[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7: Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers
Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7 Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers On 18 June 2015 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted ARIN-prop-221 Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers as a Draft Policy. Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7 is below and can be found at: https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2015_7.html You are encouraged to discuss the merits and your concerns of Draft Policy 2015-7 on the Public Policy Mailing List. The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet Number Resource Policy as stated in the PDP. Specifically, these principles are: * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration * Technically Sound * Supported by the Community The ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP) can be found at: https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at: https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html Regards, Communications and Member Services American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) ## * ## Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7 Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers Date: 23 June 2015 Problem statement: ARIN transfer policy currently inherits all its demonstrated need requirements for IPv4 transfers from NRPM sections 4. Because that section was written primarily to deal with free pool allocations, it is much more complicated than is really necessary for transfers. In practice, ARIN staff applies much more lenient needs assessment to section 8 IPv4 transfer requests than to free pool requests, as 24-month needs are much more difficult to assess to the same level of detail. This proposal seeks to dramatically simplify the needs assessment process for 8.3 transfers, while still allowing organizations with corner-case requirements to apply under existing policy if necessary. Policy statement: 8.1.x Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers IPv4 transfer recipients must demonstrate (and an officer of the requesting organization must attest) that they will use at least 50% of their aggregate IPv4 addresses (including the requested resources) on an operational network within 24 months. Organizations that do not meet the simplified criteria above may instead demonstrate the need for number resources using the criteria in section 4 of the NRPM. Comments: a. Timetable for implementation: Immediate b. Anything else ___ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7: Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers
Opposed. On 15-06-23 05:39 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: I am opposed to this proposal. It is yet another attempt to chip away at needs basis by those seeking to provide for unlimited and unrestricted transfers. The community has repeatedly indicated that the preservation of needs basis is important and virtually every proposal seeking to eliminate it has been rebuffed by the community. This proposal should, IMHO, be recognized for what it is… A clear effort to reduce the needs-basis requirements for transfers. Owen On Jun 23, 2015, at 17:31 , Scott Leibrand scottleibr...@gmail.com mailto:scottleibr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at mailto:matt...@matthew.at wrote: On 6/23/2015 1:06 PM, ARIN wrote: Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7 Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers I support this policy, but would be even happier if we simply had a trigger that said when ARIN is out of IPv4 addresses, this simplified policy replaces all other tests for IPv4 transfers and the other sections are inactive until such time as ARIN has a new large free pool of IPv4 addresses (never) The main reason we didn't write a replacement for section 4 is this: Organizations that do not meet the simplified criteria above may instead demonstrate the need for number resources using the criteria in section 4 of the NRPM. There will likely be some sections of the community who feel that their particular need for IPv4 is better met under section 4 than under this simplified policy. Rather than trying to identify every such need and write in exceptions, I felt it would be better to first allow everyone using the transfer market to opt out of section 4 entirely, and then once we have some experience with which requests actually still end up using section 4, we will have some data on which parts of it we need to keep and which can be eliminated in a simplification cleanup proposal. -Scott ___ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. ___ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. -- Catch the Magic of Linux... Michael Peddemors, President/CEO LinuxMagic Inc. Visit us at http://www.linuxmagic.com @linuxmagic A Wizard IT Company - For More Info http://www.wizard.ca LinuxMagic a Registered TradeMark of Wizard Tower TechnoServices Ltd. 604-682-0300 Beautiful British Columbia, Canada This email and any electronic data contained are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and are not intended to represent those of the company. ___ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7: Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:59 PM, Scott Leibrand scottleibr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:48 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: IPv4 transfer recipients must demonstrate (and an officer of the requesting organization must attest) that they will use at least 50% of their aggregate IPv4 addresses (including the requested resources) on an operational network within 24 months. I'm inclined to support changing the 8.3 recipient conditions consistent with this idea but it's not clear to me how this text would fit with what's already there. Currently, both 8.3 and 8.4 reference current ARIN policies for demonstrating need (The recipient must demonstrate the need for up to a 24-month supply of IP address resources under current ARIN policies). This new section 8.1.x would add a new type of policy that would allow organizations requesting simple 8.3 or 8.4 IPv4 transfers to bypass all the complexity and detailed utilization reporting requirements of NRPM section 4. Ah. In that case, I'm opposed to the policy as written. As a practical matter, the text does not sensibly fit where indicated. If placed there, it would make the surrounding policies harder, not easier, to understand. As a policy matter, I'm virulently opposed to using said criteria for out-region 8.4 transfers. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin her...@dirtside.com b...@herrin.us Owner, Dirtside Systems . Web: http://www.dirtside.com/ ___ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7: Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers
On 6/23/2015 1:06 PM, ARIN wrote: Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7 Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers I support this policy, but would be even happier if we simply had a trigger that said when ARIN is out of IPv4 addresses, this simplified policy replaces all other tests for IPv4 transfers and the other sections are inactive until such time as ARIN has a new large free pool of IPv4 addresses (never) Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at ___ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7: Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:06 PM, ARIN i...@arin.net wrote: Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7 Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7 Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers Date: 23 June 2015 Problem statement: ARIN transfer policy currently inherits all its demonstrated need requirements for IPv4 transfers from NRPM sections 4. Because that section was written primarily to deal with free pool allocations, it is much more complicated than is really necessary for transfers. In practice, ARIN staff applies much more lenient needs assessment to section 8 IPv4 transfer requests than to free pool requests, as 24-month needs are much more difficult to assess to the same level of detail. This proposal seeks to dramatically simplify the needs assessment process for 8.3 transfers, while still allowing organizations with corner-case requirements to apply under existing policy if necessary. Policy statement: 8.1.x Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers Was this intended to be 8.3.x? It doesn't make sense to me in the transfer principles section (8.1). IPv4 transfer recipients must demonstrate (and an officer of the requesting organization must attest) that they will use at least 50% of their aggregate IPv4 addresses (including the requested resources) on an operational network within 24 months. I'm inclined to support changing the 8.3 recipient conditions consistent with this idea but it's not clear to me how this text would fit with what's already there. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin her...@dirtside.com b...@herrin.us Owner, Dirtside Systems . Web: http://www.dirtside.com/ ___ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7: Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:22 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:59 PM, Scott Leibrand scottleibr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:48 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: IPv4 transfer recipients must demonstrate (and an officer of the requesting organization must attest) that they will use at least 50% of their aggregate IPv4 addresses (including the requested resources) on an operational network within 24 months. I'm inclined to support changing the 8.3 recipient conditions consistent with this idea but it's not clear to me how this text would fit with what's already there. Currently, both 8.3 and 8.4 reference current ARIN policies for demonstrating need (The recipient must demonstrate the need for up to a 24-month supply of IP address resources under current ARIN policies). This new section 8.1.x would add a new type of policy that would allow organizations requesting simple 8.3 or 8.4 IPv4 transfers to bypass all the complexity and detailed utilization reporting requirements of NRPM section 4. Ah. In that case, I'm opposed to the policy as written. As a practical matter, the text does not sensibly fit where indicated. If placed there, it would make the surrounding policies harder, not easier, to understand. Do you have any suggestions for improving clarity? As a policy matter, I'm virulently opposed to using said criteria for out-region 8.4 transfers. This would not apply to 8.4 transfers *out of* the ARIN regions, just 8.4 transfers *into* the ARIN region. ARIN does not (and would not) enforce needs assessment on 8.4 transfers to organizations in other regions: that is up to the recipient's RIR. -Scott ___ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7: Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at wrote: On 6/23/2015 1:06 PM, ARIN wrote: Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7 Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers I support this policy, but would be even happier if we simply had a trigger that said when ARIN is out of IPv4 addresses, this simplified policy replaces all other tests for IPv4 transfers and the other sections are inactive until such time as ARIN has a new large free pool of IPv4 addresses (never) The main reason we didn't write a replacement for section 4 is this: Organizations that do not meet the simplified criteria above may instead demonstrate the need for number resources using the criteria in section 4 of the NRPM. There will likely be some sections of the community who feel that their particular need for IPv4 is better met under section 4 than under this simplified policy. Rather than trying to identify every such need and write in exceptions, I felt it would be better to first allow everyone using the transfer market to opt out of section 4 entirely, and then once we have some experience with which requests actually still end up using section 4, we will have some data on which parts of it we need to keep and which can be eliminated in a simplification cleanup proposal. -Scott ___ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
