Re: [Arm-netbook] microdesktop v1.7 arrived, works fine... but...

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

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On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 10:22 PM,   wrote:
> On  Thu, 6 Apr 2017 06:12:16 +0100
> Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton  wrote:
>> ok so the story goes like this:
>>
>> back in august 2016 i got the A20 card up and running with mainline
>> 4.7rc1 (or thereabouts), including patching in NAND support for a
>> proper mtd device.  it worked... up to a point... except when u-boot
>> did a complete scan it CORRUPTED the NAND flash... just from reads.
>>
>> i figured this was "just software" as it's pretty experimental, and
>> the 3.4.104 sunxi-nand works perfectly.
>>
>> fast-foward to a few months ago, when i was testing the external
>> micro-sd slot, weirdly it resulted in a kernel segfault *from the
>> sunxi-nand driver*.  i thought, "that's weird, might be to do with
>> current-fighting from the micro-desktop PCB not having level-shifting"
>>
>> sooo... that's now fixed: the micro-sd slot works perfectly through
>> the new revision 1.7 microdesktop's level-shifting IC.  however i got
>> exactly the same kernel segfault in the sunxi-nand driver, so i
>> temporarily took it out of the kernel config, tested again, and yes,
>> the micro-sd worked fine.
>>
>> ... except that when i booted it up again, the nand flash had been
>> corrupted.  now, bear in mind there's *NO DRIVER INSTALLED*.
>>
>> this is just too weird for me to deal with.  not to mention, because
>> of the age of the A20's Boot ROM there is now a limited set of
>> "legacy" NAND ICs available i've had it with them.
>>
> 
>
> I'm sorry to hear you are having trouble.
> Personally, I like the super weird Linux problems. Can I have one of
> those malfunctioning alpha boards to try to figure out what's going on?
> I grant you that I've never worked on something quite this low level
> before, so I won't be solving it any time soon, but it would be worth
> looking into just so that we don't have this problem again (yes, I would
> like to learn how to create SBCs).

 sure - once i have working prototypes to replace it with.

l.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] About, the rk processor.

[zap]

On 04/18/2017 05:09 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
 4x faster than the fastest processor on that "x200 libreboot device I am
>>> I highly doubt it would be nearly that fast (at least for "general
>>> computing").
>> Intel is on about the same ballpark as the big arm tablet chips but they
>> can't shrink it any further. They got this low simply from node shrinks,
> I think we're talking about different things: the X200 is a laptop from
> a several years ago, so it's unaffected by Intel's current performance:
> the kinds of processors it can take has been frozen for many years
> already (and they're much more power hungry than the RK3288, AFAIK).
>
>
> Stefan "owner of a X201s which runs about 8 times faster than
> a Cubietruck when compiling Elisp code.
> I would expect the RK3288 to be maybe 4 times faster
> than the A20 on this benchmark (twice the number of
> cores and twice higher frequency), so to get to «4x
> faster» it would need another factor 8 on this
> particular test, which seems highly unlikely"

Hmm, your probably right, I since checked the speed of my processor, and
it is 2.4 per processor and its a dual core.

But, the arm processor is 1.8 per processor and its a quad core. So if I
add it together, probably it would be additional 50% faster.

and considering what you said, extremely lightweight by comparison, I am
not sure how many more time lightweight, but I assume it would be like
ten times at least if not a lot more...

Also it would be good for long term use, where as the libreboot is
probably not gonna last that long.  Everyone who replied to me probably
knows this and more probably already. But good luck reverse engineering
that. :) it will be well worth it if you succeed.


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[Arm-netbook] microdesktop v1.7 arrived, works fine... but...

[doark]

On  Thu, 6 Apr 2017 06:12:16 +0100
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton  wrote:
> ok so the story goes like this:
> 
> back in august 2016 i got the A20 card up and running with mainline
> 4.7rc1 (or thereabouts), including patching in NAND support for a
> proper mtd device.  it worked... up to a point... except when u-boot
> did a complete scan it CORRUPTED the NAND flash... just from reads.
> 
> i figured this was "just software" as it's pretty experimental, and
> the 3.4.104 sunxi-nand works perfectly.
> 
> fast-foward to a few months ago, when i was testing the external
> micro-sd slot, weirdly it resulted in a kernel segfault *from the
> sunxi-nand driver*.  i thought, "that's weird, might be to do with
> current-fighting from the micro-desktop PCB not having level-shifting"
> 
> sooo... that's now fixed: the micro-sd slot works perfectly through
> the new revision 1.7 microdesktop's level-shifting IC.  however i got
> exactly the same kernel segfault in the sunxi-nand driver, so i
> temporarily took it out of the kernel config, tested again, and yes,
> the micro-sd worked fine.
> 
> ... except that when i booted it up again, the nand flash had been
> corrupted.  now, bear in mind there's *NO DRIVER INSTALLED*.
> 
> this is just too weird for me to deal with.  not to mention, because
> of the age of the A20's Boot ROM there is now a limited set of
> "legacy" NAND ICs available i've had it with them.
> 


I'm sorry to hear you are having trouble.
Personally, I like the super weird Linux problems. Can I have one of
those malfunctioning alpha boards to try to figure out what's going on?
I grant you that I've never worked on something quite this low level
before, so I won't be solving it any time soon, but it would be worth
looking into just so that we don't have this problem again (yes, I would
like to learn how to create SBCs).

Thanks,
David

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Re: [Arm-netbook] About, the rk processor.

[Bill Kontos]

Intel is on about the same ballpark as the big arm tablet chips but they
can't shrink it any further. They got this low simply from node shrinks,
but at this point making a new core design only for the tablet market would
require very high sale volumes. And they failed to infiltrate the tablet
market so...They even canceled their atom line, only the premium Core M for
products like the 12' apple macbook, which don't seem to gather much
traction either.

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 11:41 PM, Stefan Monnier 
wrote:

> > 4x faster than the fastest processor on that "x200 libreboot device I am
>
> I highly doubt it would be nearly that fast (at least for "general
> computing").
>
>
> Stefan
>
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Re: [Arm-netbook] About, the rk processor.

[Stefan Monnier]

> 4x faster than the fastest processor on that "x200 libreboot device I am

I highly doubt it would be nearly that fast (at least for "general
computing").


Stefan


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[Arm-netbook] Fwd: Eurocircuits NEWS - Fantastic Q1-2017

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

i don't normally like/forward this kind of stuff but just as a reminder,
the shiny PCBs i did of the laptop were from this company.  the pricing for
the (very specific!) budget-end PCBs with 12mil vias, 10mil tracks and
clearance and no green colouring was really *really* low cost, for europe:
i was very surprised.

also i was extremely impressed with the online viewer / gerber checker, it
took a ton of hassle out of what would otherwise meant a manual process for
them, which more than certainly is one of the reasons why they're
affordable.

l.


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Re: [Arm-netbook] ZeroPhone

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

's'good logic allan.
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On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Allan Mwenda  wrote:
> The grandma who only reads pdfs is the best person to put on a completely
> libre device because **they won't go out of their way to lose their
> freedom** I'd get a parabola card for them ASAP.
> The computer illiterate are another good target, because ** they are willing
> to learn without bias and can be taught the value of freedom** parabola
> cards ASAP to them as well
> Then there's that guy whos knee deep in proprietary software and "can't
> switch won't switch" A fedora card is probably better for them.
>
> On 18 April 2017 10:23:16 GMT+03:00, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
>  wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 8:01 AM, John Luke Gibson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  For many individuals without a creative appealing original
>>>  introduction into computers, I believe they are deeply concerned about
>>>  being less individual for starting a road headlong into being a
>>>  computer savant and consistently running the same path as many others,
>>>  and rather believe much as you pointed out that their ignorance is a
>>>  blessing on others,
>>
>>
>>  i feel that there's a couple of helpful categories here:
>>
>>  (a) (i) people who help themselves (only) and
>>   (ii) people who help others
>>
>>  (b) (i) people who have been *trained* to *use* computers and
>>   (ii) people who are willing to apply creativity to learn how to
>>   program them.
>>
>> i'm *definitely* in category (a-ii b-ii), and am looking for people of
>> category (a-ii) to help bring together people from *all* four
>> categories.
>>
>> l.
>>
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Re: [Arm-netbook] ZeroPhone

[Allan Mwenda]

The grandma who only reads pdfs is the best person to put on a completely libre 
device because **they won't go out of their way to lose their freedom** I'd get 
a parabola card for them ASAP. 
The computer illiterate are another good target, because ** they are willing to 
learn without bias and can be taught the value of freedom** parabola cards ASAP 
to them as well
Then there's that guy whos knee deep in proprietary software and "can't switch 
won't switch" A fedora card is probably better for them. 

On 18 April 2017 10:23:16 GMT+03:00, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 
 wrote:
>On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 8:01 AM, John Luke Gibson
> wrote:
>
>> For many individuals without a creative appealing original
>> introduction into computers, I believe they are deeply concerned
>about
>> being less individual for starting a road headlong into being a
>> computer savant and consistently running the same path as many
>others,
>> and rather believe much as you pointed out that their ignorance is a
>> blessing on others,
>
> i feel that there's a couple of helpful categories here:
>
> (a) (i) people who help themselves (only) and
>  (ii) people who help others
>
> (b) (i) people who have been *trained* to *use* computers and
>  (ii) people who are willing to apply creativity to learn how to
>  program them.
>
>i'm *definitely* in category (a-ii b-ii), and am looking for people of
>category (a-ii) to help bring together people from *all* four
>categories.
>
>l.
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Re: [Arm-netbook] I saw your recent update, Luke

[Vincent Legoll]

Hello,

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
 wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 10:30 AM, John Luke Gibson  
> wrote:
>> https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/
>
>  fascinating.  bizarre but fascinating.  i seem to remember chris from
> thinkpenguin mentioned it to me (or someone did) as a potential OS to
> investigate: with four already on the list i remember thinking "ok
> that's probably enough for now".

It may have been me, I remember digging in GuixSD at that same time
as the eoma campaign was going.

>  still, might be worth investigating at some point.  it's on the GSoC
> list so clearly has a following.

I'll still be interested in this distro, when eoma ships.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] ZeroPhone

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 10:17 AM, GaCuest  wrote:

> Maybe it's easier 3 speakers, a basic speaker directly for the
> STM32F (when using only the STM32F) and two good
> speakers, connected to the CM108H, when you use the
> EOMA68 (in this case the speaker of the STM32F would not work).

 as a phone that would be... odd.

 but not totally unprecedented.  the HTC Universal had an insanely
ridiculous number of audio paths.  something like SEVEN separate
outputs and FIVE inputs - no wonder it needed not just the AK4641 but
also a separate TI audio multiplexer IC.

 because the screen was flippable there were two separate mics and
earpiece speakers, one each on each side.  then it had separate stereo
speakers built into the base.  then there was a headphone jack.  and a
car stereo mode (with a cable to plug in), *and* bluetooth.

 if the chosen EC were capable of handling I2S then it would be
reasonable to drop in something like an AK4641 or a really really
basic AC97 Audio IC, then use the USB connection between the EC and
EOMA68 to emulate USB-audio: job done.

 just doing some quick google searches "STM32F072 I2S" it appears that
some people have actually successfully done this - one person
(admittedly) with an STM32F4 not the F0.  on the chibios.com web site
someone even posted working demo code.

l.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] I saw your recent update, Luke

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 10:30 AM, John Luke Gibson  wrote:
> On 4/16/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton  wrote:
>>  so, first things, it wouldn't work (because it is necessary to ship
>> with the sunxi 3.4.104+ kernel as it is the *only* linux kernel that
>> supports the *FULL* set of hardware, and systemd is *NOT COMPATIBLE*
>
> Look what I found while investigating guixsd's development status with arm:
>
> https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/

 fascinating.  bizarre but fascinating.  i seem to remember chris from
thinkpenguin mentioned it to me (or someone did) as a potential OS to
investigate: with four already on the list i remember thinking "ok
that's probably enough for now".

 still, might be worth investigating at some point.  it's on the GSoC
list so clearly has a following.

l.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] I saw your recent update, Luke

[John Luke Gibson]

On 4/16/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton  wrote:
>  so, first things, it wouldn't work (because it is necessary to ship
> with the sunxi 3.4.104+ kernel as it is the *only* linux kernel that
> supports the *FULL* set of hardware, and systemd is *NOT COMPATIBLE*

Look what I found while investigating guixsd's development status with arm:

https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/

I couldn't find any indications of which versions of the linux kernel
it's been tested on in their mailing lists.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] ZeroPhone

[GaCuest]

El 18 de abril de 2017 a las 2:33:42, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
(l...@lkcl.net) escribió:
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> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:26 PM, GaCuest wrote:
> > El 17 de abril de 2017 a las 14:30:27, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
> > (l...@lkcl.net) escribió:
> >> > Why not use the STM32F072 for audio on the laptop?
> >>
> >> not good enough dynamic range and quality, and it is still necessary
> >> to have a amplifier. i tried doing audio on an STM32F103RBT6 - i
> >> learned that it would not be enough. i *almost* managed it though.
> >>
> >
> > Could you use one (poor quality) speaker for the STM32F and when
> > you connect an EOMA68, could you use a CM108AH with one
> > (or two) good speakers?
>
> might be a bit awkward, multiplexing the analog power-pathways (the
> CM108AH drives its outputs @ either 100mA or 500mA) but it's doable.
>
> the other alternatives are:
>
> * to add a proper I2S audio driver IC (from maxim for example).
> however as these typically include a tensilica DSP (tensilica have
> over 1 billion licensed sales of their DSPs, mostly in audio ICs)
> they're typically relatively costly.
>
> * to drive something like a CM108AH directly from the EC. this
> gets... a little hair-raising with the USB paths.
>
> * to find an alternative EC.

Maybe it's easier 3 speakers, a basic speaker directly for the
STM32F (when using only the STM32F) and two good
speakers, connected to the CM108H, when you use the
EOMA68 (in this case the speaker of the STM32F would not work).

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Re: [Arm-netbook] ZeroPhone

[John Luke Gibson]

On 4/18/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton  wrote:
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> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 8:44 AM, John Luke Gibson 
> wrote:
>
>> Also, I forgot to mention: Chris, sleep well my good fellow. Luke,
>> what are you still doing awake :P
>
>  i'm in taiwan!  it's 5pm here.
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Ah, I saw in your reply it timestamped my message as around 8 am :P

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Re: [Arm-netbook] ZeroPhone

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

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On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 8:44 AM, John Luke Gibson  wrote:

> Also, I forgot to mention: Chris, sleep well my good fellow. Luke,
> what are you still doing awake :P

 i'm in taiwan!  it's 5pm here.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] ZeroPhone

[John Luke Gibson]

I would subdivide (b-ii) into:

 (b) (ii) people who are willing to apply creativity to learn how
to program them.
  (1) people who seek out opportunities to apply
creativity to learn how to program.
  (2) people who expect to be given opportunities to apply
creativity to learn how to program.


Also, I forgot to mention: Chris, sleep well my good fellow. Luke,
what are you still doing awake :P

On 4/18/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton  wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 8:01 AM, John Luke Gibson 
> wrote:
>
>> For many individuals without a creative appealing original
>> introduction into computers, I believe they are deeply concerned about
>> being less individual for starting a road headlong into being a
>> computer savant and consistently running the same path as many others,
>> and rather believe much as you pointed out that their ignorance is a
>> blessing on others,
>
>  i feel that there's a couple of helpful categories here:
>
>  (a) (i) people who help themselves (only) and
>   (ii) people who help others
>
>  (b) (i) people who have been *trained* to *use* computers and
>   (ii) people who are willing to apply creativity to learn how to
>   program them.
>
> i'm *definitely* in category (a-ii b-ii), and am looking for people of
> category (a-ii) to help bring together people from *all* four
> categories.
>
> l.
>
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Re: [Arm-netbook] ZeroPhone

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 8:01 AM, John Luke Gibson  wrote:

> For many individuals without a creative appealing original
> introduction into computers, I believe they are deeply concerned about
> being less individual for starting a road headlong into being a
> computer savant and consistently running the same path as many others,
> and rather believe much as you pointed out that their ignorance is a
> blessing on others,

 i feel that there's a couple of helpful categories here:

 (a) (i) people who help themselves (only) and
  (ii) people who help others

 (b) (i) people who have been *trained* to *use* computers and
  (ii) people who are willing to apply creativity to learn how to
  program them.

i'm *definitely* in category (a-ii b-ii), and am looking for people of
category (a-ii) to help bring together people from *all* four
categories.

l.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] ZeroPhone

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 7:28 AM, Louis Pearson
 wrote:
> Ah, sorry, I just realized that I may have spoke in a confusing manner. :X
> SecuShare, youbroketheinternet, and gnunet are all related. From what I
> understand, SecuShare and youbroketheinternet are focused on describing
> what gnunet is intending to solve and create. Sorry if that wasn't made
> clear!

 ah ok :)  still useful.

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