Re: [Arm-netbook] pyra computer

[Jean Flamelle]

On 2/16/18, Christopher Havel  wrote:
> Well, that didn't work out. Luke, can I please ask you to hold out till
> Sunday? I have company tomorrow helping with that room and I'll be busy all
> day with that.
>
> I'm truly sorry to have to ask...

There's no rush.. Nothing said that a logo has to be decided immediately.

Luke and Ron are at conflict, because of fundamental ideals regarding
serendipitous organization. Ron is skeptical of what good authority
and one individual leading a troupe will bring the world. Luke is
impassioned to bring about destined change as quickly and forcefully
as possible. Ron is by no means an artist capable of inspiring
serendipitous organization (no offense but the title is difficult to
live up to), making the fellow very much a cynic.

Settling this one argument by desperately trying to live up to that
title, isn't going to end their standing conflict. Only bringing a
real artist who can rally real attention can undo that. I agree with
you about the two-tier logo, but it would take something really
inventive to communicate effectively the idea of a risky amateur
project across language barriers. I said once and I'll say again,
someone should invite Wenqing Yan to participate in the project.

https://www.yuumeiart.com/contact/
http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/2017-January/012740.html

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Re: [Arm-netbook] pyra computer

[Christopher Havel]

Well, that didn't work out. Luke, can I please ask you to hold out till
Sunday? I have company tomorrow helping with that room and I'll be busy all
day with that.

I'm truly sorry to have to ask...
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Re: [Arm-netbook] pyra computer

[Christopher Havel]

FYI -- mostly to Luke -- I've got a two-tier logo design drawn out on
paper, just haven't had a chance to scan it yet. I have a doc appointment
today -- gave myself a friggin limp trying to empty out that room that got
leaked in -- when I get back from the docs cussing me out, I'll try and see
if I can get my scanner to work. It's unfortunately in that problem room,
but it itself escaped water damage. I just have to run a power cord real
quick like.

That should be about 4-4:30pm Eastern US time, with results hitting this
list shortly thereafter... if I need more time, I'll let ya'll know.
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Re: [Arm-netbook] pyra computer

[Philip Hands]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018, Pen-Yuan Hsing  wrote:
> On 16/02/18 11:13, Erik Auerswald wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I did not want to enter this flame war, but I want to point out an
>> obvious misunderstanding of the involved parties:
>> 
>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 02:51:06PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>   now, it so happens in the case of HDMI that you can simply put an
>>> HDMI connector on the product what you CANNOT AND MUST NOT DO is
>>> put the *WORD* "HDMI" anywhere on your product, because that has
>>> SPECIFIC implications that the seller of that product HAS GONE THROUGH
>>> THE CERTIFICATION PROCESS.
>> 
>> Without a "product" and a "seller" there can be no infringement. A hobby
>> project can exist and be publicly discussed and documented without being
>> either a product or sold.
>> 
>> Over and out,
>> Erik
>
> I didn't want to enter this either. But I'd like to clarify that if it's 
> copyright we're talking about,

I strongly suspect that it is _not_ copyright that we're talking about.

Until Luke or someone else points at an authoritative source to show
otherwise, I would assume that he's just mixed up several of the barely
related branches of law that people unhelpfully lump together under the
"Intellectual Property" umbrella term.

Cheers, Phil.
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Re: [Arm-netbook] pyra computer

[Pen-Yuan Hsing]

On 16/02/18 11:13, Erik Auerswald wrote:

Hi,

I did not want to enter this flame war, but I want to point out an
obvious misunderstanding of the involved parties:

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 02:51:06PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:

[...]
  now, it so happens in the case of HDMI that you can simply put an
HDMI connector on the product what you CANNOT AND MUST NOT DO is
put the *WORD* "HDMI" anywhere on your product, because that has
SPECIFIC implications that the seller of that product HAS GONE THROUGH
THE CERTIFICATION PROCESS.


Without a "product" and a "seller" there can be no infringement. A hobby
project can exist and be publicly discussed and documented without being
either a product or sold.

Over and out,
Erik


I didn't want to enter this either. But I'd like to clarify that if it's 
copyright we're talking about, then having a "product" or "seller" 
doesn't matter. It's simply about the making of copies, and unlicensed 
copies are forbidden by default regardless of how the copies are used. I 
don't like it and disagree with it's whole premise (see onpon4's earlier 
comment) but that's how it works.


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Re: [Arm-netbook] pyra computer

[Erik Auerswald]

Hi,

I did not want to enter this flame war, but I want to point out an
obvious misunderstanding of the involved parties:

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 02:51:06PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> [...]
>  now, it so happens in the case of HDMI that you can simply put an
> HDMI connector on the product what you CANNOT AND MUST NOT DO is
> put the *WORD* "HDMI" anywhere on your product, because that has
> SPECIFIC implications that the seller of that product HAS GONE THROUGH
> THE CERTIFICATION PROCESS.

Without a "product" and a "seller" there can be no infringement. A hobby
project can exist and be publicly discussed and documented without being
either a product or sold.

Over and out,
Erik
-- 
Do things that have never been done before.
-- Russell Kirsch

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