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> >Fred Foldvary wrote: > > Accountants are now using imaginary numbers, > >Good heavens. How? > >-- >Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/ Well, I think Amazon.com's profits can only be expressed as the square root of -1. -JP _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
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Fred Foldvary wrote: > Accountants are now using imaginary numbers, Good heavens. How? -- Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/
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"...imaginary numbers...ARE the work of the devil." Whoah! - Speaking of accounting, here's a site with an online lecture for accountants about using Benford's law for identifying fraud: www.dartmouth.edu/~chance/ChanceLecture/AudioVideo.html While not really related to this thread, it IS pretty interesting. -jsh __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, William Dickens wrote: > Does anyone answering here know any accounting or are people just guessing? Just enter "double entry accounting" into google and you can easily find some answers. It hard for us modern people to understand, but simply accounting techniques can make a world of difference of semi-literate people like medieval Europeans. Bryan asked about negative numbers, and as any historian can tell you, it took a long time for negative numbers to become widespread. Fabio
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Chresten Anderson wrote: > > The advantage to whom? (If I may be allowed to ask a somewhat simple > question? - the accountants? The government? The owner(s)?) Directly - the owners. Of course given competition, consumers become the eventual beneficiaries. -- Prof. Bryan Caplan Department of Economics George Mason University http://www.bcaplan.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] "He lives in deadly terror of agreeing; 'Twould make him seem an ordinary being. Indeed, he's so in love with contradiction, He'll turn against his most profound conviction And with a furious eloquence deplore it, If only someone else is speaking for it." Moliere, *The Misanthrope*
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The advantage to whom? (If I may be allowed to ask a somewhat simple question? - the accountants? The government? The owner(s)?) Sincerely yours Chresten Anderson -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Pa vegne af Bryan Caplan Sendt: 27. juni 2002 19:13 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: double vs. single entry What exactly is the advantage of double-entry accounting over single-entry accounting? -- Prof. Bryan Caplan Department of Economics George Mason University http://www.bcaplan.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] "He wrote a letter, but did not post it because he felt that no one would have understood what he wanted to say, and besides it was not necessary that anyone but himself should understand it." Leo Tolstoy, *The Cossacks*
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> What's wrong with negative numbers?! > Prof. Bryan Caplan Bryan - it's not mathematical. It's book keeping. Keeping the two columns separate is simply easier for finding mistakes. With spreadsheets its easy, but if its teh 13th century and all is done by hand, then it makes a big difference. F
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After journalizing transactions, and later posting it to its ledger accounts, a worksheet is made to detect errors in computation. Such is the case when the bookkeeper forgets to maintain a double entry in all journalizing or posting, the total amount of the accounts would not be equal to zero. At 04:10 PM 6/27/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Double entry accounting recognizes that every transaction must affect at >least two different accounts. It is a mathematical consequence of the more >primal accounting identity assets=liabilities+owners' equity, or >equivalently investment=claims against investments. One of its more >attractive qualities (at least to accountants) is that it is easy to audit >and track errors. I have never heard of single entry accounting, so I don't >completely know how to answer the question as it is posed. > >As an aside, I have read that the use of debits and credits in the double >entry system was a response to the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church in >medieval times that negative numbers were instruments of the devil. With >debits and credits, a negative number is never used in double entry >accounting. (the double entry system was invented by a 14th century Italien >monk and mathematician). > >At 01:13 PM 6/27/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >What exactly is the advantage of double-entry accounting over > >single-entry accounting? > >-- > >Prof. Bryan Caplan > > Department of Economics George Mason University > >http://www.bcaplan.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > "He wrote a letter, but did not post it because he felt that no one > > would have understood what he wanted to say, and besides it was not > > necessary that anyone but himself should understand it." > > Leo Tolstoy, *The Cossacks* > > > > >Kevin D. Sachs, Ph.D. >Assistant Professor phone: 513.556.7198 >University of Cincinnatifax: 513.556.4891 >Department of Accounting/IS email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >302 Lindner Hall, P.O.Box 210211 >Cincinnati, OH 45221-0211 > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/2001
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Double entry accounting recognizes that every transaction must affect at least two different accounts. It is a mathematical consequence of the more primal accounting identity assets=liabilities+owners' equity, or equivalently investment=claims against investments. One of its more attractive qualities (at least to accountants) is that it is easy to audit and track errors. I have never heard of single entry accounting, so I don't completely know how to answer the question as it is posed. As an aside, I have read that the use of debits and credits in the double entry system was a response to the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church in medieval times that negative numbers were instruments of the devil. With debits and credits, a negative number is never used in double entry accounting. (the double entry system was invented by a 14th century Italien monk and mathematician). At 01:13 PM 6/27/2002 -0400, you wrote: >What exactly is the advantage of double-entry accounting over >single-entry accounting? >-- >Prof. Bryan Caplan > Department of Economics George Mason University >http://www.bcaplan.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "He wrote a letter, but did not post it because he felt that no one > would have understood what he wanted to say, and besides it was not > necessary that anyone but himself should understand it." > Leo Tolstoy, *The Cossacks* Kevin D. Sachs, Ph.D. Assistant Professor phone: 513.556.7198 University of Cincinnatifax: 513.556.4891 Department of Accounting/IS email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 302 Lindner Hall, P.O.Box 210211 Cincinnati, OH 45221-0211
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Does anyone answering here know any accounting or are people just guessing? I pulled out an accounting text I keep as a reference and looked up double entry and single entry and they weren't there. My understanding is that the "the invention of double entry accounting" refers to the invention of the balance sheet. My vague memory on this is that prior to that invention all people had in the way of accounting was ledgers showing transactions and rather haphazard listings of firm's assets and liabilities. If my memory serves me here the invention of the balance sheet allowed quick and easy insight into the book value of the firm which was not a well defined concept before this. Those who are familiar with accounting principles will recognize this as a big change. You could say that the invention of the balance sheet is the beginning of modern accounting. You could go further and say that there is virtually no useful accounting without the balance sheet and that nearly every other modern accounting concept (income statements and cash flow) are linked to the balance sheet. - - Bill
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fabio guillermo rojas wrote: > > Double entry means that you have one column for money going out > of an account and one column for money going into an account. Thus, > it very easy to keep track of cash inflow and outflow (just add up > the columns). With single entry, there is more error because you > mistakenly count a debit as a credit. The advantage is huge > when you have to do things by hand. It also helps you track errors > more quickly. What's wrong with negative numbers?! -- Prof. Bryan Caplan Department of Economics George Mason University http://www.bcaplan.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] "He wrote a letter, but did not post it because he felt that no one would have understood what he wanted to say, and besides it was not necessary that anyone but himself should understand it." Leo Tolstoy, *The Cossacks*
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Bryan: > What exactly is the advantage of double-entry accounting over > single-entry accounting? Two advantages come to mind: One is the automatic error prevention of having a built-in redundancy. The other is that every economic exchange by definition involves two quantities. A merchant trades silk for ducats. By making a credit to cash on hand and a debit to silk in inventory, he can keep a running account of the balances in each. All the best, Asa -- It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. -- Voltaire
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Double entry means that you have one column for money going out of an account and one column for money going into an account. Thus, it very easy to keep track of cash inflow and outflow (just add up the columns). With single entry, there is more error because you mistakenly count a debit as a credit. The advantage is huge when you have to do things by hand. It also helps you track errors more quickly. Fabio On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Bryan Caplan wrote: > What exactly is the advantage of double-entry accounting over > single-entry accounting? > -- > Prof. Bryan Caplan >Department of Economics George Mason University > http://www.bcaplan.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "He wrote a letter, but did not post it because he felt that no one >would have understood what he wanted to say, and besides it was not >necessary that anyone but himself should understand it." >Leo Tolstoy, *The Cossacks* >
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Double entry accounting makes it very difficult to hide losses and massively inflate your profits...wait, that can't be right, scratch that. I don't know. Alex -- Dr. Alexander Tabarrok Vice President and Director of Research The Independent Institute 100 Swan Way Oakland, CA, 94621-1428 Tel. 510-632-1366, FAX: 510-568-6040 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
double vs. single entry
What exactly is the advantage of double-entry accounting over single-entry accounting? -- Prof. Bryan Caplan Department of Economics George Mason University http://www.bcaplan.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] "He wrote a letter, but did not post it because he felt that no one would have understood what he wanted to say, and besides it was not necessary that anyone but himself should understand it." Leo Tolstoy, *The Cossacks*
