How do I convince New Agers that not everybody should get the same wage?

2004-01-13 Thread john hull
Since beautiful women make me stupid, and since I am a
bit curious, I have become involved in a local
currency project.

One reoccuring theme is that everybody should be paid
the same wage for their labor.  Doctor or bagboy,
judge or record store clerk, the only fair way to do
things is for everybody to get the same pay per hour.
I fail to see the wisdom in this.

The sentiment seems to revolve around social justice:
No person is worth any other, etc.

How would you suggest I argue otherwise.  One option
is to show that not everybody even values time
equally, let alone an hour of effort.  However, I'm
not familiar with the research, if any, on that, and I
get the impression that wages play a role in the
estimation of time which would make my argument
circular.

Alternatively, I could just say, Do the math, and
then say that people get paid what they bring in and
try to impress them with a little calculus.  I haven't
really thought that one through too heavily.

Another option I thought of is to compare Spongebob
Squarepants with Squidward Tentacles--the uberfry-cook
vs. the surly cashier--to show how Spongebob adds
armloads of revenue, whereas Squidward produces only
minimally.  Then I'd try to explain why it is fair for
Spongebob to be paid more.  I'm sure this will
backfire when someone points out some plot device from
some episode that will derail the whole affair.

What would you suggest?  How can I demonstrate, in a
relatively short period of time, that imposing equal
wages isn't the best way to organize the world?

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Three Fed tools, which increases money supply over time?

2004-01-13 Thread john hull
I have blanked and I cannot shake it.  My apologies
for what seems a bonehead question.  (Certainly not my
first.)  Old textbooks aren't helping me, either.

There are three money supply tools used by the Fed.
It can buy  sell bonds, it can change the reserve
requirement, or it can change the interest rate it
charges banks on overnight loans, right?

If the money supply is increasing over time, then it
can't be because of the second two, since they can
only go so low.  Is it the first that causes money
supply to grow at x% per year?  How does this happen?

Losing my mind,
jsh

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Re: How do I convince New Agers that not everybody should get the same wage?

2004-01-13 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 1/13/04 4:08:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

What would you suggest?  How can I demonstrate, in a
relatively short period of time, that imposing equal
wages isn't the best way to organize the world?

I used to do this all the time with my students in history classes at Iowa.
I'd ask them if they really thought a ditch digger without a high school
diploma should make as much as a doctor, a veterinarian, a lawyer, or someone else
with at least two degrees, or I'd  just ask them if they thought that after
they graduate and get a job with their degree if they thought they should get
paid as little as a ditch digger.  I've yet to hear students say yes to either
of those propositions.

David Levenstam


Re: How do I convince New Agers that not everybody should get the same wage?

2004-01-13 Thread Dimitriy V. Masterov
One line of reasoning is that people are simply different and these
differences are important economically. Some people are simply better at
doing certain things than others. For instance, Michael Jordan is a much
better ball player than I am, and the public is willing to pay him a lot
more than me to play ball. Michael Jordan is in some sense scarce, which
is what makes his playing valuable in an economic sense. Not a lot of
people have the ability to be excellent basketball players, but a lot of
people have the ability to be excellent plumbers. This is also why
diamonds cost more than pebbles. Note that this does not say anything
about MJ's worth as person, or his equality before the law, and so on.

The more important question, I think, is the source of the differences in
people. To become a doctor, you need to spend a lot of time, money and
effort. Most doctors I knew planned to be doctors when they were children,
and they made many sacrifices to accomplish that goal. They spent Saturday
nights studying when the rest of us were drinking beers. They were
working at the lab while the rest of us were taking the literature class.
Simply put, very few people would make the necessary investment to become
doctors if they were not compensated for it at the end. In any case, even
if the final wage-career distribution is mostly a matter of luck rather
than deliberate choices about education, it is unclear whether equalizing
wages is going to be a more fair arrangement. First, it's impossible to
speak about fairness in a system when outcomes are determined by chance
(at least as long as you admit that people have different abilities).
It may be likely that the rich are paid more than they deserve and the
poor less, but it is equally likely that the rich paid less than they
deserve and the poor more. This is a more nuanced philosophical point, and
much more open to debate.

Finally, I am not sure why anyone would object to inequality it itself.
Consider this scenario. You're at the bar with your buddies, and Bill
Gates walks in through the door. Obviously the distribution of wealth has
become more unequal. But do you really feel worse off?

Dimitriy V. Masterov


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2004-01-13 Thread Fred Foldvary


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