date:20050727


The report on GUJARAT  WATER LOGGING and its effects is  appalling. Tragic!

That brings to the fore-front the planning 
abilities ( or, more precisely, the lack thereof) 
of the 'world-class' engineers, who planned these 
highways, railroads and canals. Goes to prove, 
once again, that the ability to do great math 
does not necessarily mean an availability of 
common-sense or an ability to apply it to solve 
problems. Or were the engineering/planning 
decisions made by the politicians and 
bureaucrats, over-ruling the professional 
engineers? Or did the engineers willingly gave 
into the demands of their political bosses, 
throwing professional ethics into the wind in 
furtherance of their careers?


Is there any accountability here? Who were/are 
responsible? How will they be brought to account 
for their promises, and actions, leading to what 
has happened, and will continue to happen? Is 
there any reliable mechanism for it, that has 
been proven to be effective in the past? Or is it 
merely another case of, 'too bad'!


One would hope the people would not forget: The 
PROMISES and ASSURANCES of these
word class engineers, walking-encyclopedia 
bureaucrats and politicians and lawmakers of the 
world's 'greatest democracy', and learn to rely 
on their common-sense.


Many thanks to Mr. Rath for sharing the 
information, which is not widely available in the 
'free-press', keeping watch over democratic 
processes.


Chandan Mahanta











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   Date: 23 Jul 2005 07:22:40 -

   From: DN Rath [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: GUJARAT  WATER LOGGING   A CASE OF DEVELOPMENT MINUS HUMAN FACE

  
GUJARAT  WATER LOGGING

 A CASE OF DEVELOPMENT MINUS HUMAN FACE
The water has started receding in the water logged flooded areas of the
State. Now the horrible picture of the villages is nakedly visible. There
are dead bodies of the cattle, collapsed and damaged houses and the washed
away roads, which were not visible due to water.  The real threat of
epidemic is on card.There are areas, which are yet not accessible.
This natural catastrophe has brought the people together. There is a unique
camaraderie. The Govt. and its administration are in total doldrums. They
are clueless. There is a proverb 'empty vessel sounds more'. This is the
state of affair of the Government. and its administration. As usual it is
busy in Govt. GRs, paper works, media briefings, VIP's visit, holding
videoconferences with Multi-Media savvy Chief minister etc. People have
totally, lost faith in the administration. Under these circumstances the
small efforts by the people, their self-initiative and the humanitarian
attitude is helping the people in distress. This was the case during the
killer Earthquake. The Government of Gujarat is exploiting this very
humanitarian spirit of the people to cover-up its non-functionality.
Water Logging - Cause of the Flood
The recent flood is the outcome of the unprecedented water logging. The
water logging has been due to the serious unplanned, erratic developments
with least concern for environment, ecology and people. A close nexus of
Builder lobby- industrialists-NRI-share holders-MNCs-kulaks- Government and
the bureaucracy has prompted so called development minus the HUMAN FACE.
Moreover the market economy has further sidelined the people. There was no
rain in the upper basin. The water logging through out the State without the
threat of flood or overflowing of water in the rivers and is a revelation
for the planners of our country and the State. The People have realized that
the flood has been caused due to water loggings. This water logging has been
due to wrong town planning, wrong construction of EXPRESS HIGH WAY No. 1
between Ahmedabad- Baroda. This Express High Way divides the green
pastureland without any out let for the flow of water. This caused the water
logging both the side of the Express High Way and marooned the villages
between Express Highway and the National High Way.
The Narmada Canals construction is also so constructed that the rainwater
cannot be released into  the canals. Rather the network Narmada Canals have
created water logging too. The breaches on the road, big holes expose the
level of corruptions.
The meter gauge railway line has been converted to Broad gauze from
Surendranagar to Bhavnagar of Saurashtra region. The old meter gauge has the
scope of outlet for water drainage. However, the

[Assam] Re: Truth?? police encounter shooting in UK metro

The difference between the Indian Army and British Bobby is -- the
Indian Army do it all the time in a callous, calculative and well
planned manner. Whereas the police officer in London had to do it in
split seconds.

In my last post I mentioned how wrong Umesh (while supporting your
case) was in comparing the Manorama situation and the British police
action. I mentioned Bobby had to make a slit-second decision, while
the Manorama case was one where a few Assam Rifles jawans committed a
crime.

Now, above here you have with one sweep made the Indian Army look like
they are a vicious group of thugs. The Assam Rifles is NOT the Indian
Army, and if we have to compare then either compare the British Army
to the Indian Army or Bobby to our 'thula'

In spite of certain incidents, the Indian Army, one of the largest in
the world is a very diciplined, and efficient set.

Can you cite some examples, since you say they do it all the time, 
where you have found the Indian Army to have planned to rape and
plunder anyone?

The Indian Army, like the British or even the Pakistani Army, is
steeped in tradition, extremely diciplined, with a very efficient code
of conduct, courts of Military Justice etc. It is NOT some rag-tag
bunch of idiots running around the country.

--Ram




On 7/27/05, Rini Kakati [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 The difference between the Indian Army and British Bobby is -- the Indian
 Army do it all the time in a callous, calculative and well planned manner.
 Whereas the police officer in London had to do it in split seconds.
  
 This morning when I walk past the high street I saw few people waving
 placards reading Racist killers, No shoot to kill. In my mind to say how
 lucky you guys are ! -- you are not one of those innocents killed in 7 July.
 But none of these idealistic protesters have put themselves in the shoe of
 the undoubtedly courageous police officers who are struggling to protect
 Britain from the  ever -- burgeoning threat of terrorism.
  
 It was human error and we all do it. But the difference in other
 professions, can apologise for their mistakes and move on. It is never that
 simple for a police officer on what is rapidly becoming the war-style front
 line of crime fighting in Britain.
  
 If the Brazilian had been a suicide bomber, shouting to injure would'nt have
 prevented him from detonating a bomb. If it is my son I'd be shouting and
 screaming and demanding a full explanation into how this terrible mistake
 robbed an innocent man of his life. Looking at it objectively, what is the
 alternative ?.
  
 This is a terrible tragic mistake and no one wishes to distract from the
 grief suffered by Jean Charles de Menzes' family. But if this country and
 everyday commuter like myself is going to stand a chance of beating
 terrorism then Sir Ian Blair (Met Commissioner) is right to say the
 shoot-to-kill policy stays in place.
  
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[Assam] Ulfa drops pre-conditions - Sentinel

If this news item is true, that would be a complete turn-around for ULFA.

ULFA for talks sans condition: Centre

NEW DELHI, July 26 (PTI): The Centre today announced in Lok Sabha that
it had received appeals for peace talks from United Liberation Front
of Assam (ULFA) which indicate willingness of the insurgent outfit to
hold a dialogue without pre-conditions.

This was announced by Minister of State for Home S Reghupathy in reply
to question raised by some MPs, including Vijay Kumar Malhotra of BJP.

The Government has received appeals for peace talks from ULFA and
these reflect willingness of the outfit to hold talks with the
Government without any pre-conditions and also specifically referred
to their 'core demand' of sovereignty, Reghupathy said.

In the Government's reply, it was emphasised that the Centre had
consistently expressed its willingness to talk to all groups who were
prepared to abjure the path of violence.

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Re: [Assam] Ulfa drops pre-conditions - Sentinel


 The Government has received appeals for peace talks from ULFA and
these reflect willingness of the outfit to hold talks with the
Government without any pre-conditions and also specifically referred
to their 'core demand' of sovereignty, Reghupathy said.




 Huh? What does this mean?



 In the Government's reply, it was emphasised that the Centre had
consistently expressed its willingness to talk to all groups who were
prepared to abjure the path of violence.




 More Huh?










At 8:20 AM -0500 7/27/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

If this news item is true, that would be a complete turn-around for ULFA.

ULFA for talks sans condition: Centre

NEW DELHI, July 26 (PTI): The Centre today announced in Lok Sabha that
it had received appeals for peace talks from United Liberation Front
of Assam (ULFA) which indicate willingness of the insurgent outfit to
hold a dialogue without pre-conditions.

This was announced by Minister of State for Home S Reghupathy in reply
to question raised by some MPs, including Vijay Kumar Malhotra of BJP.

The Government has received appeals for peace talks from ULFA and
these reflect willingness of the outfit to hold talks with the
Government without any pre-conditions and also specifically referred
to their 'core demand' of sovereignty, Reghupathy said.

In the Government's reply, it was emphasised that the Centre had
consistently expressed its willingness to talk to all groups who were
prepared to abjure the path of violence.

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Re: [Assam] Ulfa drops pre-conditions - Sentinel

I agree, its not crystal clear from the Sentinel report.

But the first paragraph quoted from what Reghupathy said seems to be
clear enough. It looks like the ULFA has made some overtures to the
GOI, and probably has withdrawn pre-conditions, including sovereignty.

Now, I guess we will have to wait till what the ULFA has to say about
this. Obviously, this is only the GOI statement.

--Ram

On 7/27/05, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   The Government has received appeals for peace talks from ULFA and
 these reflect willingness of the outfit to hold talks with the
 Government without any pre-conditions and also specifically referred
 to their 'core demand' of sovereignty, Reghupathy said.
 
 
 
  Huh? What does this mean?
 
 
   In the Government's reply, it was emphasised that the Centre had
 consistently expressed its willingness to talk to all groups who were
 prepared to abjure the path of violence.
 
 
 
  More Huh?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 At 8:20 AM -0500 7/27/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
 If this news item is true, that would be a complete turn-around for ULFA.
 
 ULFA for talks sans condition: Centre
 
 NEW DELHI, July 26 (PTI): The Centre today announced in Lok Sabha that
 it had received appeals for peace talks from United Liberation Front
 of Assam (ULFA) which indicate willingness of the insurgent outfit to
 hold a dialogue without pre-conditions.
 
 This was announced by Minister of State for Home S Reghupathy in reply
 to question raised by some MPs, including Vijay Kumar Malhotra of BJP.
 
 The Government has received appeals for peace talks from ULFA and
 these reflect willingness of the outfit to hold talks with the
 Government without any pre-conditions and also specifically referred
 to their 'core demand' of sovereignty, Reghupathy said.
 
 In the Government's reply, it was emphasised that the Centre had
 consistently expressed its willingness to talk to all groups who were
 prepared to abjure the path of violence.
 
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[Assam] Questions in Parliament

2005-07-27 Thread Ganesh C Bora

Lately we have seen questions raised in Parliament
about Assam by BJP members! ULFA or IMDT. I am sure it
is their election ploy! But what about AGP (not to
talk about Congress MPs from Assam)! I understand that
Congress MPs needs permission from Sonia Gandhi to
talk about Assam's development, but that is not the
case with AGP members!

Ganesh




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Re: [Assam] Ulfa drops pre-conditions - Sentinel


At 9:08 AM -0500 7/27/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

I agree, its not crystal clear from the Sentinel report.



*** No need to put such pressures as expecting 'crystal-clear' 
communications. How about the garden variety clarity, like 
Geleki-Ganga water perhaps :-)?


I tell you Ram, this phoren-language thingie is killing us. I heard 
the Sentinel is very picky about its language. So it must be the MHA 
handouts that the paper is doling out, with nary a concern as to what 
it means or does not. Mr. Reghupaty's communications does disservice 
to his anglicized surname.


Anyway, what do you make of the lead report in: http://www.janasadharan.com/ ?
Do these all jive? Is there a method to the madness that seems to reign?

c-da








But the first paragraph quoted from what Reghupathy said seems to be
clear enough. It looks like the ULFA has made some overtures to the
GOI, and probably has withdrawn pre-conditions, including sovereignty.

Now, I guess we will have to wait till what the ULFA has to say about
this. Obviously, this is only the GOI statement.

--Ram

On 7/27/05, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   The Government has received appeals for peace talks from ULFA and
 these reflect willingness of the outfit to hold talks with the
 Government without any pre-conditions and also specifically referred
 to their 'core demand' of sovereignty, Reghupathy said.



  Huh? What does this mean?


   In the Government's reply, it was emphasised that the Centre had
 consistently expressed its willingness to talk to all groups who were
 prepared to abjure the path of violence.



  More Huh?










 At 8:20 AM -0500 7/27/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
 If this news item is true, that would be a complete turn-around for ULFA.
 
 ULFA for talks sans condition: Centre
 
 NEW DELHI, July 26 (PTI): The Centre today announced in Lok Sabha that
 it had received appeals for peace talks from United Liberation Front
 of Assam (ULFA) which indicate willingness of the insurgent outfit to
 hold a dialogue without pre-conditions.
 
 This was announced by Minister of State for Home S Reghupathy in reply
 to question raised by some MPs, including Vijay Kumar Malhotra of BJP.
 
 The Government has received appeals for peace talks from ULFA and
 these reflect willingness of the outfit to hold talks with the
 Government without any pre-conditions and also specifically referred
 to their 'core demand' of sovereignty, Reghupathy said.
 
 In the Government's reply, it was emphasised that the Centre had
 consistently expressed its willingness to talk to all groups who were
 prepared to abjure the path of violence.
 
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Re: [Assam] Questions in Parliament

2005-07-27 Thread BBaruah





Bora Saheb

So far as questions are concerned, 
the MPs submit their questions in writing to the Secretariat of 
Parliament and the Secretariat 
forwards them to the executive government. The officials prepare the 
replies and the Ministers concerned reply them on the floor. The questions are 
classified as starred and unstarred. Unstarred questions are printed and 
circulated amongst the members but the Ministers reply to the starred questions 
in the House. Members can put supplementary questions to both starred and 
unstarred questions. Because of the formidable number of questions put by MPs 
only a fraction of these questions can be taken up. There is no party division 
in this matter. There is no scope for Sonia to butt in either even if the member 
happens to be a Congressman and 
ignores a party line.

The Speaker of the House is responsible for the conduct of the business 
of the house and he rations the time allotted for debate on any issue. MPs can 
take part in these debates in various ways. Outwardly there are no restrictions 
of any kind; a resourceful member can always catch the Hon’ble Speaker’s 
attention to any point he wants to make. The control within the party is 
internal so far as controversial issues are concerned. The Party Whips come to 
play their part in various ways. Sonia who is now the leader of the Congress 
Parliamentary Party would necessarily command a lot of authority over individual 
members.
Bhuban
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Re: [Assam] Re: Truth?? police encounter shooting in UK metro

2005-07-27 Thread Rajib Das

Is that all true? I mean about the comparison between
the bobby and the thulla? I agree with you on the
decision to put those 8 (wasn't 1 enough?) bullets
through the head of a guy running away despite police
entreaties and that too with a long coat on.

But c'mon - the bobby has had only the first case of
bombing from the mullahs. The Indian army has had it
happening for sometime now. One hit and the Muslim
community has threats, graffiti, mosque burning and
what not coming in from the general populace. What
happens when that happens on a fairly regular basis
-let's say once every month or so for the next 10
years? I am sure they will be butchered way before
that.

Let's not give the bobby too much credit - wasn't his
ancestor responsible for Jallian Wala Bagh? Wasn't
British policy one of absolute passivity all these
years - give all these Jihadists that create trouble
all over the world shelter. Till they come home to
roost.

Finally, when the very same guys (idealogicially
speaking) did the Bombay blasts not too long back (and
there were 500 killed, not 50) - the British
government (or was it the EU) that had the gall to
call upon India to solve Kashmir to prevent these
killings.

We need the bobby to be putting in those bullets. We
also need the protestors to be keeping them on the
edge. Hopefully therein they would find a balance over
the long term term.


--- Rini Kakati [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


-
The difference between the Indian Army and British
Bobby is -- the Indian Army do it all the time in a
callous, calculative and well planned manner. Whereas
the police officer in London had to do it in split
seconds.
 
This morning when I walk past the high street I saw
few people waving placards reading Racist killers,
No shoot to kill. In my mind to say how lucky you
guys are ! -- you are not one of those innocents
killed in 7 July. But none of these idealistic
protesters have put themselves in the shoe of the
undoubtedly courageous police officers who are
struggling to protect Britain from the  ever --
burgeoning threat of terrorism.
 
It was human error and we all do it. But the
difference in other professions, can apologise for
their mistakes and move on. It is never that simple
for a police officer on what is rapidly becoming the
war-style front line of crime fighting in Britain.
 
If the Brazilian had been a suicide bomber, shouting
to injure would'nt have prevented him from detonating
a bomb. If it is my son I'd be shouting and screaming
and demanding a full explanation into how this
terrible mistake robbed an innocent man of his life.
Looking at it objectively, what is the alternative ?.
 
This is a terrible tragic mistake and no one wishes to
distract from the grief suffered by Jean Charles de
Menzes' family. But if this country and everyday
commuter like myself is going to stand a chance of
beating terrorism then Sir Ian Blair (Met
Commissioner) is right to say the shoot-to-kill
policy stays in place.
 
Rini Kakati 



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Re: [Assam] Re: Truth?? police encounter shooting in UK metro

Rajib-da wrote:

We need the bobby to be putting in those bullets. Wealso need the protestors to be keeping them on theedge. Hopefully therein they would find a balance overthe long term term.

That seems quite a balanced view.

UmeshRajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is that all true? I mean about the comparison betweenthe bobby and the thulla? I agree with you on thedecision to put those 8 (wasn't 1 enough?) bulletsthrough the head of a guy running away despite policeentreaties and that too with a long coat on.But c'mon - the bobby has had only the first case ofbombing from the mullahs. The Indian army has had ithappening for sometime now. One hit and the Muslimcommunity has threats, graffiti, mosque burning andwhat not coming in from the general populace. Whathappens when that happens on a fairly regular basis-let's say once every month or so for the next 10years? I am sure they will be butchered way beforethat.Let's not give the bobby too much credit - wasn't hisancestor responsible for Jallian Wala Bagh? Wasn'tBritish policy one of absolute passivity all these!
years -
give all these Jihadists that create troubleall over the world shelter. Till they come home toroost.Finally, when the very same guys (idealogiciallyspeaking) did the Bombay blasts not too long back (andthere were 500 killed, not 50) - the Britishgovernment (or was it the EU) that had the gall tocall upon India to solve Kashmir to prevent thesekillings.We need the bobby to be putting in those bullets. Wealso need the protestors to be keeping them on theedge. Hopefully therein they would find a balance overthe long term term.--- Rini Kakati <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:-The difference between the Indian Army and BritishBobby is -- the Indian Army do it all the time in acallous, calculative and well planned manner. Whereasthe police officer in London had to do it in splitseconds.This morning when I walk past the high street I sawfew p!
eople
waving placards reading "Racist killers","No shoot to kill". In my mind to say how lucky youguys are ! -- you are not one of those innocentskilled in 7 July. But none of these idealisticprotesters have put themselves in the shoe of theundoubtedly courageous police officers who arestruggling to protect Britain from the ever --burgeoning threat of terrorism.It was human error and we all do it. But thedifference in other professions, can apologise fortheir mistakes and move on. It is never that simplefor a police officer on what is rapidly becoming thewar-style front line of crime fighting in Britain.If the Brazilian had been a suicide bomber, shoutingto injure would'nt have prevented him from detonatinga bomb. If it is my son I'd be shouting and screamingand demanding a full explanation into how thisterrible mistake robbed an innocent man of his life.Looking at it objectively, what is the alternat!
ive
?.This is a terrible tragic mistake and no one wishes todistract from the grief suffered by Jean Charles deMenzes' family. But if this country and everydaycommuter like myself is going to stand a chance ofbeating terrorism then Sir Ian Blair (MetCommissioner) is right to say the "shoot-to-kill"policy stays in place.Rini Kakati -Winks nudges are here - Download MSN Messenger 7.0today! ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam p!
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Re: [Assam] Re: Truth?? police encounter shooting in UK metro

I mean about the comparison between
the bobby and the thulla?

I was only trying to separate the military from the policy. If one has
to compare, then they should compare the British constabulary with the
Indian police, and the British Military with the Indian Military.

 Let's not give the bobby too much credit - wasn't his
 ancestor responsible for Jallian Wala Bagh?

That was the British Army, under Gen. Dyer

But, I agree with your other points on British policy.



On 7/27/05, Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is that all true? I mean about the comparison between
 the bobby and the thulla? I agree with you on the
 decision to put those 8 (wasn't 1 enough?) bullets
 through the head of a guy running away despite police
 entreaties and that too with a long coat on.
 
 But c'mon - the bobby has had only the first case of
 bombing from the mullahs. The Indian army has had it
 happening for sometime now. One hit and the Muslim
 community has threats, graffiti, mosque burning and
 what not coming in from the general populace. What
 happens when that happens on a fairly regular basis
 -let's say once every month or so for the next 10
 years? I am sure they will be butchered way before
 that.
 
 Let's not give the bobby too much credit - wasn't his
 ancestor responsible for Jallian Wala Bagh? Wasn't
 British policy one of absolute passivity all these
 years - give all these Jihadists that create trouble
 all over the world shelter. Till they come home to
 roost.
 
 Finally, when the very same guys (idealogicially
 speaking) did the Bombay blasts not too long back (and
 there were 500 killed, not 50) - the British
 government (or was it the EU) that had the gall to
 call upon India to solve Kashmir to prevent these
 killings.
 
 We need the bobby to be putting in those bullets. We
 also need the protestors to be keeping them on the
 edge. Hopefully therein they would find a balance over
 the long term term.
 
 
 --- Rini Kakati [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
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 The difference between the Indian Army and British
 Bobby is -- the Indian Army do it all the time in a
 callous, calculative and well planned manner. Whereas
 the police officer in London had to do it in split
 seconds.
 
 This morning when I walk past the high street I saw
 few people waving placards reading Racist killers,
 No shoot to kill. In my mind to say how lucky you
 guys are ! -- you are not one of those innocents
 killed in 7 July. But none of these idealistic
 protesters have put themselves in the shoe of the
 undoubtedly courageous police officers who are
 struggling to protect Britain from the  ever --
 burgeoning threat of terrorism.
 
 It was human error and we all do it. But the
 difference in other professions, can apologise for
 their mistakes and move on. It is never that simple
 for a police officer on what is rapidly becoming the
 war-style front line of crime fighting in Britain.
 
 If the Brazilian had been a suicide bomber, shouting
 to injure would'nt have prevented him from detonating
 a bomb. If it is my son I'd be shouting and screaming
 and demanding a full explanation into how this
 terrible mistake robbed an innocent man of his life.
 Looking at it objectively, what is the alternative ?.
 
 This is a terrible tragic mistake and no one wishes to
 distract from the grief suffered by Jean Charles de
 Menzes' family. But if this country and everyday
 commuter like myself is going to stand a chance of
 beating terrorism then Sir Ian Blair (Met
 Commissioner) is right to say the shoot-to-kill
 policy stays in place.
 
 Rini Kakati
 
 
 
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[Assam] Illegal influx biggest threat to nation: Advani

Advani was NOT an immigrant - since he came from Lahore in India to Delhi in India - in 1947 - before India's Partition and Pakistan's creation.

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Illegal influx biggest threat to nation: Advani
www.assamtribune.comNEW DELHI, July 26 Asserting that illegal immigration was the biggest threat to national security, Opposition today made a scathing attack in the Lok Sabha on the Congress-led coalition charging it with attempting to bring IMDT Act in a different form to perpetuate its votebank politics, reports PTI. Initiating a discussion on an adjournment motion on the issue of infiltration from Bangladesh in eastern parts of the country, leader of the Opposition L K Advani said the votebank politics had become biggest disaster for the country. This is the first adjournment motion in the Lok Sabha since the Congress-led UPA came to power 14 months back. Noting that the continued aggression from Bangladesh had been on for several years since independence, Advani hailed as historic the Supreme Court judgment striking down the controversial Act which had been in force since 198!
3. He
said it was a victory for people of Assam. He said the late Indrajit Gupta, who was the Home Minister in the United Front Government in 1996-98, had told Parliament that there were one crore people from Bangladesh residing illegally in India. He said the magnitude of the problem could have grown much more in the last eight years. Advani demanded that Government should accept the apex court judgement and implement it in letter and spirit. The BJP chief said the fact that a Group of Ministers was set up by the Centre make the people of Assam suspect that the Congress was trying to bring some other version of IMDT Act through the backdoor. I will like to caution this government against any such move.Quoting extensively from the Supreme Court judgment, Advani said the presence of such a large number of illegal migrants from Bangladesh, which runs into millions, is in fact an aggression on the state of Assam. The apex court, he s!
aid, held
that by persisting with this discriminatory law the Government of India has failed to discharge its duty to protect the State from external aggression and internal disturbance. Advani also quoted from a speech made by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh when he was Leader of the Opposition in the Rajya Sabha in which he had expressed concern over the infiltration. Rebutting Advanis contentions, Leader of the House Pranab Mukherjee asserted that the gross misuse of the Foreigners Act had led to enactment of the IMDT Act. He said the cut-off date of March 25, 1971, was decided after an agreement between then Bangladesh President Mujibur Rahman and then Prime Minister Indira Gandhi. Quoting figures, Mukherjee pointed out that out of 3.68 lakh cases handled by IMDT tribunals, only over 11,000 persons were detected as foreigners and deported. The tribunals under the Foreigners Act had dealt with over 5.17 lakh cases and declared about 28,000 as for!
eigners.
He said the tribunals under the IMDT could not function properly due to lack of infrastructure. Reacting to BJP charge that Congress was interested in having the IMDT Act to garner minority votes, Mukherjee said his party was not in power for long time in Assam as well as at the Centre, indicating why those in power like the Asom Gana Parishad in the state and BJP at the Centre did not do away with the law. Let us not do politics on this issue. Participating in the discussion, Dr Arun Sarma (AGP) said that India is the only country in the world without an NRC. He demanded that the NRC of 1951 should be updated and the Assam Accord should be implemented immediately. He demanded that there should not be any dilution of the Supreme Court verdict and it should be implemented immediately.Anowar Hussain (Cong) said that the minorities were apprehensive after the scrapping of the IMDT Act. He also demanded that the Foreigners Act should be amended.
However, at the same time, he called for updating of the NRC.Narayan Borkotoky (BJP) said that the Assamese people have become minorities in their own land because of unabated infiltration of foreigners. He also called for updating the NRC immediately.Kirip Chaliha (Cong) admitted that infiltration of foreigners has become a cause of concern not only for the North eastern region but for the entire country.
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Re: [Assam] Difference between a baptist and a catholic

Dilip-da,

Heh heh. I'm sure you would find similar differences between Shias and Sunnis, between Sufi and Ahmadiyas in Muslims, between Shaivas and Vaishnavs in Hinduism, between Dvaita and Advaita believers in Hindusim, between HinYaana and MahaYaana followers in Buddhism, between Digambars and Shwetambars in Jains etc.

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A young boy was walking down a dirt road after church one Sundayafternoon when he came to a crossroads where he met a little girl comingfrom the other direction.-"Hello," said the little boy."Hi," replied the little girl."Where are you going?" asked the boy."I've been to church this morning and I'm on my way home," answered thegirl. "Me too," replied the little boy. "I'm also on my way home fromchurch."-"Which church do you go to?" asked the boy."I go to the Baptist church back down the road," replied the littlegirl. "What about you?" "I go to the Catholic church back at the top ofthe hill," replied the boy. They are both going the same way so theywalk together.-They came to a low spot in the road where spring rains had partiallyflooded the road so there was no way that they could get across to theother side without getting wet.-"If I get my new Sunday !
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[Assam] terrorist = East India Company/WALMART - MNCs - CAFTA, DemonCrats in US???

Hi,

I was up till 3 am last night - listening to Tony Blair and Democrats and Republicans on C-Span channel .

Blair spoke on terrorists desire to create fight between Islam and other faiths. He overlooked the fact that ALL religions desire to create rift -- be it erstwhile Crusaders at behest of Pope -- or current evangelists in Nagaland or elsewhere ( www.persecution.net ) eager to spread their faith come what may or among Hindus ( www.hinduunity.org ) etc.

Maybe it is God's will to remind Her/His/Its presence - since in good times noone remembers God.

Before that US elected representatives to Capitol Hill - mostly Democrats spoke against Free Trade with Central American countires - in the recent Bill on CAFTA http://www3.capwiz.com/c-span/issues/bills/?billtype=H.R.billnumb=3045congress=109

For the first time I was seeing - LIVE - what Americans really think about globalization. They were all standing with Capitol Hill in the back ground. All were very confidently saying that a Free Trade Area would be unacceptable to ALL AMericans in US. Even the Latinos were lamenting the fact that after NAFTA - with Mexico -- about 1400 jobs moved south of the border to Mexico.

Someone quoted a Nobel Laureate Economist Samuelson (?) that outsourcing was not part of Adam Smith's model of economics and of the Theory of Comparative Advantage.
Maybe it wasn't. Maybe InterNet and globalization also weren't in the picture 200 years ago.

Someone said that women in Central American countires have to sleep in the crates of bananas - where they load them to send to US. I wonder when these Demo(n)crat senators would learn to have empathy for poor in such countries. A poor person is not be allowed to work hard and suffer today to succeed tomorrow. Abraham Lincoln would have cried to hear their double speak.

On the other hand, what is the need to open the economies - when the trade still remians unequal. When in US milk sells for $1.40 per liter(INRupee 70) about 5 times that in India - same for bananas etc -- and is supported by US tax money - for US farmers. How can any developing country farmer survive when US is the greatest rice exporter in the world - supported by subsidies.

East India Company was the first MNC in the World - which came from Britain to India in 1700s to buy spice and later to sell cloth - and ended up ruling the country.

MNCs don't help improve a country's technological development - and independence for the following reasons:
http://personal.ashland.edu/~jgarcia/multinationalenterprise.html
Majority of ownership (by shareholders) of subsidiary are owned by parent company, therefore, residents dont have control over operations of company within borders. 3. Key managerial and technical positions are held by expatriates, as a result, they do not contribute in the learning by doing process of host country.6. Concentration of research and development in home country.9. Earn excessive profits and fees due to their goals, particularly monopoly power. 10. Dominate major industrial sector. 11. Tend to be more accountable to home country.13. Create alliances with corrupt host country elites. 14. They recruit best personnel and managers from host at the expense of local entrepreneurs.17. Disregard culture and social impact
--

For this reason General Motors makes cars in India but does not train Indians to make tanks or Lockheed help Indians train in Aeroplane engines of fighter planes or missiles - -- they do not have the "security clearance" -- so that ALL cutting edge tech is still in the hands of US MNCs. ALL major research work in telecom or bio tech or anything remotely linked to hi-tech and hence having use for military supremacy --- is never going to come to developing countires.

For this reason -- ALL developing countries agree to WTO and IMF rules - to open their markets -- and also agree that US or other Western nations need not open their economies.
Hey little brother - don't you need the toys to protect yourself from the global terrorists - who now can get all this stuff illegally. Govts have to purchase this stuff legally from developed nations.

Safety and security reign supreme. To protect our citizens we would not mind unequal trade favoring the West!!!

I think this logic is easily acceptable by politicians of all ilks in India and entire Third world.
Otherwise who needs Sheraton Hotels in Jaipur or Mercedes cars in Indian villages or Monsanto seeds in Bihar or Wal Mart in Delhi or Wall Street Journal or Cosmopolitan in India.
But if you want our F-16s or Mirage planes- you must accept our terms and accept these companies. Ofcourse we would also sell our riceto you also - grown on US taxpayers's money!! -- to make farmers commit suicide in India - who have nothing left to do.

Ofocurse there are very good reasons for global business - such as the service sector . Indian post offices and banks have improved improved no end after Western ones came in.
But India

[Assam] News From ToI

Looks like the Director of the Conflict Resolution Instt. of India 
needed a bit of conflict resolving himself, I mean with a little 
better outcome that is.


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KPS Gill found guilty

PTI[ WEDNESDAY, JULY 27, 2005 12:13:50 PM ]
Surf 'N' Earn -Sign innow
NEW DELHI: The Supreme Court on Wednesday upheld the conviction of 
former Punjab Director General of Police and Indian Hockey Federation 
president KPS Gill on the charges of outraging the modesty of senior 
woman IAS officer Rupan Deol-Bajaj.


 A bench comprising Justice K G Balakrishnan and Justice BN 
Srikrishna upheld the 1998 Punjab and Haryana High Court order 
convicting Gill under Section 354 and Section 509 of the Indian Penal 
Code and directing him to pay a compensation of Rs two lakh to Bajaj.


 As Bajaj has refused to take the money and pleaded that the amount 
be given to a women's organisation, the apex court said the Chief 
Justice of Punjab and Haryana High Court will take an appropriate 
decision in this regard as the money is lying deposited in the High 
Court registry.


 The incident relates to a party on July 18, 1988 where Gill had 
outraged the modesty of Bajaj. The Supreme Court also dismissed 
Bajaj's petition seeking restoration of the sentence imposed by the 
trial court on Gill.


 The trial court had sentenced Gill to three months rigorous imprisonment.
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