Fw: [Assam] Re: The Economy of Assamese Pasi-Khorahi
Pls. forward this mail to assam net as I am unable to do it from myaccount. Regards Mridul Bhuyan From: Marek Wolski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday,August09,200512:27:43PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Assam] Re: The Economy of Assamese Pasi-Khorahi | | | Inbox Dear Sirs, we are interested in singing bowls, gongs and cymbals produced in Sarthebari. Could you advise me about any contacts with manufacturers? We will be visiting India in September and would like to come to Sarthebari as well. Could you let us know the e-mail of Assam Cooperative Bell Metal Utensils Manufacturing Society Ltd. (ACBMUMS) ? Kind regards, Marek Wolski MM Studioul. Lobzowska 1231-140 Krakow POLANDtel. (012) 292 66 99fax (012) 292 66 55kom. 501 08 77 99 __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
[Assam] Fw: Fwd: Fw: Golden Nostalgia AEC 2005 / ARTICLE FOR SOUVENIR
ASSAM ENGINEERUNG COLLEGE IS HAVING ITS GOLDEN JUBILEE CELEEBRATION IN SEPTEMBER 7TH. THEY ARE ALSO MAKING AN APPEAL FOR DONATION SPECIALLY FROM EX AECIANS. IF AMYBODY WANT TO DONATE , THEY MAY CONTACT DR KAKOTY, ATTACHED FIND THE DETAIL PROGRAM. Rajen Barua From: Dr Sashindra Kumar Kakoty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 11:45 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Golden Nostalgia AEC 2005 / ARTICLE FOR SOUVENIR Respected Barua Sir, Thanks a lot for your contribution of the article. I shall hand over the article to the Convenor of Publication Committee (Sri Amulya K Goswami, you might be knowing him. He graduated in 1963). I am sending you an attachment, wherein you will find the details of the celebration. The event is aimed at mobilizing ex-students from around the world, there is another Golden jubille Committee which is looking after the programmes spread over a year. So, definitely you may try to attend one later function according to your convenience. Further, I request you to send the attachment to as many contacts you have for wide publicity. We also welcome voluntary contribution for the causes mentioned in the appeal like Bust of HP Barua, Electronic Library etc. With regards, S K Kakoty Secy., AEC Alumni Association Jt. Secy., GOLDEN NOSTALGIA AEC 2005 appeal_stud.pdf Description: Binary data ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] Assam red-faced over CAG report - Telegraph
O'Ram: I would think that state govts. when they request para-military forces from the Center bear a certain cost. As far as the military operations, I seriously doubt if the state has to bear any. *** That itch of the trigger finger to shoot from the hip without doing the homework is acting up again, isn't it :-)? While I have nothing against Doubting Thomas', your doubting adds up to nothing. Assam has been and continuing to pay huge assessments for deployment of the armed forces, not just the CRPF. I don't have the exact numbers or the percentage of the total costs to the forces, but enough to hold Assam tottering at the edge of bankruptcy for decades. Had it been a system where the authorities would have had to answer to its constituents for its budgetary managements, or produce its own revenue to pay for expenses, Assam governance would have been long at the poor-house. Combined that with Indian governmental/economic system that requires to maintain huge numbers of people in its payroll, work or no work; that the Assam Govt. faithfully emulates, while it does not get paid even halfway fairly for its resources, such as oil, Assam govt. has been living on the debts with the all powerful Center holding the notes. Talk about FAIRNESS! And where do I get my info. from? Sanjib Baruah's two books, as well as occasional news from the Assam press, which is allergic to talk about it, just as allergic to talk of the taxes the govt. cannot and would not collect from the businesses; like the many Indian-patriots of Assamnet :-). Of course I can see the arguments flying back that the armed forces are only invitees of Assam. 'Bah-humbug' would be too kind a kind response to that. One way out maybe for Assam to have a President's rule for a period. The answer tells me that: 1: Desi-demokrasy is bereft of the idea of rule of law. That deterrence does not exist. 2: That there is no way to hold the corrupt and incompetent govts accountable by the people, democratically, inspiring one to opt for a REMOTE ( read colonial) AUTOCRACY, which President's Rule is. 3: That there is this belief that the Center is corruption free, is efficient or able. This flies in the face of all the evidence about Indian govts' integrity or abilities to perform. And who would administers this model of efficiency and integrity? Of course none other than likes of light-headed generals who once shielded an Assam CM from being prosecuted for gross corruption in order not to detract from the hunt of the insurgents, or that 'Framework of STEAL, the Civil Services. 3: That ardent devotees of desi-demokrasy have given up on democratic means to CHANGE unresponsive and incapable govts. They cannot imagine that there are better ways, or have resigned to the idea that desi-demokrasy cannot be reformed; which, it so happens, I happen to agree with. 4: Therefore, using the same logic, maybe it is time to start a movement to bring the British back for a few years to smack Indian govt. around on the face and hopefully set it straight. But I will propose that shedding the Indian model as developed and perpetuated by the Center, by an autonomous Assam Govt. composed of its able, selected thru a thoroughly REFORMED electoral process, has the only hope for change for the better. At 4:16 PM -0500 8/9/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote: I would think that state govts. when they request para-military forces from the Center bear a certain cost. As far as the military operations, I seriously doubt if the state has to bear any. What is galling is the perinial need to make excuses for a state govt. which is not just shrinking from its duties to citizens, but also misusing funds as a way of life. One way out maybe for Assam to have a President's rule for a period. Then finances and expenditures would be under the direct control of the Center. Then if things get missappropriated, we can all in unison blame the center. On 8/9/05, Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does Assam Government pay for the cost of running military operations in Assam? If yes, is it the same model for other states in India where the military has a similar role? --- Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C'da, BTW, isn't the Assam govt. run by the same folks who hold the reins of the powers at Delhi? Is there a problem with this National Party? I really don't think the 'party' in power makes a difference. The Centeral Govt. set this up during the Vajpayee Admin. (there was probably a different admin in Assam too). Just because there is a change at the helm, it doesn't mean treaties and allocations change overnight. There may be policy changes but things that need to be funded continue.The Central
Re: [Assam] Assam red-faced over CAG report - Telegraph
Title: Re: [Assam] Assam red-faced over CAG report - Telegraph Ram: It is disingenuous to suggest that I am attempting to criticize the CAG or its report. Suppose we assume that the Center slept these past 25 years, what happened to the GOA (all with Assamese interests), what did they do? What do you mean ASSUME? Is the Center's inaction an unfair assessment, a slanderous charge? And Assqam did about the same as Mai-Baap did. Do you have evidence to show otherwise? This is a normal procedure for all state allocations - the Centeral funds are allocated This is one of the BIGGEST problems right here. This notion that Mai Baap has the authority over resources to redistribute it as it sees fit. This is wrong, unfair, undemocratic, inefficient and riddled with corruption to begin with. This type of scenario is often repeated. The voter ID cards - Assam logged in less than 1% completion, while every other state had atleast more than 50%. And who need voter IDs more than any other state? And this too is no different from the Indian model of governance. Fits like a glove. So, alongwith the Center, why not also blame the ADB for being so foolish to fund money to Assam? Has corruption, misuse, misappropriation and squandering of public funds by the Center as well as the states been a surprise, a deep dark secret unbeknownst to the population and the world outside? No it is not ME who is jumping to blame anyone unfairly and washing his hands off responsibilities, without assessing blame where it REALLY belongs--where the authority, responsibility and the ability to effect the reforms to put deterrence to corruption in place. It is HE who is doing that to blame the people of Assam, as it is their own damn fault. Now I am sure you would brush my argument aside as that of a desi-basher. But you can find a study on Indian corruption at www.ti-bangladesh.org/ti-india/news/bullJan03.htm. Take a look and see how much of it is caused by the corrupted people of Assam. c-da At 12:23 PM -0500 8/9/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, BTW, isn't the Assam govt. run by the same folks who hold the reins of the powers at Delhi? Is there a problem with this National Party? I really don't think the 'party' in power makes a difference. The Centeral Govt. set this up during the Vajpayee Admin. (there was probably a different admin in Assam too). Just because there is a change at the helm, it doesn't mean treaties and allocations change overnight. There may be policy changes but things that need to be funded continue.The Central Auditors do hold BOTH the Center and the State responsible for the proper use of allocated funds. That was their report. Now, whether the CM or others or even Central ministers get punished or even caught in this scam is a different matter and the auditors have no say in that. Suppose we assume that the Center slept these past 25 years, what happened to the GOA (all with Assamese interests), what did they do? They took the allocated funds, and spent and misused it - cash strapped or not. All the auditors did was follow the money trail, and unfortunately it led straight to the GOA. This is a normal procedure for all state allocations - the Centeral funds are allocated to the states for various projects, and the states (normally) try and get this done within the framework of solid accounting practices and are accountable for what and where they spend. And the auditors do their job. This type of scenario is often repeated. The voter ID cards - Assam logged in less than 1% completion, while every other state had atleast more than 50%. And who need voter IDs more than any other state? The same happened with the Asian Dev. Bank funds(loans) for the reorg of ASEB. From last reports, that money is nowhere to be found. Why did the Center give the funds to Assam to do the Center's job? Was it not aware of the corruption that goes on ? So, alongwith the Center, why not also blame the ADB for being so foolish to fund money to Assam? Oh!, I am sorry, the ADB probably had no clue about the rampant corruption in the state - its their fault anyway, for not researching well enough. --Ram On 8/9/05, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Center ought to send its own border construction team and get the job done. *** I think that would be jumping the gun. After all twenty five years is not that long. I mean for the Center to realize there is a problem, and that it has a duty to protect the borders, and not cry about its funds being 'mis-utilized' by a state that is already broke from having to pay for the Indian military who have found a permanent home in Assam? BTW, isn't the Assam govt. run by the same folks who hold the reins of the powers at Delhi? Is there a problem with this National Party? And if there is how can Assam get rid of its incompetent governance? Are there built-in safeguards in desi-demokrasy, or is it the people of Assam's own damn
Re: [Assam] Assam red-faced over CAG report - Telegraph
I checked the balance sheet numbers on Assam Government website and did not find any indicators. I think one would accept if you used numbers and sources for those numbers instead of just referring to Sanjib Baruah. Assam has been and continuing to pay huge assessments for deployment of the armed forces, not just the CRPF. I don't have the exact numbers or the percentage of the total costs to the forces, but enough to hold Assam tottering at the edge of bankruptcy for decades. Had it been a What exactly is huge amounts? Without numbers in hand, all this talk is weightless opinion. the poor-house. Combined that with Indian governmental/economic system that requires to maintain huge numbers of people in its payroll, work or no work; that the Assam Govt. faithfully emulates, Now that is worth a laugh. Because different states have gone forward with different models - many have kept relatively leaner governments. The center does not exactly hold a gun to the state governments to recruit people into the government. Incidentally, the center is the leanest of the governments. And sure enough, the insurgencies of 25 years adding up to nothing, has also made sure there is nothing much else in terms of private sector jobs to look forward to. Did Sanjib Baruah also mention how much we have lost in terms of jobs in the private sector because of insurgencies? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's broken marriage
Money may be a reason for her tantrums - she is demanding 1.2 million dollars (Rs 7 crores as alimony it seems http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1196431,curpg-1.cms) My lanlord and proud owner of 4 houses is extremely concerned about this alimony business in US. From himonly I learnt tha in US many couple do not marry beocs in the event of a divorce they have to split their assets in half. Though my landlord has many girlfriends and even had live in relations with some he did not want to lose 2 of his houses by marrying . And he is not frank enough to sign a pre-nupital contract -as many hi-fi people do. Umeshumesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Although it would be callous on my part to speak out against a women who recently became a mother and just then having trouble with her marriage -- but seeing the plight of Karishma Kapoor - the erstwhile Bollywood super heroine - I am wondering whether she too is blindly aping the West. (as mentioned below) It is true that a pregnant woman needs to have her husband by her side and her husband was roaming around with some other females to visit night clubs during that period. In US I'm told the wannabe father has to hold to hand of the soon-to-be mother during labor - to soothe her. However, given the fact that filmy life demands that heroines and heros spend lot of time dancing and kissing with their fellow actors. So if their spouse does the same thing - I do not see that as wrong. I do not hear that her husband was kissing other females --only that he was dancing with other girls in night clubs. God knows why this is a big issue. Do you? Umesh http://in.rediff.com/movies/2005/aug/09karisma.htm It's sad when a broken marriage is turned into a soap opera," a close friend of the Kapoors says, referring to the crisis in Karisma's marital life. An e-mail Karisma apparently sent her husband Sanjay Kapur has had a pandemonium effect in her life. The long e-mail was reportedly the former actress agonising about how her husband betrayed her. But she cannot understand the media's curiosity about her marital break-up. Who leaked the e-mail to the press? "It doesn't require Herculean sleuthing abilities to figure that out," remarks the family friend. "The timing of the e-mail and the ensuing restraining order preventing Karisma from taking the baby out of the country, cannot be two unrelated incidents. This is more than a coincidence." Karisma's husband files case against her Sister Kareena speaks on her family's behalf, "We've been battered and cornered. What we need is prayers and compassion -- certainly not prying eyes trying to dissect every move we make." Karisma is too distraught to talk. The unexpected end of her marriage and the ensuing efforts to intimidate her through legal means (once again the critical question: Who leaked out Karisma's deeply personal e-mail to the press?) has shattered her. Karisma was strong enough to face the media, else she wouldn't have been able to make any categorical statements. Her lawyers have forbidden her from making any statement that could be used against her in court. But Kareena vows to fight it out. Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
[Assam] what does it mean??
Do away with notified minorities list: SCAugust 10, 200517:13 ISThttp://us.rediff.com/news/2005/aug/10minority.htm The Supreme Court has said that the practice of listing religious groups as 'minority communities' should be discouraged and the list be gradually be done away with as it promotes divisive tendencies to weaken the nation. A three-judge bench comprising Chief Justice R C Lahoti, Justice D M Dharmadhikari and Justice P K Balasubramnyan remindedminorities commissions set up by the centre and state governments that the goal of the Constitution was to create social conditions where there was no need to shield or protect rights of minority or majority communities. "The commissions, instead of encouraging claims from different communities for being added to a list of notified minorities under the Act, should suggest ways and means to help create social conditions where the list of notified minorities is gradually reduced and done away with altogether," said Justice Dharmadhikari, writing for the bench recently. The ruling was given while disposing of a petition demanding minority status for the Jain community. The bench accepted the centre's stand that it was for the states to determine whether Jains were a minority community depending on their social condition in their respective states. The Court said "in a caste-ridden Indian society, no section or distinct group of people can claim to be in majority. All are minorities amongst Hindus. Many of them claim such status because of their number and expect protection from the state on the ground that they are backward." It said if each minority group felt afraid of the other group, an atmosphere of mutual fear and distrust would be created, posing serious threat to the integrity of the nation leading to sowing of seeds of multi-nationalism. Claims for minority status-based on religion would increase as various sections would hope for getting special protections, privileges and treatment as part of constitutional guarantee, it added. "Encouragement to such fissiparous tendencies would be a serious jolt to the secular structure of the constitutional democracy," the bench said, cautioning that "we should guard against making our country akin to a theocratical state based on multi-nationalism". Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's broken marriage
hi umesh, i am simply not interested in knowing why ur landlord dont want to marry even though he has many girl friends...or how many houses he is the proud owner ofor whether he's frank enough not to sign pre-nups oe not..and if karishma kapoor has demanded alimony or not... i didnt sign upin this group to get news about what the celebrities are doin' and with whom they are moving around withnor am i interested in knowing whether husbands in US hold their wives hands during delivery or not ..sorry for being harsh with the words but u are spaming my mailbox. please think about us mere mortals who have other things to do instead of reading and gossiping about ppl who dont affect us at all...( by the way, is their any remedy for spaming in the US besides unsubscribing from the group???) regards, tridip lucknow umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Money may be a reason for her tantrums - she is demanding 1.2 million dollars (Rs 7 crores as alimony it seems http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1196431,curpg-1.cms) My lanlord and proud owner of 4 houses is extremely concerned about this alimony business in US. From himonly I learnt tha in US many couple do not marry beocs in the event of a divorce they have to split their assets in half. Though my landlord has many girlfriends and even had live in relations with some he did not want to lose 2 of his houses by marrying . And he is not frank enough to sign a pre-nupital contract -as many hi-fi people do. Umeshumesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Although it would be callous on my part to speak out against a women who recently became a mother and just then having trouble with her marriage -- but seeing the plight of Karishma Kapoor - the erstwhile Bollywood super heroine - I am wondering whether she too is blindly aping the West. (as mentioned below) It is true that a pregnant woman needs to have her husband by her side and her husband was roaming around with some other females to visit night clubs during that period. In US I'm told the wannabe father has to hold to hand of the soon-to-be mother during labor - to soothe her. However, given the fact that filmy life demands that heroines and heros spend lot of time dancing and kissing with their fellow actors. So if their spouse does the same thing - I do not see that as wrong. I do not hear that her husband was kissing other females --only that he was dancing with other girls in night clubs. God knows why this is a big issue. Do you? Umesh http://in.rediff.com/movies/2005/aug/09karisma.htm It's sad when a broken marriage is turned into a soap opera," a close friend of the Kapoors says, referring to the crisis in Karisma's marital life. An e-mail Karisma apparently sent her husband Sanjay Kapur has had a pandemonium effect in her life. The long e-mail was reportedly the former actress agonising about how her husband betrayed her. But she cannot understand the media's curiosity about her marital break-up. Who leaked the e-mail to the press? "It doesn't require Herculean sleuthing abilities to figure that out," remarks the family friend. "The timing of the e-mail and the ensuing restraining order preventing Karisma from taking the baby out of the country, cannot be two unrelated incidents. This is more than a coincidence." Karisma's husband files case against her Sister Kareena speaks on her family's behalf, "We've been battered and cornered. What we need is prayers and compassion -- certainly not prying eyes trying to dissect every move we make." Karisma is too distraught to talk. The unexpected end of her marriage and the ensuing efforts to intimidate her through legal means (once again the critical question: Who leaked out Karisma's deeply personal e-mail to the press?) has shattered her. Karisma was strong enough to face the media, else she wouldn't have been able to make any categorical statements. Her lawyers have forbidden her from making any statement that could be used against her in court. But Kareena vows to fight it out. Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list
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umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:04:51 +0100 (BST)From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Assam] To: tridip [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tridip, I do not know why you signed for this group and what you want. Could you be more specific as to what you now want? Umeshtridip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi umesh, i am simply not interested in knowing why ur landlord dont want to marry even though he has many girl friends...or how many houses he is the proud owner ofor whether he's frank enough not to sign pre-nups oe not..and if karishma kapoor has demanded alimony or not... i didnt sign upin this group to get news about what the celebrities are doin' and with whom they are moving around withnor am i interested in knowing whether husbands in US hold their wives hands during delivery or not ..sorry for being harsh with the words but u are spaming my mailbox. please think about us mere mortals who have other things to do instead of reading and gossiping about ppl who dont affect us at all...( by the way, is their any remedy for spaming in the US besides unsubscribing from the group???) regards, tridip lucknow umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Money may be a reason for her tantrums - she is demanding 1.2 million dollars (Rs 7 crores as alimony it seems http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1196431,curpg-1.cms) My lanlord and proud owner of 4 houses is extremely concerned about this alimony business in US. From himonly I learnt tha in US many couple do not marry beocs in the event of a divorce they have to split their assets in half. Though my landlord has many girlfriends and even had live in relations with some he did not want to lose 2 of his houses by marrying . And he is not frank enough to sign a pre-nupital contract -as many hi-fi people do. Umeshumesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Although it would be callous on my part to speak out against a women who recently became a mother and just then having trouble with her marriage -- but seeing the plight of Karishma Kapoor - the erstwhile Bollywood super heroine - I am wondering whether she too is blindly aping the West. (as mentioned below) It is true that a pregnant woman needs to have her husband by her side and her husband was roaming around with some other females to visit night clubs during that period. In US I'm told the wannabe father has to hold to hand of the soon-to-be mother during labor - to soothe her. However, given the fact that filmy life demands that heroines and heros spend lot of time dancing and kissing with their fellow actors. So if their spouse does the same thing - I do not see that as wrong. I do not hear that her husband was kissing other females --only that he was dancing with other girls in night clubs. God knows why this is a big issue. Do you? Umesh http://in.rediff.com/movies/2005/aug/09karisma.htm It's sad when a broken marriage is turned into a soap opera," a close friend of the Kapoors says, referring to the crisis in Karisma's marital life. An e-mail Karisma apparently sent her husband Sanjay Kapur has had a pandemonium effect in her life. The long e-mail was reportedly the former actress agonising about how her husband betrayed her. But she cannot understand the media's curiosity about her marital break-up. Who leaked the e-mail to the press? "It doesn't require Herculean sleuthing abilities to figure that out," remarks the family friend. "The timing of the e-mail and the ensuing restraining order preventing Karisma from taking the baby out of the country, cannot be two unrelated incidents. This is more than a coincidence." Karisma's husband files case against her Sister Kareena speaks on her family's behalf, "We've been battered and cornered. What we need is prayers and compassion -- certainly not prying eyes trying to dissect every move we make." Karisma is too distraught to talk. The unexpected end of her marriage and the ensuing efforts to intimidate her through legal means (once again the critical question: Who leaked out Karisma's deeply personal e-mail to the press?) has shattered her. Karisma was strong enough to face the media, else she wouldn't have been able to make any categorical statements. Her lawyers have forbidden her from making any statement that could be used against her in court. But Kareena vows to fight it out. Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list
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Dear Tridip, I do not know when you joined this group but I think this is the first time you are writing to it. I would suggest you right more mails on the topics of your interest. I wrote an article on IMDT repeal in Assam and its effects - just yesterday - any comments on it? The issues of Divorce and marriage or education and minority rights etc - I feel are equally important issues for the balanced development of any place. What do you think? Umeshtridip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi umesh, with due respect, when i signed up for this group i assumed that i'd bea part of the thought process of the assamese diaspora in particular and the assamese community in general vis-a-vis topics related to assam. i thought we 'd be discussing about how to lift assam from the present rot. and how to go about it...i dont want to sound patriotic or something to that effect but that was the belief i held when i signed upwith insugency, no investments worth its name, IMDT, floodsdont you think we already have enough issues to brain storm...not that i have anything against you personally but i thinkur recent mails were out of contextmy views entirely so i decided to speak up regards, tridip lucknow n.b:- that was a prompt reply on your part. that's appreciable!umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tridip, I do not know why you signed for this group and what you want. Could you be more specific as to what you now want? Umeshtridip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi umesh, i am simply not interested in knowing why ur landlord dont want to marry even though he has many girl friends...or how many houses he is the proud owner ofor whether he's frank enough not to sign pre-nups oe not..and if karishma kapoor has demanded alimony or not... i didnt sign upin this group to get news about what the celebrities are doin' and with whom they are moving around withnor am i interested in knowing whether husbands in US hold their wives hands during delivery or not ..sorry for being harsh with the words but u are spaming my mailbox. please think about us mere mortals who have other things to do instead of reading and gossiping about ppl who dont affect us at all...( by the way, is their any remedy for spaming in the US besides unsubscribing from the group???) regards, tridip lucknow umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Money may be a reason for her tantrums - she is demanding 1.2 million dollars (Rs 7 crores as alimony it seems http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1196431,curpg-1.cms) My lanlord and proud owner of 4 houses is extremely concerned about this alimony business in US. From himonly I learnt tha in US many couple do not marry beocs in the event of a divorce they have to split their assets in half. Though my landlord has many girlfriends and even had live in relations with some he did not want to lose 2 of his houses by marrying . And he is not frank enough to sign a pre-nupital contract -as many hi-fi people do. Umeshumesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Although it would be callous on my part to speak out against a women who recently became a mother and just then having trouble with her marriage -- but seeing the plight of Karishma Kapoor - the erstwhile Bollywood super heroine - I am wondering whether she too is blindly aping the West. (as mentioned below) It is true that a pregnant woman needs to have her husband by her side and her husband was roaming around with some other females to visit night clubs during that period. In US I'm told the wannabe father has to hold to hand of the soon-to-be mother during labor - to soothe her. However, given the fact that filmy life demands that heroines and heros spend lot of time dancing and kissing with their fellow actors. So if their spouse does the same thing - I do not see that as wrong. I do not hear that her husband was kissing other females --only that he was dancing with other girls in night clubs. God knows why this is a big issue. Do you? Umesh http://in.rediff.com/movies/2005/aug/09karisma.htm It's sad when a broken marriage is turned into a soap opera," a close friend of the Kapoors says, referring to the crisis in Karisma's marital life. An e-mail Karisma apparently sent her husband Sanjay Kapur has had a pandemonium effect in her life. The long e-mail was reportedly the former actress agonising about how her husband betrayed her. But she cannot understand the media's curiosity about her marital break-up. Who leaked the e-mail to the press? "It doesn't require Herculean sleuthing abilities to figure that out," remarks the family friend. "The timing of the e-mail and the ensuing restraining order preventing Karisma from taking the baby out of the country, cannot be two unrelated incidents. This is more than a coincidence." Karisma's husband files case against her Sister Kareena speaks on her family's behalf, "We've been battered and cornered. What we need is prayers and compassion -- certainly not prying
Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's broken marriage
I find it amusing that u are on it without subscribing to it. Maybe some well wisher gifted you a membership. UmeshSaswati Bora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tridip, I echo your sentiments. However, unlike you, I dont remember signing into this group at all. So whoever is the moderator, please unsubscribe me. Thank you. tridip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi umesh, i am simply not interested in knowing why ur landlord dont want to marry even though he has many girl friends...or how many houses he is the proud owner ofor whether he's frank enough not to sign pre-nups oe not..and if karishma kapoor has demanded alimony or not... i didnt sign upin this group to get news about what the celebrities are doin' and with whom they are moving around withnor am i interested in knowing whether husbands in US hold their wives hands during delivery or not ..sorry for being harsh with the words but u are spaming my mailbox. please think about us mere mortals who have other things to do instead of reading and gossiping about ppl who dont affect us at all...( by the way, is their any remedy for spaming in the US besides unsubscribing from the group???) regards, tridip lucknow umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Money may be a reason for her tantrums - she is demanding 1.2 million dollars (Rs 7 crores as alimony it seems http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1196431,curpg-1.cms) My lanlord and proud owner of 4 houses is extremely concerned about this alimony business in US. From himonly I learnt tha in US many couple do not marry beocs in the event of a divorce they have to split their assets in half. Though my landlord has many girlfriends and even had live in relations with some he did not want to lose 2 of his houses by marrying . And he is not frank enough to sign a pre-nupital contract -as many hi-fi people do. Umeshumesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Although it would be callous on my part to speak out against a women who recently became a mother and just then having trouble with her marriage -- but seeing the plight of Karishma Kapoor - the erstwhile Bollywood super heroine - I am wondering whether she too is blindly aping the West. (as mentioned below) It is true that a pregnant woman needs to have her husband by her side and her husband was roaming around with some other females to visit night clubs during that period. In US I'm told the wannabe father has to hold to hand of the soon-to-be mother during labor - to soothe her. However, given the fact that filmy life demands that heroines and heros spend lot of time dancing and kissing with their fellow actors. So if their spouse does the same thing - I do not see that as wrong. I do not hear that her husband was kissing other females --only that he was dancing with other girls in night clubs. God knows why this is a big issue. Do you? Umesh http://in.rediff.com/movies/2005/aug/09karisma.htm It's sad when a broken marriage is turned into a soap opera," a close friend of the Kapoors says, referring to the crisis in Karisma's marital life. An e-mail Karisma apparently sent her husband Sanjay Kapur has had a pandemonium effect in her life. The long e-mail was reportedly the former actress agonising about how her husband betrayed her. But she cannot understand the media's curiosity about her marital break-up. Who leaked the e-mail to the press? "It doesn't require Herculean sleuthing abilities to figure that out," remarks the family friend. "The timing of the e-mail and the ensuing restraining order preventing Karisma from taking the baby out of the country, cannot be two unrelated incidents. This is more than a coincidence." Karisma's husband files case against her Sister Kareena speaks on her family's behalf, "We've been battered and cornered. What we need is prayers and compassion -- certainly not prying eyes trying to dissect every move we make." Karisma is too distraught to talk. The unexpected end of her marriage and the ensuing efforts to intimidate her through legal means (once again the critical question: Who leaked out Karisma's deeply personal e-mail to the press?) has shattered her. Karisma was strong enough to face the media, else she wouldn't have been able to make any categorical statements. Her lawyers have forbidden her from making any statement that could be used against her in court. But Kareena vows to fight it out. Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list FAQ:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.htmlTo unsubscribe or change options:http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ___Assam mailing listAssam@pikespeak.uccs.eduhttp://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assamMailing list
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hi saswati, well, guess u got signed in by default ( being a member of ratne..though i am not sure if that happened or if that's possible at all..just a guess )..as for unsubscribing from the group..i think u should give it a second thought...now that u are already a member of the group...i believe u can put that to good effecteveryone can play a role hereone can start some healthy discussion... issuespertaining to assam and see what the assamese diaspora think about it just an opinion though! having said that lemme clarify that i am neither the moderator nor the owner of the group...and to be honest i am not sure whether i actually did signed up for this group or not.since i was receiving all these mails..i thought i might have signed regards, tridip. lucknow umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it amusing that u are on it without subscribing to it. Maybe some well wisher gifted you a membership. UmeshSaswati Bora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tridip, I echo your sentiments. However, unlike you, I dont remember signing into this group at all. So whoever is the moderator, please unsubscribe me. Thank you. tridip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi umesh, i am simply not interested in knowing why ur landlord dont want to marry even though he has many girl friends...or how many houses he is the proud owner ofor whether he's frank enough not to sign pre-nups oe not..and if karishma kapoor has demanded alimony or not... i didnt sign upin this group to get news about what the celebrities are doin' and with whom they are moving around withnor am i interested in knowing whether husbands in US hold their wives hands during delivery or not ..sorry for being harsh with the words but u are spaming my mailbox. please think about us mere mortals who have other things to do instead of reading and gossiping about ppl who dont affect us at all...( by the way, is their any remedy for spaming in the US besides unsubscribing from the group???) regards, tridip lucknow umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Money may be a reason for her tantrums - she is demanding 1.2 million dollars (Rs 7 crores as alimony it seems http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1196431,curpg-1.cms) My lanlord and proud owner of 4 houses is extremely concerned about this alimony business in US. From himonly I learnt tha in US many couple do not marry beocs in the event of a divorce they have to split their assets in half. Though my landlord has many girlfriends and even had live in relations with some he did not want to lose 2 of his houses by marrying . And he is not frank enough to sign a pre-nupital contract -as many hi-fi people do. Umeshumesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Although it would be callous on my part to speak out against a women who recently became a mother and just then having trouble with her marriage -- but seeing the plight of Karishma Kapoor - the erstwhile Bollywood super heroine - I am wondering whether she too is blindly aping the West. (as mentioned below) It is true that a pregnant woman needs to have her husband by her side and her husband was roaming around with some other females to visit night clubs during that period. In US I'm told the wannabe father has to hold to hand of the soon-to-be mother during labor - to soothe her. However, given the fact that filmy life demands that heroines and heros spend lot of time dancing and kissing with their fellow actors. So if their spouse does the same thing - I do not see that as wrong. I do not hear that her husband was kissing other females --only that he was dancing with other girls in night clubs. God knows why this is a big issue. Do you? Umesh http://in.rediff.com/movies/2005/aug/09karisma.htm It's sad when a broken marriage is turned into a soap opera," a close friend of the Kapoors says, referring to the crisis in Karisma's marital life. An e-mail Karisma apparently sent her husband Sanjay Kapur has had a pandemonium effect in her life. The long e-mail was reportedly the former actress agonising about how her husband betrayed her. But she cannot understand the media's curiosity about her marital break-up. Who leaked the e-mail to the press? "It doesn't require Herculean sleuthing abilities to figure that out," remarks the family friend. "The timing of the e-mail and the ensuing restraining order preventing Karisma from taking the baby out of the country, cannot be two unrelated incidents. This is more than a coincidence." Karisma's husband files case against her Sister Kareena speaks on her family's behalf, "We've been battered and cornered. What we need is prayers and compassion -- certainly not prying eyes trying to dissect every move we make." Karisma is too distraught to talk. The unexpected end of her marriage and the ensuing efforts to intimidate her through legal means (once again the critical question: Who leaked out Karisma's deeply personal e-mail to the press?) has shattered her. Karisma was
Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's broken marriage
Dear Tridip, You have already started the good work!!! -- by contributing to its discussions. It would be interesting to hear from your experience in Lucknow. Umeshtridip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi saswati, well, guess u got signed in by default ( being a member of ratne..though i am not sure if that happened or if that's possible at all..just a guess )..as for unsubscribing from the group..i think u should give it a second thought...now that u are already a member of the group...i believe u can put that to good effecteveryone can play a role hereone can start some healthy discussion... issuespertaining to assam and see what the assamese diaspora think about it just an opinion though! having said that lemme clarify that i am neither the moderator nor the owner of the group...and to be honest i am not sure whether i actually did signed up for this group or not.since i was receiving all these mails..i thought i might have signed regards, tridip. lucknow umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it amusing that u are on it without subscribing to it. Maybe some well wisher gifted you a membership. UmeshSaswati Bora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tridip, I echo your sentiments. However, unlike you, I dont remember signing into this group at all. So whoever is the moderator, please unsubscribe me. Thank you. tridip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi umesh, i am simply not interested in knowing why ur landlord dont want to marry even though he has many girl friends...or how many houses he is the proud owner ofor whether he's frank enough not to sign pre-nups oe not..and if karishma kapoor has demanded alimony or not... i didnt sign upin this group to get news about what the celebrities are doin' and with whom they are moving around withnor am i interested in knowing whether husbands in US hold their wives hands during delivery or not ..sorry for being harsh with the words but u are spaming my mailbox. please think about us mere mortals who have other things to do instead of reading and gossiping about ppl who dont affect us at all...( by the way, is their any remedy for spaming in the US besides unsubscribing from the group???) regards, tridip lucknow umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Money may be a reason for her tantrums - she is demanding 1.2 million dollars (Rs 7 crores as alimony it seems http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1196431,curpg-1.cms) My lanlord and proud owner of 4 houses is extremely concerned about this alimony business in US. From himonly I learnt tha in US many couple do not marry beocs in the event of a divorce they have to split their assets in half. Though my landlord has many girlfriends and even had live in relations with some he did not want to lose 2 of his houses by marrying . And he is not frank enough to sign a pre-nupital contract -as many hi-fi people do. Umeshumesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Although it would be callous on my part to speak out against a women who recently became a mother and just then having trouble with her marriage -- but seeing the plight of Karishma Kapoor - the erstwhile Bollywood super heroine - I am wondering whether she too is blindly aping the West. (as mentioned below) It is true that a pregnant woman needs to have her husband by her side and her husband was roaming around with some other females to visit night clubs during that period. In US I'm told the wannabe father has to hold to hand of the soon-to-be mother during labor - to soothe her. However, given the fact that filmy life demands that heroines and heros spend lot of time dancing and kissing with their fellow actors. So if their spouse does the same thing - I do not see that as wrong. I do not hear that her husband was kissing other females --only that he was dancing with other girls in night clubs. God knows why this is a big issue. Do you? Umesh http://in.rediff.com/movies/2005/aug/09karisma.htm It's sad when a broken marriage is turned into a soap opera," a close friend of the Kapoors says, referring to the crisis in Karisma's marital life. An e-mail Karisma apparently sent her husband Sanjay Kapur has had a pandemonium effect in her life. The long e-mail was reportedly the former actress agonising about how her husband betrayed her. But she cannot understand the media's curiosity about her marital break-up. Who leaked the e-mail to the press? "It doesn't require Herculean sleuthing abilities to figure that out," remarks the family friend. "The timing of the e-mail and the ensuing restraining order preventing Karisma from taking the baby out of the country, cannot be two unrelated incidents. This is more than a coincidence." Karisma's husband files case against her Sister Kareena speaks on her family's behalf, "We've been battered and cornered. What we need is prayers and compassion -- certainly not prying eyes trying to dissect every move we make." Karisma is too distraught to talk. The unexpected end of her
Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's broken marriage
Title: Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's broken marriag Hi Umesh: The Assam Netters have been very accommodating to you, considering you are a gate-crasher with an agenda. Remember how I got on your case about your anti-Muslim posts to Assam Net and those who echo your sentiments, although very un-Assamese like, came to your defense, on grounds of free speech? Free speech, incidentally is a privilege, not a right, in a private e-mail list such as Assam Net. It is obvious you don't pick things up too well. Your preoccupation with sexual habits of 'white' Americans or NRI children, Bollywood personalities, wealth and social mores of NRI children and your half-baked assessments and broad-brush judgements of people on skimpy evidence, speaks more of your maturity than subjects of your judgment; Harvard Grad School of Ed not withstanding. I have no problems understanding your affected interests in Assam and the Assamese. But it will do you well to listen and adjust your modus operandi in Assam Net. Your attitudes and mind-set are fairly alien to the Assamese one, if you have not yet noticed. Take care. cm PS: Hi Saswati: Good to hear from you. Hope things are going well for you.. Assam net is a self subscribing/un-subscribing list these days. I hope you won't leave, but participate. Say Hi to Babul. Best.--c'da At 11:49 PM +0100 8/10/05, umesh sharma wrote: Dear Tridip, You have already started the good work!!! -- by contributing to its discussions. It would be interesting to hear from your experience in Lucknow. Umesh tridip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi saswati, well, guess u got signed in by default ( being a member of ratne..though i am not sure if that happened or if that's possible at all..just a guess )..as for unsubscribing from the group..i think u should give it a second thought...now that u are already a member of the group...i believe u can put that to good effecteveryone can play a role hereone can start some healthy discussion... issuespertaining to assam and see what the assamese diaspora think about it just an opinion though! having said that lemme clarify that i am neither the moderator nor the owner of the group...and to be honest i am not sure whether i actually did signed up for this group or not.since i was receiving all these mails..i thought i might have signed regards, tridip. lucknow umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it amusing that u are on it without subscribing to it. Maybe some well wisher gifted you a membership. Umesh Saswati Bora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tridip, I echo your sentiments. However, unlike you, I dont remember signing into this group at all. So whoever is the moderator, please unsubscribe me. Thank you. tridip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi umesh, i am simply not interested in knowing why ur landlord dont want to marry even though he has many girl friends...or how many houses he is the proud owner ofor whether he's frank enough not to sign pre-nups oe not..and if karishma kapoor has demanded alimony or not... i didnt sign upin this group to get news about what the celebrities are doin' and with whom they are moving around withnor am i interested in knowing whether husbands in US hold their wives hands during delivery or not ..sorry for being harsh with the words but u are spaming my mailbox. please think about us mere mortals who have other things to do instead of reading and gossiping about ppl who dont affect us at all...( by the way, is their any remedy for spaming in the US besides unsubscribing from the group???) regards, tridip lucknow umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Money may be a reason for her tantrums - she is demanding 1.2 million dollars (Rs 7 crores as alimony it seems http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1196431,curpg-1.cms) My lanlord and proud owner of 4 houses is extremely concerned about this alimony business in US. From himonly I learnt tha in US many couple do not marry beocs in the event of a divorce they have to split their assets in half. Though my landlord has many girlfriends and even had live in relations with some he did not want to lose 2 of his houses by marrying . And he is not frank enough to sign a pre-nupital contract -as many hi-fi people do. Umesh umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Although it would be callous on my part to speak out against a women who recently became a mother and just then having trouble with her marriage -- but seeing the plight of Karishma Kapoor - the erstwhile Bollywood super heroine - I am wondering whether she too is blindly aping the West. (as mentioned below) It is true that a pregnant woman needs to have her husband by her side and her husband was roaming around with some other females to visit night clubs during that period. In US I'm told the wannabe father has to hold to hand of the soon-to-be mother during labor - to soothe her. However, given the fact that filmy life demands that heroines
Re: [Assam] Assam red-faced over CAG report - Telegraph
C'da, Sorry for the delay, I was trying to get some research on the topic done:) It is disingenuous to suggest that I am attempting to criticize the CAG or its report. I was't trying to do that. And I am glad that you at least accept the report to be true, even though you would find the blame or fault lies elsewhere (and not in GOA). What do you mean ASSUME? Is the Center's inaction an unfair assessment, a slanderous charge? I used the word 'assume' because, inspite of the common notion bandied around that they did 'nothing' for 25 odd years, I have recently come across several reports (I tried to locate them again, but couldn't - will try again) that vis-a-vis Assam: The Center treated Assam as most other states in the union after Independence. During some periods, the treatment was lack-lustre, while in others (after the Chinese aggression), there was a sudden wake-up call, and some things (at least in Arunachal border) like roads and infrastructure got attention. The Center, according to the report should have paid more attention to the NE (and Assam) becuase of special circumstances. The report goes on to say that 90% of the state budget goes to pay salaries etc. Assam has the largest number of employees (than any other state), and THAT is the reason why there is little else left. The normal MO is when central funds (or foreign funds like ADB) comes in, these are promptly diverted to other areas. Para-Military: The Center usually charges 50% of expenses, in Assam's case it is 10% of cost. I haven't got the data on the military cost-sharing in Assam. But intend to keep looking, lest I be branded as not doing my 'homework' :) But here is one from the Central Home Ministry (if you believe their numbers). http://mha.nic.in/ch5.html This notion that Mai Baap has the authority over resources to redistribute it as it sees fit. This is wrong, unfair, undemocratic, inefficient and riddled with corruption to begin with. I know, you are allergic to the notion. Well, its been handed down to us from the Brits. Pool everything together in one central place and distribute as per need and requirement. The Federal Tax in this country also follows that logic. But now and then pork does get in. Now, does Mai-Baap has the authority? Of course it does - because ALL the states within the Union are a parties to such an arrangement. This is wrong, unfair, undemocratic, inefficient and riddled with corruption to begin with It may be riddled with corruption, but it is fair, and democratic and maybe even logical. As an example, if Assam were independent today, wouldn't Dispur hold on to the same system (in a democratic Assam)? So Dispur will assume that 'authority'. BTW: I did look at the attachment (Transperancy International (India)) you sent over. Thanks. The article did do a pretty good job, and I am not going to second guess them. You are right, Assam did not figure out anywhere there (in the corruption index). Puts me in a quandry though - all these years I have been reading about the levels of corruption in Assam, must have been all the wrong stuff, else these other states and areas are so much more corrupt, that Assam's seem miniscule. :) Now I am sure you would brush my argument aside as that of a desi-basher. No, no, no - how could I do ever do that? You do lean quite often toward desi-bashing, but I think its a charmed life. There are many, many issues to pick on, on desi- governance, castes, creed, corruption etc, and similar issues on Assam. and all this makes dialog more interesting :) :) --Ram On 8/10/05, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram: It is disingenuous to suggest that I am attempting to criticize the CAG or its report. Suppose we assume that the Center slept these past 25 years, what happened to the GOA (all with Assamese interests), what did they do? What do you mean ASSUME? Is the Center's inaction an unfair assessment, a slanderous charge? And Assqam did about the same as Mai-Baap did. Do you have evidence to show otherwise? This is a normal procedure for all state allocations - the Centeral funds are allocated This is one of the BIGGEST problems right here. This notion that Mai Baap has the authority over resources to redistribute it as it sees fit. This is wrong, unfair, undemocratic, inefficient and riddled with corruption to begin with. This type of scenario is often repeated. The voter ID cards - Assam logged in less than 1% completion, while every other state had atleast more than 50%. And who need voter IDs more than any other state? And this too is no different from the Indian model of governance. Fits like a glove. So, alongwith the Center, why not also blame the ADB for being so foolish to fund money to Assam? Has corruption, misuse, misappropriation and squandering of public funds by the Center as well as the states been a surprise, a deep dark secret
Re: [Assam] Assam red-faced over CAG report - Telegraph
At 9:47 AM -0700 8/10/05, Rajib Das wrote: I checked the balance sheet numbers on Assam Government website and did not find any indicators. I think one would accept if you used numbers and sources for those numbers instead of just referring to Sanjib Baruah. Well, then that is the final word! Assam doesn't have to pay for Center's services in hunting down Assam insurgents. India does that as a favor. Because Rajib Das did not find any reference to it in the Assam Govt. web-site. But only the inferentially challenged would buy the argument. What exactly is huge amounts? Without numbers in hand, all this talk is weightless opinion. Once again, since I can't offer any numbers, it must not be a fact. Now that is worth a laugh. Because different states have gone forward with different models - many have kept relatively leaner governments. The center does not exactly hold a gun to the state governments to recruit people into the government. Incidentally, the center is the leanest of the governments. I am relieved to hear that the Center maintains lean and mean govt. And also that some states are leaner than Assam. That must tell us that the Assam folks, being good for nothing and lazy. Of course that has to be based on the assumptions that all the states have the same circumstances. Again only a fool and the profoundly ignorant will believe that. And sure enough, the insurgencies of 25 years adding up to nothing, Isn't that a big surprise? But it would be a surprise only to those whose reasoning abilities are grossly impaired, considering a rag-tag band of insurgents against the world's third largest army not being able to make Assam a prosperous state, as opposed to those cut in the mold of Delhi emulating mis-governance reigning in Assam. Did Sanjib Baruah also mention how much we have lost in terms of jobs in the private sector because of insurgencies? No he did not. Primarily because he can think a whole lot better than those who would ask such questions. Assam has been and continuing to pay huge assessments for deployment of the armed forces, not just the CRPF. I don't have the exact numbers or the percentage of the total costs to the forces, but enough to hold Assam tottering at the edge of bankruptcy for decades. Had it been a What exactly is huge amounts? Without numbers in hand, all this talk is weightless opinion. the poor-house. Combined that with Indian governmental/economic system that requires to maintain huge numbers of people in its payroll, work or no work; that the Assam Govt. faithfully emulates, Now that is worth a laugh. Because different states have gone forward with different models - many have kept relatively leaner governments. The center does not exactly hold a gun to the state governments to recruit people into the government. Incidentally, the center is the leanest of the governments. And sure enough, the insurgencies of 25 years adding up to nothing, has also made sure there is nothing much else in terms of private sector jobs to look forward to. Did Sanjib Baruah also mention how much we have lost in terms of jobs in the private sector because of insurgencies? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam ___ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
Re: [Assam] Assam red-faced over CAG report - Telegraph
C'da, Because Rajib Das did not find any reference to it in the Assam Govt. web-site. Why would Sanjib Barua's stats be the only ones to glean from? And where do you think he would have got them? My guess would be: the Assam Govt. (Statistical Year Book, the published budgets, Home Ministry), and India Govt. (Home Ministry, Year Books, and Budget figures). He may have had some ancilliary resources, but those above would be the main one. And that is the same place where Rajib went to - the Assam Govt. I don't see the difference. Now, maybe, people interpret numbers the way they like it . No he did not. Primarily because he can think a whole lot better than those who would ask such questions. I have all the respect for Sanjib Baruah, and its great he has written a number of books, but some of us, common folks can come up with short spurts of brilliance too :) I think Rajib's question is a very valid one. If SB did not deal with such questions, then off-the-bat it would indicate that his writings are biased - specially when his topics deal with insurgency. Yes, what are the costs of insurgency (in terms of private sector jobs)? - here is one major one (if you or SB missed it): While profits are a big pull, in the end, its all about long-term security, and because of insurgency related matters, no big business (in India or abroad) is breaking down doors to get into Assam to invest. Can you answer this, in the last 20 odd years, how many big industries (private sector) have opened up in Assam? I am more concerned with something like auto/scooter/watch/garment manufacturing business. --Ram On 8/10/05, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 9:47 AM -0700 8/10/05, Rajib Das wrote: I checked the balance sheet numbers on Assam Government website and did not find any indicators. I think one would accept if you used numbers and sources for those numbers instead of just referring to Sanjib Baruah. Well, then that is the final word! Assam doesn't have to pay for Center's services in hunting down Assam insurgents. India does that as a favor. Because Rajib Das did not find any reference to it in the Assam Govt. web-site. But only the inferentially challenged would buy the argument. What exactly is huge amounts? Without numbers in hand, all this talk is weightless opinion. Once again, since I can't offer any numbers, it must not be a fact. Now that is worth a laugh. Because different states have gone forward with different models - many have kept relatively leaner governments. The center does not exactly hold a gun to the state governments to recruit people into the government. Incidentally, the center is the leanest of the governments. I am relieved to hear that the Center maintains lean and mean govt. And also that some states are leaner than Assam. That must tell us that the Assam folks, being good for nothing and lazy. Of course that has to be based on the assumptions that all the states have the same circumstances. Again only a fool and the profoundly ignorant will believe that. And sure enough, the insurgencies of 25 years adding up to nothing, Isn't that a big surprise? But it would be a surprise only to those whose reasoning abilities are grossly impaired, considering a rag-tag band of insurgents against the world's third largest army not being able to make Assam a prosperous state, as opposed to those cut in the mold of Delhi emulating mis-governance reigning in Assam. Did Sanjib Baruah also mention how much we have lost in terms of jobs in the private sector because of insurgencies? No he did not. Primarily because he can think a whole lot better than those who would ask such questions. Assam has been and continuing to pay huge assessments for deployment of the armed forces, not just the CRPF. I don't have the exact numbers or the percentage of the total costs to the forces, but enough to hold Assam tottering at the edge of bankruptcy for decades. Had it been a What exactly is huge amounts? Without numbers in hand, all this talk is weightless opinion. the poor-house. Combined that with Indian governmental/economic system that requires to maintain huge numbers of people in its payroll, work or no work; that the Assam Govt. faithfully emulates, Now that is worth a laugh. Because different states have gone forward with different models - many have kept relatively leaner governments. The center does not exactly hold a gun to the state governments to recruit people into the government. Incidentally, the center is the leanest of the governments. And sure enough, the insurgencies of 25 years adding up to nothing, has also made sure there is nothing much else in terms of private sector jobs to look forward to. Did Sanjib Baruah also mention how much we have lost in terms of jobs in the private sector
