date:20050822

Bhuban da,

I agree with you that one big impediment is the stark inefficience with which the State Govt. officials act. Personally, But its not just state. govt., similar is the case with bank officers, Regional Passport Officer etc.

When you visit any of these offices, the first impression is a lack of total interest of your presence.
Above that they are just plain rude.If you are lucky, you may get a ' ki lage upunak?' or a ' aji nohobo dei, in-charge manuh jen nai, kail le ahi bosun'.

In any case, small as these things seem to be, they would discourage any small time investor.

The other big impediment is the need for an investor know that his/her investment is safe and will yield returns. With problems with the insurgency, big time investors will shy away.
Add to these the state holdiday scheme - BANDHS.

IMHO, even given these factors, those interested, could still attract some small investors on a short-term basis. There are stillmany businesses who seem to doing great right there in Guwahati. Many of the private businesses have great customer service, a smile on their faces, and want to be successful.

--Ram

On 8/22/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Subject:Re: [Assam] Boga Baduli and BPO Boom--Part 1
There are many members in this list , settled in the USA, UK etc., who are millionnaires. I wish some of them would get together and make an effort to open one in Guwahati / Assam. The Govt will only be too willing to help them.

I don't think there are many millionaires in UK or USA as suggested. I agree they could be small investors. However, people have lost confidence on Assam Government offcials' efficiency in such matters.

I expect people to disagree with me on my submission. At least that is my personal experience.

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Re: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action now, PM. Confer ballot onAssam Sovereignty restoration

Title: Re: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action  now, PM.
Confer ball


 I have said this to the Hurriyat in Kashmir, ULFA in Assam
and Naxalites in Andhra Pradeshthere is no grievance that cannot be
redressed through democratic means and sustained dialogue,



 What a self contradicting statement!

It would have been whole lot more convincing if MMS could have
given an example or two of Indian democracy's problem solving
approaches ( I won't even ask for
complete resolutions) in Kashmir, re: Naxals, re: ULFA, re:
Nagas.


But I am sure the PM wouldn't have missed an opportunity to cite
them, if he had any.











At 7:14 AM + 8/22/05, Bartta Bistar wrote:


If you say people are with you, prove
it at the hustings: PM to Naxals

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=76764



HYDERABAD, AUGUST 21: Days after
the YSR Reddy government ended a year-long truce with Left wing
extremist groups and revived the ban in Andhra Pradesh, Prime Minister
Manmohan Singh today challenged the Naxalites to test their
popularity at the hustings.

If their movement, Singh said in
Hyderabad today, truly had peoples support, they should try and
change the system through democratic means. Every political
group that claims to represent the interests of people or of a section
must test its popularity at the hustings. Go and ask people to vote
for you. Come to legislatures and enact the laws that you wish to see
in place.

The power of people in a democracy
flows through the ballot box and not from the barrel of gun. I have
said this to the Hurriyat in Kashmir, ULFA in Assam and Naxalites in
Andhra Pradeshthere is no grievance that cannot be redressed
through democratic means and sustained dialogue, Singh said at a
seminar on Press and the Nation organised by the CPI(M) organ
Prajasakti.

The Prime Minister made it clear that
terror tactics would not be tolerated. Faced with terror
tactics, the government will have no other option than to fight such
groups and their ideology of hatred. Extremism of any form, based on
any divisive ideology, cannot be tolerated in any civilised democratic
society, he said.













His warning comes on the heels of an
upsurge in Naxal violence after a years respite and two rounds of
peace talks. Congress MLA C Narsi Reddy and nine others were killed in
Narayanpet on Independence Day.

Singh pointed out that
even Gadar, Naxal emissary and balladeer, had admitted to a TV channel
that the killing of innocent people did not help win a cause.
This is an important liberal principle. Our democracy allows us
freedom to champion our cause and win people over to our point of
view, he said



Can read http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=1theme=usrsess=1id=87190
also.












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Re: Fwd: [Assam] Boga Baduli and BPO Boom--Part 1

Title: Re: Fwd: [Assam] Boga Baduli and  BPO
Boom--Part 1


You are right BK.


People, professionals, most of us 'probaxi Oxomiyas in the west,
won't risk their life's savings to go invest in an environment where
there is no accountability, no trust in governance and its
institutions, even if they had a little to spare.

I raised a question here in Assam Net sometime back after seeing
the report that the UK's second or third largest FDI is from India, on
why it is so, while India is seeking FDI from around the world? My ol'
buddy Dilip Deka tried to explain with some spinning :-),and avoiding
the obvious but it did not explain anything.

Recently I asked the question of the Indian Embassy First Secy.,
Mr. Jaswal, an articulate and refined gentleman, whom I had the
opportunity to sit with for a few minutes in a reception here in St.
Louis. He seemed unaware of it and was momentarily taken aback. Then
he said that it is probably because of an easier business environment.
I was going to quiz him a bit more on it, but he was rescued by an
interruption and I could not follow up :-).

c









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There are many members in this list ,
settled in the USA, UK etc., who are millionnaires. I wish some of
them would get together and make an effort to open one in Guwahati /
Assam. The Govt will only be too willing to help
them.

I don't think there are many millionaires in UK or USA
as suggested. I agree they could be small investors. However, people
have lost confidence on Assam Government offcials' efficiency in such
matters.

I expect people to disagree with me on my submission.
At least that is my personal experience.

Bhuban

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Re: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action now, PM. Confer ballot onAssam Sovereignty restoration

C'da,

I have said this to the Hurriyat in Kashmir, ULFA in Assam and Naxalites in Andhra Pradesh—there is no grievance that cannot be redressed through democratic means and sustained dialogue,''

What a self contradicting statement!

Maybe, I am missing something here. But I don't see any self-contradictory statement here. Whatis wrong with what the PM is saying. I have even removed my tinted glasses, still don't see a darn thing wrong with the statement. :)

The Prime Minister made it clear that terror tactics would not be tolerated. ''Faced with terror tactics, the government will have no other option than to fight such groups and their ideology of hatred. Extremism of any form, based on any divisive ideology, cannot be tolerated in any civilised democratic society,''

Nor, do I see a problem with the above.

--Ram

On 8/22/05, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have said this to the Hurriyat in Kashmir, ULFA in Assam and Naxalites in Andhra Pradesh—there is no grievance that cannot be redressed through democratic means and sustained dialogue,''

What a self contradicting statement!

It would have been whole lot more convincing if MMS could have given an example or two of Indian democracy's problem solving approaches ( I won't even ask for
complete resolutions) in Kashmir, re: Naxals, re: ULFA, re: Nagas.

But I am sure the PM wouldn't have missed an opportunity to cite them, if he had any.

At 7:14 AM + 8/22/05, Bartta Bistar wrote:

If you say people are with you, prove it at the hustings: PM to Naxals
http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=76764

If their movement, Singh said in Hyderabad today, truly had people's support, they should try and change the system through democratic means. ''Every political group that claims to represent the interests of people or of a section must test its popularity at the hustings. Go and ask people to vote for you. Come to legislatures and enact the laws that you wish to see in place.''

''The power of people in a democracy flows through the ballot box and not from the barrel of gun. I have said this to the Hurriyat in Kashmir, ULFA in Assam and Naxalites in Andhra Pradesh—there is no grievance that cannot be redressed through democratic means and sustained dialogue,'' Singh said at a seminar on ''Press and the Nation' organised by the CPI(M) organ Prajasakti.

His warning comes on the heels of an upsurge in Naxal violence after a year's respite and two rounds of peace talks. Congress MLA C Narsi Reddy and nine others were killed in Narayanpet on Independence Day.

Singh pointed out that even Gadar, Naxal emissary and balladeer, had admitted to a TV channel that the killing of innocent people did not help win a cause. ''This is an important liberal principle. Our democracy allows us freedom to champion our cause and win people over to our point of view,'' he said

Can read
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Re: Fwd: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action now, PM. Confer ballot onAssam Soverei...

Title: Re: Fwd: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action  now, PM.
Confer


What Dr Manmohan
Singh is suggesting is a constitutional process. ULFA's demand, and
for that matter that of any insurgency group,
isnotbased on India'sConstitution.



 The constitution is skewed against Assam's legitimate RIGHTS
and interests. Therefore the whole premise is a meaningless one, as
far as Assam's grievances are concerned.

How for example, can a handful of legislators from Assam, who get
there thru a profoundly faulty, undemocratic and outside special
interest controlled electoral process, safeguard Assam's interest
playing the numbers game in a house of 400 (?); in a system where the
checks and balances of a lower and upper house is merely a
rubber-stamping mechanism lacking any teeth, and where the checks and
balances of constitutional division of powers are non-functional,
leading for example a state to refuse to obey the directive of the SC
on a matter such as riverlinking, and that too with impunity?

Kharkhowas living in the west, in their developed and functional
democracies, spouting praise of democratic system do so, without
being aware of or deliberately ignoring the realities of
desi-demokrasy.

I don't make the charge lightly. One needs only to look at the
arguments that we make in Assam net, or in the many India related
websites, that display the degree of ignorance of democratic
principles, even among the desi elites.











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What Dr Manmohan Singh is suggesting is a
constitutional process. ULFA's demand, and for that matter that of any
insurgency group, isnotbased on India'sConstitution.
It is not democratic either; in fact it need not be democratic. Dr
Singh has sworn in to promote, protect and preserve all that is there
in the Constitution of India.The architects of the Indian
Constitution were aware of the fact that India is a weak union made up
of diverse elements -differences in religion, ethnicity, language,
culture and so on - and it stressed that all efforts must be directed
towards keeping India united. In this I accuse the Government of India
of its haphazard efforts or no efforts at all in keeping India united.
I also believe that a great disservice was done by the Sixth schedule
with which Dr Ambedkar's name is associated. The sixth schedule was
meant for a trial period of ten years but the Indian politicians do
not have the guts to scrap it.In fact more and more people want to
benefit from it. Even Dr Ambedkar was not happy at last. The caste
system is so deeply rooted in Indian culture that he advised the
dalits to convert to Buddhism. But I personally know that even after
becoming converts they continued to benefit from the Sixth Schedule
like all other backward people of India, i e the scheduled caste and
scheduled tribes.

bhuban



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Re: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action now, PM. Confer ballot onAssam Sovereignty restoration

Title: Re: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action now, PM.
Confer ballo


Maybe, I am missing something here.


 That is not a 'maybe', Ram. You are missing what is staring
on your face :-).


Extremism and violence do not fall from the sky on some dark and
stormy night, on an 'ounxir endhaar raati'. They brew over decades,
slowly building steam. Only after seeing no ability to effect change,
get redress for grievances, do people finally, in desperation, take up
arms, knowing full well that their likely rewards might just be death
and imprisonment. Hundreds of thousands of ordinary people don't go
about courting death like this if there are any redress in sight or
seemed achievable
thru the process they mistakenly call 'Indian democracy', ALMOST
an oxymoron by itself, like 'military intelligence'.

Those who cannot fathom that, are the same people who go about
making the MMS like pithy pronouncements, after the fact.

Was India unaware of what was brewing in Kashmir Ram? Only
the profoundly ignorant or deluded will claim that. Was India unaware
of Assam's discontent, before LFA happened? You tell me.

And what did Indian democracy do to prevent them? To forestall
them? Dilute the discontent? Where was the great Indian democratic
machine? Why could it not not show that it could be counted on to do
what MMS claims it can do now? How is it an iota different from what
it was then?

You show us Ram.

c-da





At 8:47 AM -0500 8/22/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,


 I have said this to the Hurriyat in
Kashmir, ULFA in Assam and Naxalites in Andhra Pradesh-there is no
grievance that cannot be redressed through democratic means and
sustained dialogue,''

 What a self contradicting
statement!

Maybe, I am missing something here. But I
don't see any self-contradictory statement here. Whatis wrong
with what the PM is saying. I have even removed my tinted glasses,
still don't see a darn thing wrong with the statement. :)

The Prime Minister made it clear
that terror tactics would not be tolerated. ''Faced with terror
tactics, the government will have no other option than to fight such
groups and their ideology of hatred. Extremism of any form, based on
any divisive ideology, cannot be tolerated in any civilised democratic
society,'' 

Nor, do I see a problem with the
above.

--Ram





On 8/22/05, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 I have said this to the Hurriyat in Kashmir, ULFA in
Assam and Naxalites in Andhra Pradesh-there is no grievance that
cannot be redressed through democratic means and sustained
dialogue,''






 What a self contradicting statement!


It would have been whole lot more convincing if MMS could
have given an example or two of Indian democracy's problem solving
approaches ( I won't even ask for
complete resolutions) in Kashmir, re: Naxals, re: ULFA,
re: Nagas.




But I am sure the PM wouldn't have missed an opportunity
to cite them, if he had any.






















At 7:14 AM + 8/22/05, Bartta Bistar wrote:




If you say people are with you, prove it at the
hustings: PM to Naxals

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=76764



HYDERABAD, AUGUST 21: Days after the YSR Reddy
government ended a year-long truce with Left wing extremist groups and
revived the ban in Andhra Pradesh, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh today
challenged the Naxalites to test their ''popularity'' at the
hustings.

If their movement, Singh said in Hyderabad today, truly
had people's support, they should try and change the system through
democratic means. ''Every political group that claims to represent the
interests of people or of a section must test its popularity at the
hustings. Go and ask people to vote for you. Come to legislatures and
enact the laws that you wish to see in place.''

''The power of people in a democracy flows through the
ballot box and not from the barrel of gun. I have said this to the
Hurriyat in Kashmir, ULFA in Assam and Naxalites in Andhra
Pradesh-there is no grievance that cannot be redressed through
democratic means and sustained dialogue,'' Singh said at a seminar on
''Press and the Nation' organised by the CPI(M) organ Prajasakti.

The Prime Minister made it clear that terror tactics would
not be tolerated. ''Faced with terror tactics, the government will
have no other option than to fight such groups and their ideology of
hatred. Extremism of any form, based on any divisive ideology, cannot
be tolerated in any civilised democratic society,'' he said.













His warning comes on the heels of an upsurge in Naxal
violence after a year's respite and two rounds of peace talks.
Congress MLA C Narsi Reddy and nine others were killed in Narayanpet
on Independence Day.

Singh pointed out that even Gadar, Naxal
emissary and balladeer, had admitted to a TV channel that the killing
of innocent people did not help win a cause. ''This is an important
liberal principle. Our democracy allows us freedom to champion our
cause and win people over to our point of

Re: Fwd: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action now, PM. Confer ballot onAssam Soverei...

2005-08-22 Thread Rajen Barua

Title: Re: Fwd: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action now, PM. Confer




How for example, can a handful of 
legislators from Assam, who get there thru a profoundly faulty, undemocratic and 
outside special interest controlled electoral process, safeguard Assam's 
interest playing the numbers game in a house of 400 (?); in a system where the 
checks and balances of a lower and upper house is merely a rubber-stamping 
mechanism lacking any teeth, and where the checks and balances of constitutional 
division of powers are non-functional, leading for example a state to refuse 
to obey the directive of the SC on a matter such as riverlinking, and that 
too with impunity?

How Assam was represented by a handfull of Ahom Buragohains and a 
Xorgodewin a most undemocratic manner for 600 years.?
How Assam was ruled in a most undemocratic 
manner for 150 years by the British Raj who destroyed the Assamese 
entreprenership starting with Maniram Dewan and opened and exploited Assam for 
the outsiders? 
That is what we had then, and this is what 
we have now. 
The question is whether we look at the 
glass as half full and try to improve, or we look at it half empty and try to 
destory.
That is my brother is the 
difference.
Try to be a Friend of Assam.
Don't try to be a power hungry 
patriot.
Rajen

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Chan 
  Mahanta 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu 
  Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:00 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Fwd: [Assam] Word to ULFA 
  into action now, PM. Confer ballot onAssam Soverei...
  
  What Dr Manmohan Singh is 
  suggesting is a constitutional process. ULFA's demand, and for that matter 
  that of any insurgency group, isnotbased on 
  India'sConstitution.
  
  
  
   The constitution is skewed against Assam's legitimate RIGHTS and 
  interests. Therefore the whole premise is a meaningless one, as far as Assam's 
  grievances are concerned.
  
  How for example, can a handful of legislators from Assam, who get there 
  thru a profoundly faulty, undemocratic and outside special interest controlled 
  electoral process, safeguard Assam's interest playing the numbers game in a 
  house of 400 (?); in a system where the checks and balances of a lower and 
  upper house is merely a rubber-stamping mechanism lacking any teeth, and where 
  the checks and balances of constitutional division of powers are 
  non-functional, leading for example a state to refuse to obey the directive of 
  the SC on a matter such as riverlinking, and that too with impunity?
  
  Kharkhowas living in the west, in their developed and functional 
  democracies, spouting praise of democratic system do so, without being 
  aware of or deliberately ignoring the realities of desi-demokrasy.
  
  I don't make the charge lightly. One needs only to look at the arguments 
  that we make in Assam net, or in the many India related websites, that display 
  the degree of ignorance of democratic principles, even among the desi 
  elites.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  At 6:33 AM -0400 8/22/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Return-path: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Full-name: 
BBaruahMessage-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Mon, 22 
Aug 2005 06:30:33 EDTSubject: Re: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action 
now, PM. Confer ballot onAssamSovereig...To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]MIME-Version: 1.0Content-Type: 
multipart/alternative; 
boundary="-1124706633"X-Mailer: 9.0 
SE for Windows sub 631
  What 
Dr Manmohan Singh is suggesting is a constitutional process. ULFA's demand, 
and for that matter that of any insurgency group, isnotbased on 
India'sConstitution. It is not democratic either; in fact it need not 
be democratic. Dr Singh has sworn in to promote, protect and preserve all 
that is there in the Constitution of India.The architects of the 
Indian Constitution were aware of the fact that India is a weak union made 
up of diverse elements -differences in religion, ethnicity, language, 
culture and so on - and it stressed that all efforts must be directed 
towards keeping India united. In this I accuse the Government of India of 
its haphazard efforts or no efforts at all in keeping India united. I also 
believe that a great disservice was done by the Sixth schedule with which Dr 
Ambedkar's name is associated. The sixth schedule was meant for a trial 
period of ten years but the Indian politicians do not have the guts to scrap 
it.In fact more and more people want to benefit from it. Even Dr Ambedkar 
was not happy at last. The caste system is so deeply rooted in Indian 
culture that he advised the dalits to convert to Buddhism. But I personally 
know that even after becoming converts they continued to benefit from the 
Sixth Schedule like all other backward people of India, i e the scheduled 
caste and scheduled tribes.
  
  bhuban

Re: Fwd: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action now, PM. Confer ballot onAssam Soverei...

Title: Re: Fwd: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action  now, PM.
Confer



You did not explain anything at all here Rajen.

I wished you had.

c








At 9:33 AM -0500 8/22/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
How for example, can a handful of legislators from
Assam, who get there thru a profoundly faulty, undemocratic and
outside special interest controlled electoral process, safeguard
Assam's interest playing the numbers game in a house of 400 (?); in a
system where the checks and balances of a lower and upper house is
merely a rubber-stamping mechanism lacking any teeth, and where
the checks and balances of constitutional division of powers are
non-functional, leading for example a state to refuse to obey the
directive of the SC on a matter such as riverlinking, and that too
with impunity?


How
Assam was represented by a handfull of Ahom Buragohains and a
Xorgodewin a most undemocratic manner for 600
years.?
How
Assam was ruled in a most undemocratic manner for 150 years by the
British Raj who destroyed the Assamese entreprenership starting with
Maniram Dewan and opened and exploited Assam for the
outsiders?
That
is what we had then, and this is what we have now.
The
question is whether we look at the glass as half full and try to
improve, or we look at it half empty and try to
destory.
That
is my brother is the difference.
Try
to be a Friend of Assam.
Don't try to be a power hungry
patriot.
Rajen
- Original Message -
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action
now, PM. Confer ballot onAssam Soverei...

What Dr
Manmohan Singh is suggesting is a constitutional process. ULFA's
demand, and for that matter that of any insurgency group,
isnotbased on
India'sConstitution.



 The constitution is skewed against Assam's legitimate
RIGHTS and interests. Therefore the whole premise is a meaningless
one, as far as Assam's grievances are concerned.

How for example, can a handful of legislators from Assam,
who get there thru a profoundly faulty, undemocratic and outside
special interest controlled electoral process, safeguard Assam's
interest playing the numbers game in a house of 400 (?); in a system
where the checks and balances of a lower and upper house is merely a
rubber-stamping mechanism lacking any teeth, and where the checks and
balances of constitutional division of powers are non-functional,
leading for example a state to refuse to obey the directive of the SC
on a matter such as riverlinking, and that too with
impunity?

Kharkhowas living in the west, in their developed and
functional democracies, spouting praise of democratic system do so,
without being aware of or deliberately ignoring the realities of
desi-demokrasy.

I don't make the charge lightly. One needs only to look at
the arguments that we make in Assam net, or in the many India related
websites, that display the degree of ignorance of democratic
principles, even among the desi elites.











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What Dr
Manmohan Singh is suggesting is a constitutional process. ULFA's
demand, and for that matter that of any insurgency group,
isnotbased on India'sConstitution. It is not
democratic either; in fact it need not be democratic. Dr Singh has
sworn in to promote, protect and preserve all that is there in the
Constitution of India.The architects of the Indian Constitution
were aware of the fact that India is a weak union made up of diverse
elements -differences in religion, ethnicity, language, culture and so
on - and it stressed that all efforts must be directed towards keeping
India united. In this I accuse the Government of India of its
haphazard efforts or no efforts at all in keeping India united. I also
believe that a great disservice was done by the Sixth schedule with
which Dr Ambedkar's name is associated. The sixth schedule was meant
for a trial period of ten years but the Indian politicians do not have
the guts to scrap it.In fact more and more people want to benefit from
it. Even Dr Ambedkar was not happy at last. The caste system is so
deeply rooted in Indian culture that he advised the dalits to convert
to Buddhism. But I personally know that even after becoming converts
they continued to benefit from the Sixth Schedule like all other
backward people of India, i e the scheduled caste and scheduled
tribes.



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Re: [Assam] Word to ULFA into action now, PM. Confer ballot onAssam Sovereignty restoration

C'da,Extremism and violence do not fall from the sky on some dark andstormy night, on an 'ounxir endhaar raati'. They brew over decades,slowly building steam. Only after seeing no ability to effect change,
get redress for grievances, do people finally, in desperation, take uparms, knowing full well that their likely rewards might just be deathand imprisonment. Hundreds of thousands of ordinary people don't go
about courting death like this if there are any redress in sight orseemed achievableNo they don't. I think we all understand these from historicalmissteps/errors whether they were in Delhi or in Assam.
The question is, what do we do now?

Here is a PM who IS TRYING to setthings aright. But you still want to go back and re-hash history andblame the PM for even trying.If Assam has any chance of peace, this PM (with his connections to
Assam) and his administrations is as close as you can get.We can either keep griping and wail moan or think forward andcapitalize on what we have here.'Indian democracy', whether you like it or not is here to stay in its
present form and function. We can curse it all we want, we can hateit, but the fact of the matter is Assam and her people, just like therest of India have to make the best of what they have.Yes, we would all like improvements in many areas. But your solutions
so far has been a solution of 'throwing the baby with the bath-water'
Is that what we want for Assam - a state embroiled in uncertainity,stunted growth, and myraid of other problems?
Solutions for an 'independent Assam' given all these conditions aretoo far-fetched. Even taking your position - that the Indian democarcyis wretched, IT is the GOI to which the insurgents will ultimately
have to go to for parleys. It is this same 'wretched' GOI that allthis has to come thru.

I know, you will come back and ask: Who is the GOI to give anything (all that mai-baap stuff) to Assam. But looking at the situation in a more practical sense (and without emotion), it is the GOI we have to deal with, and I should think with a PM like Singh who is far more decent than some we have had before, there is a pretty good chance at peace.

--RamOn 8/22/05, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe, I am missing something here. That is not a 'maybe', Ram. You are missing what is staring on your face :-). Extremism and violence do not fall from the sky on some dark and stormy night, on an 'ounxir endhaar raati'. They brew over decades, slowly building steam. Only after seeing no ability to effect change, get redress for grievances, do people finally, in desperation, take up arms, knowing full well that their likely rewards might just be death and imprisonment. Hundreds of thousands of ordinary people don't go about courting death like this if there are any redress in sight or seemed achievable
thru the process they mistakenly call 'Indian democracy', ALMOST an oxymoron by itself, like 'military intelligence'. Those who cannot fathom that, are the same people who go about making the MMS like pithy pronouncements, after the fact.
Was India unaware of what was brewing in Kashmir Ram? Only the profoundly ignorant or deluded will claim that. Was India unaware of Assam's discontent, before LFA happened? You tell me.
And what did Indian democracy do to prevent them? To forestall them? Dilute the discontent? Where was the great Indian democratic machine? Why could it not not show that it could be counted on to do what MMS claims it can do now? How is it an iota different from what it was then?
You show us Ram. c-da At 8:47 AM -0500 8/22/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da, I have said this to the Hurriyat in Kashmir, ULFA in Assam and Naxalites in Andhra Pradesh-there is no grievance that cannot be redressed through democratic means and sustained dialogue,''
What a self contradicting statement! Maybe, I am missing something here. But I don't see any self-contradictory statement here. What is wrong with what the PM is saying. I have even removed my tinted glasses, still don't see a darn thing wrong with the statement. :)
The Prime Minister made it clear that terror tactics would not be tolerated. ''Faced with terror tactics, the government will have no other option than to fight such groups and their ideology of hatred. Extremism of any form, based on any divisive ideology, cannot be tolerated in any civilised democratic society,''
Nor, do I see a problem with the above. --Ram
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Re: Re: [Assam] Introduction Malla Baruah

2005-08-22 Thread Rajen Barua




It appears that it was the time when the famous 
Harakanta-Birakanta brothers of Kamrup were trying to revolt 
against the Ahom king.

And I was corrected by Mr MK Dutta that it should rather 
be Haradatta-Biradatta and not Harakanta-Birakant. I stand 
cotrrecetd for my slip, and thank Dutta for pointing that out.
Rajen Barua


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Barua25 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Cc: assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu 
  Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:12 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Re: [Assam] Introduction 
  Malla Baruah
  
  Dear Dipankar:
  Thanks for the information about Malla Baruahs. I have 
  better and exciting news though. I asked you the question about Malla Baruah, 
  and I got the authentic answerhere in Houston itself from my friend Mr 
  Rabin Mahanta (another ex-Oilindian). So now probably I know more about the 
  (famous) Malla Baruahs in Assam then you. Anyhow the following information 
  about the Malla Baruah family was gathered throughRabin Mahanta 
  whoseGrand Mother comes from the famous Malla Baruah family in North 
  Kamrup, Xankusi to be exact.The title Malla Baruah was apparently 
  given to the family by the Ahom king Gadadhar Singha. It appears that it was 
  the time when the famous Harakanta-Birakanta brothers of Kamrup were trying to 
  revolt against the Ahom king. During this time, Gadadhar Singha 
  appointed and established theancestor with the title of Malla Baruah and 
  grantedlots of land and properties. The Malla Baruah family acted 
  like a Viceroyfor theAhom King on that part of the country. In 
  modern terms, the Malla Baruah family probably acted like a War Lord and 
  pacified any unwanted revolution and maintained law and order and probably 
  collected taxes on behalf of the Ahom Kings. The familyused to maintain 
  a fleet ofelephants and I am sure they used to maintain an army 
  consisted of probably Mallas (or Mals) for the purpose. So Malla Baruah 
  are from a warrior family like that of the Baro Bhuyans (the ancestor family 
  of our famous Xongkordev). You are right that all the Malla Baruahs are 
  probably related one way or another.Now you may not know it but by 
  default you are distant relativesofRabin Mahanta as well 
  asDilip Deka of Houston. I also came to know that our National poet 
  famous Ajit Malla Baruah hails from this family. Looks like Assam is a small 
  world mainly controlled by the Malla Baruahs. Keep it up.
  
  BTW I worked in the Mechanical Engineering discipline 
  and left Oil India in 1979.Since then I have been living in Houston and 
  working here in the oil  gas industry as an engineer.How is the 
  Well Logging Departmentdoing now.What technilogy youuse? Do you do 
  3-D Survey etc?
  Thanks
  Rajen Barua
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Dipankar Malla Baruah (Well 
Logging) 
To: Rajen Barua 
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu 
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 3:05 
AM
Subject: Re: Re: [Assam] 
Introduction
Rajen da,As far as I know, we Malla Baruahs are 
related to one another and there is only one big Malla Baruah family 
originally from North Kamrup. The meaning of my middle name that you have 
guessed is probably correct as I remember my father saying such a thing to 
me. Rajen da, when did you work in OIL. Which department did you 
work in. What you are doing now. I will be glad to know all 
these.DipankarFrom: "Rajen Barua" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Fri, 
19 Aug 2005 08:57:09 -0500To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] 
IntroductionWelcome to Dipankar from an ex OilIndian.May I ask 
you couple of questions:Are you related to Paresh Malla Baruah?Do 
you know how you guys got the middle name Malla?Is it a title given to 
your ancestor by the Ahoms?Normally that would probably mean 'an officer 
who is in charge of the Malla jujarus"?But I may be 
wrong.ThanksRajen Barua, Houston- Original Message - 
From: "Dipankar Malla Baruah (Well Logging)" 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:04 
AMSubject: [Assam] Introduction Sambhashan 
everyone,  I am Dipangkar Malla Baruah, working in Oil India 
Ltd presently posted in Duliajan, Assam as Dy Supdng Engineer. I did BE in 
electronics from VRCE (REC), Nagpur in 1993. I will like to interact with 
the people who love Assam in different part of the world.  
Dipangkar   With regards D M Baruah 
Dy Supdng Engineer Well Logging Deptt Oil India Ltd 
Duliajan - 786 602 Assam Phone : 0374 2803017 (R)094350 
39820 (M)  
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Re: [Assam] 365 Days Birth Days - AssamNet only!

2005-08-22 Thread Pranjal Choudhury

Hi,

My addition
1st september= Pranjal Choudhury(Bangalore,India)
Thanks and Regards
Pranjal
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Raiz,

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RE: [Assam] What?? Indian/Muslim Churidar compulsory! Ban on Dokhna ! othersacquiescing!!

This college Principal need a reality check. Uniforms look good only till school level if at all.

UmeshChan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Hi A:


I don't have an answer for you. But I saw the news, and I am sure there will be more on this :-).

c-da





At 3:59 PM -0500 8/21/05, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:
Yes, this is ridiculous - prohibiting the bodostudents from preserving their own culture and tradition. It is strange that the student union bodies also went against these students.
It is strange that Churidar is compulsory and dokhna is prohibited.
We would have been in trouble in our own home-town, if this was the rule in our school.In many families,we, theyoung girlswere not allowed to wear 'suridar' or 'salowar-kamij' when we were young - we went intowearing 'mekhela-saador' or 'sari' straight from wearing frocks.
This one is for you, C'da: When will they start honoring the basic rights of peoplein India?



From: "Bartta Bistar" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] What?? Indian/Muslim Churidar compulsory! Ban on Dokhna !  othersacquiescing!!Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:44:19 +

Tension prevails over ban on Bodo dress 



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Kokrajhar, Aug 21: Tension run high in the Surupeta BHB College in Barpeta district following the college authority banning the entry of Bodo students wearing the traditional Bodo Dokhna dress in the college premises.

The Bodo students wearing the permitted colour Dokhna on Saturday were not allowed to enter in the college premises.

Tension started when the college authority introduced churidar or salwar kamij as the uniform for the girls students beginning this academic year which the Bodo students refused.

The college union bodies started boycotting the classes when the Bodo students refused to obey the dress code and continue attending the class wearing dokhna.

The Bodo students alleged that they were warned by the principal of expel from the college and of giving forceful transfer certificate if they do not come wearing churidar.

The college authority when contacted refutes the allegation saying the students were just requested to obey the order for peaceful atmosphere. There was no warning as such. It was just a request, the authority said.

Different Bodo organization including the influential All Bodo Students Union (ABSU), Bodo Sahitya Sabha (BSS) and All Bodo Women Welfare Federation (ABWWF) has expressed serious concern and anguish over the issue saying its humiliating that the Bodo girls students are not allowed to wear the traditional dress Dokhna even though they put the same colour the college authority has adopted.

In a press release the ABSU said in a state like Assam with diverse ethnic group colour should be the basis of uniform but not the dress.

The ABSU has nothing to say about the colour uniform but lawfully it would strongly oppose the senseless decision of the college authority for adopting the churidar as the only option for uniform dress, the release stated.

Churidar is not the dress of the Bodos and it cannot be the dress of Assamese people either, added ABSU secretary Goutam Mushahary.

We have got full right to preserve our own culture, custom, language and tradition as being the indigenous community. If we cannot have the right to protect and preserve our own culture in our own state then where lies the meaning of freedom and respect of indigenous tribal culture, the release stated.

The Bodo organizations has appealed the college authority to think consciously, carefully and farsightedly if they are really concern about Assam in particular and tribal culture in general.

The organization has also urged the Assamese intellectuals including the All Assam Students Union (AASU) and Assam Sahitya Sabha to come up with helping hands and give a meaningful thought for peaceful solution of the problem and for peaceful future of Assam.








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[Assam] Re: Some sanskrit translations needed

Sir,

It may be that you are trying to bring about a cohesion between Eastern and western faiths -- just like Swami Yogananda did during his three decade stay in the West (author of "Autobiography of a Yogi") He also quoted scriptures of both Hinduism and Christianity and declared that Krishna and Christ were both incarnations of God. http://www.yogananda-srf.org/

But in this case the quotations you mention seem to be cooked up - no reference is given. I am quite sure that the author has just written something in Sanskrit -and is passing them as Hindu Mantras - to prove that there was description in Hindu scriptures that Jesus would be born. http://www.churchofindia.com/mantras.htm

The first mantra refers to - Brahmaputra - literally son of God . You may not agree but Hindus believe that we all are children of God. The Advaita (only One)Hindu philosophy says "Brahmasmi" - I am God - meaning thateachsoul is potentially divine and a part of the Supreme and weall can reach Godhood - by prayer and Yoga.The Dvaita (Two) philosophy says that God and our souls are apart - but all souls are equally divine. Thus we are ALL children of God (to say in western sense). We do NOT believe that ONLY Jesus was the SON of God. We ALL are. He was definitely a spiritual superior and many Hindu Yogis - like Yoganada or Vivekanand or ISKCON's Prabhupad believe that Christ was the same as Krishna. http://www.ramakrishna.org/sv.htmhttp://www.iskcon.com/

We also believe that there have been many incarnations/prohets since then. We Hindus also do not believe that GOd is a man (father) or a mother or a child. God/Brahma is Nirgun (without good or bad qualities) andNiraakaar (formless) and omni present -- so God cannot be a father who has a son (and no mother). The various forms of idols you see in Hindu temples are like the angels or higher beings - and not God/Brahma. I am glad you could make out that Hindus also worship ONE God (or Brahma) a fact not realized by even many Hindus.

You say that Jesus is the only true prophet and all others - like Muhammad or Krishna or Buddha are false - in your remarks here it amounts to that -- I would say that this is the root cause of bloodshed in the present times - in Iraq or Nagaland or other places. This is fanaticism.

I was surprised that you decided to place religion above national integration - by proletyzing at India's Independece Day celebration.

I hope God would give you the good sense to respect other faiths and NOT to misquote from scriptures of other faiths. For instance - your other leaflet had quotations from RigVeda -
The sacrificial victim is to be crowned with a crown made of thorny vines (Rigveda X : 90: 7,15) (Bruhadaranyakopanishad III : 9 : 28) http://www.churchofindia.com/jesusinhinduscripts.htm
I happen to have brought a copy of Artarva and Rig Veda from India with me. Rig Veda hasONLY four chapters (adhyaya) whereas your quote above seems to be from chapter TEN!!

We Hindus also believe in twice born or born again - after acheiving Nirvana - thus only those Hindus whohave achieved Nirvana stage are really truly Brahmins (called Dwija - twice born).

If you look up Bhagwat Geeta - chapter 16 (I think shoka 39 to 42) you would learn that the castes were NOT by birth but by action. Unfortunately in reality the priestly class chose another route -similar to the Papacy which led to Protestanism. You may be happy to know that many Hindus of so-called upper caste are busy in social integration among Hindus of various castes - including my father .

I would advise you to look up the Upanishads or Vedanta and practise Yoga to achieve a fulfilling spiritual life.

May God/Brahm/Allah/ Ahur Mazda be with you.

UmeshDaniel israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Umesh,Thanks for stopping by yesterday. I really admire your zeal passion for absolute truth. Sinceyou were in a great hurry, I could not talk to you much.1. Om Brahamaputra NamahaOh thou son of god, I worship thee.Jesus, the Son of God.No doubt Jesus is the son Of God. - John 3:16The first line is the Sanskrit Scripture. I am going to provide you the web site of this article.Perhaps you could contact the author straight and get the clarification and reference of theScripture. ( www.marvelouslight.org)The second line is the literal translation of the first line in English, which many agree, isaccurate.The third and fourth lines are interpretations and commentaries of the writer of this article(Mani Iyer). We should have actually kept those sentences within parenthesis, and noted ascommentary. We !
will do
that very soon, and try to get the reference and insert it there too.I am going to try to get the person's email so that you can connect with him straight and clarifythis matter.But in the mean time, I want you to see the overall picture of what I am doing. I am trying tomake people focus on a very unique God, who is above eastern and western religious ideals. I amvery much interested in making people see Jesus

Re: [Assam] Some sanskrit translations needed

Sir,

I was surprised that you decided to place religion above national integration - by proletyzing at India's Independece Day celebration.

We Hindus also believe in twice born or born again - after acheiving Nirvana - thus only those Hindus whohave achieved Nirvana stage are really truly Brahmins (called Dwija - twice born).

I would advise you to look up the Upanishads or Vedanta and practise Yoga to achieve a fulfilling spiritual life.

May God/Brahm/Allah/ Ahur Mazda be with you.

[Assam] To better serve, assamnet will move to [EMAIL PROTECTED] soon

2005-08-22 Thread jkk2020


Hello everyone,

Assamnet will move some time soon to a new home. The new home will be 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Assamnet was founded in 1985 at the University of Pennsylvania. It has 
been hosted at the University of Colorado from 1991. Luitporia-net was 
started at the University of Missouri in 1990 by Dr. Dipankar Medhi. 
Assamnet and Luitporianet became one in 1998. Since then it has been 
hosted at the University of Colorado. We thank the University of 
Pennsylvania, the University of Missouri and the University of Colorado 
for having given us this opportunity to bring together the Assamese 
diaspora from around the world.


The objective of Assamnet is to bring together people with interest in 
all aspects of Assam, be it social, cultural, religious, educational, 
political or anything at all, so that written discussions and debates 
can take place without  fear and censorship of any kind. In Assam 
itself, it is very difficult openly to discuss many issues of vital 
concern to Assam.


However, we have had issues in Assamnet in the past. Although this is 
normal when a few hundred people constantly participate in spirited 
discussions, we must exercise caution so that discussions and debates 
can take place in a manner wherein widest participation is possible. 
For example, a few years ago several people were removed from the list 
for using unacceptable sexual language during discussions and debates. 
In addition, Assamnet will not allow anyone to recruit people for 
violent activities of any kind. However, peaceful and respectful 
discussion of any topic is welcome.


We will send out an email when we make this transition to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] We are finishing up the details of the move and it 
will take place soon. Once that happens, instead of sending email to 
assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu, you will send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It 
will be a new and befitting place to Assamnet after almost 15 years at 
the University of Colorado.


Thank you!

Jugal Kalita (Colorado), Saurav Pathak (Pennsylvania) and Babul Gogoi 
(Delhi)

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RE: [Assam] Boga Baduli and BPO Boom--Part 1

2005-08-22 Thread Swapnali_S

Sir,

I agree with you. If not knowing English is a huge
handicap, learning wrong English is another handicap. In India almost
everybody will use the phrase "where do you put up?" meaning "where do you
live". And that put me in trouble when I was in US. Again the level of English
may differ from one Indian to another depending on one's educational and
family background.

Definitelyone's mother tongue is always a
'must' for all of us. While workingin Citibank for their US
customers I found that the ATT langauge line that the bank used for
customers who arenot fluent in English, had all major indian languages (not
assamese) like Hindi, Bengali, Tamil, Punjabi etc.Numerous times I found
some Indian customers who were fluent in English yet went for the language line
just because they wanted to speak in their mother
tongue.

Swapnali

Hi Swapanali,

I think you have done a pretty goood job in writting your thoughts.
Language seems to have had its most profound effects in India. While one's mother tongue is always a 'must' for all
of us, it need not be at the expense (or instead of)of English or even
other languages. In fact, the not knowing English is a huge handicap.

I have been lucky in the fact that I have been able to pick up 7 or 8
Indian languages, and pass off a 'local' in in number of them. That advantage
really helped me a great deal travelling in India. I wish, I could have picked
up languages like German, French, and Spanish too.

One thing that strikes me when I listen to a lot of youngsters speaking
English in India is that even though they are articulate, there seems to be a
sense of trying very hard to emulate (rather badly) spoken English from the
West. Slang has replaced good English in many cases. The flow doesn't seem to
smooth.

BTW: At least when we were there, India was considered the only place on
earth where Victorian was still spoken. In fact, it seems, it isn't even spoken
in England.

Speaking of BPOs, one of the big advantages India has while competing with
China for outsourced jobs is the English language.

--Ram

On 8/21/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Everybody,
My association with this group isn't very old. It
started 2 and half years back when my previous company sent a group of 30
people to Texas for training. And the plethora of information given by this
group helped the entire group tremendously. After that I have been a sporadic
visitor of this group.
The other day I was reading the Prime Minister's
speech in Oxford where he mentioned about the most important British legacy,
the English language and about their modern school systems. http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/nic/0046/pmspeech.htm
. A Times of India
columnist once wrote that it's only for the Tamil crusaders that English
stayed in India despite the onslaught of Hindi Imperialism that started right
after Independence. Hence all the kudos for the Indian BPO success should go
to the Tamilians !
Another article that re-shaped my thinking process
was the one I read (rather my mother read it aloud to me and my
sister) in Prantik (an Assmese magazine) almost 16/17 years back,
where a well settled NRA called the Assamese families who sent their kids to
English medium schools as "boga baduli" (white bat) which is a bizarre
epiphany. (Though I am not very certain about the writer's name, the
"Prantik" edition with that article still could be found in my book shelf back
home provided my mother hasn't sold those old copies) This was said
having found by the NRA writer that certain English medium educated
Guwahati kids spoke worse Assamese than his own USA born and brought up
kids. The article highly influenced my mother who is a teacher in a school
named after the great martyr of "baxa andulon" Anil Bora. Once
mother also told us how the Assamese had to fight to have Assamese as the
official language of the state. The memory of that cataclysmic event was still
fresh among the elders then. It was our father who put all our three kids in
that English medium school in our town which was another legacy
left by the colonial Brits and he expected us to imbibe some of their
qualities like discipline, time management etc and definitely to learn
English better. The following year my mother re-enrolled all her three kids in
local vernacular school. While my siblings continued, I was not able to cope
up with the difference, not for a single day and went back to my alma mater
the very next day. However through out my student life I made sure I am
equally proficient in "Oxomiya" like my siblings and many a times outdid them

RE: [Assam] NYTimes.com: Politicized Scholars Put Evolution on the Defensive/ Eureka, MIT's AI

Dear Mike,

Charles Darwin was also a Wester scientist like the ones mentioned in the artcle. The development of scientific knowledge takes place on the assumption that the current scientific theories are only the best available explanation to cover the facts known currently. Hence, in light of new discoveries theories are constantly rewritten.
Charles Darwin did a magnificant research in South America and elsewhere and propounded his theory which not not accpeted till 30 years after his death (you can see a PBS documentary on it " Darwin's dangerous idea " or order a DVD online).

However, since so many current scientists of Discovery Institute etc are not happy with Darwin's Evolution theory it is notunreasonable to discuss the issue totry to get a better theory.

I happened to visit MIT's Museum this summer - mostly on their work on their cutting edge work onArtificial Intelligence and robotics. I was suprised how little we have achieved after 50 years of research, even which childhood geniuses there - one of whomgraduated from Harvard with a PhD at age 19!!

Right now we are not able to simulate the movements or a cockroach - in robots. Their lab seems to have made good progress in using computer imaging for looking into human organs while doing surgery.

So if a coackroach's movements areso complex to understand how much more complex are humans. So these Intelligent Design proponents seem to have a point there. They say that even if single celled creatures came about thru natural processes - such as proper mix of chemicals and perhaps some lightening effect (maybe like the transformation of Peter Parker into Spiderman) -they say - it is unlikely that complex human beings could have evolved from them in millions of years.

For some reason, nearly all religions think (incl. Hindus and Christians) that humans are the highest level of animals in the universe.

However, if we look at the aspect of human mind's sharpness - which led to the modern inventions and discoveries -- till 40,000 years ago - not very long if you go by standards of evolution or life development - humans were not much brighter than cro-magnan man. In the Nile valley in current day Egypt - human brains got sharpened by their interest in making beads - for decoration and perhaps trade (as per a PBS documentary - DVD available online) . It was then that humans left Africa and moved to Asia and elsewhere. Then, the process of brainy humans started. So, if in ONLY 40,000 years humans can sharpen their brains so much and do so much -- where does the question of some God or Super Intelligent being's involvement come into question.

So, reiterating, when human brain can evolve so fast in just 40,000 years is it not exteremely plausible that complext organisms could evolve from single celled organisms in MILLIONS of years. I think it is very very likely. So I believe the Darwin was right.

However, I also believe that God exists. So I was thinking about God's role in the process. I do not know Mike whether you beleive in God but if you do - like me -- then you must realize that many of our actions are guided by God's grace and the results of our actions - have a great chance of luck (or God's gift/mercy). As Krishna says in Geeta - you do your actions/Karma and don't worry about the results (I'll/God'll take care of them). I really do not quite follow the logic of Karma other than that we must do what we feel is right .

My point is that even our actions -- such as Archimedes discovering his principle of floatation and shouting Eureka!! from his bath tub -- was a spark in the mind. A thought. What generated that thought. Current day science (including artificial intelligence technology) has no idea about these sparks. I would say that God generated that spark or Eureka.

In that sense I believe that God or a higher being helps us in our quest to improve our lives by giving us our sparks of wisdom - a reward for our Karma /actions inintense puruit of truth. This it is possible that God helped in rewarding individual simple living organisms of the distant past adapt and evolve into thosemore complex and better adapted to survive in the changingworld.

Now the question whether God exists is an old one. Many have asked including Swami Vivekanand - who later became convinced from his spiritual experience due to an old devotee who later became his Guru. Further, lost of miracles ahve been witnessed and documented in both India , the Europe and elsewhere - whereby some saints neither eat food nor drinkany liquid - just survive on air - supposedly tested by scientists also. They survive through God's grace etc etc.

So I would say that humans could certainly evolve from single celled organisms - in many million years - however, God or some superior creature may have played a part as a catalyst - along the way - rewarding those organisms develop superior features -who tried harder!!

What are your views? Do not say that theories need to be

[Assam] Harvard MBA Newsletter: The Hard Work of Analyzing Failure

Could help analyse why India was a slave nation for so long.

UmeshHBS Working Knowledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 Note to our readers:Our site was temporarily offline for parts of the weekend for maintenance work.We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.Sean Silverthorne,Editor, HBS Working Knowledge
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Re: [Assam] To better serve, assamnet will move to [EMAIL PROTECTED] soon

Hi Jugal,

Congratulations to all of you including Saurav, Dipu, Babul and others who have made Assam net a lively place for spirited discussions.

We can consider this a milestone, where we have a free and cordial exchange of ideas. Keep up the great work.

--Ram da
On 8/22/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello everyone,Assamnet will move some time soon to a new home. The new home will be
[EMAIL PROTECTED].Assamnet was founded in 1985 at the University of Pennsylvania. It hasbeen hosted at the University of Colorado from 1991. Luitporia-net wasstarted at the University of Missouri in 1990 by Dr. Dipankar Medhi.
Assamnet and Luitporianet became one in 1998. Since then it has beenhosted at the University of Colorado. We thank the University ofPennsylvania, the University of Missouri and the University of Coloradofor having given us this opportunity to bring together the Assamese
diaspora from around the world.The objective of Assamnet is to bring together people with interest inall aspects of Assam, be it social, cultural, religious, educational,political or anything at all, so that written discussions and debates
can take place withoutfear and censorship of any kind. In Assamitself, it is very difficult openly to discuss many issues of vitalconcern to Assam.However, we have had issues in Assamnet in the past. Although this is
normal when a few hundred people constantly participate in spiriteddiscussions, we must exercise caution so that discussions and debatescan take place in a manner wherein widest participation is possible.For example, a few years ago several people were removed from the list
for using unacceptable sexual language during discussions and debates.In addition, Assamnet will not allow anyone to recruit people forviolent activities of any kind. However, peaceful and respectfuldiscussion of any topic is welcome.
We will send out an email when we make this transition to[EMAIL PROTECTED]. We are finishing up the details of the move and itwill take place soon. Once that happens, instead of sending email to
assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu, you will send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Itwill be a new and befitting place to Assamnet after almost 15 years at
the University of Colorado.Thank you!Jugal Kalita (Colorado), Saurav Pathak (Pennsylvania) and Babul Gogoi(Delhi)Assamnet administrators
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Re: [Assam] To better serve, assamnet will move to [EMAIL PROTECTED] soon

Title: Re: [Assam] To better serve, assamnet will move to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Ram:


My feelings likewise.


You and I and so many of us here, often get into passionate
debates. There are times we even lose it and get angry. But still
there is a common bond of caring and mutual respect as fellow
Oxomiyas, who feel deeply about Assam's welfare.

But would you know that one of us, from right here in the USA,
has attempted to sabotage and destroy this forum of ours? This person
has written under a pseudonym, to the University, against Jugal and
against Assam Net, characterizing it as harboring a 'terrorist cell'
or some garbage akin to that.

What do Netters think of that? What should we say to this
despicable character, who used to post venom filled and extremist
views right here ? He might still be lurking among us, like the coward
he is, under his own name; even though we have not seen the pseudonym
he used to post under in recent months.

c-da









At 4:21 PM -0500 8/22/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Hi Jugal,

Congratulations to all of you including
Saurav, Dipu, Babul and others who have made Assam net a lively place
for spirited discussions.

We can consider this a milestone, where
we have a free and cordial exchange of ideas. Keep up the great
work.

--Ram da


On 8/22/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello everyone,

Assamnet will move some time soon to a new home. The new home will
be
 [EMAIL PROTECTED].

Assamnet was founded in 1985 at the University of Pennsylvania. It
has
been hosted at the University of Colorado from 1991. Luitporia-net
was
started at the University of Missouri in 1990 by Dr. Dipankar
Medhi.
Assamnet and Luitporianet became one in 1998. Since then it has
been
hosted at the University of Colorado. We thank the University of
Pennsylvania, the University of Missouri and the University of
Colorado
for having given us this opportunity to bring together the
Assamese
diaspora from around the world.

The objective of Assamnet is to bring together people with interest
in
all aspects of Assam, be it social, cultural, religious,
educational,
political or anything at all, so that written discussions and
debates
can take place withoutfear and censorship of any kind. In
Assam
itself, it is very difficult openly to discuss many issues of
vital
concern to Assam.

However, we have had issues in Assamnet in the past. Although this
is
normal when a few hundred people constantly participate in
spirited
discussions, we must exercise caution so that discussions and
debates
can take place in a manner wherein widest participation is
possible.
For example, a few years ago several people were removed from the
list
for using unacceptable sexual language during discussions and
debates.
In addition, Assamnet will not allow anyone to recruit people for
violent activities of any kind. However, peaceful and respectful
discussion of any topic is welcome.

We will send out an email when we make this transition to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]. We are
finishing up the details of the move and it
will take place soon. Once that happens, instead of sending email
to
assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu,
you will send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. It
will be a new and befitting place to Assamnet after almost 15 years
at
the University of Colorado.

Thank you!

Jugal Kalita (Colorado), Saurav Pathak (Pennsylvania) and Babul
Gogoi
(Delhi)
Assamnet administrators



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RE: [Assam] To better serve, assamnet will move to [EMAIL PROTECTED] soon

2005-08-22 Thread Alpana B. Sarangapani

Thanks for the history of Assamnet and Luitporianet, Jugal. Iwas just a little confused before thinkingthat Debu and you started both parellelly and then merged. Now I know, it did merge but were started in two different times. 
Good to know that Assamnet will be even better. Thats what we want, Assamnet to continue flourishing. It is just so unique and popular that peopleend upcoming back here again and again.
Ithank you, Saurav and Babuland send our 'hiya-bhora xubhesya' to you all for giving us the opportunity to stay connected. 
Sincerely,
- Alpana Baideu.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: [Assam] To better serve, assamnet will move to [EMAIL PROTECTED] soonDate: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:23:59 -0400Hello everyone,Assamnet will move some time soon to a new home. The new home will be [EMAIL PROTECTED]Assamnet was founded in 1985 at the University of Pennsylvania. It has been hosted at the University of Colorado from 1991. Luitporia-net was started at the University of Missouri in 1990 by Dr. Dipankar Medhi. Assamnet and Luitporianet became one in 1998. Since then it has been hosted at the University of Colorado. We thank the University of Pennsylvania, the University of Missouri and the University of Colorado for having given us this opportunity to bring together the 
Assamese diaspora from around the world.The objective of Assamnet is to bring together people with interest in all aspects of Assam, be it social, cultural, religious, educational, political or anything at all, so that written discussions and debates can take place without fear and censorship of any kind. In Assam itself, it is very difficult openly to discuss many issues of vital concern to Assam.However, we have had issues in Assamnet in the past. Although this is normal when a few hundred people constantly participate in spirited discussions, we must exercise caution so that discussions and debates can take place in a manner wherein widest participation is possible. For example, a few years ago several people were removed from the list for using unacceptable sexual language 
during discussions and debates. In addition, Assamnet will not allow anyone to recruit people for violent activities of any kind. However, peaceful and respectful discussion of any topic is welcome.We will send out an email when we make this transition to [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are finishing up the details of the move and it will take place soon. Once that happens, instead of sending email to assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu, you will send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It will be a new and befitting place to Assamnet after almost 15 years at the University of Colorado.Thank you!Jugal Kalita (Colorado), Saurav Pathak (Pennsylvania) and Babul Gogoi (Delhi)Assamnet 
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Re: [Assam] To better serve, assamnet will move to [EMAIL PROTECTED] soon

Jugal-da,

It is a positive development. So many new members have joined now and discussions have imporved with fresh blood/views.
C-da, it is intriguing about the person you mention using a psuedonym. Why not carry out another email address check on that individual and take action .

UmeshChan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ram:

My feelings likewise.

You and I and so many of us here, often get into passionate debates. There are times we even lose it and get angry. But still there is a common bond of caring and mutual respect as fellow Oxomiyas, who feel deeply about Assam's welfare.

But would you know that one of us, from right here in the USA, has attempted to sabotage and destroy this forum of ours? This person has written under a pseudonym, to the University, against Jugal and against Assam Net, characterizing it as harboring a 'terrorist cell' or some garbage akin to that.

What do Netters think of that? What should we say to this despicable character, who used to post venom filled and extremist views right here ? He might still be lurking among us, like the coward he is, under his own name; even though we have not seen the pseudonym he used to post under in recent months.

c-da

At 4:21 PM -0500 8/22/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Hi Jugal,

Congratulations to all of you including Saurav, Dipu, Babul and others who have made Assam net a lively place for spirited discussions.

We can consider this a milestone, where we have a free and cordial exchange of ideas. Keep up the great work.

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[Assam] Test of Democracy - Indian Express

If a movement shies away from testing its own legitimacy, it becomesmerely 
self-serving. Its own claims to be fighting for justice, or forthe rights of 
the people, simply become self-confirming assumptions,with no accountability to 
anyone.  IE
Really, very little else need to be said about insurgent groups in the country
--Ram__ Test of democracy The prime minister 
has thrown a challenge to Naxalite groups An important question about the 
legitimacy of the Naxal movement hasbeen raised by Prime Minister Manmohan 
Singh. He has punctured thebasic pretension that Naxalites in this country have 
long held, thattheirs is a popular movement. He has asked them to prove 
theirpopularity by joining the electoral process and not through violentand 
intimidating acts. In doing so, the prime minister has also drawnattention to a 
paradox that lies at the heart of so many violentmovements which claim to 
represent the people. These movements can doeverything but face the people in 
an open contest.
The political process is often full of shortcomings, and does notunambiguously 
express the will of the people. But it does not followfrom this fact that any 
group can claim the mantle of representing thepeople, their needs and 
aspirations, simply by trumpeting loudly thatthey are fighting for the people. 
Even if the grievances that theNaxals draw upon truly exist, their means, 
methods and policies needto be subject to some test to ascertain their 
legitimacy. For all itsinfirmities, electoral democracy is one of the few means 
ofadjudicating any claims to represent the people. If a movement shiesaway from 
testing its own legitimacy, it becomes merely self-serving.Its own claims to be 
fighting for justice, or for the rights of thepeople, simply become 
self-confirming assumptions, with noaccountability to anyone.
The prime minister is challenging a movement, that claims to befighting for 
justice, to subject itself to the test of democracy. Indoing so, he is also 
displaying great confidence in an open politicalprocess, by suggesting that the 
media should be allowed to interactwith any political group. But no democracy 
can and ought to tolerateits own subversion. The subversion is all the more 
insidious when donein the name of the people. Participating in the democratic 
processcomes with some unavoidable conditions. It requires abjuring violence,it 
requires respecting the integrity of a political process. The primeminister's 
call to the Naxals, therefore, is both a warning that theyhave to give up 
violence, and a challenge to them to prove what theyclaim for themselves — 
popular support.  

URL: http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=76768
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Re: [Assam] Test of Democracy - Indian Express

Thats a brilliant observation. That is the real meaning of democracy and self rule.

UmeshRam Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"If a movement shies away from testing its own legitimacy, it becomesmerely self-serving. Its own claims to be fighting for justice, or forthe rights of the people, simply become self-confirming assumptions,with no accountability to anyone. " IEReally, very little else need to be said about insurgent groups in the country--Ram__ Test of democracy The prime minister has thrown a challenge to Naxalite groups An important question about the legitimacy of the Naxal movement hasbeen raised by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. He has punctured thebasic pretension that Naxalites in this country have long held, thattheirs is a popular movement. He has asked them to prove theirpopularity by joining the electoral process and not through violentand intimidating acts. In doing so, the prime minister has also drawnattention to a paradox that lies at th!
e heart
of so many violentmovements which claim to represent the people. These movements can doeverything but face the people in an open contest.The political process is often full of shortcomings, and does notunambiguously express the will of the people. But it does not followfrom this fact that any group can claim the mantle of representing thepeople, their needs and aspirations, simply by trumpeting loudly thatthey are fighting for the people. Even if the grievances that theNaxals draw upon truly exist, their means, methods and policies needto be subject to some test to ascertain their legitimacy. For all itsinfirmities, electoral democracy is one of the few means ofadjudicating any claims to represent the people. If a movement shiesaway from testing its own legitimacy, it becomes merely self-serving.Its own claims to be fighting for justice, or for the rights of thepeople, simply become self-confirming assumptions, with noaccountability to anyone.The prime minister is
challenging a movement, that claims to befighting for justice, to subject itself to the test of democracy. Indoing so, he is also displaying great confidence in an open politicalprocess, by suggesting that the media should be allowed to interactwith any political group. But no democracy can and ought to tolerateits own subversion. The subversion is all the more insidious when donein the name of the people. Participating in the democratic processcomes with some unavoidable conditions. It requires abjuring violence,it requires respecting the integrity of a political process. The primeminister's call to the Naxals, therefore, is both a warning that theyhave to give up violence, and a challenge to them to prove what theyclaim for themselves popular support. URL: http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=76768___Assam mailing
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