subject:"RE\: \[Assam\] Bollywood Tantrums \: Kapoor's broken marriage"

Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's broken marriage

2005-08-12 Thread Ram Sarangapani

Umesh,

 I was wondering why all of a sudden so many NRAs have started feeling 
 offended by my mails

It was definitely NOT sudden. Hints were thrown your way a number of
times. Many of us were more 'uncomfortable' to say the least reading
some of your postings.

 I
 realized that perhaps my observations on the behavior of some US based NRI
 kids has been responsible for this sudden spurt.

Wrong again. It was/is your obsession with the 'sex lives' and weird
life styles of others. Why do you think your recent article for the
was Newsletter was not accepted.

I do not see any link to religion  here.

That was a reference to when you first started posting in these
columns - when you were in India. One cannot be blatantly supportive
of everything Hindu, specially in the light of Godhra and other
Hindu/Muslim conflicts. A true Hindu would condemn the wrongs Hinduism
and its practice all the time and without excuses. In essence you have
to be fair in your analyses.

Those are serious topics, and when we try to be be judgemental in a
public forum, it must be dealt with finesse and sensitivity. Unlike
other places, Assam has been free of Hindu/Muslim frictions.

 I guess my mails on some NRI kids lifestyles hurt sensibilities of many on 
 this forum.

Why do you assume that. Many NRI kids have excelled in many fields. In
many ways, NRI kids do not come with many a hangup that comes with the
desi kids. There are the good, the bad and ugly on both sides. So it
was unfair of you to single out just the NRI kids.

--Ram da



On 8/11/05, umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 C-da,
  
  
 I have been late in responding to your mail becos today I was wondering why
 all of a sudden so many NRAs have started feeling offended by my mails. I
 realized that perhaps my observations on the behavior of some US based NRI
 kids has been responsible for this sudden spurt. I must say noone told me
 about such things possible in USA so I was at a loss - and sought advice
 from those already based here for long.  I do not see any link to religion
 here.
  
 I guess I should limit my discussion to education and economic development
 in Assam or India as a whole and not express opinions  on the hallowed
 lifestyles of US based NRIs. 
 This reminds me of the furore created by the films Water, Fire etc when
 focus was on treatment of widows and life of housewives on some Indian
 homes. It hurt sensibilities of most Indians. I guess my mails on some NRI
 kids lifestyles hurt sensibilities of many on this forum.
  
 I think I will keep quiet about NRI kids behavior - atleast on this forum.
 But you never commented on my article on IMDT either. Any views??
  
 Umesh
 
 Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi Umesh:
 
 
 The Assam Netters have been very accommodating to you, considering you are a
 gate-crasher with an agenda. Remember how I got on your case about your
 anti-Muslim posts to Assam Net and those who echo your sentiments, although
 very un-Assamese like, came to your defense, on grounds of free speech? Free
 speech, incidentally is a privilege, not a right, in a private e-mail list
 such as Assam Net.
 
 It is obvious you don't pick things up too well. Your preoccupation with
 sexual habits of 'white' Americans or NRI children, Bollywood personalities,
 wealth and social mores of NRI children and your half-baked assessments and
 broad-brush judgements of people on skimpy evidence, speaks more of your
 maturity than subjects of your judgment; Harvard Grad School of Ed not
 withstanding.
 
 I have no problems understanding your affected interests in Assam and the
 Assamese. But it will do you well to listen and adjust your modus operandi
 in Assam Net. Your attitudes and mind-set are fairly alien to the Assamese
 one, if you have not yet noticed.
 
 Take care.
 
 cm
 
 
 PS: Hi Saswati: Good to hear from you. Hope things are going well for you..
 Assam net is a self subscribing/un-subscribing list these days. I hope you
 won't leave, but participate. Say Hi to Babul. Best.--c'da
 
 
 
 
 
 At 11:49 PM +0100 8/10/05, umesh sharma wrote:
 Dear Tridip,
  
 You have already started the good work!!! -- by contributing to its
 discussions. It would be interesting to hear from your experience in
 Lucknow.
  
 Umesh 
 
 tridip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 hi saswati,
  well, guess u got signed in by default ( being a member of ratne..though i
 am not sure if that happened or if that's possible at all..just a guess
 )..as for unsubscribing from the group..i think u should give it a second
 thought...now that u are already a member of the group...i believe u can put
 that to good effecteveryone can play a role hereone can start some
 healthy discussion... issues pertaining to  assam and see what the assamese
 diaspora think about it just an opinion though! having said that lemme
 clarify that i am neither the moderator nor the owner of the group...and to
 be honest i am not sure whether i actually did signed up for this

Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's broken marriage

2005-08-12 Thread Amlan Saha


Umesh,

You are just so thick.  I am sorry to say it this way, but you just  
are.  Two years at Harvard did not do anything for you or so it seems.   
You should realise that one of the reasons why people are often  
incensed by your babbles is because of your underlying taunt in almost  
all your emails that somehow all is hunky dory in India, somehow the  
lifestyle of the people in India, no make that Hindu, is better than  
the one you are seeing in the United States, somehow all is so decadent  
outside the India-Hindu realm that everyone ought to look up to the  
Hindu way of life in India to salvage himself or herself.


You forget the fact that one of the very reasons why you are in the  
United States is because you wanted a better life. If all is so great  
back home, then why are you here in the first place? Surely there must  
be something that attracted you to the United States, no? You may  
choose to be in self-denial if you wish you.


Some of your emails tacitly condemn sleeping around in the United  
States, but you forget that at least when people do that both parties  
consent to it and are generally adults.  They are not committing rapes,  
they are not sexually abusing kids, they are not doing it to their own  
daughters neither are they parading their women naked at the village  
panchayat just because they refused to sleep with a member of a higher  
caste - they are just souls who want a good time.  I guess that in the  
hallowed Hindu ways of life, all of the above are better than two  
consenting adults getting to know each other.  Again, you might just  
want to correct me by saying that none of what i listed happens in  
India.  As you wish.


Besides, how much of the American way of life have you grasped anyway?  
You are passing comments while you are ensconced in the villa of your  
Indian friend, attending Indian parties, eating Indian food and i will  
bet my last dollar that your circle of friends (if there is one) is  
largely indian too.  That does not expose you to a lot of American  
lifestyle, does it? How many times have you gone out with a girl who is  
not indian? No, make that how many have you gone out with a girl in the  
first place? I would suggest that you get out of that shell of yours  
and see the world before passing such half baked judgements.


At the very least try to understand the real reason why people might  
have been pissed at your posts.


Amlan.

On 12 Aug 2005, at 05:30, umesh sharma wrote:


C-da,
 
 
I have been late in responding to your mail becos today I was  
wondering why all of a sudden so many NRAs have started feeling  
offended by my mails. I realized that perhaps my observations on the  
behavior of some US based NRI kids has been responsible for this  
sudden spurt. I must say noone told me about such things possible in  
USA so I was at a loss - and sought advice from those already based  
here for long.  I do not see any link to religion here.

 
I guess I should limit my discussion to education and economic  
development in Assam or India as a whole and not express opinions  on  
the hallowed lifestyles of US based NRIs.
This reminds me of the furore created by the films Water, Fire etc  
when focus was on treatment of widows and life of housewives on some  
Indian homes. It hurt sensibilities of most Indians. I guess my mails  
on some NRI kids lifestyles hurt sensibilities of many on this forum.

 
I think I will keep quiet about NRI kids behavior - atleast on this  
forum. But you never commented on my article on IMDT either. Any  
views??

 
Umesh

Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Umesh:


The Assam Netters have been very accommodating to you, considering  
you are a gate-crasher with an agenda. Remember how I got on your  
case about your anti-Muslim posts to Assam Net and those who echo  
your sentiments, although very un-Assamese like, came to your  
defense, on grounds of free speech? Free speech, incidentally is a  
privilege, not a right, in a private e-mail list such as Assam Net.


It is obvious you don't pick things up too well. Your preoccupation  
with sexual habits of 'white' Americans or NRI children, Bollywood  
personalities, wealth and social mores of NRI children and your  
half-baked assessments and broad-brush judgements of people on skimpy  
evidence, speaks more of your maturity than subjects of your  
judgment; Harvard Grad School of Ed not withstanding.


I have no problems understanding your affected interests in Assam and  
the Assamese. But it will do you well to listen and adjust your modus  
operandi in Assam Net. Your attitudes and mind-set are fairly alien  
to the Assamese one, if you have not yet noticed.


Take care.

cm


PS: Hi Saswati: Good to hear from you. Hope things are going well for  
you.. Assam net is a self subscribing/un-subscribing list these days.  
I hope you won't leave, but participate. Say Hi to Babul. Best.--c'da






At 11:49 PM +0100 8/10/05, umesh sharma

Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's broken marriage

2005-08-12 Thread Chan Mahanta

Title: Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's
broken marriag


Hi Umesh:

Ordinarily I would not have responded to your note, just like so
many Assam Netters don't. Over the years I have found it quite useless
to communicate with you. But since I wrote about your posts I felt I
owe you a response here.

Ram, Amlan, Tridip, Hemav--all explained a lot.

My only addendum here is that I find your propensity to judge
people, religions and cultures, based on, sometimes no more than one
measly sample, pathetically ignorant.

You must have heard the adage that 'little knowledge is a
dangerous thing'. I feel you are a good example of that.

Also your posting of private notes from your love-interests,
rejection notes etc. to Assam Net, and I am sure other lists that you
have gate-crashed into, demonstrates how uncultured you are yourself,
while attempting to judge others.

Your preoccupation with others' sexual habits being repulsive to
a large majority of Assam Netters, is a thinly veiled _expression_ of
your own deprivation and is pathetic. Would you post that sort of
garbage if it were a mailing list of your fellow Rajasthanis? I don't
think you would. But since you assume, these Assamese are alien
creatures, that lack such sensitivities, you indulge in it here.

But all that could be excused. We all learn from better examples.
However in your case, it is different. You do not learn. Perhaps
because you are so intent on teaching others, that you do not notice
what you sorely lack yourself. But you are not unique in that quality.
I have seen quite a few desis like yourself.


Good luck.

c-da


At 4:30 AM +0100 8/12/05, umesh sharma wrote:
C-da,


I have been late in responding to your
mail becos today I was wondering why all of a sudden so many NRAs have
started feeling offended by my mails. I realized that perhaps my
observations on the behavior of some US based NRI kids has been
responsible for this sudden spurt. I must say noone told me about such
things possible in USA so I was at a loss - and sought advice from
those already based here for long. I do not see any link to
religion here.

I guess I should limit my discussion to
education and economic development in Assam or India as a whole and
not express opinions on the hallowed lifestyles of US based
NRIs.
This reminds me of the furore created by
the films Water, Fire etc when focus was on treatment of widows and
life of housewives on some Indian homes. It hurt sensibilities of most
Indians. I guess my mails on some NRI kids lifestyles hurt
sensibilities of many on this forum.

I think I will keep quiet about NRI kids
behavior - atleast on this forum. But you never commented on my
article on IMDT either. Any views??

Umesh

Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Umesh:


The Assam Netters have been very accommodating to you,
considering you are a gate-crasher with an agenda. Remember how I got
on your case about your anti-Muslim posts to Assam Net and those who
echo your sentiments, although very un-Assamese like, came to your
defense, on grounds of free speech? Free speech, incidentally is a
privilege, not a right, in a private e-mail list such as Assam
Net.

It is obvious you don't pick things up too well. Your
preoccupation with sexual habits of 'white' Americans or NRI children,
Bollywood personalities, wealth and social mores of NRI children and
your half-baked assessments and broad-brush judgements of people on
skimpy evidence, speaks more of your maturity than subjects of your
judgment; Harvard Grad School of Ed not withstanding.

I have no problems understanding your affected interests
in Assam and the Assamese. But it will do you well to listen and
adjust your modus operandi in Assam Net. Your attitudes and mind-set
are fairly alien to the Assamese one, if you have not yet
noticed.

Take care.

cm


PS: Hi Saswati: Good to hear from you. Hope things are
going well for you.. Assam net is a self subscribing/un-subscribing
list these days. I hope you won't leave, but participate. Say Hi to
Babul. Best.--c'da





At 11:49 PM +0100 8/10/05, umesh sharma wrote:
Dear Tridip,





You have already started the good work!!! -- by
contributing to its discussions. It would be interesting to hear from
your experience in Lucknow.



Umesh

tridip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

hi saswati,

well, guess u got signed in by default ( being a
member of ratne..though i am not sure if that happened or if that's
possible at all..just a guess )..as for unsubscribing from the
group..i think u should give it a second thought...now that u are
already a member of the group...i believe u can put that to good
effecteveryone can play a role hereone can start some healthy
discussion... issuespertaining to assam and see what the
assamese diaspora think about it just an opinion though! having
said that lemme clarify that i am neither the moderator nor the owner
of the group...and to be honest i am not sure whether i actually did
signed up for this group or

Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's broken marriage

2005-08-12 Thread Alpana B. Sarangapani

I think I will keep quiet about NRI kids behavior - atleast on this forum. But you never 
The problem is not exactly there, Umesh-ji. You are portraying as ifsome kids you metare behaving like this because they are NRI kids. Did you take a survey of all NRI kids to see if all of them behave the same way that you are thinking?
Though a big part depends on what society one lives in, behavior of aperson alsodependson family background and the values that he/she grows up with.
I know of 'fresh off the board kids' that landed fromIndia or elsewhere,going haywire, who, sadly but apparently thought "that is Aamrika", "that is the civilized west", and that is the only way toshow ofhavinga broad mind. Forget that, there are deshi kids inside the "desh" itself that behave like the "NRI kids" that you mentioned, what about some kids that are still living on the pure soil of India even now? I hear, read on newspapers/magazines, andsee themonsatellite deshi channelsall the time. 
What you have seen of NRI kids, we have seen or heard of deshi kids too. Inspite of all these, I am not inspired to generalize and label all the deshi kids (or the NRI kids or anybody in general) as some unruly kids with uncontrollable  indecent behavior. 
I just wondered what made you generalize the NRI kids that way which is surprising and the description is just unbearable. I thought you knew better than to draw a conclusion on a whole group of people just by meeting a few here and there.



From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED], tridip [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's "broken" marriageDate: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 04:30:44 +0100 (BST)C-da,I have been late in responding to your mail becos today I was wondering why all of a sudden so many NRAs have started feeling offended by my mails. I realized that perhaps my observations on the behavior of some US based NRI kids has been responsible for this sudden spurt. I must say noone told me about such things possible in USA so I was at a loss - and sought advice from those already based here for long. I do not see any link to religion here.I guess I should 
limit my discussion to education and economic development in Assam or India as a whole and not express opinions on the hallowed lifestyles of US based NRIs.This reminds me of the furore created by the films Water, Fire etc when focus was on treatment of widows and life of housewives on some Indian homes. It hurt sensibilities of most Indians. I guess my mails on some NRI kids lifestyles hurt sensibilities of many on this forum.I think I will keep quiet about NRI kids behavior - atleast on this forum. But you never commented on my article on IMDT either. Any views??UmeshChan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Umesh:The Assam Netters have been very accommodating to you, considering you are a gate-crasher with an agenda. Remember how I got on your case about your anti-Muslim 
posts to Assam Net and those who echo your sentiments, although very un-Assamese like, came to your defense, on grounds of free speech? Free speech, incidentally is a privilege, not a right, in a private e-mail list such as Assam Net.It is obvious you don't pick things up too well. Your preoccupation with sexual habits of 'white' Americans or NRI children, Bollywood personalities, wealth and social mores of NRI children and your half-baked assessments and broad-brush judgements of people on skimpy evidence, speaks more of your maturity than subjects of your judgment; Harvard Grad School of Ed not withstanding.I have no problems understanding your affected interests in Assam and the Assamese. But it will do you well to listen and adjust your modus operandi in Assam Net. Your attitudes and mind-set are fairly alien to the Assamese one, if you 
have not yet noticed.Take care.cmPS: Hi Saswati: Good to hear from you. Hope things are going well for you.. Assam net is a self subscribing/un-subscribing list these days. I hope you won't leave, but participate. Say Hi to Babul. Best.--c'daAt 11:49 PM +0100 8/10/05, umesh sharma wrote:Dear Tridip, You have already started the good work!!! -- by contributing to its discussions. It would be interesting to hear from your experience in Lucknow. Umeshtridip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:hi saswati, well, guess u got signed in by default ( being a member of ratne..though i am not sure if that happened or if that's possible at all..just a guess )..as for unsubscribing from 
the group..i think u should give it a second thought...now that u are already a member of the group...i believe u can put that to good effecteveryone can play a role hereone can start some healthy discussion... issues pertaining to assam and see what the assamese diaspora think about it just an opinion though! having said that lemme clarify that i am neither the moderator nor the owner of the group...and to be honest i am not sure whether i actually did

Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's broken marriage

2005-08-12 Thread umesh sharma

Alpana-ji,

I would again stress that I have indeed met scores of NRI kids at Harvard - in my classes and otherwise --who are leading students at Harvard and MIT. But that said -- there are some things I did not like about SOME NRI kid(s) or Indian immigrant to US. I presented - a case study - for discussion. For some reason everyone thought that I was labellling ALL NRI kids as wanting.

I said "I guess my mails on some NRI kids lifestyles hurt sensibilities of many on this forum."

My comment on the films Water and Fire were also in this context - becos these films portrayed the problems faced by SOME real widows and monotony of housewives in INDIA. These were real problems - so the movie was justified - to highlight them. Similarly I reasoned that I was justified in highlighting theproblems faced by SOME NRI kids or NRIimmigrants --such as lack of sex education or parental or community support.

Umesh

PS: C-da and Amlan-da,
I have never said that India is heaven and rest of the world is hell -- I have even talked on this forum about my mother getting beaten by my father and my cousin being poisoned by his wife. Maybe all of us are not comfortable discussing such issues.




"Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I think I will keep quiet about NRI kids behavior - atleast on this forum. But you never 
The problem is not exactly there, Umesh-ji. You are portraying as ifsome kids you metare behaving like this because they are NRI kids. Did you take a survey of all NRI kids to see if all of them behave the same way that you are thinking?
Though a big part depends on what society one lives in, behavior of aperson alsodependson family background and the values that he/she grows up with.
I know of 'fresh off the board kids' that landed fromIndia or elsewhere,going haywire, who, sadly but apparently thought "that is Aamrika", "that is the civilized west", and that is the only way toshow ofhavinga broad mind. Forget that, there are deshi kids inside the "desh" itself that behave like the "NRI kids" that you mentioned, what about some kids that are still living on the pure soil of India even now? I hear, read on newspapers/magazines, andsee themonsatellite deshi channelsall the time. 
What you have seen of NRI kids, we have seen or heard of deshi kids too. Inspite of all these, I am not inspired to generalize and label all the deshi kids (or the NRI kids or anybody in general) as some unruly kids with uncontrollable  indecent behavior. 
I just wondered what made you generalize the NRI kids that way which is surprising and the description is just unbearable. I thought you knew better than to draw a conclusion on a whole group of people just by meeting a few here and there.



From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED], tridip [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's "broken" marriageDate: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 04:30:44 +0100 (BST)C-da,I have been late in responding to your mail becos today I was wondering why all of a sudden so many NRAs have started feeling offended by my mails. I realized that perhaps my observations on the behavior of some US based NRI kids has been responsible for this sudden spurt. I must say noone told me about such things possible in USA so I was at a loss - and sought advice from those already based here for long. I do not see any link to religion here.I guess I should limit my discussion to education and economic development in Assam or India as a whole and!
 not
 express opinions on the hallowed lifestyles of US based NRIs.This reminds me of the furore created by the films Water, Fire etc when focus was on treatment of widows and life of housewives on some Indian homes. It hurt sensibilities of most Indians. I guess my mails on some NRI kids lifestyles hurt sensibilities of many on this forum.I think I will keep quiet about NRI kids behavior - atleast on this forum. But you never commented on my article on IMDT either. Any views??UmeshChan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Umesh:The Assam Netters have been very accommodating to you, considering you are a gate-crasher with an agenda. Remember how I got on your case about your anti-Muslim posts to Assam Net and those who echo your sentiments, although very un-Assamese like, came to your defense, on grounds of free speech? Free speech, incidentally is a privilege, not a r!
ight, in
 a private e-mail list such as Assam Net.It is obvious you don't pick things up too well. Your preoccupation with sexual habits of 'white' Americans or NRI children, Bollywood personalities, wealth and social mores of NRI children and your half-baked assessments and broad-brush judgements of people on skimpy evidence, speaks more of your maturity than subjects of your judgment; Harvard Grad School of Ed not withstanding.I have no problems understanding your affected interests in Assam and the Assamese. But it will do you well to listen and adjust

Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's broken marriage

2005-08-12 Thread Alpana B. Sarangapani

Once more, Umesh-ji, just once more I will say this before I rest my case.
I said "I guess my mails on some NRI kids lifestyles hurt sensibilities of many on this forum."
and I said they are doing whatever you saw NOT because they are NRI kids but because they areWHAT THEY ARE.
I would again stress that I have indeed met scores of NRI kids at Harvard - in my classes and otherwise --who are leading students at Harvard and MIT. But that said -- there are some things I
Of course you have, you attended Harvard for a year, didn't you? We haveNRI kids from not only Harvard and MIT but from all the schools here and overseas andeach onediffers in behavior. so?
Didnt' someone say that taking a few degrees or not,from wherever doesn't make one "educated"? Decency has to come from inside, and it is not necessarily about doing anything physically,but also about discussing it in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Can you leave the detailed and vulgar description of these incidents?
We don't want to see you bringing down your family members here either, just to make a rather silly point. 
Other than this, I wish you good luck in whatever you are trying to do. I know how tough it is, though you have an advantage that you have a degree now (I know you had one/two from before also), especially from Harvard. I know you will use it to its best. 
From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.eduSubject: Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's "broken" marriageDate: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:40:32 +0100 (BST)Alpana-ji,I would again stress that I have indeed met scores of NRI kids at Harvard - in my classes and otherwise --who are leading students at Harvard and MIT. But that said -- there are some things I did not like about SOME NRI kid(s) or Indian immigrant to US. I presented - a case study - for discussion. For some reason everyone thought that I was labellling ALL NRI kids as wanting.I said "I guess my mails on some NRI kids lifestyles hurt sensibilities of many on this 
forum."My comment on the films Water and Fire were also in this context - becos these films portrayed the problems faced by SOME real widows and monotony of housewives in INDIA. These were real problems - so the movie was justified - to highlight them. Similarly I reasoned that I was justified in highlighting the problems faced by SOME NRI kids or NRI immigrants --such as lack of sex education or parental or community support.UmeshPS: C-da and Amlan-da,I have never said that India is heaven and rest of the world is hell -- I have even talked on this forum about my mother getting beaten by my father and my cousin being poisoned by his wife. Maybe all of us are not comfortable discussing such issues."Alpana B. Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote: I think I will keep quiet about NRI kids behavior - atleast on this forum. But you neverThe problem is not exactly there, Umesh-ji. You are portraying as if some kids you met are behaving like this because they are NRI kids. Did you take a survey of all NRI kids to see if all of them behave the same way that you are thinking?Though a big part depends on what society one lives in, behavior of a person also depends on family background and the values that he/she grows up with.I know of 'fresh off the board kids' that landed from India or elsewhere, going haywire, who, sadly but apparently thought "that is Aamrika", "that is the civilized west", and that is the only way to show of having a broad mind. Forget that, there are deshi kids inside the "desh" itself that behave like the "NRI kids" that you mentioned, what 
about some kids that are still living on the pure soil of India even now? I hear, read on newspapers/magazines, and see them on satellite deshi channels all the time.What you have seen of NRI kids, we have seen or heard of deshi kids too. Inspite of all these, I am not inspired to generalize and label all the deshi kids (or the NRI kids or anybody in general) as some unruly kids with uncontrollable  indecent behavior.I just wondered what made you generalize the NRI kids that way which is surprising and the description is just unbearable. I thought you knew better than to draw a conclusion on a whole group of people just by meeting a few here and there. From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED], tridip [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu Subject: Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's "broken" marriage Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 04:30:44 +0100 (BST)  C-da,   I have been late in responding to your mail becos today I was wondering why all of a sudden so many NRAs have started feeling offended by my mails. I realized that perhaps my observations on the behavior of some US based NRI kids has been responsible for this s

RE: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's broken marriage

2005-08-11 Thread Chan Mahanta

Title: RE: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's
broken marriag


Wow Rizi, you really dived into Assam net with an astute set of
observations :-).

Yes indeed, Umesh needs a blog site of his own, and assamnet is
definitely not
the right place.


Netters, allow me to introduce my nephew Hemav.


cm








At 9:33 AM +0530 8/11/05, Hemav Mahanta wrote:
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Umesh:

I feel rather uneasy at the glib manner in which you,
especially being within the hallowed portals of the 'erudite', throw
views that are hollow, whenyou should know better, with the
greater benefits and resources ofa Harvardeducation
atyour disposal, that there are not too many human beings on
this planet, with the possible exception of a handful of hermits
trapped inside a Himalayan cave, who do not have any strongly-held
convictions.Everyone has these convictions ofvarying and
variable intensity and strength, to certain basic beliefs, values, or
commitments... most human beings are thus 'fundamentalists' in a way.
But 'fundamentalism' is not a question of forcing your own views upon
people. Indeed, if this were to accepted as a definition of
'fundamentalism', the greatest 'fundamentalists' in history will turn
out to be teacherswho earn their social status and salaries by
telling little impressionable creatures entrusted to their care what
the 'right' thing to do is, and punishing them without compunction
when they beg to disagree...

You also have an obsessive habit of talking about
yourself, primarily because, in most cases, you are well-aware
ofyour own conscious assumptions or points of departure, and
wish to lay them on the table without keeping them too close
toyour chest. (That is probably what you are doing in this very
post, right?)At timesI think probably the reason why you
are always filled with questions for usis
becauseyouare 'testing'us or 'checking' how
muchwe know. If that is indeed whatyou believe,you
would be rather mistaken, for the reason whyyou ask questions is
becauseyou want to know whatwe believe, and whatwe
believe is as much an important factor foryou as
whatyouyourself believe in developing, forming, or
distillingyour views on any issue...

I suppose you havespent so much time trying to
'get under the skin' of other people trying (and, most probably,
failing disastrously) to see the world through their eyes that you
have only recently begun to realise thatyou has no distinctive
views to callyour own; at the most, whatyou have is a
collage, a patchwork, or a mosaic built from the various fragments
left over from the collapse of the monuments of the past. Perhaps that
is whyyour mind is a seething ocean of anarchy
:youare never quite satisfied with quoting that 'A is X';
no sooner have you finished mailing that, thatyou begin to
experience a burst ofyour obsessive compulsive disorder which
tellsyou thatyou must now runand ferret out
anothersource which will telleveryone that 'B is Y'. I now
think that the long-awaited truth is finally out; that, at the end of
the day, you are just one more demagogue or sophist,
thatyouare a 'mere' collection of discarded piles of dusty
books; thatyou can differentiateX with respect to Y but
cannot integrate your 'life' with respect toyour
'opinions'.

There would be much truth in this accusation in my
opinion and Iwould readilyhold youguiltyfor
it. Having done that,you shall also seek, inyour
usualopinionated fashion, to respond to it in the following
manner. If you are looking for a Yes-Man forum, or fora
forum thathas a ready-made blueprint for every problem that is
going to crop up around the corner, or for a group that shall unearth
all the secrets of human existence and lay them bare for you on your
dinner table, you would be well-advised to stay at more than an arm's
length from this list. But if you believe that in some cases the
shortest distance between two points is a straight line, and that in
others, the shortest distance is actually a curve, but you are not
quite sure which case is which, you shall find yourself a person who
has been struggling with this very problem almost allyour
life.

A better forum for your ramblings is the blog
site www.bihu.in/jaipurschool/profile/ because this mailing list,
incidentally, is not a BLOG!!!

Regards,
Hemav



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of
Chan Mahanta
Sent: Wed 8/10/2005 6:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tridip;
assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu
Subject: Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's
broken marriage

Hi Umesh:


The Assam Netters have been very
accommodating to you, considering you are a gate-crasher with an
agenda. Remember how I got on your case about your anti-Muslim posts
to Assam Net and those who echo your sentiments, although very
un-Assamese like, came to your defense, on grounds of free speech?
Free speech, incidentally is a privilege, not a right, in a private
e-mail list such as Assam Net

Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's broken marriage

2005-08-11 Thread Ram Sarangapani

 ramblings is the blog site
 www.bihu.in/jaipurschool/profile/ because this mailing
 list, incidentally, is not a BLOG!!!
  
 Regards,
 Hemav
  
 
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Chan
 Mahanta
 Sent: Wed 8/10/2005 6:26 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tridip; assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu
 Subject: Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's broken marriage
 Hi Umesh:
 
 
 The Assam Netters have been very accommodating to you, considering you are a
 gate-crasher with an agenda. Remember how I got on your case about your
 anti-Muslim posts to Assam Net and those who echo your sentiments, although
 very un-Assamese like, came to your defense, on grounds of free speech? Free
 speech, incidentally is a privilege, not a right, in a private e-mail list
 such as Assam Net.
 
 It is obvious you don't pick things up too well. Your preoccupation with
 sexual habits of 'white' Americans or NRI children, Bollywood personalities,
 wealth and social mores of NRI children and your half-baked assessments and
 broad-brush judgements of people on skimpy evidence, speaks more of your
 maturity than subjects of your judgment; Harvard Grad School of Ed not
 withstanding.
 
 I have no problems understanding your affected interests in Assam and the
 Assamese. But it will do you well to listen and adjust your modus operandi
 in Assam Net. Your attitudes and mind-set are fairly alien to the Assamese
 one, if you have not yet noticed.
 
 Take care.
 
 cm
 
 
 PS: Hi Saswati: Good to hear from you. Hope things are going well for you..
 Assam net is a self subscribing/un-subscribing list these days. I hope you
 won't leave, but participate. Say Hi to Babul. Best.--c'da
 
 
 
 
 
 At 11:49 PM +0100 8/10/05, umesh sharma wrote: 
 Dear Tridip,
  
 You have already started the good work!!! -- by contributing to its
 discussions. It would be interesting to hear from your experience in
 Lucknow.
  
 Umesh 
 
 tridip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 hi saswati,
  well, guess u got signed in by default ( being a member of ratne..though i
 am not sure if that happened or if that's possible at all..just a guess
 )..as for unsubscribing from the group..i think u should give it a second
 thought...now that u are already a member of the group...i believe u can put
 that to good effecteveryone can play a role hereone can start some
 healthy discussion... issues pertaining to  assam and see what the assamese
 diaspora think about it just an opinion though! having said that lemme
 clarify that i am neither the moderator nor the owner of the group...and to
 be honest i am not sure whether i actually did signed up for this group or
 not.since i was receiving all these mails..i thought i might have signed
  
 regards,
 tridip.
 lucknow
 
 umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I find it amusing that u are on it without subscribing to it. Maybe some
 well wisher gifted you a membership.
  
 Umesh
 
 Saswati Bora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Tridip, I echo your sentiments.
  
 However, unlike you, I dont remember signing into this group at all. So
 whoever is the moderator, please unsubscribe me.
  
 Thank you.
 
 
 tridip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 hi umesh,
 i am simply not interested in knowing why ur landlord dont want to marry
 even though he has many girl friends...or how many houses he is the proud
 owner ofor whether he's frank enough not to sign pre-nups oe
 not..and if karishma kapoor has demanded alimony or not...
  
 i didnt sign up in this group to get news about what the celebrities are
 doin' and with whom they are moving around withnor am i interested in
 knowing whether husbands in US hold their wives hands during delivery or
 not
 ..sorry for being harsh with the words but u are spaming my mailbox. please
 think about us mere mortals who have other things to do instead of reading
 and gossiping about ppl who dont affect us at all...( by the way, is their
 any remedy for spaming in the US besides unsubscribing from the group???)
  
 regards,
  
 tridip
 lucknow
 
 umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Money may be a reason for her tantrums - she is demanding 1.2 million
 dollars (Rs 7 crores as alimony it seems
 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1196431,curpg-1.cms
 )
  
 My lanlord and proud owner of 4 houses is extremely concerned about this
 alimony business in US. From himonly I learnt tha in US many couple do not
 marry beocs in the event of a divorce they have to split their assets in
 half. Though my landlord has many girlfriends and even had live in relations
 with some he did not want to lose 2 of his houses by marrying . And he is
 not frank enough to sign a pre-nupital contract -as many hi-fi people do.
  
  
 Umesh
 
 umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
  
 Although it would be callous on my part to speak out against a women who
 recently became a mother and just then having trouble with her marriage --
 but seeing the plight of Karishma Kapoor

Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's broken marriage

2005-08-10 Thread umesh sharma

Money may be a reason for her tantrums - she is demanding 1.2 million dollars (Rs 7 crores as alimony it seems http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1196431,curpg-1.cms)

My lanlord and proud owner of 4 houses is extremely concerned about this alimony business in US. From himonly I learnt tha in US many couple do not marry beocs in the event of a divorce they have to split their assets in half. Though my landlord has many girlfriends and even had live in relations with some he did not want to lose 2 of his houses by marrying . And he is not frank enough to sign a pre-nupital contract -as many hi-fi people do.

Umeshumesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

Although it would be callous on my part to speak out against a women who recently became a mother and just then having trouble with her marriage -- but seeing the plight of Karishma Kapoor - the erstwhile Bollywood super heroine - I am wondering whether she too is blindly aping the West. (as mentioned below)

It is true that a pregnant woman needs to have her husband by her side and her husband was roaming around with some other females to visit night clubs during that period. In US I'm told the wannabe father has to hold to hand of the soon-to-be mother during labor - to soothe her.

However, given the fact that filmy life demands that heroines and heros spend lot of time dancing and kissing with their fellow actors. So if their spouse does the same thing - I do not see that as wrong. I do not hear that her husband was kissing other females --only that he was dancing with other girls in night clubs.

God knows why this is a big issue.
Do you?

Umesh

http://in.rediff.com/movies/2005/aug/09karisma.htm
It's sad when a broken marriage is turned into a soap opera," a close friend of the Kapoors says, referring to the crisis in Karisma's marital life.
An e-mail Karisma apparently sent her husband Sanjay Kapur has had a pandemonium effect in her life.
The long e-mail was reportedly the former actress agonising about how her husband betrayed her. But she cannot understand the media's curiosity about her marital break-up.
Who leaked the e-mail to the press? "It doesn't require Herculean sleuthing abilities to figure that out," remarks the family friend. "The timing of the e-mail and the ensuing restraining order preventing Karisma from taking the baby out of the country, cannot be two unrelated incidents. This is more than a coincidence."
Karisma's husband files case against her
Sister Kareena speaks on her family's behalf, "We've been battered and cornered. What we need is prayers and compassion -- certainly not prying eyes trying to dissect every move we make."
Karisma is too distraught to talk. The unexpected end of her marriage and the ensuing efforts to intimidate her through legal means (once again the critical question: Who leaked out Karisma's deeply personal e-mail to the press?) has shattered her.
Karisma was strong enough to face the media, else she wouldn't have been able to make any categorical statements. Her lawyers have forbidden her from making any statement that could be used against her in court.
But Kareena vows to fight it out.

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Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's broken marriage

2005-08-10 Thread tridip

hi umesh,
i am simply not interested in knowing why ur landlord dont want to marry even though he has many girl friends...or how many houses he is the proud owner ofor whether he's frank enough not to sign pre-nups oe not..and if karishma kapoor has demanded alimony or not...

i didnt sign upin this group to get news about what the celebrities are doin' and with whom they are moving around withnor am i interested in knowing whether husbands in US hold their wives hands during delivery or not
..sorry for being harsh with the words but u are spaming my mailbox. please think about us mere mortals who have other things to do instead of reading and gossiping about ppl who dont affect us at all...( by the way, is their any remedy for spaming in the US besides unsubscribing from the group???)

regards,

tridip
lucknow
umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Money may be a reason for her tantrums - she is demanding 1.2 million dollars (Rs 7 crores as alimony it seems http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1196431,curpg-1.cms)

Umeshumesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

God knows why this is a big issue.
Do you?

Umesh

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Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's broken marriage

2005-08-10 Thread umesh sharma

I find it amusing that u are on it without subscribing to it. Maybe some well wisher gifted you a membership.

UmeshSaswati Bora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Tridip, I echo your sentiments.

However, unlike you, I dont remember signing into this group at all. So whoever is the moderator, please unsubscribe me.

Thank you.
tridip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

regards,

tridip
lucknow
umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Money may be a reason for her tantrums - she is demanding 1.2 million dollars (Rs 7 crores as alimony it seems http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1196431,curpg-1.cms)

Umeshumesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

God knows why this is a big issue.
Do you?

Umesh

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Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's broken marriage

2005-08-10 Thread tridip

hi saswati,
well, guess u got signed in by default ( being a member of ratne..though i am not sure if that happened or if that's possible at all..just a guess )..as for unsubscribing from the group..i think u should give it a second thought...now that u are already a member of the group...i believe u can put that to good effecteveryone can play a role hereone can start some healthy discussion... issuespertaining to assam and see what the assamese diaspora think about it just an opinion though! having said that lemme clarify that i am neither the moderator nor the owner of the group...and to be honest i am not sure whether i actually did signed up for this group or not.since i was receiving all these mails..i thought i might have signed

regards,
tridip.
lucknow
umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I find it amusing that u are on it without subscribing to it. Maybe some well wisher gifted you a membership.

UmeshSaswati Bora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Tridip, I echo your sentiments.

However, unlike you, I dont remember signing into this group at all. So whoever is the moderator, please unsubscribe me.

Thank you.
tridip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

regards,

tridip
lucknow
umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Money may be a reason for her tantrums - she is demanding 1.2 million dollars (Rs 7 crores as alimony it seems http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1196431,curpg-1.cms)

Umeshumesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

God knows why this is a big issue.
Do you?

Umesh

Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's broken marriage

2005-08-10 Thread umesh sharma

Dear Tridip,

You have already started the good work!!! -- by contributing to its discussions. It would be interesting to hear from your experience in Lucknow.

Umeshtridip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

regards,
tridip.
lucknow
umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I find it amusing that u are on it without subscribing to it. Maybe some well wisher gifted you a membership.

UmeshSaswati Bora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Tridip, I echo your sentiments.

However, unlike you, I dont remember signing into this group at all. So whoever is the moderator, please unsubscribe me.

Thank you.
tridip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

regards,

tridip
lucknow
umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Money may be a reason for her tantrums - she is demanding 1.2 million dollars (Rs 7 crores as alimony it seems http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1196431,curpg-1.cms)

Umeshumesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

God knows why this is a big issue.
Do you?

Umesh

Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's broken marriage

2005-08-10 Thread Chan Mahanta

Title: Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's
broken marriag

Hi Umesh:

The Assam Netters have been very accommodating to you,
considering you are a gate-crasher with an agenda. Remember how I got
on your case about your anti-Muslim posts to Assam Net and those who
echo your sentiments, although very un-Assamese like, came to your
defense, on grounds of free speech? Free speech, incidentally is a
privilege, not a right, in a private e-mail list such as Assam
Net.

It is obvious you don't pick things up too well. Your
preoccupation with sexual habits of 'white' Americans or NRI children,
Bollywood personalities, wealth and social mores of NRI children and
your half-baked assessments and broad-brush judgements of people on
skimpy evidence, speaks more of your maturity than subjects of your
judgment; Harvard Grad School of Ed not withstanding.

I have no problems understanding your affected interests in Assam
and the Assamese. But it will do you well to listen and adjust your
modus operandi in Assam Net. Your attitudes and mind-set are fairly
alien to the Assamese one, if you have not yet noticed.

Take care.

PS: Hi Saswati: Good to hear from you. Hope things are going well
for you.. Assam net is a self subscribing/un-subscribing list these
days. I hope you won't leave, but participate. Say Hi to Babul.
Best.--c'da

At 11:49 PM +0100 8/10/05, umesh sharma wrote:
Dear Tridip,

You have already started the good work!!!
-- by contributing to its discussions. It would be interesting to hear
from your experience in Lucknow.

Umesh

tridip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

hi saswati,
well, guess u got signed in by default ( being a
member of ratne..though i am not sure if that happened or if that's
possible at all..just a guess )..as for unsubscribing from the
group..i think u should give it a second thought...now that u are
already a member of the group...i believe u can put that to good
effecteveryone can play a role hereone can start some healthy
discussion... issuespertaining to assam and see what the
assamese diaspora think about it just an opinion though! having
said that lemme clarify that i am neither the moderator nor the owner
of the group...and to be honest i am not sure whether i actually did
signed up for this group or not.since i was receiving all these
mails..i thought i might have signed

regards,
tridip.
lucknow

umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I find it amusing that u are on it without subscribing to
it. Maybe some well wisher gifted you a membership.

Umesh

Saswati Bora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tridip, I echo your sentiments.

However, unlike you, I dont remember signing into this
group at all. So whoever is the moderator, please unsubscribe
me.

Thank you.

tridip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

hi umesh,
i am simply not interested in knowing why ur landlord dont
want to marry even though he has many girl friends...or how many
houses he is the proud owner ofor whether he's frank enough not to
sign pre-nups oe not..and if karishma kapoor has demanded alimony
or not...

i didnt sign upin this group to get news about what
the celebrities are doin' and with whom they are moving around
withnor am i interested in knowing whether husbands in US hold
their wives hands during delivery or not
..sorry for being harsh with the words but u are spaming
my mailbox. please think about us mere mortals who have other things
to do instead of reading and gossiping about ppl who dont affect us at
all...( by the way, is their any remedy for spaming in the US besides
unsubscribing from the group???)

regards,

tridip
lucknow

umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Money may be a reason for her tantrums - she is demanding
1.2 million dollars (Rs 7 crores as alimony it seems http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1196431,curpg-1.cms)

My lanlord and proud owner of 4 houses is extremely
concerned about this alimony business in US. From himonly I learnt tha
in US many couple do not marry beocs in the event of a divorce they
have to split their assets in half. Though my landlord has many
girlfriends and even had live in relations with some he did not want
to lose 2 of his houses by marrying . And he is not frank enough to
sign a pre-nupital contract -as many hi-fi people do.

Umesh

umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,

Although it would be callous on my part to speak out
against a women who recently became a mother and just then having
trouble with her marriage -- but seeing the plight of Karishma Kapoor
- the erstwhile Bollywood super heroine - I am wondering whether she
too is blindly aping the West. (as mentioned below)

It is true that a pregnant woman needs to have her husband
by her side and her husband was roaming around with some other females
to visit night clubs during that period. In US I'm told the wannabe
father has to hold to hand of the soon-to-be mother during labor - to
soothe her.

However, given the fact that filmy life demands that
heroines

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