RE: [Asterisk-Users] SPA-2000's rebooting every hour or so...

2004-10-15 Thread clive
Hi

I have also have the Sipura rebooting itself.
I changed the codec from G723.1 to G729 and this seems to have 
helped fix the problem.

I have the latest firmware...2.0.10(e) I think..??

Hope this helpsstrange stuff though.

regards
Clive


On 14 Oct 2004 at 14:48, Mike Benoit wrote:

 I thought it originally started happening after a firmware upgrade to
 2.0.10e, so I downgraded to 2.0.10d, and the problem continued. 
 
 I'm in the process of moving them to a cooler place and putting a fan
 on them just to rule out overheating, which I've heard can be a
 problem. 
 
 On Thu, 2004-10-14 at 12:36 -0700, Dooz Owings wrote:
  
  try to run a firmware update on one and see if it works, just a guess. What
  all have you tried ?
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Benoit
  Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:36 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [Asterisk-Users] SPA-2000's rebooting every hour or so...
  
  
  I realize this is slightly off-topic here, but I know quite a few people
  on this list use Sipura products. Has anyone else experienced the same
  rebooting problem I'am?
  
  I have about 8 SPA-2000's and about half of them just started rebooting
  4-8times/day in the last month or so. (they used to be rock solid)
  
  I already emailed Sipura support, but they seem to be on strike as of
  late.
  
  Here is the debug output from just one of the devices: (I've trimmed it
  for size, it happens more often than what is shown)
  
  Oct 12 08:18:33 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H73720143
  Oct 12 08:18:33 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H73720143
  Oct 12 08:33:37 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H73720143
  Oct 12 08:33:37 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H73720143
  Oct 12 08:53:52 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H0
  Oct 12 08:53:52 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H0
  Oct 12 21:34:14 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H0
  Oct 13 11:20:55 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H0
  Oct 13 11:28:31 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:C200
  Oct 13 11:28:31 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:C200
  Oct 13 11:48:55 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:C200
  Oct 13 11:48:55 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:C200
  Oct 13 11:53:08 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H0
  Oct 13 11:53:08 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H0
  Oct 13 11:54:23 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:C200
  Oct 13 11:54:23 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:C200
  Oct 13 11:55:15 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:C200
  Oct 13 11:55:15 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:C200
  Oct 13 11:56:46 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:C200
  Oct 13 11:56:46 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:C200
  Oct 13 11:59:05 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:C200
  Oct 13 11:59:05 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:C200
  Oct 13 12:40:58 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H0
  Oct 13 12:40:58 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H0
  Oct 13 14:00:51 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H73720143
  Oct 13 14:00:51 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H73720143
  Oct 13 15:20:54 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H73720143
  Oct 13 15:20:54 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H73720143
  Oct 13 16:44:57 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H0
  Oct 13 16:44:57 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H0
  Oct 13 18:01:03 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H0
  Oct 13 18:01:03 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H0
  Oct 13 19:21:06 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H0
  Oct 13 19:21:06 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H0
  Oct 13 22:01:05 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H73720143
  Oct 13 22:01:05 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H73720143
  Oct 13 23:21:17 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H0
  Oct 13 23:21:17 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H0
  Oct 14 00:41:20 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
  reason:H0
  Oct 14 00:41:20 

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Advice on OS Choice

2004-10-15 Thread Peter Svensson
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, David McNett wrote:

 On 14-Oct-2004, Kevin Walsh wrote:
  Red Hat have embedded their trademark all over their Enterprise
  editions so that they can restrict sales in that way.  Red Hat still
  have an obligation to release the various GPLed components as usual but
  don't have to package the components nor create a downloadable CD ISO
  image.
 
 While this is correct, it is only half the story.  The EULA on RHEL goes
 much further than relying on mere trademark protections.  RedHat
 successfully uses their Trademark rights to prevent others from 
 distributing RHEL but that has no sway over an existing user of RHEL.
 
 The EULA is where the real teeth are -- prohibiting even people who 
 have purchased RHEL from using it in ways that RedHat prohibits.  For
 example, it is not possible to purchase one copy of RHEL and install it
 on two machines.  Nor are you allowed to run RHEL on a machine without
 having purchased support.  I am unclear on how this is not a further
 restriction on the code (and therefore prohibited by the GPL) but the
 FSF appears unwilling to pursue the point. 

You cannot install a standard RHEL on a computer without copying non-gpl 
components. You could strip out all the non-gpl components and replace 
them. Then it would be legal to create a cpoy by installing on several 
computers. Which is what distributions such as WhiteBox and Tao have 
already done for you.

Peter


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Advice on OS Choice

2004-10-15 Thread Peter Svensson
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Joe Greco wrote:

  RedHat further encumbers RHEL with a EULA which extends the GPL and
  further restricts your rights to use the product.
 
 That, then, sounds like it might be a violation of the GPL.  The GPL 
 is, sadly, a maze of twisty little untested legal strategies, and even
 the IP lawyers don't know for sure.

No, it is not. The restriction is placed on the non-gpl components. The 
gpl is very clear that shipping gpl and non-gpl components on the same 
media does not interfere with the gpl.

 Section 1 of the EULA says, essentially, go ahead, it's GPL.
 
 Section 2 of the EULA says, essentially, But we own our trademark and
 you cannot distribute that and we've stamped it all over the place.  So
 if you distribute it you better damn well remove them all and woe to you
 if you fsck up.
 
 If this analysis is correct, this definitely flies in the /spirit/ of the
 GPL, which clearly does not expect people to have to modify files (and 
 understand the side effects of the modifications) prior to redistributing
 them.
 
 The not spelled out part of this is that Red Hat itself is actually
 a trademark, and I suspect is stamped on copyright messages throughout
 the distribution, and /text has legally been considered an image/, so 
 literal compliance with this EULA would require a redistributor to strip 
 the Red Hat copyrights out of the files, and I expect that that would 
 violate the GPL ...

No, you do not. Attributions have no creative part, they are purely 
functional. Indeed, copyright messages are left intact in all the 
RHEL-based distributions. 

In fact, the non-gpl rpm:s are marked as such.  There are some places
where the argument may be used such as the naming of configuration files
(/etc/redhat-release) and others. Those names are not purely functional
(they are chosen at will and hence have a creative element). However, they
are only distributed along with a gpl component. They themselfes are not
under gpl. So this is ok too. 

Nothing to see here, move along folks.

This is the same as it would have been without the eula. Creating copies 
requires a permission. For the gpl that is given but not for the non-gpl 
parts.

In fact, without the eula you may not have been allowed to install the
non-gpl parts of the distribution even if you bought a copy of RHEL. In
some countries installation equals creating a copy. This is prohibited
unless an eula grants that right.

Peter


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RE: [Asterisk-Users] SPA-2000's rebooting every hour or so...

2004-10-15 Thread Mike Benoit
How often was it rebooting before, do you know? 

Mine seem to be rebooting almost exactly 1hour apart, which is the
registration expire time. I've just recently changed it to 6hrs, so I'll
see if that makes a difference.


On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 08:26 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi
 
 I have also have the Sipura rebooting itself.
 I changed the codec from G723.1 to G729 and this seems to have 
 helped fix the problem.
 
 I have the latest firmware...2.0.10(e) I think..??
 
 Hope this helpsstrange stuff though.
 
 regards
 Clive
 
 
 On 14 Oct 2004 at 14:48, Mike Benoit wrote:
 
  I thought it originally started happening after a firmware upgrade to
  2.0.10e, so I downgraded to 2.0.10d, and the problem continued. 
  
  I'm in the process of moving them to a cooler place and putting a fan
  on them just to rule out overheating, which I've heard can be a
  problem. 
  
  On Thu, 2004-10-14 at 12:36 -0700, Dooz Owings wrote:
   
   try to run a firmware update on one and see if it works, just a guess. What
   all have you tried ?
   
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Benoit
   Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:36 AM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: [Asterisk-Users] SPA-2000's rebooting every hour or so...
   
   
   I realize this is slightly off-topic here, but I know quite a few people
   on this list use Sipura products. Has anyone else experienced the same
   rebooting problem I'am?
   
   I have about 8 SPA-2000's and about half of them just started rebooting
   4-8times/day in the last month or so. (they used to be rock solid)
   
   I already emailed Sipura support, but they seem to be on strike as of
   late.
   
   Here is the debug output from just one of the devices: (I've trimmed it
   for size, it happens more often than what is shown)
   
   Oct 12 08:18:33 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:H73720143
   Oct 12 08:18:33 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:H73720143
   Oct 12 08:33:37 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:H73720143
   Oct 12 08:33:37 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:H73720143
   Oct 12 08:53:52 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:H0
   Oct 12 08:53:52 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:H0
   Oct 12 21:34:14 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:H0
   Oct 13 11:20:55 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:H0
   Oct 13 11:28:31 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:C200
   Oct 13 11:28:31 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:C200
   Oct 13 11:48:55 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:C200
   Oct 13 11:48:55 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:C200
   Oct 13 11:53:08 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:H0
   Oct 13 11:53:08 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:H0
   Oct 13 11:54:23 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:C200
   Oct 13 11:54:23 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:C200
   Oct 13 11:55:15 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:C200
   Oct 13 11:55:15 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:C200
   Oct 13 11:56:46 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:C200
   Oct 13 11:56:46 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:C200
   Oct 13 11:59:05 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:C200
   Oct 13 11:59:05 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:C200
   Oct 13 12:40:58 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:H0
   Oct 13 12:40:58 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:H0
   Oct 13 14:00:51 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:H73720143
   Oct 13 14:00:51 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:H73720143
   Oct 13 15:20:54 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:H73720143
   Oct 13 15:20:54 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:H73720143
   Oct 13 16:44:57 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:H0
   Oct 13 16:44:57 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:H0
   Oct 13 18:01:03 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:H0
   Oct 13 18:01:03 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:H0
   Oct 13 19:21:06 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:H0
   Oct 13 19:21:06 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
   reason:H0
   Oct 13 22:01:05 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL 

[Asterisk-Users] Cisco firewalls and softphones

2004-10-15 Thread Matthew Oulton



Hi,

I know there has been some 
discussions regarding how you get a softphone to work across the Cisco PIX 
firewalls but I did not find any answer for the following 
scenario.

Softphone X-Lite(Cisco 
VPN client) - Connects to PIX --- Asterisk - SIP client 
registered 

The problem is oneway voice 
(PIX problem).

Well I had the same problem 
with Cisco´s IP softphone (H.323) and VPN client,this also hadone way 
voice !

I was lucky enough to have 
access toa Cisco engineer at the time and they also were unable to get it 
to work, they did give me some configs but still no luck.

Somebody already mentioned they 
think this in fact might not be possible.

So if that is the case then how 
are people connecting into their networks (securely) and using VoIP ? External 
SIP proxy and then ?

I guess this is a multi faceted 
question but perhaps someone in Asterisk land could throw their opinions 
forward.

Thank you for all the 
support.

Matt 
Oulton.


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[Asterisk-Users] Newbie to Asterisk - VoIP end-to-end

2004-10-15 Thread Kasey



Hi,

After reading up 
on the Asterisk, I have a question:

1. Is there a 
software phone running on PC as a client that is compatible with 
Asterisk?

My reason for 
asking is that I wonder if I can run voip end-to-end with Asterisk in between. 
Diagram:

NetMeeting 
-- IP -- Asterisk -- (NetMeeting or its 
equivalent) or
Cisco AS5xxx 
-- IP -- Asterisk -- (NetMeeting or its 
equivalent)

Thanks,
Kasey
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] SPA-2000's rebooting every hour or so...

2004-10-15 Thread clive
Hi

Mine used to reboot on every call

Clive


On 15 Oct 2004 at 0:15, Mike Benoit wrote:

 How often was it rebooting before, do you know? 
 
 Mine seem to be rebooting almost exactly 1hour apart, which is the
 registration expire time. I've just recently changed it to 6hrs, so I'll
 see if that makes a difference.
 
 
 On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 08:26 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi
  
  I have also have the Sipura rebooting itself.
  I changed the codec from G723.1 to G729 and this seems to have 
  helped fix the problem.
  
  I have the latest firmware...2.0.10(e) I think..??
  
  Hope this helpsstrange stuff though.
  
  regards
  Clive
  
  
  On 14 Oct 2004 at 14:48, Mike Benoit wrote:
  
   I thought it originally started happening after a firmware upgrade to
   2.0.10e, so I downgraded to 2.0.10d, and the problem continued. 
   
   I'm in the process of moving them to a cooler place and putting a fan
   on them just to rule out overheating, which I've heard can be a
   problem. 
   
   On Thu, 2004-10-14 at 12:36 -0700, Dooz Owings wrote:

try to run a firmware update on one and see if it works, just a guess. What
all have you tried ?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Benoit
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:36 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] SPA-2000's rebooting every hour or so...


I realize this is slightly off-topic here, but I know quite a few people
on this list use Sipura products. Has anyone else experienced the same
rebooting problem I'am?

I have about 8 SPA-2000's and about half of them just started rebooting
4-8times/day in the last month or so. (they used to be rock solid)

I already emailed Sipura support, but they seem to be on strike as of
late.

Here is the debug output from just one of the devices: (I've trimmed it
for size, it happens more often than what is shown)

Oct 12 08:18:33 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:H73720143
Oct 12 08:18:33 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:H73720143
Oct 12 08:33:37 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:H73720143
Oct 12 08:33:37 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:H73720143
Oct 12 08:53:52 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:H0
Oct 12 08:53:52 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:H0
Oct 12 21:34:14 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:H0
Oct 13 11:20:55 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:H0
Oct 13 11:28:31 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:C200
Oct 13 11:28:31 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:C200
Oct 13 11:48:55 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:C200
Oct 13 11:48:55 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:C200
Oct 13 11:53:08 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:H0
Oct 13 11:53:08 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:H0
Oct 13 11:54:23 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:C200
Oct 13 11:54:23 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:C200
Oct 13 11:55:15 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:C200
Oct 13 11:55:15 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:C200
Oct 13 11:56:46 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:C200
Oct 13 11:56:46 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:C200
Oct 13 11:59:05 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:C200
Oct 13 11:59:05 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:C200
Oct 13 12:40:58 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:H0
Oct 13 12:40:58 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:H0
Oct 13 14:00:51 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:H73720143
Oct 13 14:00:51 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:H73720143
Oct 13 15:20:54 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:H73720143
Oct 13 15:20:54 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:H73720143
Oct 13 16:44:57 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:H0
Oct 13 16:44:57 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:H0
Oct 13 18:01:03 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:H0
Oct 13 18:01:03 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
reason:H0
Oct 13 19:21:06 

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Am I stupid or is my card DOA.?

2004-10-15 Thread Cirelle Enterprises

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Am I stupid or is my card DOA.?


| 
|  ** Niles Wrote
| 
|  | I had this exact same problem with my new TDM400P I just received 
|  last
|  | week.
|  | It's very inconvenient not to be able to restart my phone server
|  | remotely, due to
|  | the TDM400P not restarting.
|  | I was able to successfully reboot my system earlier without
|  | cold-booting the server
|  | by unloading the zaptel modules before restarting the system.
|  | You will will to unload the modules in the opposite order that you
|  | loaded them, and may
|  | want to place them low in your /etc/rc.d/rc.K file (in slackware) for
|  | automation.
|  | (example for rc.K)
|  |
|  | # unload zaptel modules on shutdown.
|  | # asterisk should not be running when this occurs
|  |
|  | /sbin/modprobe -r wcfxs
|  | /sbin/modprobe -r xct1xxp
|  | /sbin/modprobe -r zaptel
|  |
|  | I haven't tested this extensively, but it has worked the one time I
|  | tested it.
|  |
|  | Niles
|  |
| 
| 
|  Niles
| 
|  I tried your suggestion, but still get the hang of the TDM card (4 fxo 
|  modules)
| 
|  Regards
|  Greg
| 
| 
| 
| Greg,
| 
| did you receive any errors when attempting to unload the modules, and
| was asterisk still running at that time?
| Be sure asterisk is not running, and that you remove the modules in 
| reverse.
| I only tried it once, so it could have been a red herring.
| 
| Niles
| 


Niles

only error was the drivers were already unloaded

doesn't matter if asterisk is running or not

Greg

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[Asterisk-Users] zaptel compile error

2004-10-15 Thread Franz Edler
Hi all,

I am trying to compile Asterisk beginning with zaptel.
Now I get 2 compile errors (see below).

Can anyone give me a hint?

Thanks
Franz
-

sip:/usr/src/zaptel # make install
cc -I. -O4 -g -Wall -DBUILDING_TONEZONE-DSTANDALONE_ZAPATA
-DZAPTEL_CONFIG=\/etc/zaptel.conf\   -c -o gendigits.o gendigits.c
cc -o gendigits gendigits.o -lm
./gendigits
cc -I. -O4 -g -Wall -DBUILDING_TONEZONE-DSTANDALONE_ZAPATA
-DZAPTEL_CONFIG=\/etc/zaptel.conf\makefw.c   -o makefw
./makefw tormenta2.rbt tor2fw  tor2fw.h
Loaded 69900 bytes from file
cc -I. -O4 -g -Wall -DBUILDING_TONEZONE-DSTANDALONE_ZAPATA
-DZAPTEL_CONFIG=\/etc/zaptel.conf\   -c -o ztcfg.o ztcfg.c
cc -c -fPIC -I. -O4 -g -Wall -DBUILDING_TONEZONE-DSTANDALONE_ZAPATA
-DZAPTEL_CONFIG=\/etc/zaptel.conf\ -DBUILDING_TONEZONE -o zonedata.lo
zonedata.c
cc -c -fPIC -I. -O4 -g -Wall -DBUILDING_TONEZONE-DSTANDALONE_ZAPATA
-DZAPTEL_CONFIG=\/etc/zaptel.conf\ -DBUILDING_TONEZONE -o tonezone.lo
tonezone.c
ar rcs libtonezone.a zonedata.lo tonezone.lo
cc -o ztcfg ztcfg.o -lm -L. libtonezone.a
cc -I. -O4 -g -Wall -DBUILDING_TONEZONE-DSTANDALONE_ZAPATA
-DZAPTEL_CONFIG=\/etc/zaptel.conf\   -c -o torisatool.o torisatool.c
cc -o torisatool torisatool.o
cc -I. -O4 -g -Wall -DBUILDING_TONEZONE-DSTANDALONE_ZAPATA
-DZAPTEL_CONFIG=\/etc/zaptel.conf\   -c -o ztmonitor.o ztmonitor.c
cc -o ztmonitor ztmonitor.o
cc -c ztspeed.c
cc -o ztspeed ztspeed.o
make -C /usr/src/linux-2.6 SUBDIRS=/usr/src/zaptel modules
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.5-7.108'
Makefile:438: .config: No such file or directory

WARNING: Symbol version dump /usr/src/linux-2.6.5-7.108/Module.symvers is
missing, modules will have CONFIG_MODVERSIONS disabled.

  CC [M]  /usr/src/zaptel/zaptel.o
/bin/sh: line 1: scripts/basic/fixdep: No such file or directory
make[2]: *** [/usr/src/zaptel/zaptel.o] Error 1
make[1]: *** [_module_/usr/src/zaptel] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.5-7.108'
make: *** [linux26] Error 2
sip:/usr/src/zaptel #


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Newbie to Asterisk - VoIP end-to-end

2004-10-15 Thread Jonathan Augenstine


check out:
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+phones
At 12:23 AM 10/15/2004 -0700, you wrote:
Hi,

After reading up on the Asterisk, I have a
question:

1. Is there a software phone running on PC as a client that
is compatible with Asterisk?

My reason for asking is that I wonder if I can run voip
end-to-end with Asterisk in between. Diagram:

NetMeeting -- IP -- Asterisk --
(NetMeeting or its equivalent) or
Cisco AS5xxx -- IP -- Asterisk --
(NetMeeting or its equivalent)

Thanks,
Kasey
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Looking for recommendations for a low-cost FXO toIP gateway.

2004-10-15 Thread Yiannis Costopoulos

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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark
 Sent: 15 October 2004 02:41
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Looking for recommendations for a low-cost FXO
 toIP gateway.


 At first I thought the X100P was what I was looking for, but now it
 looks to me like the X100P does not have an IP interface, so it would
 require all audio to run through the CPU.  I'm familiar with ATA186's,
 which I think are comparable to the IAXy box, and I'd just like to find
 something like that that provides an FXO interface.  Can anyone help me?

As far as I know there are quite few companies out there that do FXO
Gateways. Mediatrix does a 2-port and 4-port anologue FXO model. The other
solutions is a Sipura-3000. The Sipura 3000 will need it's own dialplan too,
because it has an FXO, FXS and Eth port. So, you will have to do some
configuration. Some people have reported different issues with it. one of
them is over-heating. I haven't used any of the Mediatrix products, or any
other FXO gateway, so I don't have personal experience.

I hope it helps,
Yiannis.


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Running Asterisk on Linksys Router

2004-10-15 Thread Aaron Clauson
Hi,

I don't know if I missed something on the recent posts
regarding running * on the linksys boxes (couldn't
make any sense of the gifs that were posted??)?

Getting back to the original question, does anyone
know where the firmware or source for a linksys box
running * can be obtained?

Aaron



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RE: [Asterisk-Users] (Another) Queue log analyser

2004-10-15 Thread Ben Merrills
Hi there,

Cheers for your suggestions, would be great to see the output of some
other reports. 

Logins and logouts are available within the engine, just need to
represent them in some way now. What do you suggest would be a good
format? Typical duration of login? Only problem might be where someone
hasn't logged out before their next login statement (no one here ever
logs out, because they're all to slack :)

Anything you can send me over would be much appreciated, I have no
problems in giving you a pre-release copy so you can give some feedback
too.

Regards,

Ben Merrills
Griffin Internet

T: 0870 8040862

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To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] (Another) Queue log analyser

Very nice work Ben, thanks. Here are some additional thoughts -

One segmentation that might be useful would be to add outbound calling 
activities as a either a separate column or even view.

On agent stats, it would be useful to see login/logout stamps, login 
time, ready/not ready time (if this can be tracked, not sure).

If you would like, I can send you some example reports that are used in 
a typical call center, contact me directly if you would find that
helpful.

Cheers,
Wayne

Ben Merrills wrote:

I've been doing some work on a queue log analyser for a while now,
getting the basics in place, an example of which you can find at the
URL
below. However, just wondering what information people think is most
useful in a log analyser?

At present it includes the following features:

# Time periods - specify a period of days from the log which you want
to
generate statistics for (e.g. only the last 14 days)
# Templating - allows the stats to be inserted into any html/text
template using specific tags to insert stats. This means you could
create a number of templates and execute the analyser against them to
give different information on different pages (quite flexible).
# Specify start and end dates - similar to the first feature, except
you
can specify a tight period from your log, not just the last x number of
days
# Channels/Agents to names - simple text file allows you to specify a
name, agent number and a channel - e.g. Ben, Agent/1, Sip/ben. This is
then used in the output #   instead of raw data
# JPG graphs - includes a custom class to generate line graphs of
information (e.g. hourly call volumes etc)

What I want to know though is, what output people would like. At the
moment there is an overview of all queues, which includes:

Total Calls, total connected calls, total abandoned calls, calls
abandoned within x seconds, calls exited with key press, Average hold
time, max hold time, average talk time

Agent overview includes:
Calls taken, Average talk time

Graph of call volume per hour of the day
Graph of call volume per day (over the period specified)

Runs under windows (.NET or mono required) or any other OS that support
.NET/mono (Linux, Mac, BSD etc)

http://muad.xdev.net/Projects/qig/sample.html


Not really done anything like this before, so as much input as possible
would be appreciated.

Cheers,

Ben

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[Asterisk-Users] Prepaid authentication and accounting using Asterisk

2004-10-15 Thread jawad bokhari
Hi All, 

I wanted to know, if it's possible to use any
available interface of Asterisk for
authentication/authroization to plug some external
billing application with it.

The CSV file option is quite good for postpaid
billing, but is there any way to do authentication of
a PBX extension before allowing it to make a call and
authorizing the caller a specific number of seconds
during authorization.

Thanks for your time,

Regards,

Jawad



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[Asterisk-Users] SIP - Asterisk - H323 Gateway

2004-10-15 Thread CHAUVELIN Samuel
Hi,

SIP -  Asterisk - H323 Gateway

What is the configuration of asterisk to make a call with this plan .
My soft phone is registered to asterisk and i can establish a H323
channel from my asterisk to the Gateway.


It's just about Dial function in extension.conf or other !!

Thx
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[Asterisk-Users] FireFly w/ SIP

2004-10-15 Thread Willem de Groot
Is anyone succesfully using FireFly-Thirdparty in SIP modus with Asterisk?
It works in IAX mode, but in SIP mode I am unable to hear anything (no 
dialtone, no voice). I am able to setup a conversation with another SIP 
phone though (Xlite, Grandstream) and the other side can hear the 
FireFly user just fine (both sides using g711u).

I tried different PC's with different audio hardware. They all work fine 
using FireFly in IAX mode and using other softphones, so I guess it must 
be related so FireFly in SIP mode.

This is my SIP config:
[201]
type=friend
host=dynamic
dtmfmode=rfc2833
context=sip
canreinvite=yes
FireFly is also configured for rfc2833 dtmf.
Thanks for any suggestions!
Willem
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[Asterisk-Users] CID troubles...

2004-10-15 Thread jeffpowen

I have noticed that the data/time on the caller-id is incorrect on my Motorola 5ghz soho phone system.

I go thru and reset the time on the handsets b/c there doesn't seem to be an option on the base for time. Then when I recieve a new call the caller-id is passed thru and the time gets screwed up again on *all* handsets.

The configuration is incoming (PSTN/broadvoice) - * - SPA-3k.

Does anyone know how the caller id parts work? Does it transfer the time with it?

The time on the box is something like 20 mins off but the time that the handsets get reset to are 3-4hrs off when a caller-id is presented.

Any pointers on where to go research would be great.

Thanks,

Jeff
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Re: {SPAM?} [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk VIA SSH Tunnels

2004-10-15 Thread Michael Graves
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:12:30 +0900, Benjamin on Asterisk Mailing Lists
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:50:39 -0400, steve szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Please don't use PPTP as a security solution, because it really isn't. It's so
 flawed you can even connect to it without having ANY encryption. Microsoft
 with their never ending wisdom have incorporated design flaws that make
 cryptographers and security professionals distrust it, and recommend against
 its use.

Er, what's the news? Doesn't this apply to ANY product they make?

Nonetheless, PPTP is widely deployed in corporate VPNs. You can allow
unencrypted connections, but there is a setting to force encryption and
even force encryption strength to 128 bits.

I accept that it's not supremely secure. More advanced solutions are
preferable. Buit it's included in every Windoze system and dead simple
to setup. I think of it as about a secure as the WEP in my wirless lan.
It discourages casual hacks of convenience, but that's about it.

Michael

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[Asterisk-Users] SNOM 190 Dial-Plan String Settings

2004-10-15 Thread James Bean



I am having a problem with my new SNOM190 and my asterisk 
box.

Incoming calls to the SNOM work perfectly, but when i 
dial-out I get a "Not Found: number dialed" on the SNOM display 
everytime I try, nothing shows up on the console of the asterisk box so its not 
even touching it.

I have the latest 3.54 firmware on it and when I looked at 
the Line 1 setup for my asterisk box I released that in the SNOM phone there is 
nothing in my "Dial-Plan String" I take it it matches this inside the phone to 
choose which line to use in the SNOM phone.

Unfortunately I am not finding much on the format of the 
Dial-Plan String in the SNOM phones.

All I need is for it to send all calls regardless of format 
to the asterisk box.

Anyone got any suggestions.

James
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] E911 support

2004-10-15 Thread Henry Devito
I stand corrected,  I forgot about CAMA trunks because we almost always just
use PRI.

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Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] E911 support

There is a way called CAMA trunks, but that would not be supported in * to
the best of my knowledge of *.

Lyle

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Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] E911 support


 AS Far as I have seen the only way to send E911 Info is over PRI.  We have
 done the same thing with DID's as there is no way to send a different CSID
 over standard T1, at least in our area.

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 Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 3:16 PM
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 Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] E911 support

 Here in Illinois, the requirement depends on the number of buildings and
 square footage of facility.  But at one client, they had to do it.

 It was done via DID's.  Each extension was assigned a DID number and we
had
 to switch to a ISDN PRI circuit(they had a channelized T1 previously).
The
 phone company then provides a method to map the DID number to the physical
 location information for the extension that placed the call.  And that
 information is stored off site by the phone company in a database
desigened
 exclusively for E991 use and not in the pbx.

 I was not involved in programing the PBX(wasn't an *), but was involved in
 with the vendor implementing this change.

 Lyle

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 Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:50 PM
 Subject: [Asterisk-Users] E911 support


  Hi,
 
  A number of states now require business PBX's to supply location
 information to
  the station level. Does Asterisk provide this?
 
  Thanks,
  Steve
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] MFC/R2 and Caller Id

2004-10-15 Thread Leonardo Gomes Figueira

I've an Asterisk connected to an Ericsson MD-110 PBX using MFC/R2. It's 
working fine but the caller id from the PBX to Asterisk is not set on 
the calls. From the debug i can see that the ANI is received but not set 
on the callerid field:

Oct  7 19:38:37 WARNING[18451]: Offered on channel 0 (ANI: 7931, DNIS: 
1931)
On version 0.0.1c of Unicall the caller id issue is fixed.
Bye,
   Leonardo
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[Asterisk-Users] Asterisk crashes on special Transfer with MGCP/ATA 186

2004-10-15 Thread Thomas Dingermann
Hi all,
i am using CVS-HEAD-08/13/04-12:00:00-BRI-stuffed-0.1.0-RC4a with Cisco 
ATA-186 3.1.1 atamgcp

We are used to make an special ;) blind transfer like 
(Flash)Number(Hangup before anyone answers or ring).
Then * crashes (see below) if the man in the middle is an cisco-ata-186-mgcp

If one waits until the last one rings, then hangup, everything is fine.
If one waits until the last one  answers, then hangup, everything is 
fine, too.

Any hints?
mgcp debug on:
  -- Executing AGI(Zap/7-1, nuller.agi) in new stack
   -- Launched AGI Script /home/kpj/pbx/var/lib/asterisk/agi-bin/nuller.agi
   -- Accepting call from '01635571857' to '8551' on channel 0/1, span 3
   -- AGI Script nuller.agi completed, returning 0
   -- Executing Dial(Zap/7-1, MGCP/aaln/[EMAIL PROTECTED]||) in new stack
   -- MGCP mgcp_request(aaln/[EMAIL PROTECTED])
   -- MGCP cw: 0, dnd: 0, so: 0, sno: 0
   -- MGCP mgcp_new(MGCP/aaln/[EMAIL PROTECTED]) created in state: Down
   -- Called aaln/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   -- MGCP/aaln/[EMAIL PROTECTED] is ringing
   -- Endpoint 'aaln/[EMAIL PROTECTED]' observed 'hd'
   -- MGCP/aaln/[EMAIL PROTECTED] answered Zap/7-1
gw-bzo*CLI mgcp debug on
Usage: mgcp debug
  Enables dumping of MGCP packets for debugging purposes
   -- Endpoint 'aaln/[EMAIL PROTECTED]' observed 'hf'
   -- Swapping 1 for 0 on aaln/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   -- MGCP Muting 1 on aaln/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   -- Started music on hold, class 'default', on Zap/7-1
   -- MGCP mgcp_new(MGCP/aaln/[EMAIL PROTECTED]) created in state: Down
   -- Endpoint 'aaln/[EMAIL PROTECTED]' observed '8'
   -- Endpoint 'aaln/[EMAIL PROTECTED]' observed '7'
   -- Endpoint 'aaln/[EMAIL PROTECTED]' observed 'hu'
   -- Stopped music on hold on Zap/7-1
Oct 15 13:32:58 NOTICE[100377]: chan_mgcp.c:1151 mgcp_fixup: 
mgcp_fixup(Zap/7-1, Zap/7-1MASQ)
   -- Swapping 0 for 1 on aaln/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oct 15 13:32:58 WARNING[14350]: chan_mgcp.c:3033 handle_request: 
Transfer attempt 
failed   

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[Asterisk-Users] Problem in DTMF Info message

2004-10-15 Thread Kamran Ahmad
i am sending this message to my asterisk 

first message:

INFO sip:172.16.0.32 SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 172.16.0.21
From: sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: sip:172.16.0.32
Call-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CSeq: 21 INFO
Contact: sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: application/dtmf-relay
ContentLength: 26
 
 
 
Signal= 0
Duration= 160

it is not replying for all requests * only respons
first time i am actualy trying for DTMF in Sip by INFO
message can any one help me in this is this valid

second message:

INFO sip:172.16.0.32 SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 172.16.0.21
From: sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: sip:172.16.0.32
Call-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CSeq: 21 INFO
Contact: sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: application/dtmf-relay
ContentLength: 26
 
 
 
Signal= 1
Duration= 160

these two messages are correct ?



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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Looking for recommendations for a low-cost FXO toIP gateway.

2004-10-15 Thread Stewart Nelson
At first I thought the X100P was what I was looking for, but now it
looks to me like the X100P does not have an IP interface, so it would
require all audio to run through the CPU.  I'm familiar with ATA186's,
which I think are comparable to the IAXy box, and I'd just like to find
something like that that provides an FXO interface.  Can anyone help me? 
If you can use a box with 2 FXO and 2 FXS, take a look at the Planet VIP-450
http://www.planet.com.tw/product/product_dm.php?product_id=195menu_id=3 .
We use the VIP-400 (H.323 version).  It has lots of flexibility
in the dial plan, IDs, etc.  You can download the complete manual from
the Planet site.
Pros:  Inexpensive, good voice quality, doesn't crash, excellent hardware
  reliability, good support for configuration problems.
Cons:  Many minor bugs and shortcomings, no support at all for getting
  these fixed, unless a big customer of Planet happens to experience
  the same trouble!
--Stewart
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[Asterisk-Users] Re: CID troubles...

2004-10-15 Thread jeffpowen

Figured it out...the SPA does a NTP call to the server running ntpd. As long as the timezone offset is up to date the caller-id will display the appropriate time and update all the handsets with the correct time.

-Jeff
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[Asterisk-Users] Re: {SPAM?} Asterisk VIA SSH Tunnels

2004-10-15 Thread Aidan Van Dyk
Tom Ivar Helbekkmo wrote:

 Benjamin on Asterisk Mailing Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 writes:
 
 And how many routers and firewalls out there do support OpenVPN? Do
 Cisco routers support it?
 
 Neither I, nor anyone else here, seems to be saying that OpenVPN is a
 replacement for IPsec.  There's overlap, but there are applications
 that are more suited to one than to the other.  As implementations of
 IPsec mature, its share should increase.  (Today, you can still not
 take for granted that two IPsec VPN products will work seamlessly
 together.)
 
 I believe (but am more than ready to be proven wrong) that
 implementing the type of VPN that I'm using would be a real bitch with
 IPsec.  I've got a portable computer that sends and receives quite a
 bit of sensitive data over insecure protocols, such as remote file
 system access -- and SIP, of course.  :-)  I carry this computer with
 me, and want to be able to use it wherever I can get hold of some sort
 of Internet connection.  This might be by borrowing a real IP address
 somewhere, getting a DHCP-allocated RFC-1918 address behind some NAT
 gateway, or whatever.  I have to expect there to be a firewall as well.
 
 An important requirement is that all sessions should survive when I
 suspend the computer, and then resume it somewhere else, where it gets
 a completely new access method to the Internet.  For instance, while
 I'm directly connected by UTP cable at work, I open ssh sessions to
 various computers, I start a SIP-based soft phone, and, of course, I
 am connected to my remote file system server.  I suspend the computer
 without logging out of anything, and later resume it in a place where
 there's a wireless hot spot that I'm allowed to access.  I expect to
 be able to continue typing commands in those ssh sessions, receive
 telephone calls, and use the file system, immediately upon resuming.
 I need this to work completely NAT proof, and with no requirements for
 holes in firewalls other than being able to send a UDP packet out, and
 getting a responding packet back to the same port.  It must also work
 without the suspend/resume: I need to be able to unplug my laptop's
 UTP cable to carry it into a meeting, and expect everything to keep
 working through a completely seamless transition to wireless mode.  Of
 course, my laptop needs to have a fixed DNS name and IP address that
 never change, so it can be reached from the outside when needed.
 
 With OpenVPN running on my laptop, and on a VPN gateway system back
 home, this Just Works.  OpenVPN handles the whole thing, it's well
 secured, all traffic is encrypted, and it automatically ensures that
 no traffic is sent or received by my laptop outside the VPN tunnel.
 
 I actually started looking into how to get comparable functionality
 based on IPsec, but my mind boggled, and now I do it the easy way.

It works.  I've done it.

Tunnel 0.0.0.0/0 through IPSEC.  Don't use AH. Make sure you're local
networking is set up to use the extruded address that goes through your
IPSEC tunnel.

Of course, any firewall you come upon must allow allow UDP IDE and ESP
packets through.  But if they are intentionally blocking IPSEC, my guess is
they're going to block all VPNs.
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Zap Channel wait for #

2004-10-15 Thread Robinson Tim-W10277
It has all gone very quiet - I still need this...I spent a fair bit of
time looking at it but never got it to work.  Needs someone with a bit
more of an understanding of Asterisk's architecture really.  Also, it
should really go in app_dial so as to make it applicable across all
channel types.

Any volunteers?

Rgds
Tim

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Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Zap Channel wait for #


Hey all,

I am using the c option when transferring to a zap channel to wait for
a # before connecting the calling party. It works as advertised, however
I would like to play a prompt to the called party. (ie Please press # to
accept this
call) 

http://bugs.digium.com/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0002356 seems to be
related.


Anyone know what the status is? Or of there is a workaround of some
sort?

Thanks,
Chris




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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Dialogic D/300JCT-E1 support

2004-10-15 Thread Steven Critchfield
On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 01:24 -0400, Donny Kavanagh wrote:
 Do the dialogic drivers from digium require those lame redhat 7.2/7.3
 only drivers that intel released?

Seeings as Digium just wrote a channel driver to connect the hardware
driver to asterisk, I would guestimate that that would be correct to
assume yes. More of the reason that not many people seem to be using the
dialogic cards.

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: October 14, 2004 8:19 PM
 To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
 Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Dialogic D/300JCT-E1 support
 
  You would do well to ebay the card if you don't otherwise need it and 
  then buy a Digium card.
 
 And you have to sign an NDA to get the drivers for a Dialogic card from
 Digium.
 
 bkw
 
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[Asterisk-Users] Re: how can I test canreinvite effectivness?

2004-10-15 Thread Tom Schroer

 Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] how can I test canreinvite effectivness?
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 Try IPTRAF or TCPDUMP.
 
 Denis.
 
 Em Qui 14 Out 2004 19:12, Matthew Boehm escreveu:
  I'm not running X or any kind of GTK/GUI abilities on our asterisk 
  server. I need some sort of ability to test wether sip 
 canreinvite is 
  working.
 
  If it is, then the network usage should be 
 minimal/nonexistant because 
  all voice packets should be going phone-to-phone.
 
  If it is not, then network usage would be high because all voice 
  packets would be going phone-to-asterisk-to-phone
 
  Does anyone know of a nice ncurses or terminal based 
 realtime network 
  usage app?
 
  Or is there some other way in asterisk I can tell if the phones are 
  talking to each other directly?
 
This may be brute force and there may be more elegant methods, but I
just monitor on the server with tethereal -R rtp and if I see packets
then * is not releasing the media stream.  The problem is that I have
found that this can impair call quality if you leave it up, so I only do
it to spot check.  Also, I do an ethereal trace on the UA and look at
the source/destination address of the rtp stream and that should tell
you as well if the rtp is released.


  Thanks,
  Matthew
 
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaptel compile error

2004-10-15 Thread Dave Cotton
On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 10:15 +0200, Franz Edler wrote:

 make -C /usr/src/linux-2.6 SUBDIRS=/usr/src/zaptel modules
 make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.5-7.108'
 Makefile:438: .config: No such file or directory
 

Here's your hint. Did you make xconfig or menuconfig or something on
your kernel?

 WARNING: Symbol version dump /usr/src/linux-2.6.5-7.108/Module.symvers is
 missing, modules will have CONFIG_MODVERSIONS disabled.

Almost certainly not.



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[Asterisk-Users] Transmit re-INVITE before BYE is sent - why?

2004-10-15 Thread Support
I have a question concerning re-INVITEs and how/why Asterisks sends
them. On SIP to SIP calls with asterisk set up with canreinvite=yes,
after a call is setup, media ip address:ports are renegotiated, 2 way
rtp is established, and then one of the parties hangs up by sending a
BYE, Asterisk goes through a re-INVITE process before forwarding on the
BYE to the other party.  I've shown the last part of the call flow
(after the first re-INVITE to renegotiate the media stream) below where
party A calls party B and after 2 way rtp has been established.  

Party AAsterisk  Party B
5551200  5551212

  |||
  |-2 way RTP Peer to Peer-|
  |||
  ||-BYE---|
  ||-200 OK|
  |--INVITE---||
  |---TRYING--||
  |---200 OK--||
  |ACK||
  |BYE||
  |200 OK-||

In looking through the documentation, chan_sip.c file, associated web
sites, configuration files, mailing lists, I have not been successful in
finding out why it does this last re-INVITE but it appears that this may
be performed as a clean up process allowing asterisk to possibly play a
goodbye message or some other recording prior to hangup (rtp is
transferred back to *). Is there something in the extensions.conf file
that either turns on or turns off this activity. I have found that if
you set canreinvite=no, this does not occur, but then * won't release
rtp.  My entry in extensions.conf is very simple:

exten = _5551212,1,Dial(SIP/[EMAIL PROTECTED],,)
exten = _5551212,2,Hangup

...and I've even tried taking out the Hangup step, but have not seen a
difference.  I was looking for a way to allow re-INIVITEs to renegotiate
the rtp address:ports but not perform this last re-INVITE before a BYE.
Any suggestions?  Thanks.
Tom Schroer

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[Asterisk-Users] Re: how can I test canreinvite effectivness?

2004-10-15 Thread Tom Schroer

 Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] how can I test canreinvite effectivness?
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 Try IPTRAF or TCPDUMP.
 
 Denis.
 
 Em Qui 14 Out 2004 19:12, Matthew Boehm escreveu:
  I'm not running X or any kind of GTK/GUI abilities on our asterisk 
  server. I need some sort of ability to test wether sip 
 canreinvite is 
  working.
 
  If it is, then the network usage should be 
 minimal/nonexistant because 
  all voice packets should be going phone-to-phone.
 
  If it is not, then network usage would be high because all voice 
  packets would be going phone-to-asterisk-to-phone
 
  Does anyone know of a nice ncurses or terminal based 
 realtime network 
  usage app?
 
  Or is there some other way in asterisk I can tell if the phones are 
  talking to each other directly?
 
This may be brute force and there may be more elegant methods, but I
just monitor on the server with tethereal -R rtp and if I see packets
then * is not releasing the media stream.  The problem is that I have
found that this can impair call quality if you leave it up, so I only do
it to spot check.  Also, I do an ethereal trace on the UA and look at
the source/destination address of the rtp stream and that should tell
you as well if the rtp is released.


  Thanks,
  Matthew
 
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[Asterisk-Users] Invalid GSM data

2004-10-15 Thread CHAUVELIN Samuel
I use my asterisk to SIP H323 Gateway.

Softphone SIP - Asterisk - H323 Gateway - cellular phone

I hear very well in my spftphone when i speak in my cellular
But when i speak in my softphone the sound is very very very bad 

and i have this message in CLI console of asterisk :

codec_gsm.c:164 gsmtolin_framein: Invalid GSM data

What is the pb ???
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[Asterisk-Users] Re: FireFly w/ SIP

2004-10-15 Thread Leah Newmark
I can tell you that you are not alone. It's an issue I believe with Firefly, 
and not in your configurations.


 Message: 8
 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:06:17 +0200
 From: Willem de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Asterisk-Users] FireFly w/ SIP
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 Is anyone succesfully using FireFly-Thirdparty in SIP modus with Asterisk?

 It works in IAX mode, but in SIP mode I am unable to hear anything (no
 dialtone, no voice). I am able to setup a conversation with another SIP
 phone though (Xlite, Grandstream) and the other side can hear the
 FireFly user just fine (both sides using g711u).

 I tried different PC's with different audio hardware. They all work fine
 using FireFly in IAX mode and using other softphones, so I guess it must
 be related so FireFly in SIP mode.

 This is my SIP config:

 [201]
 type=friend
 host=dynamic
 dtmfmode=rfc2833
 context=sip
 canreinvite=yes

 FireFly is also configured for rfc2833 dtmf.

 Thanks for any suggestions!
 Willem




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[Asterisk-Users] Manager API and extension s

2004-10-15 Thread NRB
Hi all

When calls are set up using a macro, the extension in the status events coming from 
action: status shows s. Does anybody know what to do to make the extension show 
the correct value ?

My dialplan is like this:

[local]
exten = 8056,1,Macro(standardcall,SIP/t8)
exten = 8057,1,Macro(standardcall,SIP/t9)

[macro-standardcall]
exten = s,1,Dial(${ARG1},30,t)
exten = s,2,Voicemail(u${MACRO_EXTEN})
exten = s,3,Hangup
exten = s,102,Voicemail(b${MACRO_EXTEN})
exten = s,103,Hangup


The status events are like this:
Event: Status
Channel: SIP/t8-549b
CallerID: User #7 8057
Account:
State: Up
Link: SIP/t9-72fe
Uniqueid: 1097738542.23

Event: Status
Channel: SIP/t9-72fe
CallerID: User #7 8057
Account:
State: Up
Context: macro-standardcall
Extension: s
Priority: 1
Seconds: 3
Link: SIP/t8-549b
Uniqueid: 1097738542.22

Thanks in advance

Martin




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RE: [Asterisk-Users] FireFly SIP Registration Interval

2004-10-15 Thread Deon Rodden
Awesome!

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Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FireFly SIP Registration Interval

We'll add that to next version, should be out next week

Deon Rodden wrote:
 I put FireFly on my mom's computer, but ran into a problem. She went 
 home and was able to place calls from it (using her headset and such). 
 But, she could not receive calls. I figured out the problem was with the 
 registration, firefly doesn't re-register often enough, so the 
 connection gets stale and the NAT Device forgets about the connection, 
 so no new incoming calls can be made.
 
  
 
 I put X-Lite on her computer and changed the re-registration interval 
 from the default of 3600 to 60 seconds. Now I can call her anytime. But, 
 there's choppiness on the line. Her ability to transmit/upload/send 
 voice to me is bad, I hear choppiness and such. FireFly worked fine, no 
 choppiness, same router, same connection. I tried X-Lite and FireFly on 
 my laptop but both perform equally. I like the simplicity and interface 
 of firefly, it's nicer, anybody know of a way to change the sip 
 registration interval?
 
  
 
 Anybody know of another program other than x-lite or firefly? One that 
 doesn't have problems sending audio and one that allows you to change 
 the sip registration interval?
 
  

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] FireFly w/ SIP

2004-10-15 Thread Deon Rodden
I use FireFly w/ SIP all day long and it works great, except for the SIP
registration interval which I was just told will be fixed in next weeks
version.

Are you using GSM or g711u? 

[remote-laptop]
context=remoteusers
type=friend
username=remote-laptop
secret=hiddenfromlist
qualify=yes
host=dynamic
canreinvite=no
dtmfmode=inband
nat=yes
callerid=John Doe 1235551212
accountcode=7499
amaflags=billing



That's what I have in my sip.conf

Then tell firefly to use the ip of your asterisk server as the Server.  Give
it the user id and password. Uncheck disable registration and check
Active

Always worked for me. 


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Groot
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 7:06 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] FireFly w/ SIP

Is anyone succesfully using FireFly-Thirdparty in SIP modus with Asterisk?

It works in IAX mode, but in SIP mode I am unable to hear anything (no 
dialtone, no voice). I am able to setup a conversation with another SIP 
phone though (Xlite, Grandstream) and the other side can hear the 
FireFly user just fine (both sides using g711u).

I tried different PC's with different audio hardware. They all work fine 
using FireFly in IAX mode and using other softphones, so I guess it must 
be related so FireFly in SIP mode.

This is my SIP config:

[201]
type=friend
host=dynamic
dtmfmode=rfc2833
context=sip
canreinvite=yes

FireFly is also configured for rfc2833 dtmf.

Thanks for any suggestions!
Willem

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: FireFly w/ SIP

2004-10-15 Thread Deon Rodden
FireFly is awesome, it's not giving quality issues like X-Lite is. FireFly's
only problem was it wasn't registering with the server often enough, making
that NAT box forget the connection and not allow incoming streams. 

Adam Hart said they would add it as an adjustable feature to the next
version coming out next week. 


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Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 9:28 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Re: FireFly w/ SIP

I can tell you that you are not alone. It's an issue I believe with Firefly,

and not in your configurations.


 Message: 8
 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:06:17 +0200
 From: Willem de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Is anyone succesfully using FireFly-Thirdparty in SIP modus with Asterisk?

 It works in IAX mode, but in SIP mode I am unable to hear anything (no
 dialtone, no voice). I am able to setup a conversation with another SIP
 phone though (Xlite, Grandstream) and the other side can hear the
 FireFly user just fine (both sides using g711u).

 I tried different PC's with different audio hardware. They all work fine
 using FireFly in IAX mode and using other softphones, so I guess it must
 be related so FireFly in SIP mode.

 This is my SIP config:

 [201]
 type=friend
 host=dynamic
 dtmfmode=rfc2833
 context=sip
 canreinvite=yes

 FireFly is also configured for rfc2833 dtmf.

 Thanks for any suggestions!
 Willem




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Re: [Asterisk-Users] zaptel compile error

2004-10-15 Thread Patrick
On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 10:15, Franz Edler wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I am trying to compile Asterisk beginning with zaptel.
 Now I get 2 compile errors (see below).
 
 Can anyone give me a hint?

It would be nice if you did your homework before sending a msg to 8000+
people on this list. voip-info has all the info you need:
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Linux+Fedora and read the instructions
under the Fedora Core 2 heading. Always first check voip-info.org, the
asterisk-user mailing list archives and google because most if not all
newbie questions have already been answered.

Regards,
Patrick

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[Asterisk-Users] RE: Cisco firewalls and softphones (Matthew Oulton)

2004-10-15 Thread Paul Davidson
Speaking from personal experience using Cisco Callmanager and Cisco
VPNs (not PIX, but Cisco VPNs hosted on routers with AIM cards), I can
say that this is possible- but it's not easy.

Essentially, the problem is not the VPN, it's NAT.  In the cisco IP
Softphone client, there's a rather disturbing section where you enter
in your client's address- you can either have it pull the IP off the
card, or set one permanently, or have it connect via HTTP to return
the IP address.  The important part is that the IP address chosen here
must be the IP issued on the VPN, and *NOT* your current interface
address.  In other words, remove NAT entirely from the equation.

Callmanager will accept the RTP stream from wherever it sees a valid
connection- but, as we're all familiar with issues with NAT, and SIP,
and H.323, Cisco Callmanager follows the standard and replies back to
the IP that the client presents during call setup- hence, if the
client presents a NATted address (from the callmanager's perspective),
it will send the backhaul RTP to that address, and you get one-way
audio.

Some softphones are better at dealing with this than others.  

Long live IAX2!

Paul Davidson
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] too many ex-(boy|girl)friends

2004-10-15 Thread Ben Wern
That's pretty good..
I have a similar situation, where I need to match all the area codes in 
a particular state like:

exten = _[904|321|407|252]XXX,1,Dial..
But it doesn't work. I can get it to work with something along the lines of:
exten - _[904|321|407|352]X.,1,Dial
But I was hoping to be more specific.. other than specifying each area 
code ala _904XXX,1,Dial. do you know of any way to do this?

Ben Wern
 Maybe like this:


 exten = s,5,DBGet(blacklisted=blacklisted/${CALLERIDNUM}) exten =
 s,6,GotoIf(${blacklisted} = 1?hell|1)

 You just have to put every blacklisted number in the Asterisk database as
 it would be seen from the callerid number.

 I this this solution is better than changing your extensions.conf every
 time you change (boy|girl)friend.

 Michel
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[Asterisk-Users] Always get 401 Unauthorized..that normal?

2004-10-15 Thread Matthew Boehm
I always get a 401 Unauthorized result before the registration succeedes on
these SIP phones. Is that normal? A REGISTER packet is sent, then a 100
Trying, then a 401 Unauthorized, then another REGISTER and another Trying,
then OK.

Is it normal to always get that 401? Why would registration be unauthorized
then suddenly work? Or is this some algorithm that SIP uses to try different
auth schemes?

The phones are Cisco 7960 btw..

Thanks,
Matthew

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] rfc3389 support in chan_sip?

2004-10-15 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
Throughout the discussion about this problem, I've learned more or less 
what the causes are. But.

is rfc3389 support planned?
thanks
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Always get 401 Unauthorized..that normal?

2004-10-15 Thread Andreas Sikkema
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 Is it normal to always get that 401? Why would registration be
 unauthorized then suddenly work? Or is this some algorithm that SIP
 uses to try different auth schemes?

Im see this too. I think the RFC says the UA shoudl try first 
without password, then with password.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Always get 401 Unauthorized..that normal?

2004-10-15 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
Matthew Boehm wrote:
I always get a 401 Unauthorized result before the registration succeedes on
these SIP phones. Is that normal? A REGISTER packet is sent, then a 100
Trying, then a 401 Unauthorized, then another REGISTER and another Trying,
then OK.
I believe this is normal; most of the phones I've tested with initially 
attempt to register without specifying any authentication method. 
Asterisk then declines their registration, and they retry with 
authentication, which (presumably) succeeds.
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Always get 401 Unauthorized..that normal?

2004-10-15 Thread Alex Barnes
Yeah that is totally normal.

To help prevent replay attacks the SIP device (Asterisk in this case)
includes a authentication header in the Authentication Required
response.  This includes (among many other things) a random string that
the initiator of the request (your phone) must include when creating the
hash of its password.

Hash sent = md5(password+random string)

In short don't worry that's what is supposed to happen :-P

Cheers

alex

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Sent: 15 October 2004 15:23
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Always get 401 Unauthorized..that normal?


I always get a 401 Unauthorized result before the registration succeedes
on these SIP phones. Is that normal? A REGISTER packet is sent, then a
100 Trying, then a 401 Unauthorized, then another REGISTER and another
Trying, then OK.

Is it normal to always get that 401? Why would registration be
unauthorized then suddenly work? Or is this some algorithm that SIP uses
to try different auth schemes?

The phones are Cisco 7960 btw..

Thanks,
Matthew


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[Asterisk-Users] Cisco to * problem

2004-10-15 Thread Bruce Komito
I am trying to connect a Cisco 3640 terminating a PRI to * with SIP.
When I call into the PRI, the Cisco answers the call and sends it on to *,
however there is no audio.  The clue is, the following message out of *:

Oct 15 07:50:58 NOTICE[1094289728]: chan_sip.c:2679 process_sdp: Content
is 'multipart/mixed;boundary=uniqueBoundary', not 'application/sdp'

Looking at the * code, this looks like a mismatch of some sort between *
and Cisco, but I have tried every combination of codecs I can think if,
and the problem doesn't change.  Has anyone seen this message, or have a
clue as to what it means?

TIA

Bruce Komito
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[Asterisk-Users] app_queue manager API

2004-10-15 Thread Ben Merrills
Is there a way from the manager interface to obtain a listing of all the
channels (callers) in a queue? I know as they join/part events are
fired, but I'd like to obtain a listing of them when I connect to the
manager interface.

Any ideas how this can be done?

Cheers,

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Cisco to * problem

2004-10-15 Thread Alex Barnes
I don't know anything about config of a Cisco 3640, do have a Cisco 5350
and have never seen it send SIP messages with multipart payloads.  So
can't really help you on that front.

However I can tell you what that means.

The INVITE request coming from the Cisco has
multipart/mixed;boundary=uniqueBoundary as the type of payload in the
message.  Asterisk is expecting / requires application/sdp, in fact I
would bet that most SIP endpoints would only support application/sdp.
The payload in INVITEs (am simplifying a little) is where SIP devices
detail what their media capabilities are, so that the other end point
knows what types of audio / video it can send.  Taking a complete guess
I would suggest start by looking into audio codec settings on your Cisco
3640.

Not much help I know but hopefully will give you a start.

alex

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Cisco to * problem


I am trying to connect a Cisco 3640 terminating a PRI to * with SIP.
When I call into the PRI, the Cisco answers the call and sends it on to
*, however there is no audio.  The clue is, the following message out of
*:

Oct 15 07:50:58 NOTICE[1094289728]: chan_sip.c:2679 process_sdp: Content
is 'multipart/mixed;boundary=uniqueBoundary', not 'application/sdp'

Looking at the * code, this looks like a mismatch of some sort between *
and Cisco, but I have tried every combination of codecs I can think if,
and the problem doesn't change.  Has anyone seen this message, or have a
clue as to what it means?

TIA

Bruce Komito
High Sierra Networks, Inc.
www.servers-r-us.com
(775) 236-5815



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As you may have noticed, Ubiquity Software began using the web domain ubiquity.com 
earlier this year in addition to the previously established ubiquity.net for our 
website and email communications to you.  However, since that time, a dispute has 
emerged with respect to actual ownership of the ubiquity.com domain.
 
As an international software company founded over decade ago, you can always reach 
Ubiquity Software under the website www.ubiquity.net http://www.ubiquity.net/  and 
via email at @ubiquity.net.  However, we have also chosen to expand our domain to the 
more specific www.ubiquitysoftware.com http://www.ubiquitysoftware.com/  for web and 
@ubiquitysoftware.com for email communications.
 
Please use either the historical ubiquity.net or begin to use the new 
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Advice on OS Choice

2004-10-15 Thread Kevin Walsh
Jason T. Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In our last exciting episode, Kevin Walsh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
  If GNU/Linux was licensed under a BSD-style license then Red Hat could
  easily close the source - just as Apple did when they stole BSD code
  to create their OS/X effort.  I don't believe that Red Hat would do
  that sort of thing anyway - those tactics are best left to Apple and
  Microsoft.
 
 Umm.. subtle but very important point here. Apple did not steal BSD
 code. BSD code cannot be stolen. It is given away as basically a gift.
 Stealing implies that the person you stole from has now lost something.

Perhaps steal was a bit harsh then.  Maybe I should have said Apple,
Microsoft and others close the source with no compensation nor
recognition given to the original authors, as allowed by the stupid BSD
license.  It's the authors' fault really.  They live and learn.  Perhaps
they'll use the GPL next time.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Advice on OS Choice

2004-10-15 Thread Joe Greco
 Jason T. Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  In our last exciting episode, Kevin Walsh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
   If GNU/Linux was licensed under a BSD-style license then Red Hat could
   easily close the source - just as Apple did when they stole BSD code
   to create their OS/X effort.  I don't believe that Red Hat would do
   that sort of thing anyway - those tactics are best left to Apple and
   Microsoft.
  
  Umm.. subtle but very important point here. Apple did not steal BSD
  code. BSD code cannot be stolen. It is given away as basically a gift.
  Stealing implies that the person you stole from has now lost something.
 
 Perhaps steal was a bit harsh then.  Maybe I should have said Apple,
 Microsoft and others close the source with no compensation nor
 recognition given to the original authors, as allowed by the stupid BSD
 license.  It's the authors' fault really.  They live and learn.  Perhaps
 they'll use the GPL next time.

That would be in violation of the BSD license.  Maybe one of these days
the GPL advocates will at least bother to read the license and get it
right.

By the way, assuming you've contributed code to Linux, did you get your
check from RedHat for RHEL?  Thought not.  As usual, the irrational
arguments like they weren't compensated are bandied about by GPL
advocates, blissfully ignoring the fact that they wouldn't be compensated
under the GPL, either.

Please stop spreading inaccuracies and other FUD.  If you can't at least
speak with some mild accuracy about the differences between the two 
licenses, you are not competent to discuss the issue and should really 
not participate in such discussions.

... JG
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[Asterisk-Users] RE: Cisco to * problem

2004-10-15 Thread kurt x
See if you have the below configure under your dial peers or voice
service voip.
If you do, then issue this command  no signaling forward unconditional

 signaling forward unconditional

Kurt
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] too many ex-(boy|girl)friends

2004-10-15 Thread Chad Scott
How about:
exten = s,1,GotoIf($[${CALLERIDNUM} : ^(904|321|407|252)[0-9]{7}$] ? 
2:3)
exten = s,2,Goto(somewhere,s,1)
exten = s,3,DoWhateverElse

On Oct 15, 2004, at 7:21 AM, Ben Wern wrote:
That's pretty good..
I have a similar situation, where I need to match all the area codes 
in a particular state like:

exten = _[904|321|407|252]XXX,1,Dial..
But it doesn't work. I can get it to work with something along the 
lines of:

exten - _[904|321|407|352]X.,1,Dial
But I was hoping to be more specific.. other than specifying each area 
code ala _904XXX,1,Dial. do you know of any way to do this?

Ben Wern
 Maybe like this:


 exten = s,5,DBGet(blacklisted=blacklisted/${CALLERIDNUM}) exten =
 s,6,GotoIf(${blacklisted} = 1?hell|1)

 You just have to put every blacklisted number in the Asterisk 
database as
 it would be seen from the callerid number.

 I this this solution is better than changing your extensions.conf 
every
 time you change (boy|girl)friend.

 Michel

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Invalid GSM data

2004-10-15 Thread Chad Scott
You might have silence suppression turned on in the soft phone... turn 
it off.

If that's not the culprit, use a different codec... maybe the soft 
phone just doesn't speak GSM right.

On Oct 15, 2004, at 6:16 AM, CHAUVELIN Samuel wrote:
I use my asterisk to SIP H323 Gateway.
Softphone SIP - Asterisk - H323 Gateway - cellular phone
I hear very well in my spftphone when i speak in my cellular
But when i speak in my softphone the sound is very very very bad
and i have this message in CLI console of asterisk :
codec_gsm.c:164 gsmtolin_framein: Invalid GSM data
What is the pb ???
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zap Channel wait for #

2004-10-15 Thread Chad Scott
Does the option A(filename) not work for you?
On Oct 15, 2004, at 5:38 AM, Robinson Tim-W10277 wrote:
It has all gone very quiet - I still need this...I spent a fair bit of
time looking at it but never got it to work.  Needs someone with a bit
more of an understanding of Asterisk's architecture really.  Also, it
should really go in app_dial so as to make it applicable across all
channel types.
Any volunteers?
Rgds
Tim
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Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Zap Channel wait for #
Hey all,
I am using the c option when transferring to a zap channel to wait 
for
a # before connecting the calling party. It works as advertised, 
however
I would like to play a prompt to the called party. (ie Please press # 
to
accept this
call)

http://bugs.digium.com/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0002356 seems to be
related.
Anyone know what the status is? Or of there is a workaround of some
sort?
Thanks,
Chris

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Advice on OS Choice

2004-10-15 Thread Kevin Walsh
Joe Greco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  The GPL protects the freedom of the source code and couldn't care less
  about the freedom of those who would seek to close the code.
 
 So, in other words, it's all right not to offer freedom to all.

No, in other words freedom must be protected against those who would
seek to deny it.

 
 Had you not licensed your software under the GPL, you could have
 benefitted from their efforts to extend your BSD-style copyrighted
 software.  This is what has happened with companies like Apple and
 BSDi who have used the Berkeley UNIX codebase, as an example.  Neither
 of those companies have contributed all of their changes back to the
 community, but then again, many of their changes would not be
 appropriate for distribution.

That's not up to them to decide.  Under the GPL, if you distribute
modified code then you must publish your enhancements for the benefit
of all.  The team responsible for the core code can decide whether the
contributed code is appropriate for distribution.

The GPL basically says that if you don't want to distribute your changes,
and want to use GPLed software, then start from scratch and write it
all yourself.  The BSD says I've spent a lot of time on this, but
I'm happy for you to lock it up, make modifications and pretend that
you wrote it all.

 
  People who say the GPL strips some of these freedoms really don't
  understand what freedom means.
 
 Yeah.  GPL...  let's slap some restrictions on what people can do.
 Surely encumbering software with restrictions on what you can do with
 it is more free than software that lets you do what you want.  Isn't
 that an Ashcroft-esque definition of freedom?

The whole point of the GPL is to protect the freedom of the code, for
the benefit of all.  If you consider the fact that you can't lock up
the code and release it as a proprietary binary to be a restriction then
I have no sympathy.  Release your changes freely as open source and
stop whining.

 
 In the remaining cases, you basically have people who don't want to
 contribute their changes back, for whatever reason (and there are valid
 reasons for this). 
 
a) This does not hurt a BSD licensed project, whereas
 
b) The GPL'd project loses out if the person becomes motivated to go
   write a BSD licensed version of their product, so that they can
   then go and make their further undistributed changes in peace.
 
   This is especially damaging when there would have been a mix of
   noncontributed changes and also contributed changes coming back
   to the project, but instead now you have a competing project.

That's all a nonsense.  You started talking about people who don't
want to contribute their changes back and then qualified it in (b)
by saying that the project would have lost out.  In this case, the
project was in a no-win situation from the moment that person found
it.

With the GPL, if a person doesn't want to distribute the source and
all changes then they can either (a) not distribute anything at all
(b) create their own competing product.

I welcome competition.  You obviously have a proprietary outlook.

 
c) The GPL'd project loses out if the person does something else  
 entirely. 

If that person wasn't going to contribute then the project would have
lost out regardless of its license.  At least the GPL would have
protected the project from an even worse situation - wholesale code
theft and lock-up.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Advice on OS Choice

2004-10-15 Thread Ray
On Fri, Oct 15, 2004 at 04:11:33PM +0100, Kevin Walsh wrote:
 Perhaps steal was a bit harsh then.  Maybe I should have said Apple,
 Microsoft and others close the source with no compensation nor
 recognition given to the original authors, as allowed by the stupid BSD
 license.  It's the authors' fault really.  They live and learn.  Perhaps
 they'll use the GPL next time.

If the authors released their software under a BSD license then they
INTENDED to allow this sort of use (advertising clause aside).  I prefer the
GPL too but there is nothing stupid about using a BSD style license.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Advice on OS Choice

2004-10-15 Thread Joe Greco
 On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Joe Greco wrote:
 
   RedHat further encumbers RHEL with a EULA which extends the GPL and
   further restricts your rights to use the product.
  
  That, then, sounds like it might be a violation of the GPL.  The GPL 
  is, sadly, a maze of twisty little untested legal strategies, and even
  the IP lawyers don't know for sure.
 
 No, it is not. The restriction is placed on the non-gpl components. The 
 gpl is very clear that shipping gpl and non-gpl components on the same 
 media does not interfere with the gpl.

That doesn't seem to be the issue.  The issue appears to be that they are
shipping GPL components interspersed with items they have trademarked.

  Section 1 of the EULA says, essentially, go ahead, it's GPL.
  
  Section 2 of the EULA says, essentially, But we own our trademark and
  you cannot distribute that and we've stamped it all over the place.  So
  if you distribute it you better damn well remove them all and woe to you
  if you fsck up.
  
  If this analysis is correct, this definitely flies in the /spirit/ of the
  GPL, which clearly does not expect people to have to modify files (and 
  understand the side effects of the modifications) prior to redistributing
  them.
  
  The not spelled out part of this is that Red Hat itself is actually
  a trademark, and I suspect is stamped on copyright messages throughout
  the distribution, and /text has legally been considered an image/, so 
  literal compliance with this EULA would require a redistributor to strip 
  the Red Hat copyrights out of the files, and I expect that that would 
  violate the GPL ...
 
 No, you do not. Attributions have no creative part, they are purely 
 functional. Indeed, copyright messages are left intact in all the 
 RHEL-based distributions. 

Correct, it would be a violation not to.

However, I believe you've missed the point.  This isn't about copyright.
Red Hat appears to have said that you cannot distribute our trademark.
There is a certain amount of law which allows a company to determine how
its trademarked name (or other trademarks) are used, and I would be very
wary of the situation where both copyright and trademark law applied,
because I suspect the more restrictive would win out.

If Red Hat distributes its logo image, under the GPL, but also has a notice
on its website that the logo is a trademark with restrictions on use, you 
may not be violating the GPL by distributing it, but you may be breaking
trademark rights.  That's potentially actionable, and appears to be 
something the GPL didn't anticipate.

Ecch.

 In fact, the non-gpl rpm:s are marked as such.  There are some places
 where the argument may be used such as the naming of configuration files
 (/etc/redhat-release) and others. Those names are not purely functional
 (they are chosen at will and hence have a creative element). However, they
 are only distributed along with a gpl component. They themselfes are not
 under gpl. So this is ok too. 
 
 Nothing to see here, move along folks.

I'd check with a really good IPL and trademark lawyer before making that 
kind of a statement.

... JG
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Advice on OS Choice

2004-10-15 Thread Kevin Walsh
Joe Greco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 By the way, assuming you've contributed code to Linux, did you get your
 check from RedHat for RHEL?  Thought not.

I was invited to take part in their IPO, under the friends of Red Hat
scheme, which made me over £120,000 profit on my investment.  Does that
count?  Thought not.

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] SPA-2000's rebooting every hour or so...

2004-10-15 Thread Mike Benoit
I'm using the ulaw codecs, and checking again, I just realized we have
one SPA-3000 in the mix behaving exactly like the SPA-2000's. 

Changing the registration expire time to 6hrs didn't seem to make any
noticeable difference unfortunately.


On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 09:42 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi
 
 Mine used to reboot on every call
 
 Clive
 
 
 On 15 Oct 2004 at 0:15, Mike Benoit wrote:
 
  How often was it rebooting before, do you know? 
  
  Mine seem to be rebooting almost exactly 1hour apart, which is the
  registration expire time. I've just recently changed it to 6hrs, so I'll
  see if that makes a difference.
  
  
  On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 08:26 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hi
   
   I have also have the Sipura rebooting itself.
   I changed the codec from G723.1 to G729 and this seems to have 
   helped fix the problem.
   
   I have the latest firmware...2.0.10(e) I think..??
   
   Hope this helpsstrange stuff though.
   
   regards
   Clive
   
   
   On 14 Oct 2004 at 14:48, Mike Benoit wrote:
   
I thought it originally started happening after a firmware upgrade to
2.0.10e, so I downgraded to 2.0.10d, and the problem continued. 

I'm in the process of moving them to a cooler place and putting a fan
on them just to rule out overheating, which I've heard can be a
problem. 

On Thu, 2004-10-14 at 12:36 -0700, Dooz Owings wrote:
 
 try to run a firmware update on one and see if it works, just a guess. What
 all have you tried ?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Benoit
 Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:36 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Asterisk-Users] SPA-2000's rebooting every hour or so...
 
 
 I realize this is slightly off-topic here, but I know quite a few people
 on this list use Sipura products. Has anyone else experienced the same
 rebooting problem I'am?
 
 I have about 8 SPA-2000's and about half of them just started rebooting
 4-8times/day in the last month or so. (they used to be rock solid)
 
 I already emailed Sipura support, but they seem to be on strike as of
 late.
 
 Here is the debug output from just one of the devices: (I've trimmed it
 for size, it happens more often than what is shown)
 
 Oct 12 08:18:33 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:H73720143
 Oct 12 08:18:33 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:H73720143
 Oct 12 08:33:37 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:H73720143
 Oct 12 08:33:37 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:H73720143
 Oct 12 08:53:52 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:H0
 Oct 12 08:53:52 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:H0
 Oct 12 21:34:14 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:H0
 Oct 13 11:20:55 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:H0
 Oct 13 11:28:31 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:C200
 Oct 13 11:28:31 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:C200
 Oct 13 11:48:55 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:C200
 Oct 13 11:48:55 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:C200
 Oct 13 11:53:08 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:H0
 Oct 13 11:53:08 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:H0
 Oct 13 11:54:23 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:C200
 Oct 13 11:54:23 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:C200
 Oct 13 11:55:15 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:C200
 Oct 13 11:55:15 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:C200
 Oct 13 11:56:46 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:C200
 Oct 13 11:56:46 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:C200
 Oct 13 11:59:05 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:C200
 Oct 13 11:59:05 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:C200
 Oct 13 12:40:58 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:H0
 Oct 13 12:40:58 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:H0
 Oct 13 14:00:51 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:H73720143
 Oct 13 14:00:51 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:H73720143
 Oct 13 15:20:54 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL PROTECTED], reboot
 reason:H73720143
 Oct 13 15:20:54 192.168.1.189 System started: [EMAIL 

[Asterisk-Users] Prepaid vs. Prepaid modified

2004-10-15 Thread David Filion
Hi all,
Anyone know what the differences are between the Prepaid and the 
Prepaid-modified apps is?  The provided docs don't say much.

David Filion
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Zap Channel wait for #

2004-10-15 Thread Robinson Tim-W10277
No - this plays the message AFTER the # is pressed, not before


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Does the option A(filename) not work for you?

On Oct 15, 2004, at 5:38 AM, Robinson Tim-W10277 wrote:
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[Asterisk-Users] New Project - IP Phone Sources

2004-10-15 Thread Stewart M. Ives

Hello,

Background:  Old to UNIX  Linus, New to list. A techie Dad that supports
local k-8 school that my kids go to.

More background:  Recently the school wanted to put phones in all the
classrooms for teacher communications to/from the office.  Another Dad in the
telecom business spec'ed out a standard PBX with wiring, etc.  Needless to say
it was Expensive with a Captitol E.  Anyway I started looking around at open
source and found Asterisk.  We currently have a complete switched network
within the school (jsut replaced all hubs with switches) and have multiple
PC's in each classroom as well as the front office.  We also run RH Linux for
our webserver, email server, file server, Websense server, and library
software server.

Question: If I just want to provide IP Telephony within the school and have no
outside connections to the local phone system I suspect I can install Asterisk
on a RH Linux server and plug in a bunch of IP Telephones on the network,
config it all and it will work.  The only cost to the school would be the IP
Telephones.  Correct??  I know it would involve a bit more configuration and
planning as I have stated but basically is the idea correct??

Question:  What phones or types of phones should I be looking at.  I suspect
there are new ones coming out every day.  I'm just interested in the most
basic phone to plug into the network.  Nothing fancy, basic, basic, basic.  I
also know I can use soft phones but do not want to go there as it makes just
another application we have to be responsible for on the desktop.

Many thanks in advance.

BTW, the school is:   www.sainttheresaschool.org

stew


 Stewart M. Ives
 SofTEC USA
 WebSite: www.softecusa.com

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Advice on OS Choice

2004-10-15 Thread Jason T. Nelson
In our last exciting episode, Kevin Walsh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
 Perhaps steal was a bit harsh then.  Maybe I should have said Apple,
 Microsoft and others close the source with no compensation nor
 recognition given to the original authors, as allowed by the stupid BSD
 license.  It's the authors' fault really.  They live and learn.  Perhaps
 they'll use the GPL next time.

The BSD license says nothing about compensation; have you read it lately?

 * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
 * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions
 * are met:
 * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright
 *notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.
 * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright
 *notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the
 *documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution.

Nope, not in there. Sorry.

You are mocking software authors who make a CONSCIOUS choice to use the
BSD license (or other BSD-style licenses) by calling it stupid. Perhaps
they are uncomfortable with some of the restrictions imposed by the GPL?

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Advice on OS Choice

2004-10-15 Thread Joe Greco
 Joe Greco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   The GPL protects the freedom of the source code and couldn't care less
   about the freedom of those who would seek to close the code.
  
  So, in other words, it's all right not to offer freedom to all.

 No, in other words freedom must be protected against those who would
 seek to deny it.

  Had you not licensed your software under the GPL, you could have
  benefitted from their efforts to extend your BSD-style copyrighted
  software.  This is what has happened with companies like Apple and
  BSDi who have used the Berkeley UNIX codebase, as an example.  Neither
  of those companies have contributed all of their changes back to the
  community, but then again, many of their changes would not be
  appropriate for distribution.

 That's not up to them to decide.  Under the GPL, if you distribute
 modified code then you must publish your enhancements for the benefit
 of all.  The team responsible for the core code can decide whether the
 contributed code is appropriate for distribution.

Yes, and that's fine, but it's not free.  You've encumbered the software
with restrictions.

 The GPL basically says that if you don't want to distribute your changes,
 and want to use GPLed software, then start from scratch and write it
 all yourself.  The BSD says I've spent a lot of time on this, but
 I'm happy for you to lock it up, make modifications and pretend that
 you wrote it all.

Pretend that you wrote it all?  No, big license violation.  Go read the
BSD license and don't even think of replying to this message until you
do.

   People who say the GPL strips some of these freedoms really don't
   understand what freedom means.
  
  Yeah.  GPL...  let's slap some restrictions on what people can do.
  Surely encumbering software with restrictions on what you can do with
  it is more free than software that lets you do what you want.  Isn't
  that an Ashcroft-esque definition of freedom?

 The whole point of the GPL is to protect the freedom of the code, 

The freedom of the code?

People have freedoms.  Code is an object.  That's like saying to protect
the freedom of my car or to protect the freedom of my gun or to protect
the freedom of my computer.  Only a bunch of computer geeks who have read
too many rights of robots scifi stories would realistically believe that
somehow code could have any rights.

How about the right to exist?  Will it become illegal for me to delete
software from a computing system?  If code doesn't even have that basic
right, then how is it you're arguing for rights so much more abstract?

Come on, get real.

 for
 the benefit of all.  If you consider the fact that you can't lock up
 the code and release it as a proprietary binary to be a restriction then
 I have no sympathy.  Release your changes freely as open source and
 stop whining.

Sometimes the changes are not appropriate to release as open source.
Sometimes you /can't/, for legal or liability reasons.

  In the remaining cases, you basically have people who don't want to
  contribute their changes back, for whatever reason (and there are valid
  reasons for this). 
  
 a) This does not hurt a BSD licensed project, whereas
  
 b) The GPL'd project loses out if the person becomes motivated to go
write a BSD licensed version of their product, so that they can
then go and make their further undistributed changes in peace.
  
This is especially damaging when there would have been a mix of
noncontributed changes and also contributed changes coming back
to the project, but instead now you have a competing project.
 
 That's all a nonsense.  You started talking about people who don't
 want to contribute their changes back and then qualified it in (b)
 by saying that the project would have lost out.  In this case, the
 project was in a no-win situation from the moment that person found
 it.

No.  Look at the case of Apple, as one trivial counterexample.

 With the GPL, if a person doesn't want to distribute the source and
 all changes then they can either (a) not distribute anything at all
 (b) create their own competing product.
 
 I welcome competition.  You obviously have a proprietary outlook.

No, I have a practical outlook, tempered by years of experience as a
software author, including in fields such as medical monitoring.

Have you ever written code for something like a medical monitor?  For
numerous reasons, you don't want that code available to the public.  You
don't need some not-smart-enough hospital techie trying to make changes
to it, figuring out how to override the safeguards and then installing it
on your equipment, and then suddenly having liability issues.

That doesn't mean that during the course of coding that project, that you
run across a nice high performance GPL'd line drawing algorithm, which is
perfect except that it doesn't draw antialiased lines, and while you would
have no problem writing and returning the antialiased 

RE: [Asterisk-Users] New Project - IP Phone Sources

2004-10-15 Thread Brian C. Fertig
You have more options than you know.  You could go with a channel bank
if you want to keep support for the analog phones in the classrooms
now(my school had them)  or you could goto the next step with the sip
phones.  I have looked around and found a couple vendors to be fairly
inexpensive. 

Check this link out: 

http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-VOIP+Phones

Check under hardphones.  It's a very good resource for the information
your looking for.  As far as the dialplan.  It would take no time to
build what your looking for and get everything setup.

Got any questions feel free to drop me a email

 
 
.o---o.
Brian Fertig
Network Engineer
Planet Telecom, Inc.
Tampa, FL Office
813.864.3161x107 Office
813.864.3164 Direct
813.817.9961 Cellular
813.881.9762 Fax
Web: www.planet-telecom.com
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stewart M.
Ives
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 12:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New Project - IP Phone Sources


Hello,

Background:  Old to UNIX  Linus, New to list. A techie Dad that
supports
local k-8 school that my kids go to.

More background:  Recently the school wanted to put phones in all the
classrooms for teacher communications to/from the office.  Another Dad
in the
telecom business spec'ed out a standard PBX with wiring, etc.  Needless
to say
it was Expensive with a Captitol E.  Anyway I started looking around
at open
source and found Asterisk.  We currently have a complete switched
network
within the school (jsut replaced all hubs with switches) and have
multiple
PC's in each classroom as well as the front office.  We also run RH
Linux for
our webserver, email server, file server, Websense server, and library
software server.

Question: If I just want to provide IP Telephony within the school and
have no
outside connections to the local phone system I suspect I can install
Asterisk
on a RH Linux server and plug in a bunch of IP Telephones on the
network,
config it all and it will work.  The only cost to the school would be
the IP
Telephones.  Correct??  I know it would involve a bit more configuration
and
planning as I have stated but basically is the idea correct??

Question:  What phones or types of phones should I be looking at.  I
suspect
there are new ones coming out every day.  I'm just interested in the
most
basic phone to plug into the network.  Nothing fancy, basic, basic,
basic.  I
also know I can use soft phones but do not want to go there as it makes
just
another application we have to be responsible for on the desktop.

Many thanks in advance.

BTW, the school is:   www.sainttheresaschool.org

stew


 Stewart M. Ives
 SofTEC USA
 WebSite: www.softecusa.com

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] New Project - IP Phone Sources

2004-10-15 Thread Brent Franks
See comments inline...

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stewart M. Ives
 Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 12:05 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New Project - IP Phone Sources
 
 Question: If I just want to provide IP Telephony within the school and
 have no
 outside connections to the local phone system I suspect I can install
 Asterisk
 on a RH Linux server and plug in a bunch of IP Telephones on the
network,
 config it all and it will work.  The only cost to the school would be
the
 IP
 Telephones.  Correct??  I know it would involve a bit more
configuration
 and
 planning as I have stated but basically is the idea correct??

Stew, Asterisk is definitely the perfect application for which you are
trying to accomplish.  You could even integrate asterisk into the
current PBX if you wanted.  But simply putting up an asterisk server and
some sort of IP hardphone would work perfect for your scenario.


 
 Question:  What phones or types of phones should I be looking at.  I
 suspect
 there are new ones coming out every day.  I'm just interested in the
most
 basic phone to plug into the network.  Nothing fancy, basic, basic,
basic.
 I
 also know I can use soft phones but do not want to go there as it
makes
 just
 another application we have to be responsible for on the desktop.

The most basic phones, I think many will agree, are Grandstreams.  From
what I have read they seem to have pretty good integration with *.  I
have never used these, but have used Polycom IP 500's.  For a business,
in my case a law firm, these phones have worked pretty reliably.

Best regards,

- Brent

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] New Project - IP Phone Sources

2004-10-15 Thread Yiannis
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stewart M.
Ives
Sent: 15 October 2004 17:05
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New Project - IP Phone Sources



Hello,

Background:  Old to UNIX  Linus, New to list. A techie Dad that supports
local k-8 school that my kids go to.

More background:  Recently the school wanted to put phones in all the
classrooms for teacher communications to/from the office.  Another Dad in
the
telecom business spec'ed out a standard PBX with wiring, etc.  Needless to
say
it was Expensive with a Captitol E.  Anyway I started looking around at
open
source and found Asterisk.  We currently have a complete switched network
within the school (jsut replaced all hubs with switches) and have multiple
PC's in each classroom as well as the front office.  We also run RH Linux
for
our webserver, email server, file server, Websense server, and library
software server.

Question: If I just want to provide IP Telephony within the school and have
no
outside connections to the local phone system I suspect I can install
Asterisk
on a RH Linux server and plug in a bunch of IP Telephones on the network,
config it all and it will work.  The only cost to the school would be the IP
Telephones.  Correct??  I know it would involve a bit more configuration and
planning as I have stated but basically is the idea correct??

-Correct!

Question:  What phones or types of phones should I be looking at.  I suspect
there are new ones coming out every day.  I'm just interested in the most
basic phone to plug into the network.  Nothing fancy, basic, basic, basic.
I
also know I can use soft phones but do not want to go there as it makes just
another application we have to be responsible for on the desktop.

-I don't think you can get any less basic than the Grandstream Budgetone
101. The do still have features though.

Yiannis.

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] New Project - IP Phone Sources

2004-10-15 Thread Michael Giagnocavo
Question: If I just want to provide IP Telephony within the school and have
no
outside connections to the local phone system I suspect I can install
Asterisk
on a RH Linux server and plug in a bunch of IP Telephones on the network,
config it all and it will work.  The only cost to the school would be the
IP
Telephones.  Correct??  I know it would involve a bit more configuration
and
planning as I have stated but basically is the idea correct??

Yes. You will spend some time configuring stuff, but it should work just
fine. Between the list and #asterisk on irc.freenode.net you shouldn't have
too much trouble.

Question:  What phones or types of phones should I be looking at.  I
suspect
there are new ones coming out every day.  I'm just interested in the most
basic phone to plug into the network.  Nothing fancy, basic, basic, basic.
I
also know I can use soft phones but do not want to go there as it makes
just
another application we have to be responsible for on the desktop.

Check out: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-VOIP+Phones

I think the Grandstream BudgeTones are the cheapest ones you'll find. You
could also use an adapter to use existing analog phones, but I don't think
that'll save much money.

-Michael


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Advice on OS Choice

2004-10-15 Thread Joe Greco
 Joe Greco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  By the way, assuming you've contributed code to Linux, did you get your
  check from RedHat for RHEL?  Thought not.

 I was invited to take part in their IPO, under the friends of Red Hat
 scheme, which made me over £120,000 profit on my investment.  Does that
 count?  Thought not.

So they let you buy some stock.  Did you have to pay for it?  Did they give
stock to all Linux contributors whose work they benefitted from?

See, I bought stock, years ago, while working for a company.  I don't
consider the return on investment to be compensation for having worked
there.  That'd be kinda silly.

If they gave the stock to you, and to all the other contributors whose
work they benefitted from, then I am very much mistaken, and I apologize.

If they didn't, then I don't think you got your check from RedHat for
RHEL, and that brings up the question  do you approve of what they
did with your code?   Specifically, did you expect that they would sell
your code in a distribution that essentially forbids redistribution?

Hopefully we can at least agree that what they did was distasteful at
best.

... JG
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With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.
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[Asterisk-Users] Cannot reach a SIP device

2004-10-15 Thread Sudhir Kumar
I am trying to call a my friend who has GS HandyTone-486 behind a
firewall but it goes to his voicemail straightway. Surprisingly, he can
call me fine. I also see that his device is properly registered. Can
anyone help me resolve this problem.

In my sip.conf I do have canreinvite=no and nat=yes.
In the GS HandyTone, he has set use random port = yes and 
NAT traversal = yes

When he calls me, there is no problem at all, audio is fine too.

Thanks,
-- sudhir


Here are some debug messages from the Server:

cequip2*CLI database show
 ..
/SIP/Registry/3110 : 168.243.154.92:63210:300:3110
 .



cequip2*CLI sip debug ip 168.243.154.92
SIP Debugging Enabled for IP: 168.243.154.92


After I call him from my extension:

Peer RTP is at port 192.168.2.4:0
-- Executing Dial(SIP/4390-8620, SIP/3110|15|rt) in new stack
We're at 66.251.6.188 port 10502
12 headers, 7 lines
Reliably Transmitting:
INVITE sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:63210 SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 66.251.6.188:5060;branch=z9hG4bK3ac3b9e8
From: Sudhir Kumar sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED];tag=as009f251d
To: sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:63210
Contact: sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Call-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CSeq: 102 INVITE
User-Agent: Asterisk PBX
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:50:24 GMT
Allow: INVITE, ACK, CANCEL, OPTIONS, BYE, REFER
Content-Type: application/sdp
Content-Length: 136

v=0
o=root 26933 26933 IN IP4 66.251.6.188
s=session
c=IN IP4 66.251.6.188
t=0 0
m=audio 10502 RTP/AVP
a=silenceSupp:off - - - -
 (NAT) to 168.243.154.92:63210
-- Called 3110
cequip2*CLI 

Sip read: 
SIP/2.0 415 
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 66.251.6.188:5060;branch=z9hG4bK3ac3b9e8
From: Sudhir Kumar sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED];tag=as009f251d
To: sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:63210;tag=9a40e4e5aafd25aa
Call-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CSeq: 102 INVITE
User-Agent: Grandstream HT486 1.0.5.10
Content-Length: 0


8 headers, 0 lines
-- Got SIP response 415  back from 168.243.154.92
Transmitting:
ACK sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:63210 SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 66.251.6.188:5060;branch=z9hG4bK3ac3b9e8
From: Sudhir Kumar sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED];tag=as009f251d
To: sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:63210;tag=9a40e4e5aafd25aa
Contact: sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Call-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CSeq: 102 ACK
User-Agent: Asterisk PBX
Content-Length: 0

 (NAT) to 168.243.154.92:63210
  == No one is available to answer at this time
-- Executing VoiceMail(SIP/4390-8620, 3110) in new stack
-- Playing 'vm-intro' (language 'en')
Destroying call '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
  == Spawn extension (default, 3110, 2) exited non-zero on
'SIP/4390-8620'






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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zap Channel wait for #

2004-10-15 Thread Christopher Jacob
Message: 6
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:29:01 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zap Channel wait for #
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

Does the option A(filename) not work for you?

The A(filename) option will not fire until after the called party presses #.
When they first answer the call they only get silence... I have a find me
routine that I use but I forward the call with the original caller ID. There
are two reasons why I want to use this option... One is to let the called
party know that this call is coming via asterisk and the other is to prevent
voicemail from grabbing the call before I have a chance to pull it back and
move on to the next step.

~c 


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[Asterisk-Users] Re: Advice on OS Choice

2004-10-15 Thread Tony Mountifield
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Kevin Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 That's not up to them to decide.  Under the GPL, if you distribute
 modified code then you must publish your enhancements for the benefit
 of all.  The team responsible for the core code can decide whether the
 contributed code is appropriate for distribution.

That's not how I understand the GPL. My understanding is that the GPL
gives me the freedom to take some GPLed code, modify it, and distribute
the modified code to whomsoever I choose, for free or for a payment.  I
must also make the source code freely available (on request, if I prefer)
to anyone to whom I distribute binaries.

It does *not* compel me to distribute my version to everyone, but I also
cannot prevent those people I give or sell it to from passing it on in
binary and/or source form to anyone else if they choose to.

Cheers
Tony
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[Asterisk-Users] New Open Source Project: Asterisk Management Portal

2004-10-15 Thread Jason Becker
Salutations,
In hopes of accelerating the adoption of Asterisk and changing the 
landscape of the small business marketplace, we are contributing our 
administration interface to a new project that aims to bundle 
best-of-breed applications to produce a canned (but fully functional) 
turnkey small business phone system.

Details of the project can be found here:
http://amp.voxbox.ca
Regards,
--
Jason Becker
Director  CEO
Coalescent Systems Inc.
403.244.8089
www.voxbox.ca
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] app_queue manager API

2004-10-15 Thread Paul Crick
Ben

Check out Action: QueueStatus - it'll list the stats for each queue as well
as listing each queue member verbosely.

Cheers
Paul

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] New Project - IP Phone Sources

2004-10-15 Thread Gonzalo Servat
Hi Stewart,

Nice project! Something I'd certainly love to be doing myself. Anyway,
the following replies I've made to your questions are based on my
experience and past research. There may be better/cheaper alternatives.
In any case, I hope it helps:

On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 12:05 -0400, Stewart M. Ives wrote:
 Hello,
[snip]
 
 Question: If I just want to provide IP Telephony within the school and have no
 outside connections to the local phone system I suspect I can install Asterisk
 on a RH Linux server and plug in a bunch of IP Telephones on the network,
 config it all and it will work.  The only cost to the school would be the IP
 Telephones.  Correct??  I know it would involve a bit more configuration and
 planning as I have stated but basically is the idea correct??

 Question:  What phones or types of phones should I be looking at.  I suspect
 there are new ones coming out every day.  I'm just interested in the most
 basic phone to plug into the network.  Nothing fancy, basic, basic, basic.  I
 also know I can use soft phones but do not want to go there as it makes just
 another application we have to be responsible for on the desktop.
 
 Many thanks in advance.

Pretty much. You have the following options as far as I can see (and I'm
sure there's more):

1) FXS Adapter - The IAXy[1] is a nice (and cute) device which allows
you to connect a single analog telephone and provide VoIP connectivity
using IAX to your Asterisk server. Buying the device helps support
Asterisk. The only catch is that it only supports one analog phone.
Keeping price in consideration, the only other device I would recommend
is the Sipura SPA-2000 which supports 2 analog telephones per device
(you would need one SPA-2000 per 2 classrooms (one analog phone per
classroom))

2) Digium TDM40B[2] (includes the TDM400P card plus the 4 FXS modules):
This configuration provides 4 x FXS (analog telephone) ports on a single
half-length PCI card. I just checked the Digium site and they're selling
the TDM40B for $305 (works out to be around $76 per telephone).
Certainly the best way of doing it, IMHO. Keep in mind with this
solution you would need telephone wiring FROM the Asterisk server where
the TDM40B lives to all the classrooms. With the IAXy or the SPA-2000
you just need telephone wiring from the unit itself to each classroom
it's providing VoIP to.
Great thing about this solution is that you can mix and match. If, for
instance, the school decided to get a telephone line hooked up to the
system, you can buy a FXO module and swap it for an unused FXS module,
or configure it however you want.

3) VoIP Telephones: Cheapest is the infamous Grandstream[3] BudgeTone
(AKA BarbieTone). Well, actually, I shouldn't say infamous since I've
not had a problem with them myself, but you'll find many reports from
other users on the mailing list archives about the myriad of problems
you can have with them. If you already have a network connection going
into each classroom, this (or the FXS adapters) may be the best option.

Hope this helps!

Best regards,
Gonzalo

[1] http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=iaxy
[2] http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=wildcard_tdm400p2
[3] http://www.grandstream.com/y-bt100.htm

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] app_queue manager API

2004-10-15 Thread Ben Merrills
Ah cheers,

It seems to have changed to add the event ' QueueEntry' from when I last
looked at the src.

Cheers for your help

Ben

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Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] app_queue  manager API

Ben

Check out Action: QueueStatus - it'll list the stats for each queue as
well
as listing each queue member verbosely.

Cheers
Paul

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] New Open Source Project: Asterisk Management Portal

2004-10-15 Thread Patrick
On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 18:56, Jason Becker wrote:
 Salutations,
 
 In hopes of accelerating the adoption of Asterisk and changing the 
 landscape of the small business marketplace, we are contributing our 
 administration interface to a new project that aims to bundle 
 best-of-breed applications to produce a canned (but fully functional) 
 turnkey small business phone system.
 
 Details of the project can be found here:
 
 http://amp.voxbox.ca

Hi Jason,

Thank you very much for your contribution. Small remark: no website is
complete withoutscreenshots! :)

Regards,
Patrick

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Advice on OS Choice

2004-10-15 Thread Kevin Walsh
Tony Mountifield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Kevin Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  That's not up to them to decide.  Under the GPL, if you distribute
  modified code then you must publish your enhancements for the benefit
  of all.  The team responsible for the core code can decide whether the
  contributed code is appropriate for distribution.
 
 That's not how I understand the GPL. My understanding is that the GPL
 gives me the freedom to take some GPLed code, modify it, and distribute
 the modified code to whomsoever I choose, for free or for a payment.  I
 must also make the source code freely available (on request, if I prefer)
 to anyone to whom I distribute binaries.

 It does *not* compel me to distribute my version to everyone, but I also
 cannot prevent those people I give or sell it to from passing it on in
 binary and/or source form to anyone else if they choose to.

Ok.  You're not obliged to submit your modifications back to the core
project, although it is polite to attempt to do so.  You are obliged
to provide (or make available) the full source to both the original
project and your modifications, to whomever you distribute your
version.  Your modifications might make it back into the official
version, or they might not - that decision would be up to the core
team to decide.

Your understanding of the GPL appears to be correct, and I'm glad to
see that it doesn't contradict my understanding.

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[Asterisk-Users] RE: Cannot reach a SIP device (Sudhir Kumar)

2004-10-15 Thread Sudhir Kumar
Never mind, I found out what the problem was. On investigating the
response 415, I discovered that codecs could not be negotiated properly.
I changed the codecs on server and HandyTone, works great now.

-- sudhir

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] New Open Source Project: Asterisk Management Portal

2004-10-15 Thread Ryan Courtnage
Patrick wrote:
Thank you very much for your contribution. Small remark: no website is
complete withoutscreenshots! :)
Regards,
Patrick
Hi Patrick,
Right you are!
We'll work on getting some up.  In the mean time, have a look at:
http://www.voxbox.ca/products.php?display=4
The interface is exactly the same, minus the 'voxbox' brand.
Cheers
--
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Director  CTO
Coalescent Systems Inc
403.244.8089
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Advice on OS Choice

2004-10-15 Thread Kevin Walsh
 In our last exciting episode, Kevin Walsh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
  Perhaps steal was a bit harsh then.  Maybe I should have said Apple,
  Microsoft and others close the source with no compensation nor
  recognition given to the original authors, as allowed by the stupid BSD
  license.  It's the authors' fault really.  They live and learn. 
  Perhaps they'll use the GPL next time.
 
 The BSD license says nothing about compensation; have you read it lately?
 
  * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
  * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions
  * are met:
  * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright
  *notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.
  * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright
  *notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the
  *documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution.
 
 Nope, not in there. Sorry.

Perhaps you should have read my article before rushing to respond.
If you did then you'd notice the as allowed by the stupid BSD license
part.

 
 You are mocking software authors who make a CONSCIOUS choice to use the
 BSD license (or other BSD-style licenses) by calling it stupid. Perhaps
 they are uncomfortable with some of the restrictions imposed by the GPL?

The original author would have no restrictions imposed upon them.
The restriction applies to people who would like to close the source
and incorporate it into a preparatory, closed source, product.

Perhaps you'd be happy to see Asterisk released under a BSD license,
rather than the GPL.  Perhaps you'd also be happy to see a Microsoft
PBX with embrace and extend features and a future defacto standard
closed-source MS-IAX protocol.  The GPL prevents this and thereby
protects software freedom, the BSD license would not.

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[Asterisk-Users] FXS port to use an Analog phone as a door phone.

2004-10-15 Thread Ariel's Hotmail
Hello all. I have a problem which I do not find a solution to. I need to
have a Plain jane analog phone when you pick it up With you dialing any
numbers (Dial Pad is broken) it dials automatically for you. This is going
to be for a door phone. Or in another case it's for a phone in an elevator.
Remember there not plugged into an FXO but normal FXS ports.

I have put the zap port context like this. But it does not work.

[door]
exten = s,1,Answer
exten = s,2,Dial(Zap/2)
exten = s,3,Hangup

In the context for Zapata.conf

signaling=fxo_ks
Context=door
immediate=yes
Channel=1

Does anyone have any idea?


Ariel Batista
Kasi International - Computer Networking
Ph: 305-574-6721x121
Fx: 305-574-0212
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] New Open Source Project: Asterisk Management Portal

2004-10-15 Thread Jim Van Meggelen
BRILLIANT MOVE!

Kudos to you for your decision to contribute your efforts back into the
community!


Regards,

Jim Van Meggelen
Core Telecom Group
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Jason Becker
 Sent: October 15, 2004 12:56 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New Open Source Project: Asterisk 
 Management Portal
 
 
 Salutations,
 
 In hopes of accelerating the adoption of Asterisk and changing the 
 landscape of the small business marketplace, we are contributing our 
 administration interface to a new project that aims to bundle 
 best-of-breed applications to produce a canned (but fully 
 functional) 
 turnkey small business phone system.
 
 Details of the project can be found here:
 
http://amp.voxbox.ca

Regards,

-- 
Jason Becker
Director  CEO
Coalescent Systems Inc.
403.244.8089
www.voxbox.ca
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Advice on OS Choice

2004-10-15 Thread Kevin Walsh
Joe Greco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Have you ever written code for something like a medical monitor?  For
 numerous reasons, you don't want that code available to the public.  You
 don't need some not-smart-enough hospital techie trying to make changes
 to it, figuring out how to override the safeguards and then installing it
 on your equipment, and then suddenly having liability issues.

Making the code available and allowing unqualified people to tinker
with live medical equipment are two separate issues.  You're getting
confused now.


 That doesn't mean that during the course of coding that project, that you
 run across a nice high performance GPL'd line drawing algorithm, which is
 perfect except that it doesn't draw antialiased lines, and while you would
 have no problem writing and returning the antialiased line code back to
 that project, you don't want your entire product becoming subject to the
 GPL. 

If you don't like the terms of the license chosen by the author(s) of
another project then write your own code.  If you want to take some
GPLed code and don't want to release your project as open source, under
the GPL, then write your own code.  I don't see the problem.

 
 That's (close to) real world.  In reality, we had a somewhat larger
 example (plus some other miscellaneous examples) of something that would
 have been nice to use, and which would have benefitted from returned
 changes, had they not been licensed under GPL.  We did, in fact, make
 great use of X11, contributed various code fixes and other things back
 to that project, though the driver I wrote for the propietary touchscreen
 stuff was not sent back to MIT...  what would the point have been?
 
If you haven't realised the point of open source software and software
freedom by now then I can't really see the benefit in explaining it to
you again.  Perhaps you should apply for a job at Microsoft or Apple.

 
  At least the GPL would have
  protected the project from an even worse situation - wholesale code
  theft and lock-up.
 
 Theft?  Lock-up?  No.  That's what happens when someone actually breaks a
 license.

Exactly.  The BSD would allow this sort of thing to continue legally.
The GPL would not, and purposefully prevents open source software from
being closed.

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] New Open Source Project: Asterisk Management Portal

2004-10-15 Thread Gonzalo Servat
  Salutations,
  
  In hopes of accelerating the adoption of Asterisk and changing the 
  landscape of the small business marketplace, we are contributing our 
  administration interface to a new project that aims to bundle 
  best-of-breed applications to produce a canned (but fully 
  functional) 
  turnkey small business phone system.
  
  Details of the project can be found here:
  
 http://amp.voxbox.ca

After looking at the screenshots, I must say it looks very promising.
Great work, and thank you for contributing back to the community!

Regards,
Gonzalo

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[Asterisk-Users] grandstream bt-486 can only dial with #

2004-10-15 Thread Matthew Simpson
I have a grandstream BT-486 in the lab running 1.0.5.11 firmware.
For the past three days I've had no trouble dialing out without hitting #. 
I had the setting for using # as dial key to no in the config.

Today the BT wouldn't pass outgoing calls.  I turned on # as dial key and it 
works now if I hit # at the end.  I have changed nothing on the BT-486 and 
nothing on the * box it is connected to.

Anybody seen this happen before?
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[Asterisk-Users] CHANUNAVAIL = CHANUNAVAIL doesn't eval properly

2004-10-15 Thread Matthew Boehm
Here is the relevant dialplan:

 exten = _3XXX,1,Dial(SIP/${EXTEN},15,tr)
 exten = _3XXX,2,Voicemail([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 exten = _3XXX,102,GotoIf($[${DIALSTATUS}==CHANUNAVAIL]?i,1:103)
 exten = _3XXX,103,Voicemail([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 exten = i,1,Playback(invalid)
 exten = i,2,Hangup()

What 'should' happen is that if someone dials any extension starting with 3,
Dial attempts to dial it. If there is no such channel, set DIALSTATUS and
goto priority n + 101.  Then check result of DIALSTATUS.  If DIALSTATUS is
equal to CHANUNAVAIL then goto extension 'i' else goto priority 103.

Here is an attempt to dial non-existant extension 3652:

Oct 15 13:10:06 WARNING[1116730816]: chan_sip.c:1384 create_addr: No such
host: 3652
Oct 15 13:10:06 NOTICE[1116730816]: app_dial.c:742 dial_exec: Unable to
create channel of type 'SIP'
  == Everyone is busy/congested at this time
-- Executing GotoIf(SIP/3044-9a9c,
CHANUNAVAIL=CHANUNAVAIL?cytel-internal|i|1:103) in new stack
-- Goto (cytel-internal,3652,103)
-- Executing VoiceMail(SIP/3044-9a9c, [EMAIL PROTECTED]) in new stack
Oct 15 13:10:06 WARNING[1116730816]: app_voicemail.c:1367 leave_voicemail:
No entry in voicemail config file for '3652'

It seems that CHANUNAVAIL does not equal CHANUNAVAIL in this case. This is
incorrect. Any ideas?

Thanks,
Matthew

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Advice on OS Choice

2004-10-15 Thread Rich Adamson
   Perhaps steal was a bit harsh then.  Maybe I should have said Apple,
   Microsoft and others close the source with no compensation nor
   recognition given to the original authors, as allowed by the stupid BSD
   license.  It's the authors' fault really.  They live and learn. 
   Perhaps they'll use the GPL next time.
  
  The BSD license says nothing about compensation; have you read it lately?

Come on guys, can we get back to * and stop this. 99% of the folks on
this list don't care about license perceptions and personal opinions.
Take it off list.


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] FXS port to use an Analog phone as a door phone.

2004-10-15 Thread james
On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 13:27, Ariel's Hotmail wrote:
 Hello all. I have a problem which I do not find a solution to. I need to
 have a Plain jane analog phone when you pick it up With you dialing any
 numbers (Dial Pad is broken) it dials automatically for you. This is going
 to be for a door phone. Or in another case it's for a phone in an elevator.
 Remember there not plugged into an FXO but normal FXS ports.

You can get phones that will dial a # when they go off-hook. Try
http://www.redhotphones.com or their other websites listed on their
site. Some are pure doorphones (black box with speaker and a call
button) and some are phones without a dial.

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[Asterisk-Users] Sample advanced call routing standard extension

2004-10-15 Thread Eric Wieling
[default]
;
; Eric Wieling
;
exten = 2120,1,SetVar(DND=)
exten = 2120,2,SetVar(CFU_DEST=)
exten = 2120,3,SetVar(CFU_TIMEOUT=)
exten = 2120,4,SetVar(CFU_MESSAGE=)
exten = 2120,5,SetVar(CFU_FLAGS=)
exten = 2120,6,SetVar(CFU_LIMIT=)
exten = 2120,7,SetVar(DIAL_DEST=Zap/2)
exten = 2120,8,SetVar(DIAL_TIMEOUT=15)
exten = 2120,9,SetVar(DIAL_FLAGS=)
exten = 2120,10,SetVar(DIAL_LIMIT=1)
exten = 2120,11,SetVar(CFNA_DEST=)
exten = 2120,12,SetVar(CFNA_TIMEOUT=)
exten = 2120,13,SetVar(CFNA_MESSAGE=)
exten = 2120,14,SetVar(CFNA_FLAGS=)
exten = 2120,15,SetVar(CFNA_LIMIT=1)
exten = 2120,16,SetVar(CFBL_DEST=)
exten = 2120,17,SetVar(CFBL_TIMEOUT=)
exten = 2120,18,SetVar(CFBL_MESSAGE=)
exten = 2120,19,SetVar(CFBL_FLAGS=)
exten = 2120,20,SetVar(CFBL_LIMIT=)
exten = 2120,21,SetVar(OPER_DEST=${COLISEUM}/2221${ORMOND}/95042325606)
exten = 2120,22,SetVar(OPER_TIMEOUT=20)
exten = 2120,23,SetVar(OPER_MESSAGE=)
exten = 2120,24,SetVar(OPER_FLAGS=)
exten = 2120,25,SetVar(OPER_LIMIT=)
exten = 2120,26,Macro(std-exten)
[macro-std-exten]
;
; This macro is controlled by the following variables set before the macro
; is called.  The variables can be set using SetVar, DBGet, AGI, web based
; CGI script, manager interface, government mind control rays, etc.  How
; they are set is up to you.
;
; MOH_CLASS - Music on Hold Class.  Set the music on hold class to this
; value.  If empty, don't change the current MOH class.
;
; DND - Do Not Disturb.  If this variable is not empty, then send call
; directly to unavailable voicemail.  Example: SetVar(DND=1) or
; SetVar(DND=blah) or SetVar(DND=)
;
; DND_MESSAGE - When DND is set, play this audio file before going to
; unavailable voicemail. Example: 
SetVar(DND_MESSAGE=/tmp/happy-message) or
; SetVar(DND_MESSAGE=)
;
; CFU_DEST - Call Forward Unconditional.  If set, unconditionally dial
; this destination.  If empty, don't Call Forward Unconditionaly. 
Example:
; SetVar(CFU_DEST=IAX2/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/1234) or SetVar(CFU_DEST=)
;
; CFU_TIMEOUT - When dialing CFU_DEST, how many seconds to wait before
; giving up and going to unavailable voicemail.  If empty or 0, never
; timeout.  Example: SetVar(CFU_TIMEOUT=20)
;
; CFU_MESSAGE - When dialing CFU_DEST, play this audio file to the caller
; first.  If empty, don't play anything.  Example:
; SetVar(CFU_MESSAGE=/tmp/happy-message) or SetVar(CFU_MESSAGE=)
;
; CFU_FLAGS - When dialing CFU_DEST, use this variable as the optons on to
; the Dial command.  If empty, use the default Dial flags. Example:
; SetVar(CFU_FLAGS=mH) or SetVar(CFU_FLAGS=)
;
; CFU_LIMIT - When dialing CFU_DEST, this is the maximum number of
; simultaneous calls to allow.  If empty or 0, allow unlimited 
simultaneous
; calls.  Example: SetVar(CFU_LIMIT=1) or SetVar(CFU_LIMIT=)
;
; DIAL_DEST - If DND and CFU_DEST are not set, dial this destination.  If
; empty go to unavailable voicemail.  If all the destinations are busy 
dial
; CFBL_DEST.  Example: SetVar(CFU_DEST=IAX2/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/1234) or
; SetVar(CFU_DEST=SIP/1234Zap/4)
;
; DIAL_TIMEOUT -  How many seconds to wait before giving up and trying
; Call Forward No Answer.  If empty or 0, never timeout. Example:
; SetVar(DIAL_TIMEOUT=20)
;
; DIAL_FLAGS - Use this variable as the optons on to the Dial command.  If
; empty, use the default Dial flags. Example: SetVar(DIAL_FLAGS=mH) or
; SetVar(DIAL_FLAGS=)
;
; CFNA_DEST - Call Forward No Answer.  If DIAL_TIMEOUT expires when
; dialing DIAL_DEST (call was not answered) then dial this destination. If
; empty, don't Call Forward No Answer and go directly to unavailable
; voicemail.  If all destinations are busy go directly to unavailable
; voicemail.  Example: SetVar(CFNA_DEST=IAX2/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/1234) or
; SetVar(CFU_DEST=SIP/1234Zap/4) or SetVar(CFNA_DEST=)
;
; CFNA_TIMEOUT - When dialing CFNA_DEST, how many seconds to wait before
; giving up and going to unavailable voicemail.  If empty or 0, never
; timeout.  Example: SetVar(CFNA_TIMEOUT=20)
;
; CFNA_MESSAGE - Before dialing CFNA_DEST, play this audio file to the
; caller first.  If empty, don't play anything.  Example:
; SetVar(CFNA_MESSAGE=/tmp/happy-message) or SetVar(CFNA_MESSAGE=)
;
; CFNA_FLAGS - When dialing CFNA_DEST, use this variable as the optons on
; to the Dial command.  If empty, use the default Dial flags. Example:
; SetVar(CFNA_FLAGS=mH) or SetVar(CFNA_FLAGS=)
;
; CFNA_LIMIT - When dialing CFNA_DEST, this is the maximum number of
; simultaneous calls to allow.  If empty or 0, allow unlimited 
simultaneous
; calls.  Example: SetVar(CFNA_LIMIT=1) or SetVar(CFNA_LIMIT=)
;
; CFBL_DEST - Call Forward Busy Line.  If destination is busy when dialing
; DIAL_DEST then dial this destination. If empty, don't Call Forward Busy
; Line and go directly to busy voicemail.  Example:
; SetVar(CFBL_DEST=IAX2/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/1234) or 
SetVar(CFBL_DEST=SIP/1234Zap/4)
; or SetVar(CFBL_DEST=)
;
; CFBL_TIMEOUT - When dialing CFBL_DEST, how many seconds to wait before
; giving up and going to busy voicemail.  If empty or 0, never timeout.
; 

[Asterisk-Users] T100P Frame Errors

2004-10-15 Thread Cirelle Enterprises
I have been messing with the T100P card with and without data
for over a week now, and still to no avail.

Just got off the phone with our T1 provider to make sure our settings
were correct for the T1 in zaptel.

zaptel.conf:
span=0,1,0,esf,b8zs
nethdlc=1-20
fxsks=21-28
loadzone = us
defaultzone=us


ifconfig just after one traceroute attempt to our provider dns server ip

hdlc0 Link encap:(Cisco)-HDLC  
  inet addr:160.81.118.46  P-t-P:160.81.118.45  Mask:255.255.255.252
  UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:415 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:415
  TX packets:474 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:10 
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:8766 (8.5 Kb)


loLink encap:Local Loopback  
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:42 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:42 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 
  RX bytes:3068 (2.9 Kb)  TX bytes:3068 (2.9 Kb)


My T1 provider seems to think the transmit signal of the T100p is
not strong enough and is the cause of the frame errors on the
RX trip.

The cable works fine with our cisco so I don't think it is a faulty
cable.

The cable is a standard ethernet cable (which is supposed to work
according to digium tech support).  I get the same response when
i use a  t1 xover  1-4 , 2-5  (rj48c)

I have even tried an rj48s but that did not five me any lights on the 
card.

Connecting T100P to HyperEdge DTWA-528-02 Smart Jack (provided by 
verizon)

Has anybody any input or possible resolution?



Regards
Greg Cirino
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] CHANUNAVAIL = CHANUNAVAIL doesn't eval properly

2004-10-15 Thread Eric Wieling
exten = _3XXX,102,GotoIf($[${DIALSTATUS} = CHANUNAVAIL]?i,1:103)
Matthew Boehm wrote:
Here is the relevant dialplan:
 exten = _3XXX,1,Dial(SIP/${EXTEN},15,tr)
 exten = _3XXX,2,Voicemail([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 exten = _3XXX,102,GotoIf($[${DIALSTATUS}==CHANUNAVAIL]?i,1:103)
 exten = _3XXX,103,Voicemail([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 exten = i,1,Playback(invalid)
 exten = i,2,Hangup()
What 'should' happen is that if someone dials any extension starting with 3,
Dial attempts to dial it. If there is no such channel, set DIALSTATUS and
goto priority n + 101.  Then check result of DIALSTATUS.  If DIALSTATUS is
equal to CHANUNAVAIL then goto extension 'i' else goto priority 103.
Here is an attempt to dial non-existant extension 3652:
Oct 15 13:10:06 WARNING[1116730816]: chan_sip.c:1384 create_addr: No such
host: 3652
Oct 15 13:10:06 NOTICE[1116730816]: app_dial.c:742 dial_exec: Unable to
create channel of type 'SIP'
  == Everyone is busy/congested at this time
-- Executing GotoIf(SIP/3044-9a9c,
CHANUNAVAIL=CHANUNAVAIL?cytel-internal|i|1:103) in new stack
-- Goto (cytel-internal,3652,103)
-- Executing VoiceMail(SIP/3044-9a9c, [EMAIL PROTECTED]) in new stack
Oct 15 13:10:06 WARNING[1116730816]: app_voicemail.c:1367 leave_voicemail:
No entry in voicemail config file for '3652'
It seems that CHANUNAVAIL does not equal CHANUNAVAIL in this case. This is
incorrect. Any ideas?
Thanks,
Matthew
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[Asterisk-Users] New asterisk user question

2004-10-15 Thread Micha Nasiadka
Hi,
I'm going to setup asterisk as a voip gateway for remote internet
users. I'm going to use cisco 2600 for it with E1 interface cards. And
I have a few questions.
1. My provider will provide me with a couple of real phone numbers
(MSN it's called iirc), is there a way to assign these numbers to voip
clients (preferably ip phones)? I mean, will it be possible to dial in
to these users?
2. Has anybody been running asterisk on FreeBSD/Linux on a smp amd64
server? Does an asterisk server do a heavy load?
3. Can anybody propose ip phones cheaper than cisco's or avaya's ones?
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] T100P Frame Errors

2004-10-15 Thread Steven Critchfield
On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 14:25 -0400, Cirelle Enterprises wrote:
 I have been messing with the T100P card with and without data
 for over a week now, and still to no avail.
 
 Just got off the phone with our T1 provider to make sure our settings
 were correct for the T1 in zaptel.
 
 zaptel.conf:
 span=0,1,0,esf,b8zs

Spans are 1 based, not zero.
span=1,1,0,esf,b8zs

 nethdlc=1-20
 fxsks=21-28
 loadzone = us
 defaultzone=us

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sample advanced call routing standard extension

2004-10-15 Thread Brian Roy
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:26:12 -0500, Eric Wieling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [default]
 ;
 ; Eric Wieling


Eric, 

Great stuff! I wish more people would post their configs. A lot can be
learned from examples. Maybe find a home on the wiki for this!

-Chuji
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[Asterisk-Users] Should ZAP channels pass CNAM to SIP?

2004-10-15 Thread James Sizemore
signalling=pri_cpe
callerid=asreceived
I see that I get the callerID CNAM in the cdr records, but the 
same information does not show up on the display on my Cisco 7960 
phone only the ANI.  I do get Callerid from voip to voip calls .
Just not on the zap to voip calls.

My question is does anyone have CNAM passing through to voip?
I am trying to figure out if I have a configuration error or this 
is a system limitation.

Sure would be nice to see the name of the weirdos that call me.
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Prerelease of DIAX 0.9.9a

2004-10-15 Thread Steve Kann
Brian West wrote:
Anyway we could talk you into releasing the source?  I would love to see
wider codec support. And the ability to launch the URL sent with the IAX
call.
 

Brian,
   The codec stuff I did, and the source is all available at 
iaxclient.sf.net.  Afaik, all the existing IAX softphones use iaxclient 
except for firefly [and maybe this new one I heard about].  Iaxclient is 
LGPL.

   I just made the codec system modular, so writing your own codec 
driver now takes about an hour.   Already included are GSM, uLaw, speex, 
and ilbc.  I was going to add lpc-10 yesterday, but it seems that it's a 
bit of a PITA to do without copying from asterisk's lpc10 driver 
implementation (which is GPL). 

   I'm actually planning on adding the speex settings stuff in an API 
as well..

-SteveK
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[Asterisk-Users] calling out from a remote * server

2004-10-15 Thread Remco Barende
I have set up 2 * servers and connected them via IAX2, the connection 
works, so far so good.

To optimize on the phone bill however I would like to have calls 
that are local for the remote * server placed through the remote server.

How is this accomplished? I first tried the manual approach (dialing an 
8 would make the call go through the remote * server) but it doesn't work, 
the call is still placed from the local server.

This is what I put in my extensions.conf:
[remote-out]
switch = IAX2/user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/pstn-local
exten = _8.,1,Dial(ZAP/g1/${EXTEN:1},70,T)
exten = _1NXXNXX,1,Dial(ZAP/g1/${EXTEN})
exten = _NXX,1,Dial(ZAP/g1/${EXTEN})
exten = _8.,2,Macro(fastbusy)
Ideally I would also like * to strip the area code if the remote server is 
used (it's a local call then) but this is detail. Ultimately I would like 
to do the same with international calls.

I couldn't find the solution in the wikis.
Thanks all!
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Advice on OS Choice

2004-10-15 Thread Steven Critchfield
On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 16:11 +0100, Kevin Walsh wrote:
 Jason T. Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  In our last exciting episode, Kevin Walsh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
   If GNU/Linux was licensed under a BSD-style license then Red Hat could
   easily close the source - just as Apple did when they stole BSD code
   to create their OS/X effort.  I don't believe that Red Hat would do
   that sort of thing anyway - those tactics are best left to Apple and
   Microsoft.
  
  Umm.. subtle but very important point here. Apple did not steal BSD
  code. BSD code cannot be stolen. It is given away as basically a gift.
  Stealing implies that the person you stole from has now lost something.
 
 Perhaps steal was a bit harsh then.  Maybe I should have said Apple,
 Microsoft and others close the source with no compensation nor
 recognition given to the original authors, as allowed by the stupid BSD
 license.  It's the authors' fault really.  They live and learn.  Perhaps
 they'll use the GPL next time.

Please do not call the BSD license stupid. It has a reason. While I
don't like the connotation of the statement that the GPL is viral, it is
true. BSD licensing allows you to take portions of code private for
interspersing with proprietary code. Both have their basis in beliefs
about the nature of people. 

Person opinions only here but the GPL seems to be pessimistic about the
nature of people and companies. It forces the software it intermingles
with to also be open source. And that by legally forcing code
distributions to be open sourced, it gives the community a greater
chance of getting the derivative works either directly or via a person
willing to purchase the product and share. 

BSD seems to be very optimistic in that there will be enough people
willing to contribute back to a project that the amount not contributed
back won't matter much. 

In the business I work for, we have to be careful of the licenses we use
like everyone else. We keep our eye towards making a profit off of some
of our code, and we are always looking for ways to make money off of
services. Some of our code is BSD licensed and held privately. Some of
our code is held in proprietary licenses. We use GPL software when it
doesn't cause trouble with our motivations. We tend to contribute to all
we can. If we BSD license our code we wish to share as a company, we
don't ever have to worry about someone elses changes causing us trouble
in our proprietary code. We then get the best of both open source
collaberation and proprietary code.

All that and I contribute to both GPL and BSD licensed projects. Neither
side is stupid, just differently motivated.

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