Re: [Asterisk-Users] 3x AVM Fritz!Card PCI for a EuroISDN PBX.

2003-12-01 Thread Thomas Dingermann
David M. Wilson schrieb:
Hi there!

I'm currently considering various PBX solutions for our office telephone
network, and would very much like to use Asterisk. Currently, my
research is incomplete. I have been recommended to use the above cards,
but it is unclear from my Googling whether my configuration will work:
   - 3x Fritz!Card PCI's in one host.
   - 3x 6 b-channels.
   - ~20 Budgetone (and some others) handsets.
Can anyone answer these questions:

   - Will the 3 ISDN cards function correctly in one host?

   - Will running all 3 cards flat out require particularly beefy
 hardware?
   - Will the Grandstream phones provide a good equivilant to
 professional dedicated PBX phones? (assuming a good network)  I
 have read lots about echo problems and so on, is this an issue?
Any help in the matter would be very much appreciated. Thanks in
advance!

You can try http://www.quiss.org/caiviar/Two-Fritzcards-HOWTO

Thomas
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] 3x AVM Fritz!Card PCI for a EuroISDN PBX.

2003-12-01 Thread Michael Bielicki
Thomas Dingermann wrote:

David M. Wilson schrieb:

Hi there!

I'm currently considering various PBX solutions for our office telephone
network, and would very much like to use Asterisk. Currently, my
research is incomplete. I have been recommended to use the above cards,
but it is unclear from my Googling whether my configuration will work:
   - 3x Fritz!Card PCI's in one host.
   - 3x 6 b-channels.
   - ~20 Budgetone (and some others) handsets.
Can anyone answer these questions:

   - Will the 3 ISDN cards function correctly in one host?

   - Will running all 3 cards flat out require particularly beefy
 hardware?
   - Will the Grandstream phones provide a good equivilant to
 professional dedicated PBX phones? (assuming a good network)  I
 have read lots about echo problems and so on, is this an issue?
Any help in the matter would be very much appreciated. Thanks in
advance!

You can try http://www.quiss.org/caiviar/Two-Fritzcards-HOWTO

Thomas

Better get tw quadbri's from kapejod at
http://www.junghanns.net/
and combine them with ISDN phones.
that would give you perfect quality.
cheers

Michael

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] 3x AVM Fritz!Card PCI for a EuroISDN PBX.

2003-12-01 Thread Pavel Litvinenko
Michael Bielicki wrote:

Thomas Dingermann wrote:

David M. Wilson schrieb:

Hi there!

I'm currently considering various PBX solutions for our office 
telephone
network, and would very much like to use Asterisk. Currently, my
research is incomplete. I have been recommended to use the above cards,
but it is unclear from my Googling whether my configuration will work:

   - 3x Fritz!Card PCI's in one host.
   - 3x 6 b-channels.
   - ~20 Budgetone (and some others) handsets.
Can anyone answer these questions:

   - Will the 3 ISDN cards function correctly in one host?

   - Will running all 3 cards flat out require particularly beefy
 hardware?
   - Will the Grandstream phones provide a good equivilant to
 professional dedicated PBX phones? (assuming a good network)  I
 have read lots about echo problems and so on, is this an issue?
Any help in the matter would be very much appreciated. Thanks in
advance!

You can try http://www.quiss.org/caiviar/Two-Fritzcards-HOWTO

Thomas

Better get tw quadbri's from kapejod at
http://www.junghanns.net/
and combine them with ISDN phones.
that would give you perfect quality.


Kapejod, have you released your cards ?

cheers

Michael

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] 3x AVM Fritz!Card PCI for a EuroISDN PBX.

2003-12-01 Thread Grzegorz Nosek
On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 18:15:38 +0100, Peer Oliver schmidt wrote
 David M. Wilson wrote:
 
  Hi there!
 
  I'm currently considering various PBX solutions for our office
telephone
  network, and would very much like to use Asterisk. Currently, my
  research is incomplete. I have been recommended to use the above
cards,
  but it is unclear from my Googling whether my configuration will work:
 
 - 3x Fritz!Card PCI's in one host.
 
 As far as I know, AVM only allows a single Fritz!Card PCI in 
 a PC. I /think/ there is a patch out there to allow more 
 than one. Search the archives to find out more.
 
 I am sure, you will get better results by putting in an 
 active card. Either AVM or EICON. I have /heard/ the EICON 
 cards are preferable because of the on board echo cancellation
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 Best regards
 
 Peer Oliver Schmidt
 the internet company

I'm using two Fritz!Cards in one box without any problems (yes, a
patch was required iirc but I found it quite easily via google...
somewhere on isdn4linux.de methinks). It works as a router/nat,
iax-pstn gateway, mail server, nfs (/home) and smb file server and
php+mysql app server for about a dozen clients. It worked for quite a
time on a p2/400 but we're currently moving it to a celeron/1700 as
the db is getting bigger.

No asterisk related problems whatever, except for dead channels left
sometimes (to clear them reliably, we need to shut down * and restart it).

My 0.02PLN
 Grzegorz Nosek


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] 3x AVM Fritz!Card PCI for a EuroISDN PBX.

2003-11-29 Thread Philipp von Klitzing
Hi!

 - Will the 3 ISDN cards function correctly in one host?
 
 We have done this and it works, using a variant of the hack posted on the 
 website. Points to watch out for:
 
 - It's not reliable. We've had Asterisk spontaneously refuse to dial out 
 or accept connections on CAPI until the cards are reset. We don't 
 recommend doing this in production.

That's valuable information - can you also comment on the operation of 
just 2 cards? Would that be (more) stable or is that essential the same 
as running 3?

Cheers, Philipp


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[Asterisk-Users] 3x AVM Fritz!Card PCI for a EuroISDN PBX.

2003-11-28 Thread David M. Wilson
Hi there!

I'm currently considering various PBX solutions for our office telephone
network, and would very much like to use Asterisk. Currently, my
research is incomplete. I have been recommended to use the above cards,
but it is unclear from my Googling whether my configuration will work:

   - 3x Fritz!Card PCI's in one host.
   - 3x 6 b-channels.
   - ~20 Budgetone (and some others) handsets.


Can anyone answer these questions:

   - Will the 3 ISDN cards function correctly in one host?

   - Will running all 3 cards flat out require particularly beefy
 hardware?

   - Will the Grandstream phones provide a good equivilant to
 professional dedicated PBX phones? (assuming a good network)  I
 have read lots about echo problems and so on, is this an issue?


Any help in the matter would be very much appreciated. Thanks in
advance!


David.
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] 3x AVM Fritz!Card PCI for a EuroISDN PBX.

2003-11-28 Thread David M. Wilson
On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 05:02:57PM +, David M. Wilson wrote:

- 3x 6 b-channels.
 - 6 b-channels.


Sorry folks!


David.
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] 3x AVM Fritz!Card PCI for a EuroISDN PBX.

2003-11-28 Thread Peer Oliver schmidt
David M. Wilson wrote:

Hi there!

I'm currently considering various PBX solutions for our office telephone
network, and would very much like to use Asterisk. Currently, my
research is incomplete. I have been recommended to use the above cards,
but it is unclear from my Googling whether my configuration will work:
   - 3x Fritz!Card PCI's in one host.
As far as I know, AVM only allows a single Fritz!Card PCI in a PC. I 
/think/ there is a patch out there to allow more than one. Search the 
archives to find out more.

I am sure, you will get better results by putting in an active card. 
Either AVM or EICON. I have /heard/ the EICON cards are preferable 
because of the on board echo cancellation
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] 3x AVM Fritz!Card PCI for a EuroISDN PBX.

2003-11-28 Thread David M. Wilson
On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 06:15:38PM +0100, Peer Oliver schmidt wrote:

 As far as I know, AVM only allows a single Fritz!Card PCI in a PC. I 
 /think/ there is a patch out there to allow more than one. Search the 
 archives to find out more.

Thanks for the quick response. I'm afraid I was unclear in my original
statement - Google pointed me in the direction of this list w.r.t. 3x
Fritz cards, and a user who had a problem using that setup.

I can't find an answer to his help request.


 I am sure, you will get better results by putting in an active card. 
 Either AVM or EICON. I have /heard/ the EICON cards are preferable 
 because of the on board echo cancellation

I was hoping to reduce costs signifantly by using a fast CPU and cheap
passive cards, but if that will result in a noticable loss of quality,
then I guess active cards it is then. :)

Thanks,


David.
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] 3x AVM Fritz!Card PCI for a EuroISDN PBX.

2003-11-28 Thread WipeOut
David M. Wilson wrote:

Hi there!

I'm currently considering various PBX solutions for our office telephone
network, and would very much like to use Asterisk. Currently, my
research is incomplete. I have been recommended to use the above cards,
but it is unclear from my Googling whether my configuration will work:
  - 3x Fritz!Card PCI's in one host.
  - 3x 6 b-channels.
  - ~20 Budgetone (and some others) handsets.
Can anyone answer these questions:

  - Will the 3 ISDN cards function correctly in one host?

  - Will running all 3 cards flat out require particularly beefy
hardware?
  - Will the Grandstream phones provide a good equivilant to
professional dedicated PBX phones? (assuming a good network)  I
have read lots about echo problems and so on, is this an issue?
Any help in the matter would be very much appreciated. Thanks in
advance!
 

The driver from AVM only allows one Firtz card in a PC, there is a hack 
to run two but I don't know about 3.. Save yourself a lot of time and 
frustration and get a 4 BRI card from Eicon or AVM ( I believe the Eicon 
is better becasue it has echo cancellation but a little more expensive 
than the 4BRI AVM card) especially if its for an office install of that 
many users..

The GS phones are fine and work well, they have a few quirks but these 
should be fixed on the next firmware upgrade..

If you are running GS phones then the only codec availible to you is the 
G.711, using this codec you will not need all that powerful a server.. A 
1Ghz and above processor with 256+MB of RAM should be fine..

Later..



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Re: [Asterisk-Users] 3x AVM Fritz!Card PCI for a EuroISDN PBX.

2003-11-28 Thread Chris Wilson
Hi David,

 I'm currently considering various PBX solutions for our office telephone
 network, and would very much like to use Asterisk. Currently, my
 research is incomplete. I have been recommended to use the above cards,
 but it is unclear from my Googling whether my configuration will work:
 
- 3x Fritz!Card PCI's in one host.
- 3x 6 b-channels.
- ~20 Budgetone (and some others) handsets.
 
 Can anyone answer these questions:
 
- Will the 3 ISDN cards function correctly in one host?

We have done this and it works, using a variant of the hack posted on the 
website. Points to watch out for:

- It's not reliable. We've had Asterisk spontaneously refuse to dial out 
or accept connections on CAPI until the cards are reset. We don't 
recommend doing this in production.

- You need to be careful with the patch because there are two types of 
cards, and the patch isn't clever about how it detects them, so either 
make sure that all your cards are absolutely identical in /proc/pci, or 
fix the patch.

- Will running all 3 cards flat out require particularly beefy
  hardware?

Doesn't seem to.

- Will the Grandstream phones provide a good equivilant to
  professional dedicated PBX phones? (assuming a good network)  I
  have read lots about echo problems and so on, is this an issue?

They are cheap and nasty feeling, and not particularly reliable, so I 
would say no. Cisco 7960 is much better, although more of a pain to get 
working out of the box, since you need DHCP, TFTP and configuration tools.

Cheers, Chris.
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