Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
The fact is, there is not ONE sip or iax softphone that is as easy to use as skype for the average user. The sad thing is it doesn't have to be that way. Spend the $100 and get her a IAXy that's pre configured to your local Asterisk server. Then she can use an analog phone to call you for free. -lee ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 03:50:13AM -0500, Brian Capouch said: Asterisk could do the high-quality voice if it didn't care about interoperability. ... And things like echo supression. Skype doesn't do that *at all*. I fact, if you try to do a conference call with a remote user using skype to a group around a conference table (speaker phone mode), it's unusable. Lag can also be Really bad - several seconds - the worst of any VoIP system I've used. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
Speaking of audio quality, does anybody know why Skype's audio quality is better than that of Asterisk to most users? I have been trying to figure that out but dont seem to get what may be left out, even on GSM. Am I looking the wrong direction to begin with? On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 01:01:41 -0700, Paul Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use Asterisk because I want the flexibility. My mom uses Skype because it just works. Hey, my Mom can configure Skype. I'll give $100 to the first person that creates a SIP client that my Mom can configure. Forget the fact that Skye's audio quality easily surpases any SIP client I've ever used. You bet we have to work harder to outshine Skype. I'm all over that. But we've got bigger shoes to fill than some people realize regards, Paul - Original Message - From: Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype You don't get it We have to work harder to outshine Skype . : ) Its not like ford and GM. They do too very different things...we don't have to outshine them we already do. On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, Stephen wrote: Hi All, Thanks for all the comments and opinions. I think in terms of features and flexibility , Asterisk is better than Skype. But in terms simplicity, Skype is better. The problem I face is to switch Skype users to use Asterisk. Some of them use Skype for business use (on-net call) and they said Skype is enough for their business use already and find no need to use IP PBX. I think probably I need to educate them what Skype is and what Asterisk is. Maybe Asterisk community need to come up with a management system that can manage Asterisk in much simple way. We have to work harder to outshine Skype . : ) Cheers, Stephen ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
Caleb wrote: Speaking of audio quality, does anybody know why Skype's audio quality is better than that of Asterisk to most users? I have been trying to figure that out but dont seem to get what may be left out, even on GSM. Am I looking the wrong direction to begin with? Skype uses wideband voice. This means you can do things like tell an f from an s, which you cannot do on a normal telephone line. The whole voice sound is much more hi-fi. The codec they use is the wideband version of iLBC. Although narrowband iLBC is free to use, wideband iLBC is not. Regards, Steve ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
Steve Underwood wrote: Caleb wrote: Speaking of audio quality, does anybody know why Skype's audio quality is better than that of Asterisk to most users? I have been trying to figure that out but dont seem to get what may be left out, even on GSM. Am I looking the wrong direction to begin with? Skype uses wideband voice. This means you can do things like tell an f from an s, which you cannot do on a normal telephone line. The whole voice sound is much more hi-fi. The codec they use is the wideband version of iLBC. Although narrowband iLBC is free to use, wideband iLBC is not. Regards, Steve ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Heya, I don't really know a lot of this, but I tried encoding with speex a little bit. I saw that the speex-commandline-encoder has options for narrow/wide/ultrawide-band. It supports traffic from ~2.5 kB/s up to ~45 kB/s (I suppose it is kilobytes). I think it also has other nice properties which are mentionned on the speex.org-site. The gain-control is also helpfull maybe, ... I don't know if any hardware phones support speex although this would be interesting maybe. Maybe this wasn't considered because Asterisk can't use speex in conference-sessions? I hope it is helpfull. Does asterisk support conferencing using the speex-codec and if not, is this planned? thanks, Michel signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
I use Asterisk because I want the flexibility. My mom uses Skype because it just works. Hey, my Mom can configure Skype. I'll give $100 to the first person that creates a SIP client that my Mom can configure. Forget the fact that Skye's audio quality easily surpases any SIP client I've ever used. You bet we have to work harder to outshine Skype. I'm all over that. But we've got bigger shoes to fill than some people realize regards, Paul - Original Message - From: Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype You don't get it We have to work harder to outshine Skype . : ) Its not like ford and GM. They do too very different things...we don't have to outshine them we already do. On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, Stephen wrote: Hi All, Thanks for all the comments and opinions. I think in terms of features and flexibility , Asterisk is better than Skype. But in terms simplicity, Skype is better. The problem I face is to switch Skype users to use Asterisk. Some of them use Skype for business use (on-net call) and they said Skype is enough for their business use already and find no need to use IP PBX. I think probably I need to educate them what Skype is and what Asterisk is. Maybe Asterisk community need to come up with a management system that can manage Asterisk in much simple way. We have to work harder to outshine Skype . : ) Cheers, Stephen ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
Paul Fielding wrote: You bet we have to work harder to outshine Skype. I'm all over that. But we've got bigger shoes to fill than some people realize The reverse is true, as well, as was pointed out earlier on this thread. Asterisk could do the high-quality voice if it didn't care about interoperability. Skype lacks voicemail, CDRs, queues, IVRs, conferencing, music on hold; the list goes on and on. B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
Brian Capouch wrote: Paul Fielding wrote: You bet we have to work harder to outshine Skype. I'm all over that. But we've got bigger shoes to fill than some people realize The reverse is true, as well, as was pointed out earlier on this thread. Asterisk could do the high-quality voice if it didn't care about interoperability. Skype lacks voicemail, CDRs, queues, IVRs, conferencing, music on hold; the list goes on and on. and most of all it lakes of SERVICE! I tried it. After changing my computer to a Athlon, it simple does not work anymore, ... The bug page says: NO SUPPORT (or similar) Fortunately I have not used Skype-out. bye Ronald B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Ronald Wiplinger (CEO of ELMIT) http://www.elmit.com+886 (0) 939--77-55-16 or FWD 511208 - I'm a SpamCon Foundation Member, #694, Verify it at http://www.spamcon.org PS: Spam prevention! Our system is protected with a spam prevention program. If you send us an e-mail, our system will send you a confirmation message back. Just reply to this confirmation message please. After receiving this confirmation message, our system will send the hold message (one) and all future messages (after the received confirmation message) to me without asking you again. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
Said all that, I still would love to have a Skype channel for *. Hopefully they will release a Linux API so people can start to play (including me). S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Capouch Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:50 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype Paul Fielding wrote: You bet we have to work harder to outshine Skype. I'm all over that. But we've got bigger shoes to fill than some people realize The reverse is true, as well, as was pointed out earlier on this thread. Asterisk could do the high-quality voice if it didn't care about interoperability. Skype lacks voicemail, CDRs, queues, IVRs, conferencing, music on hold; the list goes on and on. B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
On Saturday 26 March 2005 05:38, Stephen wrote: Hi All, Thanks for all the comments and opinions. I think in terms of features and flexibility , Asterisk is better than Skype. But in terms simplicity, Skype is better. The problem I face is to switch Skype users to use Asterisk. Some of them use Skype for business use (on-net call) and they said Skype is enough for their business use already and find no need to use IP PBX. I think probably I need to educate them what Skype is and what Asterisk is. Maybe Asterisk community need to come up with a management system that can manage Asterisk in much simple way. We have to work harder to outshine Skype . : ) This link http://www.privaterra.org/blog-rg/two_good_analyses_of_skype_voice_over_ip__voip_.html has 2 very good papers on the internal workings of Skype. Bit of an overkill for a non-geek customer. PAulH -- Paul Hewlett (Linux #359543) Tel: +27 21 852 8812 Cel: +27 72 719 2725 Fax: +27 86 672 0563 -- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
Well not entirely skype has had conferencing for a long time and they also have run beta trials on skype voicemail but have chosen not to implement it commercially yet. I don't see the point of this discussion. Skype is the pstn service; Asterisk is a pabx; No one ran around telling ma bell she needed to give pabx like features to the pstn service. Let the thread die. Dean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Capouch Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 3:50 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype Paul Fielding wrote: You bet we have to work harder to outshine Skype. I'm all over that. But we've got bigger shoes to fill than some people realize The reverse is true, as well, as was pointed out earlier on this thread. Asterisk could do the high-quality voice if it didn't care about interoperability. Skype lacks voicemail, CDRs, queues, IVRs, conferencing, music on hold; the list goes on and on. B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
Hi All, I face some problems when I try to introduce Asterisk to my customers / friends. They are not convince as they are currently using Skype and asking me what is/are the different between this two. Does anyone in the community can provide such a comparison chart? What's your opinion ? Thanks and Regards, Stephen ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
First, search the archives for skype. This question has come up before. Second, learn what skype is and how it works. Ditto for asterisk. See the respective websites and read the faqs there... The two are COMPLETELY different. One is a software pbx. The other is not. It's like comparing a car to a banana. On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 02:38:30AM +0800, Stephen said: Hi All, I face some problems when I try to introduce Asterisk to my customers / friends. They are not convince as they are currently using Skype and asking me what is/are the different between this two. Does anyone in the community can provide such a comparison chart? What's your opinion ? Thanks and Regards, Stephen ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
They're two different animals. Skype is a protocol and a flashy UI, and PSTN calls are limited to their proprietary gateway (costing however much they want to charge). Asterisk is a full-featured PBX which can utilize many different protocols, different soft- or hardphones, and any PSTN gateway you like, so you can expect competitive pricing. Asking to compare * with Skype is akin to comparing The Internet with FTP. Skype's functionality is a subset of asterisk's functionality. -Original Message- From: Stephen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:39 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype Hi All, I face some problems when I try to introduce Asterisk to my customers / friends. They are not convince as they are currently using Skype and asking me what is/are the different between this two. Does anyone in the community can provide such a comparison chart? What's your opinion ? Thanks and Regards, Stephen ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
Stephen wrote: Hi All, I face some problems when I try to introduce Asterisk to my customers / friends. They are not convince as they are currently using Skype and asking me what is/are the different between this two. Does anyone in the community can provide such a comparison chart? What's your opinion ? It comes down to one thing in the final analysis: open versus closed (proprietary) models. It's no big secret that the Skype way is a lot like the Microsoft way in that they want everyone using their proprietary system, because to the degree they own the market they can totally dictate to their customers what is going to be done, how much it's going to cost, etc. Beyond that, what kind of records do they keep internally of their users' behavior? What kinds of other things on their users' machines do they track? Of course the answer is No one knows, because it's all closed and secret. They even keep secret the methods they use to allow peers to find one another. I'm sure you know that Kazaa users were recently surprised to learn, as it came out in court over in Europe, that centralized records have been kept of everyone's Kazaa usage from the get-go. Nice to know in case the RIAA ever comes looking for people. What kinds of similar things does Skype do? No one knows. Finally, when you go the open route you have choice. If I don't like my softphone for whatever reason, there are a dozen others to choose from. If my ITSP has service problems, or customer service problems, then it's a trivial task for me to sign up with another one. I can also shop rates. We learned in the legacy telephone world how bad monopolies are when it comes to price, features, innovation, etc. Why would consumers then move to a similar model when they migrate to VoIP? Answer: slick marketing on Skype's part, as well as herd mindset. There are many reasons to stay clear of Skype. B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
We learned in the legacy telephone world how bad monopolies are when it comes to price, features, innovation, etc. Why would consumers then move to a similar model when they migrate to VoIP? Answer: slick marketing on Skype's part, as well as herd mindset. There are many reasons to stay clear of Skype. Skype is brilliant in some areas. They have done in a matter of a few months what the whole voip industry couldn't do in several years. That is, to make a product that is easy to use, free, and works without problems most of the time. I completely understand your points, I agree in fact. But ignoring why millions of people use skype and brushing it aside as herd mentality is a mistake and missing the other side of the picture. You know to this day I have yet to find a sip or iax softphone that doesn't crash, lockup, or come with incorrect or no documentation? And I won't even get into how difficult it is for the average user to configure softphones. My wife uses skype a lot to call her family in Russia. She would love to be able to use a real phone via a sipura 2000 I have here, but the fact is, I can't find a softphone for her family to use that isn't so difficult to configure and error prone that I would recommend using it over skype. The fact is, there is not ONE sip or iax softphone that is as easy to use as skype for the average user. The sad thing is it doesn't have to be that way. Also, just say for a second that there was an easy to configure/use softphone. Now the average user has to find out way more than they ever wanted to about voip before they become aware of services like FWD. Then once they overcome that obstacle,. Guess what? The FWD documentation is so outdated for how to configure other softphones that it's virtualy worthless for the average user. I'll bet you anything what will happen is that skype will eventually interoperate with SIP. After they have a ton of market share and interoperation becomes more of an issue. In the meantime they are giving the average person what they really want, while everyone else is busy pointing fingers. I guess I'm a bit frustrated because it is very difficult to find reasons why people who use skype should switch to something else. For the average person, there really aren't any compelling reasons I can find when you take everything into account. Chris ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
snacktime wrote: I guess I'm a bit frustrated because it is very difficult to find reasons why people who use skype should switch to something else. For the average person, there really aren't any compelling reasons I can find when you take everything into account. Your points are very well taken. I never said the Skype folks weren't brilliant, or that they aren't efficiently fulfilling a market need. All of us dedicated Asterholics hope, I'm sure, that someday this imbalance will be rectified. B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:19:55 -0500, Brian Capouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snacktime wrote: I guess I'm a bit frustrated because it is very difficult to find reasons why people who use skype should switch to something else. For the average person, there really aren't any compelling reasons I can find when you take everything into account. Your points are very well taken. I never said the Skype folks weren't brilliant, or that they aren't efficiently fulfilling a market need. All of us dedicated Asterholics hope, I'm sure, that someday this imbalance will be rectified. I think it will be sooner than later actually, maybe I'm just impatient:) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
Why would this ever change or need to change? Many many people are quite happy with how Skype works and would never need anything else. Its like saying why would anyone use ICQ/AIM/Yahoo/MSN when you can run your own email server. The application is similar but still very very different. Kerry http://www.geekgazette.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of snacktime Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:43 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:19:55 -0500, Brian Capouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snacktime wrote: I guess I'm a bit frustrated because it is very difficult to find reasons why people who use skype should switch to something else. For the average person, there really aren't any compelling reasons I can find when you take everything into account. Your points are very well taken. I never said the Skype folks weren't brilliant, or that they aren't efficiently fulfilling a market need. All of us dedicated Asterholics hope, I'm sure, that someday this imbalance will be rectified. I think it will be sooner than later actually, maybe I'm just impatient:) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
Kerry Garrison wrote: Why would this ever change or need to change? Many many people are quite happy with how Skype works and would never need anything else. Its like saying why would anyone use ICQ/AIM/Yahoo/MSN when you can run your own email server. The application is similar but still very very different. Skype obviously intends to own their customers, so that they can dictate who can do what, when, how, and at what cost. That's where their brilliance comes in: because it's totally proprietary and totally locked down, once they've got someone hooked, they've got them. Just like our favorite existing OS monopoly. Single economic chokepoints ultimately do damage to the consumer, even if the consumers of the product are nominally happy with the product itself. Such is the case with the Microsoft tax of multiple billions of dollars that IT shops are forced to spend working around the many problems induced by their many design and operational flaws. Since it's infrastructure that has to be maintained, people conveniently ignore the fact that it acts like an implicit tax. Ask the poor guy who runs the IT shop where I work, who now has fulltime employees who do nothing but deal with the vast and never-ending portfolio of problems that come along with our use of the defacto standard. Few people saw the M$ mess coming back in the early adoption days. Once a certain market dominance has been reached, as Microsoft knows all too well, any number of flaws have to be tolerated by the user base, because the perceived cost of switching to something else is too high. That's exactly how Microsoft gets away with its shoddy software engineering: once you are the only game in town, you get to dictate to your customers and not the other way around. As an e.g., is there anyone who really believes it's accidental that their EU-mandated Media Player Free version of Windows, to be sold in Europe, breaks when people try to use RealPlayer? Once you have taken away people's choice, whether by chance or design, you can do nasty things like this and get away with it. At least in my case, the anti-Skype propaganda is designed to insure that I have the foundation to go back to everyone in (?) five years and say, See? I told you so. We knew that closed proprietary solutions were bad, but the market went galloping off in that direction again anways. Better would be the scenario of Skype having to open themselves up, which is only going to happen if they encounter competition. Well I may be a tiny voice in the wilderness in the face of the Skype stampede. That doesn't make this stance wrong per se. B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
if some one was to create a open source IAX client as good/better then skype, even then a asterisk IAX based network will not be able to compete with skype. Since asterix is a centralized server regitration network it can not grow as big as a skype P2P network can grow, t On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:49:24 -0800, Kerry Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would this ever change or need to change? Many many people are quite happy with how Skype works and would never need anything else. Its like saying why would anyone use ICQ/AIM/Yahoo/MSN when you can run your own email server. The application is similar but still very very different. Kerry http://www.geekgazette.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of snacktime Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:43 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:19:55 -0500, Brian Capouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snacktime wrote: I guess I'm a bit frustrated because it is very difficult to find reasons why people who use skype should switch to something else. For the average person, there really aren't any compelling reasons I can find when you take everything into account. Your points are very well taken. I never said the Skype folks weren't brilliant, or that they aren't efficiently fulfilling a market need. All of us dedicated Asterholics hope, I'm sure, that someday this imbalance will be rectified. I think it will be sooner than later actually, maybe I'm just impatient:) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
p2p is a pro of skype, however it can be soild as a con, since ur pc is now helping in the processing of calls for others. Also there security for the encrypted call I dont believe has really undergone serious scrutiny. Iqbal On 3/25/2005, Sys Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if some one was to create a open source IAX client as good/better then skype, even then a asterisk IAX based network will not be able to compete with skype. Since asterix is a centralized server regitration network it can not grow as big as a skype P2P network can grow, t On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:49:24 -0800, Kerry Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would this ever change or need to change? Many many people are quite happy with how Skype works and would never need anything else. Its like saying why would anyone use ICQ/AIM/Yahoo/MSN when you can run your own email server. The application is similar but still very very different. Kerry http://www.geekgazette.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of snacktime Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:43 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:19:55 -0500, Brian Capouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snacktime wrote: I guess I'm a bit frustrated because it is very difficult to find reasons why people who use skype should switch to something else. For the average person, there really aren't any compelling reasons I can find when you take everything into account. Your points are very well taken. I never said the Skype folks weren't brilliant, or that they aren't efficiently fulfilling a market need. All of us dedicated Asterholics hope, I'm sure, that someday this imbalance will be rectified. I think it will be sooner than later actually, maybe I'm just impatient:) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
Iqbal wrote: p2p is a pro of skype, however it can be soild as a con, since ur pc is now helping in the processing of calls for others. Also there security for the encrypted call I dont believe has really undergone serious scrutiny. Asterisk is the most p2p-ish of all the various ways of doing VoIP. DUNDi, for instance, is totally P2P, and thus helps Asterisk with its inclinations in that direction. B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 13:18 -0800, Sys Admin wrote: if some one was to create a open source IAX client as good/better then skype, even then a asterisk IAX based network will not be able to compete with skype. Since asterix is a centralized server regitration network it can not grow as big as a skype P2P network can grow, You think way to small. You don't have to be centralized with asterisk. Administration of a secure network is easier being centralized, but you could easily run several asterisk machines in a network much like IRC is. A few or even several asterisk boxes peered to each other to know who is where and the users spread over the many asterisk machines. With IAX attempting to handoff calls if possible, it is possible to create true P2P calls as well as routed calls to handle NAT or anything else. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 01:18:21PM -0800, Sys Admin wrote: if some one was to create a open source IAX client as good/better then skype, even then a asterisk IAX based network will not be able to compete with skype. Since asterix is a centralized server regitration network it can not grow as big as a skype P2P network can grow, One thing Skype has going for them, they have clients for Linux and Windows. I like Firefly, but no Linux interface. Until I found x-lite for linux I couldn't find a single Linux client that came remotly to Just Working. I downloaded Skype for Linux and it worked out of the box, first time, no hassles. How can you compete with that. Asterisk is a PBX, Skype is not, but Skype solves a problem simply and straight forwardly that Asterisk doesn't. -- Martijn van Oosterhout Ecomtel Pty Ltd ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
You think way to small. :( On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:55:54 -0600, Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 13:18 -0800, Sys Admin wrote: if some one was to create a open source IAX client as good/better then skype, even then a asterisk IAX based network will not be able to compete with skype. Since asterix is a centralized server regitration network it can not grow as big as a skype P2P network can grow, You think way to small. You don't have to be centralized with asterisk. Administration of a secure network is easier being centralized, but you could easily run several asterisk machines in a network much like IRC is. A few or even several asterisk boxes peered to each other to know who is where and the users spread over the many asterisk machines. With IAX attempting to handoff calls if possible, it is possible to create true P2P calls as well as routed calls to handle NAT or anything else. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
I don't get this thread.. Skype is much closer to gaim than it is to asterisk (voice-gaim or whatever... gaim/w sip). I hope I'm not talking out of turn because admittedly I have little exerience with skype. In fact, my only experience has been calling other skype users. How does skype do with inbound calls? Where does it put my voicemails? How hard is it to create a sophisticated dialplan?? Or even a simple dial plan? Like, if I just want two mailboxes, is that possible with skype? If not, then I don't get what is being compared. Sys Admin wrote: You think way to small. :( On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:55:54 -0600, Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 13:18 -0800, Sys Admin wrote: if some one was to create a open source IAX client as good/better then skype, even then a asterisk IAX based network will not be able to compete with skype. Since asterix is a centralized server regitration network it can not grow as big as a skype P2P network can grow, You think way to small. You don't have to be centralized with asterisk. Administration of a secure network is easier being centralized, but you could easily run several asterisk machines in a network much like IRC is. A few or even several asterisk boxes peered to each other to know who is where and the users spread over the many asterisk machines. With IAX attempting to handoff calls if possible, it is possible to create true P2P calls as well as routed calls to handle NAT or anything else. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
Hi All, Thanks for all the comments and opinions. I think in terms of features and flexibility , Asterisk is better than Skype. But in terms simplicity, Skype is better. The problem I face is to switch Skype users to use Asterisk. Some of them use Skype for business use (on-net call) and they said Skype is enough for their business use already and find no need to use IP PBX. I think probably I need to educate them what Skype is and what Asterisk is. Maybe Asterisk community need to come up with a management system that can manage Asterisk in much simple way. We have to work harder to outshine Skype . : ) Cheers, Stephen ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
You don't get it We have to work harder to outshine Skype . : ) Its not like ford and GM. They do too very different things...we don't have to outshine them we already do. On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, Stephen wrote: Hi All, Thanks for all the comments and opinions. I think in terms of features and flexibility , Asterisk is better than Skype. But in terms simplicity, Skype is better. The problem I face is to switch Skype users to use Asterisk. Some of them use Skype for business use (on-net call) and they said Skype is enough for their business use already and find no need to use IP PBX. I think probably I need to educate them what Skype is and what Asterisk is. Maybe Asterisk community need to come up with a management system that can manage Asterisk in much simple way. We have to work harder to outshine Skype . : ) Cheers, Stephen ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype
I don't see why people keep comparing the two. Skype is to Asterisk like Instant Messaging is to Email, vaugely similair but entirely different. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 4:37 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk compare with Skype You don't get it We have to work harder to outshine Skype . : ) Its not like ford and GM. They do too very different things...we don't have to outshine them we already do. On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, Stephen wrote: Hi All, Thanks for all the comments and opinions. I think in terms of features and flexibility , Asterisk is better than Skype. But in terms simplicity, Skype is better. The problem I face is to switch Skype users to use Asterisk. Some of them use Skype for business use (on-net call) and they said Skype is enough for their business use already and find no need to use IP PBX. I think probably I need to educate them what Skype is and what Asterisk is. Maybe Asterisk community need to come up with a management system that can manage Asterisk in much simple way. We have to work harder to outshine Skype . : ) Cheers, Stephen ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
