[Asterisk-Users] Digium cards just for timing

2003-10-14 Thread Michael Ulitskiy
Hi,

I've found that neither Michael Manousos patch nor ztdummy driver
do not fix musiconhold sound interruption problem up to acceptable quality
level. Sound is choppy here anyway.
It is my understanding (please correct me if I'm wrong) that if I have 
a Digium card in my asterisk machine, these problems should be gone
'cause those cards provide some reliable timing. So I have no choice
and wish to buy a cheapest Digium card just for timing. I have no PSTN
ports, it's pure voip environment here.
So my question is whether any Digium card would be ok or I have to buy
some specific card? I'm looking at X100P card as it is the cheapest one.
Would it be enough?
Thank you.

Michael
 

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Digium cards just for timing

2003-10-14 Thread Martin Pycko
With the musiconhold and SIP-SIP call it turnes out that you need to
disable silence supporesion on your phones/gateways since the timing is
taken from the coming stream (but only for musiconhold AFAIK)

regards
Martin

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Michael Ulitskiy wrote:

 Hi,

 I've found that neither Michael Manousos patch nor ztdummy driver
 do not fix musiconhold sound interruption problem up to acceptable quality
 level. Sound is choppy here anyway.
 It is my understanding (please correct me if I'm wrong) that if I have
 a Digium card in my asterisk machine, these problems should be gone
 'cause those cards provide some reliable timing. So I have no choice
 and wish to buy a cheapest Digium card just for timing. I have no PSTN
 ports, it's pure voip environment here.
 So my question is whether any Digium card would be ok or I have to buy
 some specific card? I'm looking at X100P card as it is the cheapest one.
 Would it be enough?
 Thank you.

 Michael


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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Digium cards just for timing

2003-10-14 Thread Andrew Joakimsen
No. I also run machines with pure VoIP and there is not a single problem
with music on hold.

I don't think an X100P card will help. Anything you gain from the
ztdummy driver will be the same as what you can gain from an X100P, FWIW
the card is just a $10 winmodem.

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 Hi,
 
 I've found that neither Michael Manousos patch nor ztdummy driver
 do not fix musiconhold sound interruption problem up to acceptable
quality
 level. Sound is choppy here anyway.
 It is my understanding (please correct me if I'm wrong) that if I have
 a Digium card in my asterisk machine, these problems should be gone
 'cause those cards provide some reliable timing. So I have no choice
 and wish to buy a cheapest Digium card just for timing. I have no PSTN
 ports, it's pure voip environment here.
 So my question is whether any Digium card would be ok or I have to buy
 some specific card? I'm looking at X100P card as it is the cheapest
one.
 Would it be enough?
 Thank you.
 
 Michael
 
 
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Digium cards just for timing

2003-10-14 Thread nathan
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Hi,

I've found that neither Michael Manousos patch nor ztdummy driver do not
fix musiconhold sound interruption problem up to acceptable quality
level. Sound is choppy here anyway. It is my understanding (please
correct me if I'm wrong) that if I have 
a Digium card in my asterisk machine, these problems should be gone
'cause those cards provide some reliable timing. So I have no choice and
wish to buy a cheapest Digium card just for timing. I have no PSTN
ports, it's pure voip environment here. So my question is whether any
Digium card would be ok or I have to buy some specific card? I'm looking
at X100P card as it is the cheapest one. Would it be enough? Thank you.
 
Michael
-

Michael,

Have you tried zaprtc from http://www.junghanns.net/asterisk ? It seems
to be working here on a 'SIP only' configuration without any problems.
Music on hold sounds perfect.

-Nathan

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Digium cards just for timing

2003-10-14 Thread Michael Ulitskiy
Martin,

Thanks a lot.
The problem was a turned on silence suppression on cisco ata 186.
Now it seems to work perfectly.
Thanks to everybody else too.

Michael

On Tuesday 14 October 2003 05:04 pm, Martin Pycko wrote:
 With the musiconhold and SIP-SIP call it turnes out that you need to
 disable silence supporesion on your phones/gateways since the timing is
 taken from the coming stream (but only for musiconhold AFAIK)
 
 regards
 Martin
 
 On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Michael Ulitskiy wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  I've found that neither Michael Manousos patch nor ztdummy driver
  do not fix musiconhold sound interruption problem up to acceptable quality
  level. Sound is choppy here anyway.
  It is my understanding (please correct me if I'm wrong) that if I have
  a Digium card in my asterisk machine, these problems should be gone
  'cause those cards provide some reliable timing. So I have no choice
  and wish to buy a cheapest Digium card just for timing. I have no PSTN
  ports, it's pure voip environment here.
  So my question is whether any Digium card would be ok or I have to buy
  some specific card? I'm looking at X100P card as it is the cheapest one.
  Would it be enough?
  Thank you.
 
  Michael
 
 
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Digium cards just for timing - moden cards?

2003-10-14 Thread Chris Albertson

Two comments:

1) just a $10 winmodem?  is this literally true?  then what
   $10 card is known to work?  Have you tried one?  Yes it is pretty
   clear that a Winmodem card could work for this application

2) I've always though a real DSP based modem card could be 
   re-programmed to a much more interesting use.  Those on-board
   TI DSP chips are quite powerfull computers.  Easly enough to
   compute any audio codec or even the front end for speech
   understanding.  they are flash reprogramable too.   


 I don't think an X100P card will help. Anything you gain from the
 ztdummy driver will be the same as what you can gain from an X100P,
 FWIW
 the card is just a $10 winmodem.


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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Digium cards just for timing - moden cards?

2003-10-14 Thread Jon Pounder
At 06:56 PM 10/14/2003, you wrote:

Two comments:

1) just a $10 winmodem?  is this literally true?  then what
   $10 card is known to work?  Have you tried one?  Yes it is pretty
   clear that a Winmodem card could work for this application
yes its literally true. The cards are out of production now afaik, but were 
based on a motorola dsp. (And yes they were available for under $10USD, and 
tested and worked fine)


2) I've always though a real DSP based modem card could be
   re-programmed to a much more interesting use.  Those on-board
   TI DSP chips are quite powerfull computers.  Easly enough to
   compute any audio codec or even the front end for speech
   understanding.  they are flash reprogramable too.
The lindsl opensource project is attempting to do this, and reprogram a 
winmodem to do much higher DSL like speeds in a point to point twisted 
pair network than a conventional modem would do.

Last I knew interest by the author had fell off though.




 I don't think an X100P card will help. Anything you gain from the
 ztdummy driver will be the same as what you can gain from an X100P,
 FWIW
 the card is just a $10 winmodem.
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Digium cards just for timing - moden cards?

2003-10-14 Thread Andrew Joakimsen
Is that why there is an X100P and an X101P? What design is the X101P
based on?

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cards?
 
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 At 06:56 PM 10/14/2003, you wrote:
 
 Two comments:
 
 1) just a $10 winmodem?  is this literally true?  then what
 $10 card is known to work?  Have you tried one?  Yes it is pretty
 clear that a Winmodem card could work for this application
 
 yes its literally true. The cards are out of production now afaik, but
 were
 based on a motorola dsp. (And yes they were available for under
$10USD,
 and
 tested and worked fine)
 
 
 2) I've always though a real DSP based modem card could be
 re-programmed to a much more interesting use.  Those on-board
 TI DSP chips are quite powerfull computers.  Easly enough to
 compute any audio codec or even the front end for speech
 understanding.  they are flash reprogramable too.
 
 The lindsl opensource project is attempting to do this, and reprogram
a
 winmodem to do much higher DSL like speeds in a point to point
twisted
 pair network than a conventional modem would do.
 
 Last I knew interest by the author had fell off though.
 
 
 
 
   I don't think an X100P card will help. Anything you gain from the
   ztdummy driver will be the same as what you can gain from an
X100P,
   FWIW
   the card is just a $10 winmodem.
 
 
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Digium cards just for timing - moden cards?

2003-10-14 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
 Is that why there is an X100P and an X101P? What design is the X101P
 based on?

AFAIK the current design uses a Tiger 320 chip which is essentially a PCI 
gateway -- it provides a serial port and an 8-bit parallel interface to 
anything.  The single FXO card uses the serial interface, and the single T1 
card uses the 8-bit parallel interface to a standard Dallas Semiconductor 
T1/E1/J1 framer IC.

Regards,
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Digium cards just for timing - moden cards?

2003-10-14 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
 2) I've always though a real DSP based modem card could be
re-programmed to a much more interesting use.  Those on-board
TI DSP chips are quite powerfull computers.  Easly enough to
compute any audio codec or even the front end for speech
understanding.  they are flash reprogramable too.

That and without blasting the PC with interrupts...  I wonder if the codec 
conversion costs would be better (not sure how well SSE fares against a 
good DSP)

Regards,
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Digium cards just for timing - moden cards?

2003-10-14 Thread Doug Heckaman III
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:06:42 -0400, Jon Pounder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At 06:56 PM 10/14/2003, you wrote:

Two comments:

1) just a $10 winmodem?  is this literally true?  then what
$10 card is known to work?  Have you tried one?  Yes it is pretty
clear that a Winmodem card could work for this application
yes its literally true. The cards are out of production now afaik, but 
were based on a motorola dsp. (And yes they were available for under 
$10USD, and tested and worked fine)

Does a list exist that has all the winmodems that can supply timing? All I 
would like to do is get rid of the echo in meetme.




2) I've always though a real DSP based modem card could be
re-programmed to a much more interesting use.  Those on-board
TI DSP chips are quite powerfull computers.  Easly enough to
compute any audio codec or even the front end for speech
understanding.  they are flash reprogramable too.
The lindsl opensource project is attempting to do this, and reprogram a 
winmodem to do much higher DSL like speeds in a point to point twisted 
pair network than a conventional modem would do.

Last I knew interest by the author had fell off though.




 I don't think an X100P card will help. Anything you gain from the
 ztdummy driver will be the same as what you can gain from an X100P,
 FWIW
 the card is just a $10 winmodem.
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Digium cards just for timing - moden cards?

2003-10-14 Thread Leo Ann Boon
I think the X101P uses an Ambient/Intel HAM 56K modem chip. The older 
X100 is based on Motorola. Any authoritative answers?

Andrew Kohlsmith wrote:

Is that why there is an X100P and an X101P? What design is the X101P
based on?
   

AFAIK the current design uses a Tiger 320 chip which is essentially a PCI 
gateway -- it provides a serial port and an 8-bit parallel interface to 
anything.  The single FXO card uses the serial interface, and the single T1 
card uses the 8-bit parallel interface to a standard Dallas Semiconductor 
T1/E1/J1 framer IC.

Regards,
Andrew
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Digium cards just for timing - moden cards?

2003-10-14 Thread Manoj K Gupta
most probably use tjnetworks chips, www.tjnet.com

to be specific:
http://www.tjnet.com/chips/tiger320.htm

I am not sure though:)

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 I think the X101P uses an Ambient/Intel HAM 56K modem chip. The older
 X100 is based on Motorola. Any authoritative answers?


 Andrew Kohlsmith wrote:

 Is that why there is an X100P and an X101P? What design is the X101P
 based on?
 
 
 
 AFAIK the current design uses a Tiger 320 chip which is essentially a PCI
 gateway -- it provides a serial port and an 8-bit parallel interface to
 anything.  The single FXO card uses the serial interface, and the single
T1
 card uses the 8-bit parallel interface to a standard Dallas Semiconductor
 T1/E1/J1 framer IC.
 
 Regards,
 Andrew
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