Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
Look at all the time you are wasting flaming people. just ignore these questions and get off the high horse. Do you maintain this list? If not then you have no say whatsoever. - Original Message - From: "Steve Creel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source? > I am NOT a VoIP guru. I am NOT an Asterisk guru. I am NOT a telephony > guru. Take that as a disclaimer for the information below, as well as to > say that the best learning comes from reading anything you can get your > hands on. The idea of "post any question to the mailing list" works well > with 10 people. It scales horribly. Reading through the archives, you > will see the same questions asked (and answered) over and over. At _some_ > point, it's okay to say "I've answered it 15 times, YOU can go look it > up on YOUR time". Besides, I'd rather spend 3 hours looking for the > answer than just ask my question, because I hate looking like an idiot. > > This isn't a flame, nor a sarcastic, snide response. I don't want to > complain about people asking "what is a " if I've never made an > attempt to answer that question for someone. > > On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, PJ Welsh wrote: > > >I have to defend us newbies on this. > > > >This environment does not facilitate sequential knowledge building! Based > >on my entry to Asterisk, I should have already known > >T1/E1/VOIP/SIP/FreeWorld/H.232/X100P/PBX/FXO/FXS/channel bank etc you get > >the idea (still trying to figure out "skinny"...cisco something, I know). > >Heck, I'm struggling to get a grip on what and how to use/confiure SIP > >for linux and keep my hair. > > A T1 is technology used to deliver digital data from one device to > another. Most of us are familiar with data T1s - 1.544mbps. When used > for voice, they can be PRI (primary rate interface) or Channelized T1. A > PRI has 23 voice channels and a bearer channel. The Channelized T1 has 24 > voice channels. Depending on the specific application, one may be better > suited than another (or depending on the price). There are many other > technical characteristics about a T1, but know we've established what it > is. > > An E1 is used for the same purposes as a T1. "Which one is it" depends on > your geographic location - T1 in US, Canada, and Japan (according to a > telecom dictionary on the shelf here, sorry if misinformed). Other parts > of the world use E1. > > VoIP refers to the high-level use of an IP network (or IP equipment) to > deliver telephone service. Sometimes this means telephone calls from a > software app on one machine to another software app. It could mean a call > from one physical analog phone to another that was connected by way of an > IP network. It could refer to an off-premise extension of your desk phone > to home. > > SIP is "session initiated protocol". There are two parts to VoIP > protocols - the call setup and the audio stream. All of the audio is > handled similarly with most protocols. The difference is usually in call > setup. You can use SIP to call from one phone to another directly, > without a callmanager, gatekeeper, or any other VoIP equipment. SIP > allows IP addresses to be entered and called directly. SIP seems to be > best for single-line extensions, "I want to call my brother in _ ", > and for most consumer-grade VoIP for home use. The biggest "user > experience" thing I can think to mention about SIP is that dialing > _usually_ (excluding "early dial") works like a cellphone - dial number & > press "send". > > Skinny (or SCCP used interchangably) is Cisco's "Skinny Client Control > Protocol". It is a proprietary protocol that Cisco uses in their Call > Manager system. The Cisco phones use SCCP to talk to the server (yes, > like how a SIP phone would use SIP to talk to another phone, or to a SIP > server). Because Cisco is Cisco, there is a certain demand to use their > devices. To accomodate this, they have offered SIP firmware to load on > some of their phones. However, the SIP firmware does not offer all of the > features of the firmware for SCCP. Some of this is protocol limitations, > some is because they didn't include it. Asterisk's support for SCCP is > beginning to be functional (no disrespect to those who have put tons of > time in on it already - "beginning" in that it's beginning to be offered, > not beginning to be worked on). > > FreeWorld is Free World Dialup, or FWD. Their website, > www.free
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"Olle E. Johansson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>>don't now and simply add "What's a pyroflax?" on it. Someone will >>>notice and explain what a pyroflax is... >> A what ? :-) > Google ;-) No way, even google is moot on that word. I guess you'll have to explain :-) -- Rémi ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Rémi Letot wrote: "Olle E. Johansson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I realized the same and started a process to collect a lot of that information and build a knowledge base on http://www.voip-forum.org/ Everyone is right, it should be http://www.voip-info.org I confused with my attempt at blogging at http://www.voip-forum.com , being a late night and a tired mind in Sweden. don't now and simply add "What's a pyroflax?" on it. Someone will notice and explain what a pyroflax is... A what ? :-) Google ;-) /O ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 10:38:26PM -0500, PJ Welsh wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 09:22:55PM -0600, John Brown wrote: > > HI folks, nice conversation, but it has *nothing* to do with > > the subject line. > > Sorry, I tried twice (forgot once and did a second time). Someone else also tried > and now you. End result... I think this may be beaten to death... for now... only > for now... it will return... > > > More good links to share for the newbies: > > #Getting Started With Asterisk > http://www.automated.it/guidetoasterisk.htm > #gota love the name. usefull conf > http://www.asstricks.org/ > #more example confs and sounds > http://www.loligo.com/asterisk/ > #dudes bookmarks on VoIP, SIP, H.323, RTP > http://www.ict.tuwien.ac.at/darilion/bookmarks.html > #Asterisk Guide for INOC-DBA from archives > http://www.pch.net/resources/discussion/inoc-dba/archive/2003-July/000719.html > ___ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 09:22:55PM -0600, John Brown wrote: > HI folks, nice conversation, but it has *nothing* to do with > the subject line. Sorry, I tried twice (forgot once and did a second time). Someone else also tried and now you. End result... I think this may be beaten to death... for now... only for now... it will return... More good links to share for the newbies: #Getting Started With Asterisk http://www.automated.it/guidetoasterisk.htm #gota love the name. usefull conf http://www.asstricks.org/ #more example confs and sounds http://www.loligo.com/asterisk/ #dudes bookmarks on VoIP, SIP, H.323, RTP http://www.ict.tuwien.ac.at/darilion/bookmarks.html #Asterisk Guide for INOC-DBA from archives http://www.pch.net/resources/discussion/inoc-dba/archive/2003-July/000719.html ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
HI folks, nice conversation, but it has *nothing* to do with the subject line. On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 09:53:44PM +0200, Olle E. Johansson wrote: > PJ Welsh wrote: > > > I have to defend us newbies on this. > > > > This environment does not facilitate sequential knowledge building! > > You do realize that the http://www.asterisk.org/index.php?menu=support lists the > > mailing list first for support, don't you. In fact, you have to go to the second > > page before you even see the google reference. More a few people tend to look for > > the FIRST way to get help not ALL ways to get help... > > PJ, > I realized the same and started a process to collect a lot of that information and > build a > knowledge base on http://www.voip-forum.org/ > > Click on "Asterisk" on the home page and you'll find a lot of information. On that > web, you'll also > find information I gathered about the rest of the telecom stuff I didn't know > anything about. > So have others. There's plenty of pages with facts, explanations and pointers to > find there. > > It's a start, please help us helping other newcomers by adding stuff, questions and > keywords > you don't know. If you haven't got an explanation, create a page named by the term > you > don't now and simply add "What's a pyroflax?" on it. Someone will notice and explain > what a pyroflax is... > > The environment surrounding the Asterisk Open Source project is built by all of us. > Now, you're part of this environment. Welcome! > > /Olle > ...still learning and trying to understand FXO, ISUPs, RDNIS and other terms... > > ___ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 06:09:27PM -0400, Steve Creel wrote: > I am NOT a VoIP guru. I am NOT an Asterisk guru. I am NOT a telephony > guru. Take that as a disclaimer for the information below, as well as to > say that the best learning comes from reading anything you can get your > hands on. The idea of "post any question to the mailing list" works well > with 10 people. It scales horribly. Reading through the archives, you > will see the same questions asked (and answered) over and over. At _some_ > point, it's okay to say "I've answered it 15 times, YOU can go look it > up on YOUR time". Besides, I'd rather spend 3 hours looking for the > answer than just ask my question, because I hate looking like an idiot. > > This isn't a flame, nor a sarcastic, snide response. I don't want to > complain about people asking "what is a " if I've never made an > attempt to answer that question for someone. > GREAT stuff! Thank you very much. I was very pleased to see that you took time to describe all of the "T1/E1/VOIP/SIP/FreeWorld/H.232/X100P/PBX/FXO/FXS/channel bank" stuff I put down. I hope this thread will end up in the hands of a new newbie and can help... Thank you all for helping. I had to say something and I felt this list (the people) could handle my comments. I'm glad to see that I was correct. For my part, I will try to stop top posting and dig alot deaper into the archives. I realy do want to learn this. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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I am NOT a VoIP guru. I am NOT an Asterisk guru. I am NOT a telephony guru. Take that as a disclaimer for the information below, as well as to say that the best learning comes from reading anything you can get your hands on. The idea of "post any question to the mailing list" works well with 10 people. It scales horribly. Reading through the archives, you will see the same questions asked (and answered) over and over. At _some_ point, it's okay to say "I've answered it 15 times, YOU can go look it up on YOUR time". Besides, I'd rather spend 3 hours looking for the answer than just ask my question, because I hate looking like an idiot. This isn't a flame, nor a sarcastic, snide response. I don't want to complain about people asking "what is a " if I've never made an attempt to answer that question for someone. On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, PJ Welsh wrote: >I have to defend us newbies on this. > >This environment does not facilitate sequential knowledge building! Based >on my entry to Asterisk, I should have already known >T1/E1/VOIP/SIP/FreeWorld/H.232/X100P/PBX/FXO/FXS/channel bank etc you get >the idea (still trying to figure out "skinny"...cisco something, I know). >Heck, I'm struggling to get a grip on what and how to use/confiure SIP >for linux and keep my hair. A T1 is technology used to deliver digital data from one device to another. Most of us are familiar with data T1s - 1.544mbps. When used for voice, they can be PRI (primary rate interface) or Channelized T1. A PRI has 23 voice channels and a bearer channel. The Channelized T1 has 24 voice channels. Depending on the specific application, one may be better suited than another (or depending on the price). There are many other technical characteristics about a T1, but know we've established what it is. An E1 is used for the same purposes as a T1. "Which one is it" depends on your geographic location - T1 in US, Canada, and Japan (according to a telecom dictionary on the shelf here, sorry if misinformed). Other parts of the world use E1. VoIP refers to the high-level use of an IP network (or IP equipment) to deliver telephone service. Sometimes this means telephone calls from a software app on one machine to another software app. It could mean a call from one physical analog phone to another that was connected by way of an IP network. It could refer to an off-premise extension of your desk phone to home. SIP is "session initiated protocol". There are two parts to VoIP protocols - the call setup and the audio stream. All of the audio is handled similarly with most protocols. The difference is usually in call setup. You can use SIP to call from one phone to another directly, without a callmanager, gatekeeper, or any other VoIP equipment. SIP allows IP addresses to be entered and called directly. SIP seems to be best for single-line extensions, "I want to call my brother in _ ", and for most consumer-grade VoIP for home use. The biggest "user experience" thing I can think to mention about SIP is that dialing _usually_ (excluding "early dial") works like a cellphone - dial number & press "send". Skinny (or SCCP used interchangably) is Cisco's "Skinny Client Control Protocol". It is a proprietary protocol that Cisco uses in their Call Manager system. The Cisco phones use SCCP to talk to the server (yes, like how a SIP phone would use SIP to talk to another phone, or to a SIP server). Because Cisco is Cisco, there is a certain demand to use their devices. To accomodate this, they have offered SIP firmware to load on some of their phones. However, the SIP firmware does not offer all of the features of the firmware for SCCP. Some of this is protocol limitations, some is because they didn't include it. Asterisk's support for SCCP is beginning to be functional (no disrespect to those who have put tons of time in on it already - "beginning" in that it's beginning to be offered, not beginning to be worked on). FreeWorld is Free World Dialup, or FWD. Their website, www.freeworlddialup.com, says the following: Free World Dialup (FWD) allows you to make free phone calls over the Internet using a 'regular' telephone or a computer program. Free World Dialup does not directly provide access to the traditional telephone networks or cellular networks. FWD members can only call other FWD members and customers of IP-based service providers who have a business relationship with FWD. If you are interested in learning about VoIP and would like to setup your own personal PBX, give Asterisk a try. H.232 is a typo, the protocol is H.323. My understanding is that it is essentially the "first-generation" VoIP protocol. Generally this is associated with "older" equipment, or a last-resort for interfacing otherwise incompatible equipment. Netmeeting used to use it, and still may. That's all I know about H.323, and I may be wrong about all of it. An X100P is a Digium
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I expect a user list to be for users' questions. I expect a user list to support that what it's a list for. In return *I* should help someone when/if I can! There is no "for Nothing". You help me, then I help some newbie 10 years from now when I understand this stuff. So, in the meantime, my only contribution is the list of sites I have found to be usefull. I forgot to change the subject line, however. I am finding that it's hard to find out what's available when I don't know what's available... Don't get me wrong, I would like for this to be a *constructive* thread! I don't not want anyone to get offendend. I would just like a general realization of the newbie situation. I still think this list is good! I still think * is great. I still have faith that I can figure "all of this" out. I know it will take the help of many good people with ALOT of patience and understanding and experience to help me. I am very greatful for all of the information that you list goers have provided! So many of would do anything to help and do. The more I search through the archives, the more I know that I'm still in the "right place" to help me. Again Thank you for your understanding, help, time and effort! On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 04:19:04PM -0400, John Vozza wrote: > BS! :) > > Take the time to read and learn as much as you can from what's available > and believe it or not you may just learn something. Even if that something > is what to ask/search for. > > All those that get paid to answer questions on this list please raise your > hand. I know my hand is still on the keyboard. > > I always amazes me how so many EXPECT so much for nothing... ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 15:19, John Vozza wrote: > BS! :) > > Take the time to read and learn as much as you can from what's available > and believe it or not you may just learn something. Even if that something > is what to ask/search for. > > All those that get paid to answer questions on this list please raise your > hand. I know my hand is still on the keyboard. > > I always amazes me how so many EXPECT so much for nothing... We all expect something. The difference is whether we express that expectation in our questions. Most people here do not express the expectation and gladly accept the help they get. I'm including the people who have been at the receiving end of flames sent by myself there too. Only a few times have we had to deal with people coming in demanding support. We have dealt with it when it comes up. Maybe I was a bit lucky when I came into the asterisk fold that I was not under any time constraints to get a system up and working. This gave me the luxury of lurking a bit more to understand the terms before jumping too deep into it. Learning is a long term project. Learning telephony is a really long term project. If you don't have time to learn it yourself, you should seek a consultant or a commercial product. Remember time is money, and you will either spend time or money on a project. This is true no matter what the project is. -- Steven Critchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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"Olle E. Johansson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I realized the same and started a process to collect a lot of that > information and build a knowledge base on http://www.voip-forum.org/ The link doesn't work :-( > don't now and simply add "What's a pyroflax?" on it. Someone will > notice and explain what a pyroflax is... A what ? :-) -- Rémi ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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I found that site very useful as well, but is very slow. The webmaster of that site...!!! I can provide FREE hosting for that site and it should be much faster. ( Another two cents from me) Please do get in touch if interested. (Web hosting is something I do not need spoon feeding for CERTAIN. (Not sure about some other people) Senad ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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then ignore the thread. to use your words..."I always amazes me how so many EXPECT so much for nothing..." - Original Message - From: "John Vozza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source? > BS! :) > > Take the time to read and learn as much as you can from what's available > and believe it or not you may just learn something. Even if that something > is what to ask/search for. > > All those that get paid to answer questions on this list please raise your > hand. I know my hand is still on the keyboard. > > I always amazes me how so many EXPECT so much for nothing... > > Regards > > John > - > NetRom Internet Services 973-208-1339 voice > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 973-208-0942 fax > http://www.netrom.com > - > > > On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, PJ Welsh wrote: > > > I have to defend us newbies on this. > > > > This environment does not facilitate sequential knowledge building! Based on my entry to Asterisk, I should have already known T1/E1/VOIP/SIP/FreeWorld/H.232/X100P/PBX/FXO/FXS/channel bank etc you get the idea (still trying to figure out "skinny"...cisco something, I know). Heck, I'm struggling to get a grip on what and how to use/confiure SIP for linux and keep my hair. > > > > You don't start off with a prerequisite of knowledge to join like a class/school. You don't have the you-must-have-asterisk-101-before going to asterisk-102 before you can join this list. You have a forum that is GENERAL. > > > > I would like to a better effort to provide a more sensible way to start helping us newbies. I have to say that the Digium handbook helped a little, but not much. I have googled till I couldn't see straight. I just don't yet have the "big picture" that most of you do. I couldn't even tell you if I need a channel bank or a channel changer ;) at this point. > > > > A group of you seem to expect people to have a knowledge base that allows for entering keywords to google. I don't know those keywords. You know the context to search for when someone says I'm having a problem with insert-thing-here. > > > > Instead of the usual, "Search the archives". It would be more helpfull to give a hint on what to search for. I could search for SIP and get back several hundred "answers". Then I have to figure out where that answer lies in the series of possible answers. Then I have to somehow figure out if it works. > > > > As most of you teachers (past and present) should know, not all of us learn the same. Some people just "get" written material. Some NEED the "spoon" to make it to the next level. Some need the hands-on experience and other's just can't learn any more than they have already know(those people are not likely on this list, however). > > > > You do realize that the http://www.asterisk.org/index.php?menu=support lists the mailing list first for support, don't you. In fact, you have to go to the second page before you even see the google reference. More a few people tend to look for the FIRST way to get help not ALL ways to get help... > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 08:31:59PM +0200, Dave Cotton wrote: > > ... > > > Absolutely agree with you Steve. I left teachers training college in > > > 1970. I shock some teachers when I said that in all the years since I > > > haven't taught anyone anything. I've just enabled them to learn. > > > The problem is that in most national education systems the teacher is > > > expected to provide the answers to pass some test at the end of the > > > course. Thinking is not part of the curriculum. > > > -- > > > Dave Cotton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ___ > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > > ___ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 16:15, Rich Adamson wrote: > > I realized the same and started a process to collect a lot of that information and > > build a > > knowledge base on http://www.voip-forum.org/ > > The url does not seem to respond. Are you sure its up and working? hmm, looks like verisign is broken. try http://www.voip-info.org/ -- Steven Critchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Thursday 18 September 2003 16:15, Rich Adamson wrote: > > I realized the same and started a process to collect a lot of that > > information and build a knowledge base on > > http://www.voip-forum.org/ > > The url does not seem to respond. Are you sure its up and working? That should be .com, not .org. -Tilghman ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Maybe you are not talking about the same place, but I thought that http://www.voip-info.org was the Wiki. Sean ___ Sean Robertson NETXUSA p. 800-289-6389 f. 864-233-4344 "Ask me about Voice over IP." http://www.netxusa.com/ - Original Message - From: "Rich Adamson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source? > > > I realized the same and started a process to collect a lot of that information and build a > > knowledge base on http://www.voip-forum.org/ > > The url does not seem to respond. Are you sure its up and working? > > > > ___ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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BS! :) Take the time to read and learn as much as you can from what's available and believe it or not you may just learn something. Even if that something is what to ask/search for. All those that get paid to answer questions on this list please raise your hand. I know my hand is still on the keyboard. I always amazes me how so many EXPECT so much for nothing... Regards John - NetRom Internet Services973-208-1339 voice [EMAIL PROTECTED] 973-208-0942 fax http://www.netrom.com - On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, PJ Welsh wrote: > I have to defend us newbies on this. > > This environment does not facilitate sequential knowledge building! Based on my > entry to Asterisk, I should have already known > T1/E1/VOIP/SIP/FreeWorld/H.232/X100P/PBX/FXO/FXS/channel bank etc you get the idea > (still trying to figure out "skinny"...cisco something, I know). Heck, I'm > struggling to get a grip on what and how to use/confiure SIP for linux and keep my > hair. > > You don't start off with a prerequisite of knowledge to join like a class/school. > You don't have the you-must-have-asterisk-101-before going to asterisk-102 before > you can join this list. You have a forum that is GENERAL. > > I would like to a better effort to provide a more sensible way to start helping us > newbies. I have to say that the Digium handbook helped a little, but not much. I > have googled till I couldn't see straight. I just don't yet have the "big picture" > that most of you do. I couldn't even tell you if I need a channel bank or a channel > changer ;) at this point. > > A group of you seem to expect people to have a knowledge base that allows for > entering keywords to google. I don't know those keywords. You know the context to > search for when someone says I'm having a problem with insert-thing-here. > > Instead of the usual, "Search the archives". It would be more helpfull to give a > hint on what to search for. I could search for SIP and get back several hundred > "answers". Then I have to figure out where that answer lies in the series of > possible answers. Then I have to somehow figure out if it works. > > As most of you teachers (past and present) should know, not all of us learn the > same. Some people just "get" written material. Some NEED the "spoon" to make it to > the next level. Some need the hands-on experience and other's just can't learn any > more than they have already know(those people are not likely on this list, however). > > You do realize that the http://www.asterisk.org/index.php?menu=support lists the > mailing list first for support, don't you. In fact, you have to go to the second > page before you even see the google reference. More a few people tend to look for > the FIRST way to get help not ALL ways to get help... > > > > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 08:31:59PM +0200, Dave Cotton wrote: > ... > > Absolutely agree with you Steve. I left teachers training college in > > 1970. I shock some teachers when I said that in all the years since I > > haven't taught anyone anything. I've just enabled them to learn. > > The problem is that in most national education systems the teacher is > > expected to provide the answers to pass some test at the end of the > > course. Thinking is not part of the curriculum. > > -- > > Dave Cotton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ___ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Sorry about changing the original incorrect subject of "Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?" . Many have already written that thread off and this may be a good place to start on a positive note. Yes, I forgot to mention some of the sites that I have found usefull. I do have to say that http://www.voip-forum.org/ has been a very good resource! Keywords: newbie help support "search google" documentation links "spoon feed" So, I would say that these are some sites of interest in no real order: http://www.voip-forum.org/ http://www.asterisk.org/index.php?menu=support http://www.fnords.org/~eric/asterisk/ http://asterisk.gnuinter.net/ http://megaglobal.net/docs/asterisk/html/ http://home.cogeco.ca/~camstuff/ http://www.wwworks-inc.com/asterisk/ http://www.google.com/custom?q=&sa=Google+Search&cof=LW%3A40%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.asterisk.org%2Fimages%2Ftopics%2Fasterisk.png%3BLH%3A40%3B%0D%0AAH%3Acenter%3BGL%3A0%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.AsteriskPBX.org%3BAWFID%3Ad7bc203313616854%3B&domains=www.marko.net&sitesearch=www.marko.net Please feel free to add to this list On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 09:53:44PM +0200, Olle E. Johansson wrote: > I realized the same and started a process to collect a lot of that information and > build a > knowledge base on http://www.voip-forum.org/ > > Click on "Asterisk" on the home page and you'll find a lot of information. On that > web, you'll also > find information I gathered about the rest of the telecom stuff I didn't know > anything about. > So have others. There's plenty of pages with facts, explanations and pointers to > find there. > > It's a start, please help us helping other newcomers by adding stuff, questions and > keywords > you don't know. If you haven't got an explanation, create a page named by the term > you > don't now and simply add "What's a pyroflax?" on it. Someone will notice and explain > what a pyroflax is... > > The environment surrounding the Asterisk Open Source project is built by all of us. > Now, you're part of this environment. Welcome! > > /Olle > ...still learning and trying to understand FXO, ISUPs, RDNIS and other terms... > > ___ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
It seems we have a mailing list: THE NATURAL LIFE CYCLE OF MAILING LISTS Every list seems to go through the same cycle: 1. Initial enthusiasm (people introduce themselves, and gush a lot about how wonderful it is to find kindred souls). 2. Evangelism (people moan about how few folks are posting to the list, and brainstorm recruitment strategies). 3. Growth (more and more people join, more and more lengthy threads develop, occasional off-topic threads pop up) 4. Community (lots of threads, some more relevant than others; lots of information and advice is exchanged; experts help other experts as well as less experienced colleagues; friendships develop; people tease each other; newcomers are welcomed with generosity and patience; everyone---newbie and expert alike---feels comfortable asking questions, suggesting answers, and sharing opinions) 5. Discomfort with diversity (the number of messages increases dramatically; not every thread is fascinating to every reader; people start complaining about the signal-to-noise ratio; person 1 threatens to quit if *other* people don't limit discussion to person 1's pet topic; person 2 agrees with person 1; person 3 tells 1 & 2 to lighten up; more bandwidth is wasted complaining about off-topic threads than is used for the threads themselves; everyone gets annoyed) 6a. Smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone who asks an 'old' question or responds with humor to a serious post; newbies are rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing level of a few minor issues; all interesting discussions happen by private email and are limited to a few participants; the purists spend lots of time self-righteously congratulating each other on keeping off-topic threads off the list) OR 6b. Maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the participants stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up briefly every few weeks; many people wear out their second or third 'delete' key, but the list lives contentedly ever after) - Original Message - From: "Wade J. Weppler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 12:40 PM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source? I agree. I was in exactly the same spot as you just over a year ago. I jumped into Asterisk without any idea of what any of the terms you mention mean. I vowed to setup a FAQ for users in my position, but now that I'm knee deep in it, it's hard to put myself back into that mindset and decide what's necessary and what isn't. As you're currently in that position, I'd be more than happy to answer a set of questions, and post them as a newbie-FAQ. -wade > I have to defend us newbies on this. > > This environment does not facilitate sequential knowledge building! Based > on my entry to Asterisk, I should have already known > T1/E1/VOIP/SIP/FreeWorld/H.232/X100P/PBX/FXO/FXS/channel bank etc you get > the idea (still trying to figure out "skinny"...cisco something, I know). > Heck, I'm struggling to get a grip on what and how to use/confiure SIP for > linux and keep my hair. > > You don't start off with a prerequisite of knowledge to join like a > class/school. You don't have the you-must-have-asterisk-101-before going > to asterisk-102 before you can join this list. You have a forum that is > GENERAL. > > I would like to a better effort to provide a more sensible way to start > helping us newbies. I have to say that the Digium handbook helped a > little, but not much. I have googled till I couldn't see straight. I just > don't yet have the "big picture" that most of you do. I couldn't even tell > you if I need a channel bank or a channel changer ;) at this point. > > A group of you seem to expect people to have a knowledge base that allows > for entering keywords to google. I don't know those keywords. You know the > context to search for when someone says I'm having a problem with insert- > thing-here. > > Instead of the usual, "Search the archives". It would be more helpfull to > give a hint on what to search for. I could search for SIP and get back > several hundred "answers". Then I have to figure out where that answer > lies in the series of possible answers. Then I have to somehow figure out > if it works. > > As most of you teachers (past and present) should know, not all of us > learn the same. Some people just "get" written material. Some NEED the > "spoon" to make it to the next level. Some need the hands-on experience > and other's just can't learn any more than they have already know(those > people are not likely on this list, however). > > You do realize that the http://www.asterisk.org/index.php?menu=support > lists the mailing
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
> I realized the same and started a process to collect a lot of that information and > build a > knowledge base on http://www.voip-forum.org/ The url does not seem to respond. Are you sure its up and working? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
I just want to thank you very much PJ Welsh for saying something I have wanted to say. And your right this is suppose to be the place to get help. I am new to Asterisk and I am learning the hard way. There have been some people here thinking that we are all programers or 100% Linux types. The list said user's. I am a user of the system I got this system installed and it's hard to configure it all! I am learning but there is no real help file! Some of us are using this system in the real world and would like help with it! It's not a toy. The only way that this system will grow is with good support! And at present it's very hard to get support or there is no support! I can see the future is going to be with something like Asterisk why not let it be Asterisk. Again thank you for your comments. -- Original Message -- From: PJ Welsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:17:17 -0500 >I have to defend us newbies on this. > >This environment does not facilitate sequential knowledge building! Based on my entry >to Asterisk, I should have already known >T1/E1/VOIP/SIP/FreeWorld/H.232/X100P/PBX/FXO/FXS/channel bank etc you get the idea >(still trying to figure out "skinny"...cisco something, I know). Heck, I'm struggling >to get a grip on what and how to use/confiure SIP for linux and keep my hair. > >You don't start off with a prerequisite of knowledge to join like a class/school. You >don't have the you-must-have-asterisk-101-before going to asterisk-102 before you can >join this list. You have a forum that is GENERAL. > >I would like to a better effort to provide a more sensible way to start helping us >newbies. I have to say that the Digium handbook helped a little, but not much. I have >googled till I couldn't see straight. I just don't yet have the "big picture" that >most of you do. I couldn't even tell you if I need a channel bank or a channel >changer ;) at this point. > >A group of you seem to expect people to have a knowledge base that allows for >entering keywords to google. I don't know those keywords. You know the context to >search for when someone says I'm having a problem with insert-thing-here. > >Instead of the usual, "Search the archives". It would be more helpfull to give a hint >on what to search for. I could search for SIP and get back several hundred "answers". >Then I have to figure out where that answer lies in the series of possible answers. >Then I have to somehow figure out if it works. > >As most of you teachers (past and present) should know, not all of us learn the same. >Some people just "get" written material. Some NEED the "spoon" to make it to the next >level. Some need the hands-on experience and other's just can't learn any more than >they have already know(those people are not likely on this list, however). > >You do realize that the http://www.asterisk.org/index.php?menu=support lists the >mailing list first for support, don't you. In fact, you have to go to the second page >before you even see the google reference. More a few people tend to look for the >FIRST way to get help not ALL ways to get help... > > > > >On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 08:31:59PM +0200, Dave Cotton wrote: >... >> Absolutely agree with you Steve. I left teachers training college in >> 1970. I shock some teachers when I said that in all the years since I >> haven't taught anyone anything. I've just enabled them to learn. >> The problem is that in most national education systems the teacher is >> expected to provide the answers to pass some test at the end of the >> course. Thinking is not part of the curriculum. >> -- >> Dave Cotton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >___ >Asterisk-Users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
PJ Welsh wrote: I have to defend us newbies on this. This environment does not facilitate sequential knowledge building! You do realize that the http://www.asterisk.org/index.php?menu=support lists the mailing list first for support, don't you. In fact, you have to go to the second page before you even see the google reference. More a few people tend to look for the FIRST way to get help not ALL ways to get help... PJ, I realized the same and started a process to collect a lot of that information and build a knowledge base on http://www.voip-forum.org/ Click on "Asterisk" on the home page and you'll find a lot of information. On that web, you'll also find information I gathered about the rest of the telecom stuff I didn't know anything about. So have others. There's plenty of pages with facts, explanations and pointers to find there. It's a start, please help us helping other newcomers by adding stuff, questions and keywords you don't know. If you haven't got an explanation, create a page named by the term you don't now and simply add "What's a pyroflax?" on it. Someone will notice and explain what a pyroflax is... The environment surrounding the Asterisk Open Source project is built by all of us. Now, you're part of this environment. Welcome! /Olle ...still learning and trying to understand FXO, ISUPs, RDNIS and other terms... ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
I agree. I was in exactly the same spot as you just over a year ago. I jumped into Asterisk without any idea of what any of the terms you mention mean. I vowed to setup a FAQ for users in my position, but now that I'm knee deep in it, it's hard to put myself back into that mindset and decide what's necessary and what isn't. As you're currently in that position, I'd be more than happy to answer a set of questions, and post them as a newbie-FAQ. -wade > I have to defend us newbies on this. > > This environment does not facilitate sequential knowledge building! Based > on my entry to Asterisk, I should have already known > T1/E1/VOIP/SIP/FreeWorld/H.232/X100P/PBX/FXO/FXS/channel bank etc you get > the idea (still trying to figure out "skinny"...cisco something, I know). > Heck, I'm struggling to get a grip on what and how to use/confiure SIP for > linux and keep my hair. > > You don't start off with a prerequisite of knowledge to join like a > class/school. You don't have the you-must-have-asterisk-101-before going > to asterisk-102 before you can join this list. You have a forum that is > GENERAL. > > I would like to a better effort to provide a more sensible way to start > helping us newbies. I have to say that the Digium handbook helped a > little, but not much. I have googled till I couldn't see straight. I just > don't yet have the "big picture" that most of you do. I couldn't even tell > you if I need a channel bank or a channel changer ;) at this point. > > A group of you seem to expect people to have a knowledge base that allows > for entering keywords to google. I don't know those keywords. You know the > context to search for when someone says I'm having a problem with insert- > thing-here. > > Instead of the usual, "Search the archives". It would be more helpfull to > give a hint on what to search for. I could search for SIP and get back > several hundred "answers". Then I have to figure out where that answer > lies in the series of possible answers. Then I have to somehow figure out > if it works. > > As most of you teachers (past and present) should know, not all of us > learn the same. Some people just "get" written material. Some NEED the > "spoon" to make it to the next level. Some need the hands-on experience > and other's just can't learn any more than they have already know(those > people are not likely on this list, however). > > You do realize that the http://www.asterisk.org/index.php?menu=support > lists the mailing list first for support, don't you. In fact, you have to > go to the second page before you even see the google reference. More a few > people tend to look for the FIRST way to get help not ALL ways to get > help... > > > > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 08:31:59PM +0200, Dave Cotton wrote: > ... > > Absolutely agree with you Steve. I left teachers training college in > > 1970. I shock some teachers when I said that in all the years since I > > haven't taught anyone anything. I've just enabled them to learn. > > The problem is that in most national education systems the teacher is > > expected to provide the answers to pass some test at the end of the > > course. Thinking is not part of the curriculum. > > -- > > Dave Cotton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ___ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
I have to defend us newbies on this. This environment does not facilitate sequential knowledge building! Based on my entry to Asterisk, I should have already known T1/E1/VOIP/SIP/FreeWorld/H.232/X100P/PBX/FXO/FXS/channel bank etc you get the idea (still trying to figure out "skinny"...cisco something, I know). Heck, I'm struggling to get a grip on what and how to use/confiure SIP for linux and keep my hair. You don't start off with a prerequisite of knowledge to join like a class/school. You don't have the you-must-have-asterisk-101-before going to asterisk-102 before you can join this list. You have a forum that is GENERAL. I would like to a better effort to provide a more sensible way to start helping us newbies. I have to say that the Digium handbook helped a little, but not much. I have googled till I couldn't see straight. I just don't yet have the "big picture" that most of you do. I couldn't even tell you if I need a channel bank or a channel changer ;) at this point. A group of you seem to expect people to have a knowledge base that allows for entering keywords to google. I don't know those keywords. You know the context to search for when someone says I'm having a problem with insert-thing-here. Instead of the usual, "Search the archives". It would be more helpfull to give a hint on what to search for. I could search for SIP and get back several hundred "answers". Then I have to figure out where that answer lies in the series of possible answers. Then I have to somehow figure out if it works. As most of you teachers (past and present) should know, not all of us learn the same. Some people just "get" written material. Some NEED the "spoon" to make it to the next level. Some need the hands-on experience and other's just can't learn any more than they have already know(those people are not likely on this list, however). You do realize that the http://www.asterisk.org/index.php?menu=support lists the mailing list first for support, don't you. In fact, you have to go to the second page before you even see the google reference. More a few people tend to look for the FIRST way to get help not ALL ways to get help... On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 08:31:59PM +0200, Dave Cotton wrote: ... > Absolutely agree with you Steve. I left teachers training college in > 1970. I shock some teachers when I said that in all the years since I > haven't taught anyone anything. I've just enabled them to learn. > The problem is that in most national education systems the teacher is > expected to provide the answers to pass some test at the end of the > course. Thinking is not part of the curriculum. > -- > Dave Cotton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 19:44, Steven Critchfield wrote: > I regularly have to point out to people who ask me questions that when I > ask them to think about their problem and ask them questions that point > them in the right direction of figuring out the answer for themselves > that I have helped them advance themselves. My family included do not > always like the fact that I don't always answer questions with facts, > but pointed questions to make them solve their own problems. Its funny > how good teachers do the same thing, and all of them are considered hard > and not always liked. These kinds of teachers though are the ones who > get you farther in life. Absolutely agree with you Steve. I left teachers training college in 1970. I shock some teachers when I said that in all the years since I haven't taught anyone anything. I've just enabled them to learn. The problem is that in most national education systems the teacher is expected to provide the answers to pass some test at the end of the course. Thinking is not part of the curriculum. -- Dave Cotton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
I did not read the comment made by Alistair hence why I am replying to it now. And thanks, to PJ Welsh for bringing it up. Your points are true, valid and I am sure most people will agree with you. (Even the old timers where newbies at some stage)! Full VOIP understanding takes time. There are many little pieces of information to know in order for all of it to make sense. A month ago, I did not know what E1/T1 is, let alone all complexity associated with VOIP. However, personally I am determined to get there as long it takes. Mark, all people at Digium and all members of this community should only benefit by having people getting interest in *. We all know how hard is to sell something to somebody, and I for one will support Digium, by buying its hardware as my part of my "two cents" and appreciation of the *. Thanks guys. In regards, to my question to Michael Koehler, the question was directed directly at Michael, presuming Michael has more info or is connected with Nikotel in same way and not asking anyone else in particular to make their comments. I REPLIED to that thread, I certainly did not CREATE new thread!!! If that was not understood by Alistair, than it is true that some people even when spoon fed still do not understand what they just read!!! Also, guys thank you all for your support you have offered and given so far. Senad ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: List ettiquette (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?)
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 12:03, Alastair Maw wrote: > - Ask a new question by clicking the "new"/"compose" button in your > mail client. Only hit reply if you are actually replying. In > particular, don't hit reply, delete the whole of the subject line, > and attempt to start a new thread this way. Stephen will flame you, > and the rest of us with threaded mail readers will silently sit and > seethe quietly in a corner (or miss it altogether, having marked that > thread as uninteresting/irrelevant/don't know anything about it). > > - Don't post in HTML/RTF. Basically, it holds no advantage over plain > text, and has many disadvantages (size, accessibility, etc, etc.) I'm getting better about this. I am only including an introductory flame if I answer the question, else I ignore the message. But to reiterate the second point. I may be alone, or I may be part of a larger group, but I rarely will read a message that is in HTML unless it had an interesting subject line. And then if it is difficult to read because of the HTML, it will quickly get ignored. -- Steven Critchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 11:33, PJ Welsh wrote: > You guys are a tough crowd. I do have to admit I did "get" this one, > however. > > I don't know about Senad, but this is not an easy list to pick up on. > In order to search the list, you have to know the terms/acronyms. In > order to know the terms, you have to learn/ask. Many of you know this > stuff back and forth. You know the relaionships of what-does-what. You > have connected the dots and put these pieces together. I am still > trying to get a handle on MOST all of this stuff. I can barely get the > demo to work ;) > > Let's face it, there will always be dumb questions (like most of > mine). Please be nice and think of the many factors that can > contribute. Think of knowledge and language and barriers. To help bridge the gap from the other side of the knowledge gap, I'd love it if people would read at least the introduction to this page.. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html I hate to throw that link out to often because people tend to start considering it rude also. After reading it again myself and reading this quote... >Indeed, one of my major complaints about the computer field is that >whereas Newton could say, "If I have seen a little farther than others, >it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants," I am forced to >say, "Today we stand on each other's feet." Perhaps the central problem >we face in all of computer science is how we are to get to the situation >where we build on top of the work of others rather than redoing so much >of it in a trivially different way. Science is supposed to be cumulative, >not almost endless duplication of the same kind of things. > >-- Richard W. Hamming, "One Man's View of Computer Science," 1968 Turing >Award Lecture, quoting from Sir Issac Newton's letter to Robert Hooke, >February 5, 1675/76. See ACM Turing Award Lectures: the First Twenty >Years: 1966-1985. (ACM Press. 1987). See also this 1986 talk. I see where the hacker culture does not always lend itself to the advancement of the cause as much as advancement of the individuals in the cause. I regularly have to point out to people who ask me questions that when I ask them to think about their problem and ask them questions that point them in the right direction of figuring out the answer for themselves that I have helped them advance themselves. My family included do not always like the fact that I don't always answer questions with facts, but pointed questions to make them solve their own problems. Its funny how good teachers do the same thing, and all of them are considered hard and not always liked. These kinds of teachers though are the ones who get you farther in life. So in conclusion, ask your question when you need help, think about what it is exactly you need to know, and do not take it as a personal attack if there is a comment made about how to solve the problem yourself. -- Steven Critchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
List ettiquette (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?)
PJ Welsh wrote: > This */IVR/VOIP/Telephony stuff is only easy when you get to *REALY* > know it. I am not there! I know my GNU/Linux systems... I don't know > this... please be nice to me atleast ;) I am nice. :) The point of that tongue-in-cheek e-mail was that hopefully Senad will type the single obvious word into Google next time before he wastes hundreds of people's time (albeit only 5 seconds each) with questions he can answer for himself very very easily. VoIP is complex. PSTN systems are complex. But using Google isn't. If someone points out that Company Xyzzy sells a product/service, I can't imagine why anybody would even bother asking a mailing list about it, rather than just going straight to Google and searching for Xyzzy. If you have a genuine problem, the list is friendly and nice. If someone can't be bothered to type a single and specific word into Google, and it's very obvious they haven't made an attempt to think/look for themselves, then it's hardly surprising that most people have little patience for them. So, as a reference for all you people who get burnt when posting to the list, here is a guide: - Ask a new question by clicking the "new"/"compose" button in your mail client. Only hit reply if you are actually replying. In particular, don't hit reply, delete the whole of the subject line, and attempt to start a new thread this way. Stephen will flame you, and the rest of us with threaded mail readers will silently sit and seethe quietly in a corner (or miss it altogether, having marked that thread as uninteresting/irrelevant/don't know anything about it). - Don't post in HTML/RTF. Basically, it holds no advantage over plain text, and has many disadvantages (size, accessibility, etc, etc.) - Use Google if you think the question might be obvious. In particular, search like so to look in the list archives (e.g.): site:lists.digium.com SIP H323 gateway - If you can't find it after five minutes of looking, but still worry that it's quite an easy obvious question, everyone will like you lots if you say things like "It's probably quite easy, but I can't find anything on Google about it unless I'm being blind..." And that's about it, really. Simple, see? -- Alastair Maw MX Telecom - Systems Analyst http://www.mxtelecom.com ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
You guys are a tough crowd. I do have to admit I did "get" this one, however. I don't know about Senad, but this is not an easy list to pick up on. In order to search the list, you have to know the terms/acronyms. In order to know the terms, you have to learn/ask. Many of you know this stuff back and forth. You know the relaionships of what-does-what. You have connected the dots and put these pieces together. I am still trying to get a handle on MOST all of this stuff. I can barely get the demo to work ;) Let's face it, there will always be dumb questions (like most of mine). Please be nice and think of the many factors that can contribute. Think of knowledge and language and barriers. This */IVR/VOIP/Telephony stuff is only easy when you get to *REALY* know it. I am not there! I know my GNU/Linux systems... I don't know this... please be nice to me atleast ;) On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 10:38:58AM +0100, Alastair Maw wrote: > Senad Jordanovic wrote: > > have you more info on this free phone offer? please send it to me off the > > lest? > > Just as a totally wild guess, and call me crazy and amazingly > intelligent for thinking of it, but how about looking at www.nikotel.com? > > I remain astonished by how many people need constant spoon feeding... > > -- > Alastair Maw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > MX Telecom - Systems Analyst > http://www.mxtelecom.com > > ___ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
Senad Jordanovic wrote: have you more info on this free phone offer? please send it to me off the lest? Just as a totally wild guess, and call me crazy and amazingly intelligent for thinking of it, but how about looking at www.nikotel.com? I remain astonished by how many people need constant spoon feeding... -- Alastair Maw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MX Telecom - Systems Analyst http://www.mxtelecom.com ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
have you more info on this free phone offer? please send it to me off the lest? senad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Koehler Sent: 15 September 2003 23:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source? You get a Budgetone for free at Nikotel if you charge your account there with 100 bucks. The nikotel service works with *, even behind nat Tom (UnitedLayer) wrote: >Anyone have a good source for BT-101 phones? >I had a lead on some, but they've not materialized. > >I'm also interested in the ATA-286 (HandyTone) units as well. > >This is for my personal Asterisk/INOC-DBA setup, that has yet to >materialize heh. > >--- >Tom Sparks > >___ >Asterisk-Users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > > ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
Black phones will be in the US the first part of Oct. This direct from GS. They are enroute now to the US, and should be ready to ship by first week of Oct. On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 03:09:01PM -0700, Steve Haehnichen wrote: > -=> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:30:43 -0600, John Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > they require you to purchase 2 phones, > > No, they just cost more individually: $79.99 today. Versus two for > $129.99. Domestic shipping was cheap. > > > and they don't carry BT-102 or AT-286 :) > > True, that. > > And they're off doing their own thing, not hip to Asterisk. > > I'm glad to see another inexpensive source for the Grandstream line. > Now if only they would ship the black and blue units.. :) > > -Steve > ___ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source? [Nikotel]
Don't forget nufone can do outbound for 2.9 cents a min also.
bkw
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Steve Haehnichen wrote:
> -=> On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:07:39 +0200, Michael Koehler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > You get a Budgetone for free at Nikotel if you charge your account
> > there with 100 bucks. The nikotel service works with *, even behind
> > nat
>
> I second that. The Nikotel folks have been very nice, and I did get
> the free phone. I'm posting my Nikotel config below for anyone who
> wants it. It works, but there is a slight (2-second?) delay in
> passing audio, so I sometimes don't hear the first "Hello" from a
> called party.
>
> Right now, wholesale.voicepulse.com has the same pre-paid Domestic US
> rates ($0.03), a small $10.00 minimum, no monthly fee, and best of
> all: IAX support. I'm getting faster connections with voicepulse IAX
> than Nikotel SIP, but I could be doing something wrong.
>
> -Steve
>
> -
>
> ; { sip.conf }
>
> ;; Register with Nikotel
> register => myname:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/nikotel
>
> [nikotel]
> context = incoming
> type = friend
> secret = mypass
> auth = md5
> username = myname
> fromuser = myname; "IMPORTANT! Nikotel requires this!"
> host = calamar0.nikotel.com
>
> -
>
> ; { extensions.conf }
>
> [globals]
> MYAREACODE=1858
>
> ;; I don't use the "9" prefix here
> [nikotel]
> exten => _NXX,1,Dial(SIP/${MYAREACODE}${EXTEN:[EMAIL PROTECTED],60,r)
> exten => _1NXXNXX,1,Dial(SIP/${EXTEN:[EMAIL PROTECTED],60,r)
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source? [Nikotel]
-=> On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:07:39 +0200, Michael Koehler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> You get a Budgetone for free at Nikotel if you charge your account
> there with 100 bucks. The nikotel service works with *, even behind
> nat
I second that. The Nikotel folks have been very nice, and I did get
the free phone. I'm posting my Nikotel config below for anyone who
wants it. It works, but there is a slight (2-second?) delay in
passing audio, so I sometimes don't hear the first "Hello" from a
called party.
Right now, wholesale.voicepulse.com has the same pre-paid Domestic US
rates ($0.03), a small $10.00 minimum, no monthly fee, and best of
all: IAX support. I'm getting faster connections with voicepulse IAX
than Nikotel SIP, but I could be doing something wrong.
-Steve
-
; { sip.conf }
;; Register with Nikotel
register => myname:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/nikotel
[nikotel]
context = incoming
type = friend
secret = mypass
auth = md5
username = myname
fromuser = myname; "IMPORTANT! Nikotel requires this!"
host = calamar0.nikotel.com
-
; { extensions.conf }
[globals]
MYAREACODE=1858
;; I don't use the "9" prefix here
[nikotel]
exten => _NXX,1,Dial(SIP/${MYAREACODE}${EXTEN:[EMAIL PROTECTED],60,r)
exten => _1NXXNXX,1,Dial(SIP/${EXTEN:[EMAIL PROTECTED],60,r)
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Steve Haehnichen wrote: > -=> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:30:43 -0600, John Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > they require you to purchase 2 phones, > No, they just cost more individually: $79.99 today. Versus two for > $129.99. Domestic shipping was cheap. > > and they don't carry BT-102 or AT-286 :) > True, that. > And they're off doing their own thing, not hip to Asterisk. > I'm glad to see another inexpensive source for the Grandstream line. > Now if only they would ship the black and blue units.. :) I'll have the black ones available at approximately the end of this month, barring any shipping troubles. dave -- Dave Weis "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment [EMAIL PROTECTED] of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."- James Madison ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
-=> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:30:43 -0600, John Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > they require you to purchase 2 phones, No, they just cost more individually: $79.99 today. Versus two for $129.99. Domestic shipping was cheap. > and they don't carry BT-102 or AT-286 :) True, that. And they're off doing their own thing, not hip to Asterisk. I'm glad to see another inexpensive source for the Grandstream line. Now if only they would ship the black and blue units.. :) -Steve ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
You get a Budgetone for free at Nikotel if you charge your account there with 100 bucks. The nikotel service works with *, even behind nat Tom (UnitedLayer) wrote: Anyone have a good source for BT-101 phones? I had a lead on some, but they've not materialized. I'm also interested in the ATA-286 (HandyTone) units as well. This is for my personal Asterisk/INOC-DBA setup, that has yet to materialize heh. --- Tom Sparks ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
they require you to purchase 2 phones, and they don't carry BT-102 or AT-286 :) On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 05:04:43PM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote: > www.sipphone.com > > > - Original Message - > From: "John Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source? > > > > Yes, you can now purchase GS phones from us > > > > http://www.chagres.net/products/voip/phones.html > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 01:11:54PM -0700, Tom (UnitedLayer) wrote: > > > Anyone have a good source for BT-101 phones? > > > I had a lead on some, but they've not materialized. > > > > > > I'm also interested in the ATA-286 (HandyTone) units as well. > > > > > > This is for my personal Asterisk/INOC-DBA setup, that has yet to > > > materialize heh. > > > > > > --- > > > Tom Sparks > > > > > > ___ > > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > ___ > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > ___ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
www.sipphone.com - Original Message - From: "John Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source? > Yes, you can now purchase GS phones from us > > http://www.chagres.net/products/voip/phones.html > > > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 01:11:54PM -0700, Tom (UnitedLayer) wrote: > > Anyone have a good source for BT-101 phones? > > I had a lead on some, but they've not materialized. > > > > I'm also interested in the ATA-286 (HandyTone) units as well. > > > > This is for my personal Asterisk/INOC-DBA setup, that has yet to > > materialize heh. > > > > --- > > Tom Sparks > > > > ___ > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > ___ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
On Monday 15 September 2003 03:27 pm, Dave Cotton wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 22:11, Tom (UnitedLayer) wrote: > > Anyone have a good source for BT-101 phones? > > Yes. > > But it may not work for you because I've no idea on which of the 5 > continents you are. Asterisk apparently is interplanetary now, as the planet I'm on (Earth) has 7 continents. ;-) -Tilghman ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
I think there are 7 continents??? Scott M. Stingel Emerging Voice Technology Inc. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Dave Cotton > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 9:27 PM > To: Asterisk List > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source? > > > On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 22:11, Tom (UnitedLayer) wrote: > > Anyone have a good source for BT-101 phones? > > Yes. > > But it may not work for you because I've no idea on which of the 5 > continents you are. > > -- > Dave Cotton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ___ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 22:11, Tom (UnitedLayer) wrote: > Anyone have a good source for BT-101 phones? Yes. But it may not work for you because I've no idea on which of the 5 continents you are. -- Dave Cotton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source?
Yes, you can now purchase GS phones from us http://www.chagres.net/products/voip/phones.html On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 01:11:54PM -0700, Tom (UnitedLayer) wrote: > Anyone have a good source for BT-101 phones? > I had a lead on some, but they've not materialized. > > I'm also interested in the ATA-286 (HandyTone) units as well. > > This is for my personal Asterisk/INOC-DBA setup, that has yet to > materialize heh. > > --- > Tom Sparks > > ___ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Anyone have a good source for BT-101 phones? I had a lead on some, but they've not materialized. I'm also interested in the ATA-286 (HandyTone) units as well. This is for my personal Asterisk/INOC-DBA setup, that has yet to materialize heh. --- Tom Sparks ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
