RE: [Asterisk-Users] Lucent Phones
-Original Message- From: Gregory Junker On Mon, 2004-04-12 at 11:28 -0400, Troy Settle wrote: At this point, I'm using straight Asterisk, with a a PSTN gateway at a data POP passing calls via IAX to my PBX here in the office. Who is the PSTN gateway provider? The only CLEC around here that is seriously considering any sort of VoIP commercial service is Time Warner Telecom (TWTC), our current telecom provider, and I have no details on what they are considering. If VoicePulse had a reason to offer PSTN local exchange service in this area I'd drop TWTC like a bad habit...I'd then settle for the Cincinnati Bell DSL or some other form of lower-cost business-class broadband for IP data access. KMC Telecom is my CLEC. I'm colocated with them at their central office. I have a DS3 for bringing PRI into my Lucent TNT. The TNT can function as a rudimentary switch and has the ability to generate T1/PRI that plug right into my * box. So, in essense, I'm my own PSTN gateway provider. FWIW, you should be able to completely eliminate the Connectreach and bring your T1 directly into *. You just need to find out what channels on the T1 are used for voice, and which are used for data. Using a T400 or TE405, you can cross connect the data channels out to another T1 to go into your router. TWTC has examined the T100P and informed me that it's impossible, since their IBL uses proprietary formatting and signalling. Also, I ought to be able to use the data channels directly, according to Digium, since my proposed Asterisk box is also our router. If they are lying to me (which I doubt...they have a vested interest in using a proprietary method), then as for finding out which channels are used for what is as simple as trial-and-error and a cell phone. ;) (and of course, the $400 or so to pick up a T100P to try it out...) I am guessing first four are voice and next 12 are data. I'm rather confused by this. It was my understanding that the connectreach was nothing more than a glorified channel bank with IP routing capabilities (I have 2 customers with 6 voice lines, and 384k of data that's handed off as ethernet by the connectreach. The voice lines come off a 50pin telco connector. If TWTC, like my CLEC, offers the connectreach at no additional cost, then I seriously doubt that they would lie to you. Returning the connectreach would save them some small amount of money at the end of the day. If their solution is propriatary, that's fine, but I don't see how/why they wouldn't be able to reprovision the T1 as a normal circuit. If you can get Digium to give you a 30 day refund window, then I'd say that it's well worth it to give this a try. -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks http://www.psknet.com 866.477.5638 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Lucent Phones
I am confused as well. They also made it clear that the contract terms included recouping the cost of the ConnectReach for them, so I doubt that TWTC is offering it at no extra cost. My contention with that, of course, is, why not take my ConnectReach and give it to someone else... you already have had 18 months of me paying for it. As for the refund window, well, Mark's a nice guy, but I don't know if he's _that_ nice. ;) Greg On Tue, 2004-04-13 at 10:50 -0400, Troy Settle wrote: -Original Message- From: Gregory Junker TWTC has examined the T100P and informed me that it's impossible, since their IBL uses proprietary formatting and signalling. Also, I ought to be able to use the data channels directly, according to Digium, since my proposed Asterisk box is also our router. If they are lying to me (which I doubt...they have a vested interest in using a proprietary method), then as for finding out which channels are used for what is as simple as trial-and-error and a cell phone. ;) (and of course, the $400 or so to pick up a T100P to try it out...) I am guessing first four are voice and next 12 are data. I'm rather confused by this. It was my understanding that the connectreach was nothing more than a glorified channel bank with IP routing capabilities (I have 2 customers with 6 voice lines, and 384k of data that's handed off as ethernet by the connectreach. The voice lines come off a 50pin telco connector. If TWTC, like my CLEC, offers the connectreach at no additional cost, then I seriously doubt that they would lie to you. Returning the connectreach would save them some small amount of money at the end of the day. If their solution is propriatary, that's fine, but I don't see how/why they wouldn't be able to reprovision the T1 as a normal circuit. If you can get Digium to give you a 30 day refund window, then I'd say that it's well worth it to give this a try. -- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Lucent Phones
Greg, You're going through what I went through last year, and I feel your pain. I started by mixing * with Lucent, but that turned into a nightmare. It was a twisted and convoluted setup to transfer calls to more than a couple VOIP extensions, or for callers to dial anyone's extension directly. At one time, I think I had a call pass through * three times and the lucent twice. What a mess. At this point, I'm using straight Asterisk, with a a PSTN gateway at a data POP passing calls via IAX to my PBX here in the office. From there, I have a mix of SIP and POTS (cordless) extensions. FWIW, you should be able to completely eliminate the Connectreach and bring your T1 directly into *. You just need to find out what channels on the T1 are used for voice, and which are used for data. Using a T400 or TE405, you can cross connect the data channels out to another T1 to go into your router. I agree that it would be cool as hell to reverse engineer Lucent's phones. Having an 18D on everyone's desk would be the coolest damned thing ever. The problem, of course, is not only reversing the protocols, but also developing the hardware interface (a regular channel bank will not do the trick). -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks http://www.psknet.com 540.994.4254 ~ 866.477.5638 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gregory Junker Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 7:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Lucent Phones Right, I know that the voice part is POTS because I have a standard cordless phone plugged into our Partner system. Hmm, wouldn't ETR be covered under a patent and not a copyright? And has 17 years been up yet? And if someone is selling devices that convert to/from ETR, then the protocol spec is available in some form (even if it's some draconian Avaya licensing scheme). I agree that Avaya has a vested interest in keeping the spec out of the public eye (sell phone upgrades, sell Merlin adapter modules), but this technology is definitely getting long in the toothwhich doesn't mean that my users exactly want to give up the familiarity of the Partner phones just yet. ;) And since I already have Partner phones, and don't really care to spend $200-$300 a pop to replace them with Snom or Cisco phones (good as they may be)... My goal is to get rid of that box on my wall. I already got rid of one (Cisco 1720 that was our router, replaced by a Linux server/router), now I have two to go (Lucent ConnectReach for our Time Warner Telecom IBL, and the Partner ACS phone system). Hell, Lucent Technologies ought to pay me rent for the amount of space they occupy on my walls. [rant=on] It is completely obnoxious to me that I have to take an incoming channelized T1 and have it broken out into physical copper wire so that I can insert it into my Partner system for voice. If I had then to take that copper, spend beaucoup more bucks to be able to put it back INTO digital form so that it can work with an Asterisk PBX...that's borderline surreal to me. Everyone is so vested in making sure that none of their damned equipment interoperates with anyone else's (yet all the while paying serious lip service to the holy grail of standards) that I am to the point where DCMA be damned, if I can measure it I can figure it out. It pisses me off no end that TWTC can't simply send a normal T1 into my business (and therefore allow me to use a simple T100P), and I'll bet that when they start offering VoIP in this area (SW Ohio) it'll also involve some absurd piece of proprietary equipment further to clutter up my wall or rack. [rant=off] At any rate, yes, I could pick up a TDM400 and have Asterisk act like Partner ACS analog extensions, or pick up 3 X100's and use it directly for the incoming lines (and then deal with the user fallout regarding adaptation to X-Lite or something similar), but I just can't bring myself to do it, honestly. Ultimately, I want those boxes off my wall because technologically, they do not need to be there. Guess I'm stuck with finding 7960's on eBay as cheap as I can. *sigh* Anyone want an outmoded Partner ACS R1.0 analog phone system? ;) Greg On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 17:46 -0500, Steven Sokol wrote: On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 15:44 -0500, Eric Wieling wrote: Don't expect the fancy function buttons to work, however. That's specifically what I was asking about... Has anyone tried to decipher the ETR signaling protocol? Or is it such a closely guarded Lucent/Avaya secret as to make the formula for Coca-Cola look like an open-source recipe? ETR (Enhanced Tip/Ring) supposedly uses some variety of serial protocol over two lines to provide the screen functionality. The voice channel is still POTS. These phones are sold with the Partner system and can be added to the Magix systems
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Lucent Phones
On Mon, 2004-04-12 at 11:28 -0400, Troy Settle wrote: At this point, I'm using straight Asterisk, with a a PSTN gateway at a data POP passing calls via IAX to my PBX here in the office. Who is the PSTN gateway provider? The only CLEC around here that is seriously considering any sort of VoIP commercial service is Time Warner Telecom (TWTC), our current telecom provider, and I have no details on what they are considering. If VoicePulse had a reason to offer PSTN local exchange service in this area I'd drop TWTC like a bad habit...I'd then settle for the Cincinnati Bell DSL or some other form of lower-cost business-class broadband for IP data access. FWIW, you should be able to completely eliminate the Connectreach and bring your T1 directly into *. You just need to find out what channels on the T1 are used for voice, and which are used for data. Using a T400 or TE405, you can cross connect the data channels out to another T1 to go into your router. TWTC has examined the T100P and informed me that it's impossible, since their IBL uses proprietary formatting and signalling. Also, I ought to be able to use the data channels directly, according to Digium, since my proposed Asterisk box is also our router. If they are lying to me (which I doubt...they have a vested interest in using a proprietary method), then as for finding out which channels are used for what is as simple as trial-and-error and a cell phone. ;) (and of course, the $400 or so to pick up a T100P to try it out...) I am guessing first four are voice and next 12 are data. Thanks! Greg ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Lucent Phones
Does Asterisk work with Lucent or any other PBX phone systems ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Lucent Phones
Title: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Lucent Phones Absolutely, it can be a little tricky but its definitely doable. Check out the info I wrote on the wiki, as well as peoples posts here for more information on hows its done. Matt -Original Message- From: James Moran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 1:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Lucent Phones Does Asterisk work with Lucent or any other PBX phone systems ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Lucent Phones
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Lucent Phones Does Asterisk work with Lucent or any other PBX phone systems Sure. You can use Asterisk as a VoIP gateway to your existing legacy PBX. You can't plug Lucent's (Avaya's) DCP, MLX, or ATL phone sets into an Asterisk box -- the protocols are all proprietary. But you can certainly connect between the systems using analog or T1/Ei connections. Regards, Steve Steven Sokol Owner/Manager Sokol Associates, LLC Phone: 816.822.1807 IaxTel: 700.613.9004 Web:http://www.sokol-associates.com ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Lucent Phones
What about the Partner phones and TDM400? You can't plug Lucent's (Avaya's) DCP, MLX, or ATL phone sets into an Asterisk box -- the protocols are all proprietary. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Lucent Phones
Any phone you can plug into a regular POTS PSTN line from your Telco should work with the TDM400. Don't expect the fancy function buttons to work, however. On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 14:49, Gregory Junker wrote: What about the Partner phones and TDM400? You can't plug Lucent's (Avaya's) DCP, MLX, or ATL phone sets into an Asterisk box -- the protocols are all proprietary. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Eric Wieling * BTEL Consulting * 504-899-1387 x2111 In a related story, the IRS has recently ruled that the cost of Windows upgrades can NOT be deducted as a gambling loss. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Lucent Phones
This may be a little to far into PBX land but... Anyone know of a place where there are good examples of how to configure the Definity PBX stations with PRI? I currently have a T1 between a Definity and Asterisk. It is currently doing robbed-bit signalling but I would like to do PRI. I can get the PRI up and working signalling wise but to actually route calls from the PBX to Asterisk is another story. More specifically I am trying to figure out how to do this: PSTN-PBX-Asterisk-IP Phone I need to get an extension on the PBX to leave out the T1 to the Asterisk box. Thanks, Steve Matthew Branton wrote: Absolutely, it can be a little tricky but its definitely doable. Check out the info I wrote on the wiki, as well as peoples posts here for more information on hows its done. Matt -Original Message- From: James Moran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 1:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Lucent Phones Does Asterisk work with Lucent or any other PBX phone systems ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Lucent Phones
Also, check out www.citel.com This company claims to have SIP adaptors for Avaya's digital PBX phones. If they work as advertised, you can keep your Avaya/Lucent phones, throw out your legacy PBX, and connect them all to Asterisk! However, I doubt they have all the display integration working correctly. Anyone know for sure? Ron Dutt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steven Sokol Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 1:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Lucent Phones -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Lucent Phones Does Asterisk work with Lucent or any other PBX phone systems Sure. You can use Asterisk as a VoIP gateway to your existing legacy PBX. You can't plug Lucent's (Avaya's) DCP, MLX, or ATL phone sets into an Asterisk box -- the protocols are all proprietary. But you can certainly connect between the systems using analog or T1/Ei connections. Regards, Steve Steven Sokol Owner/Manager Sokol Associates, LLC Phone: 816.822.1807 IaxTel: 700.613.9004 Web:http://www.sokol-associates.com ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Lucent Phones
On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 15:44 -0500, Eric Wieling wrote: Don't expect the fancy function buttons to work, however. That's specifically what I was asking about... Has anyone tried to decipher the ETR signaling protocol? Or is it such a closely guarded Lucent/Avaya secret as to make the formula for Coca-Cola look like an open-source recipe? Greg ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Lucent Phones
On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 15:44 -0500, Eric Wieling wrote: Don't expect the fancy function buttons to work, however. That's specifically what I was asking about... Has anyone tried to decipher the ETR signaling protocol? Or is it such a closely guarded Lucent/Avaya secret as to make the formula for Coca-Cola look like an open-source recipe? ETR (Enhanced Tip/Ring) supposedly uses some variety of serial protocol over two lines to provide the screen functionality. The voice channel is still POTS. These phones are sold with the Partner system and can be added to the Magix systems using an ETR blade. Here in the states we could be jailed for trying to reverse engineer the serial display protocol (at least, in theory -- I don't know if it's been tested yet) as a violation of the evil DCMA. Anybody know about the other core Avaya protocols: specifically DCP and its cousin TDL. DCP (Digital Communications Protocol) has been used for years on the Definity line. Somewhere in the mid 1990s they cut it from 4 wires to two wires. The two wire version was ported to the Merlin Magix platform and is called TDL which I have been told means Two wire DigitaL?? If you have a large investment in the Avaya sets, it might be nice to have a bridge device to convert to SIP or H323 or whatever. I saw somebody at VON who offered a device that they claimed did just that. Don't remember who just now. Regs, -S ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Lucent Phones
Right, I know that the voice part is POTS because I have a standard cordless phone plugged into our Partner system. Hmm, wouldn't ETR be covered under a patent and not a copyright? And has 17 years been up yet? And if someone is selling devices that convert to/from ETR, then the protocol spec is available in some form (even if it's some draconian Avaya licensing scheme). I agree that Avaya has a vested interest in keeping the spec out of the public eye (sell phone upgrades, sell Merlin adapter modules), but this technology is definitely getting long in the toothwhich doesn't mean that my users exactly want to give up the familiarity of the Partner phones just yet. ;) And since I already have Partner phones, and don't really care to spend $200-$300 a pop to replace them with Snom or Cisco phones (good as they may be)... My goal is to get rid of that box on my wall. I already got rid of one (Cisco 1720 that was our router, replaced by a Linux server/router), now I have two to go (Lucent ConnectReach for our Time Warner Telecom IBL, and the Partner ACS phone system). Hell, Lucent Technologies ought to pay me rent for the amount of space they occupy on my walls. [rant=on] It is completely obnoxious to me that I have to take an incoming channelized T1 and have it broken out into physical copper wire so that I can insert it into my Partner system for voice. If I had then to take that copper, spend beaucoup more bucks to be able to put it back INTO digital form so that it can work with an Asterisk PBX...that's borderline surreal to me. Everyone is so vested in making sure that none of their damned equipment interoperates with anyone else's (yet all the while paying serious lip service to the holy grail of standards) that I am to the point where DCMA be damned, if I can measure it I can figure it out. It pisses me off no end that TWTC can't simply send a normal T1 into my business (and therefore allow me to use a simple T100P), and I'll bet that when they start offering VoIP in this area (SW Ohio) it'll also involve some absurd piece of proprietary equipment further to clutter up my wall or rack. [rant=off] At any rate, yes, I could pick up a TDM400 and have Asterisk act like Partner ACS analog extensions, or pick up 3 X100's and use it directly for the incoming lines (and then deal with the user fallout regarding adaptation to X-Lite or something similar), but I just can't bring myself to do it, honestly. Ultimately, I want those boxes off my wall because technologically, they do not need to be there. Guess I'm stuck with finding 7960's on eBay as cheap as I can. *sigh* Anyone want an outmoded Partner ACS R1.0 analog phone system? ;) Greg On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 17:46 -0500, Steven Sokol wrote: On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 15:44 -0500, Eric Wieling wrote: Don't expect the fancy function buttons to work, however. That's specifically what I was asking about... Has anyone tried to decipher the ETR signaling protocol? Or is it such a closely guarded Lucent/Avaya secret as to make the formula for Coca-Cola look like an open-source recipe? ETR (Enhanced Tip/Ring) supposedly uses some variety of serial protocol over two lines to provide the screen functionality. The voice channel is still POTS. These phones are sold with the Partner system and can be added to the Magix systems using an ETR blade. Here in the states we could be jailed for trying to reverse engineer the serial display protocol (at least, in theory -- I don't know if it's been tested yet) as a violation of the evil DCMA. Anybody know about the other core Avaya protocols: specifically DCP and its cousin TDL. DCP (Digital Communications Protocol) has been used for years on the Definity line. Somewhere in the mid 1990s they cut it from 4 wires to two wires. The two wire version was ported to the Merlin Magix platform and is called TDL which I have been told means Two wire DigitaL?? If you have a large investment in the Avaya sets, it might be nice to have a bridge device to convert to SIP or H323 or whatever. I saw somebody at VON who offered a device that they claimed did just that. Don't remember who just now. Regs, -S ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
