RE: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philipp von Klitzing Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 10:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth - asterisk-users: VoIP and Asterisk in general (including newbies) - asterisk-tdm: Use if part of your problem/question involves T1/TDM - asterisk-biz: new topics, not yet really covered on -users Effects: - newbies only need to subscribe and read a lower volume -users - all readers have the same amount of traffic, but get some nice filtering help at least Reasonable, but may need some serious topic policing at first (requiring multiple list admins per list), again due to the fact that people often will not know where their problem lies. Also, just as an example.the VoIP list would have discussions on it like the recent calling card appwell, that doesn't sounds newbieish at all. Has anyone actually taken the time to do a message/category classification and breakdown to see if the proposed split even makes sense? Would we end up with 10 messages a day in -biz, 25 or so in -tdm and 100 in -users? As Robert pointed out LISTSERV has some nice topic features that could help, however the license ist costly (we have two LISTSERVs running). Let me add, though, that besides topic management LISTSERV can also provide super lists that are great to fight cross-postings - super lists group one or more normal lists or super lists. My guess is that there are other MLMs out there that have similar features. LISTSERV is evil, and yes, there are (listserv is evil mostly because of the abhorrent cost of something that is available via open source/free alternatives and a couple of perl/awk/sed scripts). Daryl G. Jurbala BMPC Network Operations Tel: +1 215 825 8401 x235 Fax: +1 508 526 8500 INOC-DBA: 26412*DGJ PGP Key: http://www.introspect.net/pgp ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
everything is free or the cost of shipping if you think... dont worry, newbs will land at my forums but i still wanna know if i can cut and paste FAQs and the like. I plan on it so sue me, rofl. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 10:55 AM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philipp von Klitzing Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 10:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth - asterisk-users: VoIP and Asterisk in general (including newbies) - asterisk-tdm: Use if part of your problem/question involves T1/TDM - asterisk-biz: new topics, not yet really covered on -users Effects: - newbies only need to subscribe and read a lower volume -users - all readers have the same amount of traffic, but get some nice filtering help at least Reasonable, but may need some serious topic policing at first (requiring multiple list admins per list), again due to the fact that people often will not know where their problem lies. Also, just as an example.the VoIP list would have discussions on it like the recent calling card appwell, that doesn't sounds newbieish at all. Has anyone actually taken the time to do a message/category classification and breakdown to see if the proposed split even makes sense? Would we end up with 10 messages a day in -biz, 25 or so in -tdm and 100 in -users? As Robert pointed out LISTSERV has some nice topic features that could help, however the license ist costly (we have two LISTSERVs running). Let me add, though, that besides topic management LISTSERV can also provide super lists that are great to fight cross-postings - super lists group one or more normal lists or super lists. My guess is that there are other MLMs out there that have similar features. LISTSERV is evil, and yes, there are (listserv is evil mostly because of the abhorrent cost of something that is available via open source/free alternatives and a couple of perl/awk/sed scripts). Daryl G. Jurbala BMPC Network Operations Tel: +1 215 825 8401 x235 Fax: +1 508 526 8500 INOC-DBA: 26412*DGJ PGP Key: http://www.introspect.net/pgp ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
Hi, -Original Message- Just a suggestion, Could Digium make lists.digium.com accessible like a news server (NNTP) somehow ? Links between mail and usenet have been around for ages, but it's a tricky business. Its very easy to loose threading information and the likes. Additionally, a friend of mine has built the glue between Usenet (innd) and Phorum and phpBB. It's ugly but it can be done. If you desire it. As a long-time member of these mailinglists, I don't believe the community at large currently desires (yet another) webforum, and will continue to use the e-mail version, or maybe (but I'm not sure about that, because most archiving tools get lost in the process) NNTP. We're a text-based kinda crowd I guess :-) Florian ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
Hi! I still think we need something more fine grained. I think we can add the asterisk-biz list, and eventually something akin to a newbie list, but need a more appropriate name, IMHO. As discussed before that newbie is very likely to not work out; but here's a practical suggestion: Split asterisk-users into by introducing a higher-level implementation list that deals specifically with channelbanks T1 issues (=larger installations). VoIP will remain on asterisk-users. That way newbies can stick to asterisk-users without the added traffic of asterisk-t1 (just a suggestion for a list name), whereas more experienced users still subscribe to both lists, but at least get a nice filter mechanism helping to decide what to read first. Cheers, Philipp ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
What about splitting asterisk-users in 2 groups asterisk-tdm and asterisk-voip -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] nombre de Philipp von Klitzing Enviado el: Viernes 9 de Enero del 2004 08:52 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth Hi! I still think we need something more fine grained. I think we can add the asterisk-biz list, and eventually something akin to a newbie list, but need a more appropriate name, IMHO. As discussed before that newbie is very likely to not work out; but here's a practical suggestion: Split asterisk-users into by introducing a higher-level implementation list that deals specifically with channelbanks T1 issues (=larger installations). VoIP will remain on asterisk-users. That way newbies can stick to asterisk-users without the added traffic of asterisk-t1 (just a suggestion for a list name), whereas more experienced users still subscribe to both lists, but at least get a nice filter mechanism helping to decide what to read first. Cheers, Philipp ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
SV: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
Hi Isn't this exactly what we _don't_ wanna do?! =) I suppose TDM and VoIP is supposed to interconnect not to be separated. i think it's nice with a busy list, it means some real hot stuff is happening, and that's good! rgds /staffan -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Luciano Ramos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skickat: den 9 januari 2004 14:12 Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ämne: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth What about splitting asterisk-users in 2 groups asterisk-tdm and asterisk-voip -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] nombre de Philipp von Klitzing Enviado el: Viernes 9 de Enero del 2004 08:52 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth Hi! I still think we need something more fine grained. I think we can add the asterisk-biz list, and eventually something akin to a newbie list, but need a more appropriate name, IMHO. As discussed before that newbie is very likely to not work out; but here's a practical suggestion: Split asterisk-users into by introducing a higher-level implementation list that deals specifically with channelbanks T1 issues (=larger installations). VoIP will remain on asterisk-users. That way newbies can stick to asterisk-users without the added traffic of asterisk-t1 (just a suggestion for a list name), whereas more experienced users still subscribe to both lists, but at least get a nice filter mechanism helping to decide what to read first. Cheers, Philipp ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
At 12:49 AM -0600 1/9/04, Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Friday 09 January 2004 00:15, Mark Spencer wrote: I still think we need something more fine grained. I think we can add the asterisk-biz list, and eventually something akin to a newbie list, but need a more appropriate name, IMHO. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd also be inclined to have asterisk-advocacy, where flames, criticism, administrivia, and other things like that belong. There could even be asterisk-nondigiumhardware, although that's a little long. Perhaps someone has a better name for this? Also, given how people seem to like crossposting announcements of new products and packages to multiple lists, perhaps asterisk-announcements could be opened up for anybody who wishes to post. That would get rid of a large amount of redundant posts. -Tilghman I am not of any particular opinion on how a more introductory list should be formed; others may debate that. My only request is that a -biz list be created, as that is an easily-defined message zone. I would propose it's charter be: - any discussions about consultant availability - any discussions about specific hardware vendors or VARs not related to the equipment (i.e.: costs, phone numbers, availability lists, etc.) - any discussions about telephony service providers, including specific configurations - any discussions about any of the preceeding items as far as gripes, compliments, or rumors - posts about interesting items on eBay or other bargain sites One of the very nice things about Asterisk is that it can take so many different types of hardware and services. Discussions about specific places to transact business do not belong on the main list, as that typically devolves into back-and-forth chatter or gets the typical cc: reply from some vendor who wants to plaster their name onto the list. There needs to be a concentrated place that we can look for resources in the hardware/consultant/provider segments of the community; I'd suggest that the -biz list would serve that purpose. It's easily segmented, clearly defined, and the creation of such a blatantly commercial list would perhaps encourage more vendors to actually post the availability of their hardware (and prices!) in one place so that we Asterisk admins wouldn't have to rely on word-of-mouth to find vendors for certain pieces of gear or do day-long searches for specific pricing information. JT ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 18:42, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: Forums with no threading, no useful search, blasted animated emoticons and needless graphics and cutesy little doo-dads are the bane of the Internet. I wish that PHPBB style interfaces would drop off the face of the planet, and that their inventors were drawn and quartered. Let's not forget no ability to do any filtering on messages. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
What about something like http://www.asterisk.bz Philipp von Klitzing wrote: Hi! I still think we need something more fine grained. I think we can add the asterisk-biz list, and eventually something akin to a newbie list, but need a more appropriate name, IMHO. As discussed before that newbie is very likely to not work out; but here's a practical suggestion: Split asterisk-users into by introducing a higher-level implementation list that deals specifically with channelbanks T1 issues (=larger installations). VoIP will remain on asterisk-users. That way newbies can stick to asterisk-users without the added traffic of asterisk-t1 (just a suggestion for a list name), whereas more experienced users still subscribe to both lists, but at least get a nice filter mechanism helping to decide what to read first. Cheers, Philipp ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
Mark Spencer wrote: I still think we need something more fine grained. I think we can add the asterisk-biz list, and eventually something akin to a newbie list, but need a more appropriate name, IMHO. like an asterisk-virgin * for the very first time Now lets see how long it will take you to get that tune out of your head. -- Bob Knight [-w] the work option [EMAIL PROTECTED] 925-449-9163 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philipp von Klitzing Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 6:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth [...] higher-level implementation list that deals specifically with channelbanks T1 issues (=larger installations). VoIP will remain on asterisk-users. [...] That doesn't quite sound right. Maybe it is from your perspective, but are you telling me that the NOCs with 80+ 7960's running VoIP don't count as a large installation? Of course, the term large is also relative. A 4-port T1 card on its owneven 2 or 3 of them, could never by any stretch of my imagination be considered a large installation..but I deal with (among other things) Definity's that service near entire buildings in mid-town Manhattan with multiple DS3sso it's all relative. The problem with splitting VoIP and T1/TDM/whatever you want to call it is that the crossover is huge, and where the problems lie often aren't clear to those looking for help. Daryl G. Jurbala BMPC Network Operations Tel: +1 215 825 8401 x235 Fax: +1 508 526 8500 INOC-DBA: 26412*DGJ PGP Key: http://www.introspect.net/pgp ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
We appreciate the efforts, but I think the majority of the folks here would like to see the discussions kept centralized on the Digium mailing lists unless it becomes completely intolerable (which we're not near yet.) JT At 10:41 AM -0700 1/9/04, David Burr wrote: What about something like http://www.asterisk.bz Philipp von Klitzing wrote: Hi! I still think we need something more fine grained. I think we can add the asterisk-biz list, and eventually something akin to a newbie list, but need a more appropriate name, IMHO. As discussed before that newbie is very likely to not work out; but here's a practical suggestion: Split asterisk-users into by introducing a higher-level implementation list that deals specifically with channelbanks T1 issues (=larger installations). VoIP will remain on asterisk-users. That way newbies can stick to asterisk-users without the added traffic of asterisk-t1 (just a suggestion for a list name), whereas more experienced users still subscribe to both lists, but at least get a nice filter mechanism helping to decide what to read first. Cheers, Philipp ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
So far in January, we've had 726 messages on -users. December 2003: 2.978 messages November 2003: 3.410 messages October 2003: 3.177 messages December 2002: 741 messages December 2001: 67 messages ...the project is growing. /Olle ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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I joined the ML on july 12 2002, and my Evolution Folder has 20486 msg on Asterisk-Users, 2149 on Asterisk-dev and 182 on Asterisk-doc :) keep up the good work! matteo. Il gio, 2004-01-08 alle 09:48, Olle E. Johansson ha scritto: So far in January, we've had 726 messages on -users. December 2003: 2.978 messages November 2003: 3.410 messages October 2003: 3.177 messages December 2002: 741 messages December 2001: 67 messages ...the project is growing. /Olle ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Matteo Brancaleoni Espia System Administrator Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.espia.it Phone : +39 02 70633354 - ext 201 IAX(2): [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ext 201 Iaxtel: 1-700-56-62458 - ext 201 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
28863 messages here from all asterisk mailing lists from 28.05.2002 :) Lubo Matteo Brancaleoni wrote: I joined the ML on july 12 2002, and my Evolution Folder has 20486 msg on Asterisk-Users, 2149 on Asterisk-dev and 182 on Asterisk-doc :) keep up the good work! matteo. Il gio, 2004-01-08 alle 09:48, Olle E. Johansson ha scritto: So far in January, we've had 726 messages on -users. December 2003: 2.978 messages November 2003: 3.410 messages October 2003: 3.177 messages December 2002: 741 messages December 2001: 67 messages ...the project is growing. /Olle ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
Well, mailing list growth is not only a good thing. It's getting almost impossible to handle. As I've stated before, we need to change Asterisk.org so we can help people in a better way and avoid a lot of the repeating questions on the mailing list. There's a lot of people unsubscribing, just because of the amount of messages. Asterisk.org needs an FAQ, more documentation on line and ... I've offered to help in this, with no reply so far. I think it's getting urgent. And this is the end of yet another message from a dark and snowy Sweden ;-) /Olle ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
At 11:25 8/01/04 +0100, you wrote: Well, mailing list growth is not only a good thing. It's getting almost impossible to handle. As I've stated before, we need to change Asterisk.org so we can help people in a better way and avoid a lot of the repeating questions on the mailing list. There's a lot of people unsubscribing, just because of the amount of messages. Asterisk.org needs an FAQ, more documentation on line and ... I've offered to help in this, with no reply so far. I think it's getting urgent. And this is the end of yet another message from a dark and snowy Sweden ;-) /Olle Olle, It's pretty dark here we had sunset here about an hour ago. It was 38C today. From Australia, Peter ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
--On Thursday, January 8, 2004 11:25 am +0100 Olle E. Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, mailing list growth is not only a good thing. It's getting almost impossible to handle. As I've stated before, we need to change Asterisk.org so we can help people in a better way and avoid a lot of the repeating questions on the mailing list. There's a lot of people unsubscribing, just because of the amount of messages. Asterisk.org needs an FAQ, more documentation on line and ... I think people tend to migrate to the list that seems the most active and post any question to it - on the basis that it has the greatest number of eyeballs hovering over it hence increasing the probability of a rapid response. Not much you can do about that. Asterisk, or more correctly, Digium has hardware as well as software components. So the list has a mix of hardware support issues as well as software support issues - I think that adds a lot to the volume. For me, the wiki has proved to be invaluable as I've experimented with AGI and the manager interface (I must add some comments to it on this .). However, it really does need to be complemented by better documentation so that it's easier to understand exactly how some of the advanced features are used. My usual error is to misunderstand how some feature of * responds because the documentation is ambiguous ... then I plunge into the code and waste a lot of time figuring out what is actually happening. From wet and windy Southern England, Iain ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
Anyone know how many people now subscribe to the asterisk-users mail list? Yes, the number of new posts is getting overwhelming! This morning at 8am California time I had something like 75 new posts, and just cleaned it out the evening before! I will have to start getting up earlier I guess... Regards Scott Stingel Scott M. Stingel Emerging Voice Technology Inc. Email: scott at evtmedia.com Web:www.evtmedia.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Olle E. Johansson Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth Well, mailing list growth is not only a good thing. It's getting almost impossible to handle. As I've stated before, we need to change Asterisk.org so we can help people in a better way and avoid a lot of the repeating questions on the mailing list. There's a lot of people unsubscribing, just because of the amount of messages. Asterisk.org needs an FAQ, more documentation on line and ... I've offered to help in this, with no reply so far. I think it's getting urgent. And this is the end of yet another message from a dark and snowy Sweden ;-) /Olle ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
I agree with Peter's comments. There is so much traffic here I don't know how anyone keeps up. As someone that just went into production on a system, I can say the list archives are more of a manual than the manual, which is a shame because I think it is limiting the growth of the system by making things harder than it needs to be. -- Jonathan Moore Director of Technology Winfield Public Schools Office 620.221.5100 Fax 620.221.0508 Quoting Peter Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]: At 11:25 8/01/04 +0100, you wrote: Well, mailing list growth is not only a good thing. It's getting almost impossible to handle. As I've stated before, we need to change Asterisk.org so we can help people in a better way and avoid a lot of the repeating questions on the mailing list. There's a lot of people unsubscribing, just because of the amount of messages. Asterisk.org needs an FAQ, more documentation on line and ... I've offered to help in this, with no reply so far. I think it's getting urgent. And this is the end of yet another message from a dark and snowy Sweden ;-) /Olle Olle, It's pretty dark here we had sunset here about an hour ago. It was 38C today. From Australia, Peter ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Visit Winfield Public Schools at http://usd465.com - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 10:53, Scott Stingel wrote: Anyone know how many people now subscribe to the asterisk-users mail list? Yes, the number of new posts is getting overwhelming! This morning at 8am California time I had something like 75 new posts, and just cleaned it out the evening before! I will have to start getting up earlier I guess... My addiction to email has caused me now to start waking up in the middle of the night to try and clear my backlog up. I think this AM at 4 I had 60 messages from asterisk. Then I went to sleep and woke up to another 20 or 30. This list sure cuts into my ability to keep up with some of my other lists. Some of them I have finally just unsubbed from to quite wasting bandwidth. But to give you an idea of my email load, I have received ~22k messages in 2 months and not even 2 full days. Also I only receive about 10 spams a week average right now. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
You think you have problems? Try getting addicted to IRC! :) Panny - Original Message - From: Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 5:43 PM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 10:53, Scott Stingel wrote: Anyone know how many people now subscribe to the asterisk-users mail list? Yes, the number of new posts is getting overwhelming! This morning at 8am California time I had something like 75 new posts, and just cleaned it out the evening before! I will have to start getting up earlier I guess... My addiction to email has caused me now to start waking up in the middle of the night to try and clear my backlog up. I think this AM at 4 I had 60 messages from asterisk. Then I went to sleep and woke up to another 20 or 30. This list sure cuts into my ability to keep up with some of my other lists. Some of them I have finally just unsubbed from to quite wasting bandwidth. But to give you an idea of my email load, I have received ~22k messages in 2 months and not even 2 full days. Also I only receive about 10 spams a week average right now. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 12:54, Panny Malialis wrote: You think you have problems? Try getting addicted to IRC! :) Thats the one crack pipe I have tried to avoid since a former room mate and I had a BYOC party where most all interaction ended up on IRC. Between the jukebox being web enabled and all of us hanging off of a cable modem, all interaction was basically picking music and talking on our IRC channel. I think at the time I had 2 computers in my bedroom( 1 for me and 1 for my girlfriend), a machine with wireless keyboard on the TV, a VT220 next to the recliner, my room mate had his machine in his bedroom, and I think there was 2 or 3 other machines scattered between the dining room and the living room. This was also about mid 1997 or so. Been there done that, been clean from that crack pipe for a couple of years now. I now am able to get in get my questions answered and get out before the addiction sets in. - Original Message - From: Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 5:43 PM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 10:53, Scott Stingel wrote: Anyone know how many people now subscribe to the asterisk-users mail list? Yes, the number of new posts is getting overwhelming! This morning at 8am California time I had something like 75 new posts, and just cleaned it out the evening before! I will have to start getting up earlier I guess... My addiction to email has caused me now to start waking up in the middle of the night to try and clear my backlog up. I think this AM at 4 I had 60 messages from asterisk. Then I went to sleep and woke up to another 20 or 30. This list sure cuts into my ability to keep up with some of my other lists. Some of them I have finally just unsubbed from to quite wasting bandwidth. But to give you an idea of my email load, I have received ~22k messages in 2 months and not even 2 full days. Also I only receive about 10 spams a week average right now. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
Would a Forum/Bulletin Board type interface be useful? If there is no such forum yet, I can set on up. ... ling Iain Stevenson wrote: --On Thursday, January 8, 2004 11:25 am +0100 Olle E. Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, mailing list growth is not only a good thing. It's getting almost impossible to handle. As I've stated before, we need to change Asterisk.org so we can help people in a better way and avoid a lot of the repeating questions on the mailing list. There's a lot of people unsubscribing, just because of the amount of messages. Asterisk.org needs an FAQ, more documentation on line and ... I think people tend to migrate to the list that seems the most active and post any question to it - on the basis that it has the greatest number of eyeballs hovering over it hence increasing the probability of a rapid response. Not much you can do about that. Asterisk, or more correctly, Digium has hardware as well as software components. So the list has a mix of hardware support issues as well as software support issues - I think that adds a lot to the volume. For me, the wiki has proved to be invaluable as I've experimented with AGI and the manager interface (I must add some comments to it on this .). However, it really does need to be complemented by better documentation so that it's easier to understand exactly how some of the advanced features are used. My usual error is to misunderstand how some feature of * responds because the documentation is ambiguous ... then I plunge into the code and waste a lot of time figuring out what is actually happening. From wet and windy Southern England, Iain ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
It is small. I reading it justr for prelude to the kernel mailing list :) Scott Stingel wrote: Anyone know how many people now subscribe to the asterisk-users mail list? Yes, the number of new posts is getting overwhelming! This morning at 8am California time I had something like 75 new posts, and just cleaned it out the evening before! I will have to start getting up earlier I guess... Regards Scott Stingel Scott M. Stingel Emerging Voice Technology Inc. Email: scott at evtmedia.com Web:www.evtmedia.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Olle E. Johansson Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth Well, mailing list growth is not only a good thing. It's getting almost impossible to handle. As I've stated before, we need to change Asterisk.org so we can help people in a better way and avoid a lot of the repeating questions on the mailing list. There's a lot of people unsubscribing, just because of the amount of messages. Asterisk.org needs an FAQ, more documentation on line and ... I've offered to help in this, with no reply so far. I think it's getting urgent. And this is the end of yet another message from a dark and snowy Sweden ;-) /Olle ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
Would a Forum/Bulletin Board type interface be useful? If there is no such forum yet, I can set on up. NOO!! Jesus H Christ on a Stick, NO! Forums with no threading, no useful search, blasted animated emoticons and needless graphics and cutesy little doo-dads are the bane of the Internet. I wish that PHPBB style interfaces would drop off the face of the planet, and that their inventors were drawn and quartered. Wikis are bad enough; let's not dumb-ify the good technical discussion here by trying to stuff it into some cutesy interface so Grandma isn't put off by the sheer volume of text. Every single attempt I've seen at unifying mailing lists and forums has failed. You end up with all the tech gurus on the list and all the people needing help on the forums. The gurus are happy because hardly anyone bugs them, but the people who need help are put off because nobody beyond a mild technical bent is helping them. Please let's not even visit the idea of web-based forums. Blech. What a nasty flavour! Regards, Andrew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 16:53, Ling C. Ho wrote: Would a Forum/Bulletin Board type interface be useful? If there is no such forum yet, I can set on up. Absolutely not. Forum and BBS type interfaces are not a take it with you application. I can take my mail with me anytime I want to, I can't take someone else's web site. There is only 2 places where I even will put up with a forum, and it is because it is the only option at the moment. Many of us will not participate in a forum. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
- Original Message - From: Andrew Kohlsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth Would a Forum/Bulletin Board type interface be useful? If there is no such forum yet, I can set on up. NOO!! See: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2003-September/thread.html then hit find and search for forum. it was discussed at length during september. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
Just a suggestion, Could Digium make lists.digium.com accessible like a news server (NNTP) somehow ? Thanks Panny Malialis Hotlinks Internet Services ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
I still think we need something more fine grained. I think we can add the asterisk-biz list, and eventually something akin to a newbie list, but need a more appropriate name, IMHO. Mark On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Panny Malialis wrote: Just a suggestion, Could Digium make lists.digium.com accessible like a news server (NNTP) somehow ? Thanks Panny Malialis Hotlinks Internet Services ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
I have my doubts about breaking the list... Another day, for ex., I posted a mail in asterisk-devel and I didn't get no answer. Some days after, I posted the same mail in the main list... and bm! I got my reply. I still think we need something more fine grained. I think we can add the asterisk-biz list, and eventually something akin to a newbie list, but need a more appropriate name, IMHO. Mark On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Panny Malialis wrote: Just a suggestion, Could Digium make lists.digium.com accessible like a news server (NNTP) somehow ? Thanks Panny Malialis Hotlinks Internet Services ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
On Friday 09 January 2004 00:15, Mark Spencer wrote: I still think we need something more fine grained. I think we can add the asterisk-biz list, and eventually something akin to a newbie list, but need a more appropriate name, IMHO. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd also be inclined to have asterisk-advocacy, where flames, criticism, administrivia, and other things like that belong. There could even be asterisk-nondigiumhardware, although that's a little long. Perhaps someone has a better name for this? Also, given how people seem to like crossposting announcements of new products and packages to multiple lists, perhaps asterisk-announcements could be opened up for anybody who wishes to post. That would get rid of a large amount of redundant posts. -Tilghman ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth
Couldnt agree more with the online docos wish I could help, maybe soon! Certainly would reduce the number of basic config questions (coming from myself - I would rather read docos than annoy people!) From sunny Oz. Chris -Original Message- From: Olle E. Johansson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 8 January 2004 9:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Mailing list growth Well, mailing list growth is not only a good thing. It's getting almost impossible to handle. As I've stated before, we need to change Asterisk.org so we can help people in a better way and avoid a lot of the repeating questions on the mailing list. There's a lot of people unsubscribing, just because of the amount of messages. Asterisk.org needs an FAQ, more documentation on line and ... I've offered to help in this, with no reply so far. I think it's getting urgent. And this is the end of yet another message from a dark and snowy Sweden ;-) /Olle ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
