RE: [Asterisk-Users] OT (kinda): Justification for adding Asteriskto the business plan

2005-07-15 Thread /dev/null
 
 The fact that Asterisk is soft and you're trying to sell to 
 an IT Company..
 

Just to clarify, we make up the IT company and we'd be selling it to our
customers that may or may not be IT based.  The company does run VoIP but
does not use Asterisk (using VoIP to add additional local lines in different
area codes).

What I'm trying to accomplish is a convo/thread of why IT consultancies
should take on Asterisk in their normal support (or a value-add service).
When I look at VoIP, I see nothing different between setting up and
configuring perl scripts for AGI/* Manager interfaces (system admin
scripting) to plugging the BRI into a Digium card from the old T1 router.
Granted there are some differences in command configurations and might have
to label a wire or two Voice instead of Data but nothing earth
shattering.

As for sales, it would be just adding new listings under Telephones in the
yellow pages and adding a few words to brochures/web pages.

-Don

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] OT (kinda): Justification for adding Asteriskto the business plan

2005-07-15 Thread Randy Williams

Greetings,

I would encourage you to consider this item VERY carefully as customers 
could get very irritated with Asterisk very quickly.  For some context, 
we just finished a 3 month rollout of Asterisk across 40 handsets and 
three remote locations.  While it works now, it was by far the worst 
project I've been a part of.


Even with excellent technical support (The Voip Connection) there simply 
are issues in the Asterisk world that customers are not ready for.  The 
old lock-in model of the telecom world was nasty and monopolistic and 
expensive, but by jove it just worked.  The PSTN is required by law to 
have 5 9's worth of uptime.  What communications technology can you 
point to that has that level of uptime?


If you do not have developers on staff that have; years of experience in 
the telecom world, years of experience with Linux, years of networking 
experience and months of SIP phone experience at their disposal than I 
would encourage you to not offer this service to your customers.  
Because as you've seen from this list ANYTHING and EVERYTHING can, and 
does, go wrong with this technology.


Now that being said, in 5 years, everyone will be doing this, but that 
is 5 years from now.


If I had been given any other choice, and I wasn't, I would have chucked 
Asterisk and paid 3x the price for a Semens/Nortel IP switch in a 
heartbeat.  It would have saved me hours of endless hassles, dozens of 
lost important phone calls, hours of downtime and weeks of nearly rapid 
frustration from my users.  Yes, it was that bad.


However, now that its here, and relatively stable, it works like no 
other telecom technology I've seen or worked near (I'm not that well 
versed on telecom though).


Just my $0.02.

RandyW

/dev/null wrote:

The fact that Asterisk is soft and you're trying to sell to 
an IT Company..


   



Just to clarify, we make up the IT company and we'd be selling it to our
customers that may or may not be IT based.  The company does run VoIP but
does not use Asterisk (using VoIP to add additional local lines in different
area codes).

What I'm trying to accomplish is a convo/thread of why IT consultancies
should take on Asterisk in their normal support (or a value-add service).
When I look at VoIP, I see nothing different between setting up and
configuring perl scripts for AGI/* Manager interfaces (system admin
scripting) to plugging the BRI into a Digium card from the old T1 router.
Granted there are some differences in command configurations and might have
to label a wire or two Voice instead of Data but nothing earth
shattering.

As for sales, it would be just adding new listings under Telephones in the
yellow pages and adding a few words to brochures/web pages.

-Don

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] OT (kinda): Justification for adding Asteriskto the business plan

2005-07-15 Thread William Lloyd

It's all about the testing before rollout.

The problem with the run of the mill IT guy (especially ones involved  
in web sites) they tend to think that testing something means you try  
a few calls and if it works it's all fine.


Testing isn;t beating into them in the same way it is in the telecom  
guys.


There are often unforeseen implications of changing the smallest  
little knob on the system.  Unless you are willing to really think  
about how to make the box fail and try the permutations and  
combinations the end user is always going to be unhappy.


At the end of the day for some incremental income you don;t want to  
take an otherwise happy customer and turn him into a nightmare in the  
search to add a little VOIP.


-bill

On 15-Jul-05, at 8:15 AM, /dev/null wrote:



The fact that Asterisk is soft and you're trying to sell to
an IT Company..




Just to clarify, we make up the IT company and we'd be selling it  
to our
customers that may or may not be IT based.  The company does run  
VoIP but
does not use Asterisk (using VoIP to add additional local lines in  
different

area codes).

What I'm trying to accomplish is a convo/thread of why IT  
consultancies
should take on Asterisk in their normal support (or a value-add  
service).

When I look at VoIP, I see nothing different between setting up and
configuring perl scripts for AGI/* Manager interfaces (system admin
scripting) to plugging the BRI into a Digium card from the old T1  
router.
Granted there are some differences in command configurations and  
might have

to label a wire or two Voice instead of Data but nothing earth
shattering.

As for sales, it would be just adding new listings under  
Telephones in the

yellow pages and adding a few words to brochures/web pages.

-Don

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