RE: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
cool. see, no need to fight anyone. you people are crazy. luf... On Wed, 20 Apr 2005, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: you did a great parody of him completly ignoring what I was saying and going off on something unrelated to what I say just to get MS bashing in. Gotta love people who disregard what is said thinking that it has to be all or nothing. You say that in some way a company did something that is good beyond themselves and all of a sudden people attack you for saying that everything the company did is great, which was never said. I wonder what makes people snap that way. Is it sheer stupidity and inability to read or do they live in a total fantasy land. Now to make this more asterisk, I will be releasing code within a week that is a better than festival TTS engine. Caching support, better than speek and spell v1.1 voice, infact the engine supports a few languages, male and female speakers and even US UK english dialects (as well as a couple dialects of spanish and a few other languages). On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 15:36 -0400, Race Vanderdecken wrote: Wow! What a great fight! Let me egg you guys on. Furthermore, (if you knew your history) MS had been doing funny things with DOS / and windows to make it difficult for other windowing systems and DOS clones to work with MS-DOS / Windows, further cementing their market dominance. As someone who worked under DOS. And by under I mean we loaded first, then loaded DOS on top of us so DOS would make the pre-NETBIOS world calls and file calls to us. And as one of the Original Windows 1.x, 2.x, 3.x, 95, 98, NT, Windows 2000, XP developers I can tell you some stories. Neither DOS nor MS ever did anything funny to trick anybody. The Code was just poor code. Unless you actually meet and worked with Aaron, one of the original MS DOS guys, you have a clue. Come on. Does anyone really think that a developer would try to cheat people? It was those business clowns who lied; not the developers. Why is it that the conspiracy guys are all lousy developers or spaceship probed Red Necks? Long live Linux! Screw Apple. I hope MS goes broke. Race the tyrannical ludite Vandedecken http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walt Reed Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 2:21 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 09:01:56AM -0700, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com said: On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 09:36 -0400, Walt Reed wrote: On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 06:24:09PM -0700, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com said: as a whole. I enjoy cheap computers, if it were not for microsoft creating windows, making computers easier to use for everyone, the mass production and highly competitive hardware market would not exist. If that didnt happen the $300 computer of today would likely not exist, and if it did it would cost more like computers did 20 years ago, $2000+ for a bare system. rantmode Um, that's total bullshit. Low computer prices and ease of use would have existed if MS was never around. You completely dismiss billions of man hours of hard work by those outside MS making advances in hardware and software around the world. To make a statement like that, you show a total lack of knowledge of the industry. and hoiw many operating systems were so popular during the 80s and early 90s? What operating system shipped on almost every computer during that period? BTW, in the 80's, it wasn't windows - it was DOS (I know, well before your time.) Again, nobody could really compete with the IBM / MS / compaq x86 platform dominance, so the ONLY real choice on that platform was Dos, although there were a few specialty OS's and extensions (OS/2, QNX, Desqview/X, etc.) I realize you wouldn't know about them, comming into the game rather late. It wasn't until Windows 3.1 in the early 90's that there was a relativly stable (if you could call it that) windowing system from MS (despite that other companies had been doing it for many years.) Bundling and restrictive contracts made it impossible to compete. Furthermore, (if you knew your history) MS had been doing funny things with DOS / and windows to make it difficult for other windowing systems and DOS clones to work with MS-DOS / Windows, further cementing their market dominance. I dont think I lack understanding of the industry I think that I remember clearly that windows was shipped on that, I think that whether or not it resulted in an anti-trust conviction microsoft did make it easier for people to use computers and thus more sold. Again, your lack of experience with and knowledge of other OS's shows otherwise. I am sorry that you are so bigioted to think that other operating systems dominated the market during that period, and cant accept that windows was the #1 operating system by a clear margin in terms of installed systems. Did I say
Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
stop wasting my bandwidth plz On Wed, 20 Apr 2005, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 22:14 -0500, Dan Perik wrote: Michael D Schelin wrote: Ok you guys enough. The debate will go on forever. Agreed! At the risk of wasting bandwidth myself Please, guys stop wasting my precious bandwidth. If you want to private message your flames, great but leave this list to Asterisk, please. Thanks! - Dan Interesting that so many people are coming out to say stop, even to reply to others saying stop and holding precious bandwidth up as the reason. I love your logic. To jump on the bandwagon stop waasting my bandwidth telling people to stop wasting your bandwidth. Its only fair. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
Henry Devito wrote:
I am already doing this with AGI, PERL, and PHP to set up the page
groups. I will release the code as open source if people are
interested. I'm not the best PERL scripter in the world but it works.
Attached is the agi I'm using. This is a modified script from a post on
voip-info. This works with our Cisco's that are setup like this: Line1
- XXX and Line2 -- XXX_i (for intercom).
The modifications from the stock script are paging to SIP/XXX_i (not
SIP/XXX), dynamic conferences based on original callerid, and playing
the beeps (Cisco just answers so this gives users a warning).
There is code to see if SIP/XXX is in use, and if so not to call
SIP/XXX_i, but the users wanted to see all pages so it is commented out.
Zones would be real easy with some arrays (as the conference is dynamic
based on the person calling) and the variables are there to check inuse,
etc.
extensions.conf:
[paging]
exten = *999,1,AGI(page.agi|${CALLERIDNUM})
exten = *999,2,Wait(1)
exten = *999,3,Playback(beep)
exten = *999,4,MeetMe(${CALLERIDNUM},dtqpA)
exten = *999,5,Hangup
[add-to-allcall]
exten = _X.,1,Playback(beep)
exten = _X.,2,MeetMe(${EXTEN},dmqpwx)
exten = _X.,3,Hangup
Really easy to modify. Have fun.
Again this could be cleaner, but I got that other script working and
haven't had the time or need to clean it up.
Jeb Campbell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
#!/usr/bin/perl
#
#
# allcall.agi will add all your Polycom sip phones to a meet me
# conference for use in office wide paging
#
# It takes arguments in the form of SIP/ where is your
# sip extension. (can be any number of digits) The first argument
# is the originating caller and additional arguments are any other
# phone lines you wish to exclude
#
use strict;
use File::Copy;
# A Few Variables to Set and Initialize
#
#
my $outgoing = '/var/spool/asterisk/outgoing';
my $temp = '/var/tmp';
my $asterisk = '/usr/sbin/asterisk';
my $audio_out= 'console/dsp';
my @bypass = ();
my @meetme_calls = ();
my @rawsips = ();
my @sips = ();
my @intercoms= ();
my $callerid = Error;
# Parse out the Sip phones to exclude
#
# This truly shows my lack of understanding of perl
#
foreach (@ARGV) {
@bypass = split ( / /, $_ );
}
# This is our originating caller. I need his
# callerid so that others will know who the paging
# pest is:
#
$callerid = $bypass[0];
$callerid =~ s-SIP/--g;
# Setup an array with all the sip phones
#
# I think I could use the Asterisk::AGI here
# and also the incominglimit in sip.conf to accomplish
# this, but I'm not that good.
@rawsips = `$asterisk -rx sip show inuse`;
chomp(@rawsips);
shift (@rawsips);
shift (@rawsips);
@rawsips = sort (@rawsips);
#Jeb
# split to sips and intercoms
@sips = grep ( /^\d{3,4} / , @rawsips );
@intercoms = grep ( /^\d{3,4}_i / , @rawsips );
# Now check each sip phone to see if it's in use and also
# against our exclude list. If it passes both, it's
# added to our array of calls to make
foreach (@sips) {
my $sipphone = $1 if /(\d{3,4}) /;
my $sipinuse = substr( $_, 16, 1 );
unless ( grep ( /$sipphone/i, @bypass ) ) {
#if ( grep ( /${sipphone}_i/i , @intercoms ) and $sipinuse == 0 ) {
if ( grep ( /${sipphone}_i/i , @intercoms ) ) {
push ( @meetme_calls, make_call(SIP/${sipphone}_i) );
#push ( @meetme_calls, SIP/${sipphone}_i );
}
}
}
# The array is complete. The push line is uncommented
# if you want to add audio out to the intercom
#
#
# push ( @meetme_calls, make_call($audio_out) );
# Now move each call file to the outgoing directory
#
# Here's some more perl ugly
#
foreach my $call (@meetme_calls) {
move( $temp . '/' . $call, $outgoing . '/' . $call );
}
#print join(\n,@meetme_calls) . \n;
exit 0;
sub make_call {# makes the call file and returns the name
my $stripslash = $_[0];
$stripslash =~ s/\///g;
my $tempcall = $temp . '/' . $stripslash . $$;
my $callbase = $stripslash . $$;
open( call, $tempcall );
print call EOF;
Channel: $_[0]
MaxRetries: 1
Retry: 0
RetryTime: 60
Context: add-to-allcall
Extension: $callerid
Priority: 1
SetVar: ALERT_INFO=Ring Answer
CallerID: All-Call $callerid
EOF
close(call);
return $callbase;
}
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 06:24:09PM -0700, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com said: as a whole. I enjoy cheap computers, if it were not for microsoft creating windows, making computers easier to use for everyone, the mass production and highly competitive hardware market would not exist. If that didnt happen the $300 computer of today would likely not exist, and if it did it would cost more like computers did 20 years ago, $2000+ for a bare system. rantmode Um, that's total bullshit. Low computer prices and ease of use would have existed if MS was never around. You completely dismiss billions of man hours of hard work by those outside MS making advances in hardware and software around the world. To make a statement like that, you show a total lack of knowledge of the industry. I have worked for over 10 years in the software development industry and Then you entered the industry far too late to know the real history of computing, have read too many MS revisionist history books, or were hiding under a rock. For example, The Amiga for example had a wonderful OS, great multi-tasking, awesome windowing interface etc. over 10 years before MS (some would argue longer.) Comodore didn't have a chance against the mighty combo of IBM, MS, Compaq. and other x86 hardware and software vendors in the business world (the Amiga was originally designed as a game machine and could never escape the stigma AND had the same bone-headed single hardware source issue that Apple has. Poor management / marketing also contributed to the companies death.) (Speaking of Apple, it boggles the mind that it took them over 15 years to add multi-tasking to their product line - and yes, I am dismissing their prior failed unix attempt.) MS has no effective competition due to their illegal business practices, killing off alternatives (BeOS is a recent example) by pressuring large ISV's to only write for the Windows OS, restrictive contracts with hardware vendors, and other sleezy tactics. They effectivly killed Java on the desktop. They continue with a powerful FUD campaign against Linux, Apple, Firefox, etc. I could go on, and on, and on. In my opinion, MS has held the world of computing back about 15 years (unless you think that having the worst security model / track record in computing history, and proprietary interfaces and file formats with no publicly available documentation is a good thing.) Unfortunately the reality of business means that we have to deal with this horrible corporation and their aweful software. MS and their single platform (for servers and desktop anyway) means that we are still saddled with the horrible x86 architecture, the interrupt structure, bus, bios, etc. (essentially most everything about a PC.) By the way, that architecture is why it's so hard to make reliable hardware, why we need an external card to get a reliable timer device, etc. Before you spout off about how great MS has been to the industry, maybe you should learn a little about that industry and it's history first, M-kay? /rantmode ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 09:36 -0400, Walt Reed wrote: On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 06:24:09PM -0700, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com said: as a whole. I enjoy cheap computers, if it were not for microsoft creating windows, making computers easier to use for everyone, the mass production and highly competitive hardware market would not exist. If that didnt happen the $300 computer of today would likely not exist, and if it did it would cost more like computers did 20 years ago, $2000+ for a bare system. rantmode Um, that's total bullshit. Low computer prices and ease of use would have existed if MS was never around. You completely dismiss billions of man hours of hard work by those outside MS making advances in hardware and software around the world. To make a statement like that, you show a total lack of knowledge of the industry. and hoiw many operating systems were so popular during the 80s and early 90s? What operating system shipped on almost every computer during that period? I dont think I lack understanding of the industry I think that I remember clearly that windows was shipped on that, I think that whether or not it resulted in an anti-trust conviction microsoft did make it easier for people to use computers and thus more sold. I am sorry that you are so bigioted to think that other operating systems dominated the market during that period, and cant accept that windows was the #1 operating system by a clear margin in terms of installed systems. I have worked for over 10 years in the software development industry and Then you entered the industry far too late to know the real history of computing, have read too many MS revisionist history books, or were hiding under a rock. I started using computers in 1976. I dont think I entered too late. As for reading MS revisionist history books, no but I think that you have been readiung too many anti-MS revisionist history books. The popularity of a personal computer in the home was not made with cp/m it was not made with coherent (a unix for the pc before linux was around). It was not made by os/2, it was not made by any mac. Computers did not fully become so incredibly popular until windows. look at any historical sales reports and see when the numbers started increasing dramatically. Recall all the software shops that sold software, why was it that at least 90% was for windows and the remaining 10% for all other operating systems for a great many years? Why did all the computer shows that were oh so popular during that period sell mostly for the wintel platform? For example, The Amiga for example had a wonderful OS, great multi-tasking, awesome windowing interface etc. over 10 years before MS but it never sold as well. You fail to understand that its sales that drove the cost down. os/2 was better than windows at multitasking too, but again it didnt sell so well. Granted there was evilness by microsoft that resulted in antitrust convictions over some of that but you just proved how clueless you are. You know nothing if you try to bring up the amiga when we are talking about sales. And you try to say that I dont know what I am talking about? (some would argue longer.) Comodore didn't have a chance against the mighty combo of IBM, MS, Compaq. and other x86 hardware and software vendors in the business world (the Amiga was originally designed as a game machine and could never escape the stigma AND had the same bone-headed single hardware source issue that Apple has. Poor management / marketing also contributed to the companies death.) (Speaking of Apple, it boggles the mind that it took them over 15 years to add multi-tasking to their product line - and yes, I am dismissing their prior failed unix attempt.) You make excuses for the fact that they didnt sell as well as microsoft, and still try to insist that I dont know what I am talking about when I say that MS sold more units which drove the cost down (I specifically made that point in my previous email). MS has no effective competition due to their illegal business practices, killing off alternatives (BeOS is a recent example) by pressuring large ISV's to only write for the Windows OS, restrictive contracts with hardware vendors, and other sleezy tactics. They effectivly killed Java on the desktop. They continue with a powerful FUD campaign against Linux, Apple, Firefox, etc. I could go on, and on, and on. Yes and you would be proving me right and that you have no clue when you say I am wrong. Thanks for that. publicly available documentation is a good thing.) Unfortunately the reality of business means that we have to deal with this horrible corporation and their aweful software. MS and their single platform (for servers and desktop anyway) means that we are still saddled with the horrible x86 architecture, the interrupt structure, bus, bios, etc. (essentially most everything about a PC.) By the way, that
Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 09:01:56AM -0700, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com said: On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 09:36 -0400, Walt Reed wrote: On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 06:24:09PM -0700, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com said: as a whole. I enjoy cheap computers, if it were not for microsoft creating windows, making computers easier to use for everyone, the mass production and highly competitive hardware market would not exist. If that didnt happen the $300 computer of today would likely not exist, and if it did it would cost more like computers did 20 years ago, $2000+ for a bare system. rantmode Um, that's total bullshit. Low computer prices and ease of use would have existed if MS was never around. You completely dismiss billions of man hours of hard work by those outside MS making advances in hardware and software around the world. To make a statement like that, you show a total lack of knowledge of the industry. and hoiw many operating systems were so popular during the 80s and early 90s? What operating system shipped on almost every computer during that period? BTW, in the 80's, it wasn't windows - it was DOS (I know, well before your time.) Again, nobody could really compete with the IBM / MS / compaq x86 platform dominance, so the ONLY real choice on that platform was Dos, although there were a few specialty OS's and extensions (OS/2, QNX, Desqview/X, etc.) I realize you wouldn't know about them, comming into the game rather late. It wasn't until Windows 3.1 in the early 90's that there was a relativly stable (if you could call it that) windowing system from MS (despite that other companies had been doing it for many years.) Bundling and restrictive contracts made it impossible to compete. Furthermore, (if you knew your history) MS had been doing funny things with DOS / and windows to make it difficult for other windowing systems and DOS clones to work with MS-DOS / Windows, further cementing their market dominance. I dont think I lack understanding of the industry I think that I remember clearly that windows was shipped on that, I think that whether or not it resulted in an anti-trust conviction microsoft did make it easier for people to use computers and thus more sold. Again, your lack of experience with and knowledge of other OS's shows otherwise. I am sorry that you are so bigioted to think that other operating systems dominated the market during that period, and cant accept that windows was the #1 operating system by a clear margin in terms of installed systems. Did I say they dominated? No. Please work on your reading comprehention. There was competition on the OS front, but it's hard to knock out the market leader, and impossible when they won't play fairly (legally.) I have worked for over 10 years in the software development industry and Then you entered the industry far too late to know the real history of computing, have read too many MS revisionist history books, or were hiding under a rock. I started using computers in 1976. I dont think I entered too late. As for reading MS revisionist history books, no but I think that you have been readiung too many anti-MS revisionist history books. The popularity of a personal computer in the home was not made with cp/m it was not made with coherent (a unix for the pc before linux was around). It was not made by os/2, it was not made by any mac. Computers did not fully become so incredibly popular until windows. look at any historical sales reports and see when the numbers started increasing dramatically. Again, bundling, restrictive contracts, buying and killing your competition, sueing your competition, not working with standardsm etc. These are the things that created the dominance. You can't possible comprehend reality until you are willing to accept these facts. BTW, if you really started using computers in 76, in what capcity? Playing Pong? Recall all the software shops that sold software, why was it that at least 90% was for windows and the remaining 10% for all other operating systems for a great many years? Why did all the computer shows that were oh so popular during that period sell mostly for the wintel platform? That was not always true. If you REALLY have been professionally using computers since 76 (or even 1990) you would realize that this was not true until the early 90's. For example, The Amiga for example had a wonderful OS, great multi-tasking, awesome windowing interface etc. over 10 years before MS but it never sold as well. You fail to understand that its sales that drove the cost down. os/2 was better than windows at multitasking too, but again it didnt sell so well. Granted there was evilness by microsoft that resulted in antitrust convictions over some of that but you just proved how clueless you are. How many times do I have to say it? Bundling, restrictive contracts, unfair / illegal business
RE: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
Wow! What a great fight! Let me egg you guys on. Furthermore, (if you knew your history) MS had been doing funny things with DOS / and windows to make it difficult for other windowing systems and DOS clones to work with MS-DOS / Windows, further cementing their market dominance. As someone who worked under DOS. And by under I mean we loaded first, then loaded DOS on top of us so DOS would make the pre-NETBIOS world calls and file calls to us. And as one of the Original Windows 1.x, 2.x, 3.x, 95, 98, NT, Windows 2000, XP developers I can tell you some stories. Neither DOS nor MS ever did anything funny to trick anybody. The Code was just poor code. Unless you actually meet and worked with Aaron, one of the original MS DOS guys, you have a clue. Come on. Does anyone really think that a developer would try to cheat people? It was those business clowns who lied; not the developers. Why is it that the conspiracy guys are all lousy developers or spaceship probed Red Necks? Long live Linux! Screw Apple. I hope MS goes broke. Race the tyrannical ludite Vandedecken http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walt Reed Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 2:21 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 09:01:56AM -0700, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com said: On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 09:36 -0400, Walt Reed wrote: On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 06:24:09PM -0700, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com said: as a whole. I enjoy cheap computers, if it were not for microsoft creating windows, making computers easier to use for everyone, the mass production and highly competitive hardware market would not exist. If that didnt happen the $300 computer of today would likely not exist, and if it did it would cost more like computers did 20 years ago, $2000+ for a bare system. rantmode Um, that's total bullshit. Low computer prices and ease of use would have existed if MS was never around. You completely dismiss billions of man hours of hard work by those outside MS making advances in hardware and software around the world. To make a statement like that, you show a total lack of knowledge of the industry. and hoiw many operating systems were so popular during the 80s and early 90s? What operating system shipped on almost every computer during that period? BTW, in the 80's, it wasn't windows - it was DOS (I know, well before your time.) Again, nobody could really compete with the IBM / MS / compaq x86 platform dominance, so the ONLY real choice on that platform was Dos, although there were a few specialty OS's and extensions (OS/2, QNX, Desqview/X, etc.) I realize you wouldn't know about them, comming into the game rather late. It wasn't until Windows 3.1 in the early 90's that there was a relativly stable (if you could call it that) windowing system from MS (despite that other companies had been doing it for many years.) Bundling and restrictive contracts made it impossible to compete. Furthermore, (if you knew your history) MS had been doing funny things with DOS / and windows to make it difficult for other windowing systems and DOS clones to work with MS-DOS / Windows, further cementing their market dominance. I dont think I lack understanding of the industry I think that I remember clearly that windows was shipped on that, I think that whether or not it resulted in an anti-trust conviction microsoft did make it easier for people to use computers and thus more sold. Again, your lack of experience with and knowledge of other OS's shows otherwise. I am sorry that you are so bigioted to think that other operating systems dominated the market during that period, and cant accept that windows was the #1 operating system by a clear margin in terms of installed systems. Did I say they dominated? No. Please work on your reading comprehention. There was competition on the OS front, but it's hard to knock out the market leader, and impossible when they won't play fairly (legally.) I have worked for over 10 years in the software development industry and Then you entered the industry far too late to know the real history of computing, have read too many MS revisionist history books, or were hiding under a rock. I started using computers in 1976. I dont think I entered too late. As for reading MS revisionist history books, no but I think that you have been readiung too many anti-MS revisionist history books. The popularity of a personal computer in the home was not made with cp/m it was not made with coherent (a unix for the pc before linux was around). It was not made by os/2, it was not made by any mac. Computers did not fully become so incredibly popular until windows. look at any historical sales reports and see when the numbers started increasing
Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
Alright, so what does this (now mangled)thread have to do with Asterisk again? - Original Message - From: Walt Reed To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 09:01:56AM -0700, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com said: On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 09:36 -0400, Walt Reed wrote: On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 06:24:09PM -0700, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com said: as a whole. I enjoy cheap computers, if it were not for microsoft creating windows, making computers easier to use for everyone, the mass production and highly competitive hardware market would not exist. If that didnt happen the $300 computer of today would likely not exist, and if it did it would cost more like computers did 20 years ago, $2000+ for a bare system.rantmode Um, that's total bullshit. Low computer prices and "ease of use" would have existed if MS was never around. You completely dismiss billions of man hours of hard work by those outside MS making advances in hardware and software around the world. To make a statement like that, you show a total lack of knowledge of the industry. and hoiw many operating systems were so popular during the 80s and early 90s? What operating system shipped on almost every computer during that period?BTW, in the 80's, it wasn't windows - it was DOS (I know, well beforeyour time.) Again, nobody could really compete with the IBM / MS /compaq x86 platform dominance, so the ONLY real choice on that platformwas Dos, although there were a few specialty OS's and extensions (OS/2,QNX, Desqview/X, etc.) I realize you wouldn't know about them, comminginto the game rather late. It wasn't until Windows 3.1 in the early 90'sthat there was a relativly stable (if you could call it that) windowingsystem from MS (despite that other companies had been doing it for manyyears.) Bundling and restrictive contracts made it impossible tocompete. Furthermore, (if you knew your history) MS had been doing funnythings with DOS / and windows to make it difficult for other windowingsystems and DOS clones to work with MS-DOS / Windows, further cementingtheir market dominance. I dont think I lack understanding of the industry I think that I remember clearly that windows was shipped on that, I think that whether or not it resulted in an anti-trust conviction microsoft did make it easier for people to use computers and thus more sold.Again, your lack of experience with and knowledge of other OS's showsotherwise. I am sorry that you are so bigioted to think that other operating systems dominated the market during that period, and cant accept that windows was the #1 operating system by a clear margin in terms of installed systems.Did I say they dominated? No. Please work on your reading comprehention.There was competition on the OS front, but it's hard to knock out themarket leader, and impossible when they won't play fairly (legally.) I have worked for over 10 years in the software development industry andThen you entered the industry far too late to know the real history of computing, have read too many MS revisionist history books, or were hiding under a rock.I started using computers in 1976. I dont think I entered too late. As for reading MS revisionist history books, no but I think that you have been readiung too many anti-MS revisionist history books. The popularity of a personal computer in the home was not made with cp/m it was not made with coherent (a unix for the pc before linux was around). It was not made by os/2, it was not made by any mac. Computers did not fully become so incredibly popular until windows. look at any historical sales reports and see when the numbers started increasing dramatically.Again, bundling, restrictive contracts, buying and killing yourcompetition, sueing your competition, not working with standardsm etc.These are the things that created the dominance. You can't possiblecomprehend reality until you are willing to accept these facts. BTW, ifyou really started using computers in 76, in what capcity? Playing Pong? Recall all the software shops that sold software, why was it that at least 90% was for windows and the remaining 10% for all other operating systems for a great many years? Why did all the computer shows that were oh so popular during that period sell mostly for the wintel platform? That was not always true. If you REALLY have been professionally usingcomputers since 76 (or even 1990) you would realize that this was nottrue until the early 90's. For example, The Amiga for example had a wonderful OS, great multi-tasking, awesome windowing interface etc. ove
Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
Ok you guys enough. The debate will go on forever. The only thing that seperates the boys from the men in this world is marketing. Beta vs VHS. Is Unix is better then Windows - Yes, but it doesn't matter. We live in a Windows world because Microsoft is the greatest marketing company on the planet! They also do somethng nobody else does. Tools Tools Tools. They made it easy to program on their system. If Unix and Lenux had the or can create the ease of use software tools, you will see the end of Microsoft. That is the key. Get the tools in the hands of all the programmers. A tool like VB on unix would just kill. trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 09:36 -0400, Walt Reed wrote: On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 06:24:09PM -0700, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com said: as a whole. I enjoy cheap computers, if it were not for microsoft creating windows, making computers easier to use for everyone, the mass production and highly competitive hardware market would not exist. If that didnt happen the $300 computer of today would likely not exist, and if it did it would cost more like computers did 20 years ago, $2000+ for a bare system. rantmode Um, that's total bullshit. Low computer prices and "ease of use" would have existed if MS was never around. You completely dismiss billions of man hours of hard work by those outside MS making advances in hardware and software around the world. To make a statement like that, you show a total lack of knowledge of the industry. and hoiw many operating systems were so popular during the 80s and early 90s? What operating system shipped on almost every computer during that period? I dont think I lack understanding of the industry I think that I remember clearly that windows was shipped on that, I think that whether or not it resulted in an anti-trust conviction microsoft did make it easier for people to use computers and thus more sold. I am sorry that you are so bigioted to think that other operating systems dominated the market during that period, and cant accept that windows was the #1 operating system by a clear margin in terms of installed systems. I have worked for over 10 years in the software development industry and Then you entered the industry far too late to know the real history of computing, have read too many MS revisionist history books, or were hiding under a rock. I started using computers in 1976. I dont think I entered too late. As for reading MS revisionist history books, no but I think that you have been readiung too many anti-MS revisionist history books. The popularity of a personal computer in the home was not made with cp/m it was not made with coherent (a unix for the pc before linux was around). It was not made by os/2, it was not made by any mac. Computers did not fully become so incredibly popular until windows. look at any historical sales reports and see when the numbers started increasing dramatically. Recall all the software shops that sold software, why was it that at least 90% was for windows and the remaining 10% for all other operating systems for a great many years? Why did all the computer shows that were oh so popular during that period sell mostly for the wintel platform? For example, The Amiga for example had a wonderful OS, great multi-tasking, awesome windowing interface etc. over 10 years before MS but it never sold as well. You fail to understand that its sales that drove the cost down. os/2 was better than windows at multitasking too, but again it didnt sell so well. Granted there was evilness by microsoft that resulted in antitrust convictions over some of that but you just proved how clueless you are. You know nothing if you try to bring up the amiga when we are talking about sales. And you try to say that I dont know what I am talking about? (some would argue longer.) Comodore didn't have a chance against the mighty combo of IBM, MS, Compaq. and other x86 hardware and software vendors in the business world (the Amiga was originally designed as a game machine and could never escape the stigma AND had the same bone-headed single hardware source issue that Apple has. Poor management / marketing also contributed to the companies death.) (Speaking of Apple, it boggles the mind that it took them over 15 years to add multi-tasking to their product line - and yes, I am dismissing their prior failed unix attempt.) You make excuses for the fact that they didnt sell as well as microsoft, and still try to insist that I dont know what I am talking about when I say that MS sold more units which drove the cost down (I specifically made that point in my previous email). MS has no effective competition due to their illegal business practices, killing off alternatives (BeOS is a recent example) by pressuring large ISV's to only write for the
RE: licensing *sigh* (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for*paging feature)
I guess we are not thinking about the global extent of asterisk. $200 in a third world would be great money. You can almost buy a Dell computer for that much. But this is more like a $200 bounty to design, build and replace your Yugo engine with a Ferrari engine. And I only get the money if and when the customer is satisfied. I guess the Bounty poster does not understand You get what you pay for. Add a couple of zeroes and bring the big guns out of the woodwork. Race Mutiny on the Bounty Tyrant Vanderdecken -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Fielding Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 1:01 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: licensing *sigh* (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for*paging feature) - Original Message - From: snacktime [EMAIL PROTECTED] At $200 someone might be willing to do the work if they know it's going to be open source, but if it's a work for hire, $200 is extremely paltry. I'm with you on that one. $200 might be an acceptable bounty to give someone a bit of added incentive to contribute something to the community, but if the code is closed source and owned by the purchaser, than $200 won't even buy a day's worth of real coding. If you want to own it, you don't put out a bounty, you're hiring a programmer, and paying appropriately... regards, Paul ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 14:20 -0400, Walt Reed wrote: and hoiw many operating systems were so popular during the 80s and early 90s? What operating system shipped on almost every computer during that period? BTW, in the 80's, it wasn't windows - it was DOS (I know, well before your time.) Again, nobody could really compete with the IBM / MS / compaq x86 platform dominance, so the ONLY real choice on that platform stupid feeble attack aside, windows started in 1983, windows 1.0 was 85 windows 2.0 was 87. Windows 3.0 was may 1990. Does that not fit into my 80s and 90s comment? I think it does. was Dos, although there were a few specialty OS's and extensions (OS/2, QNX, Desqview/X, etc.) I realize you wouldn't know about them, comming into the game rather late. It wasn't until Windows 3.1 in the early 90's that there was a relativly stable (if you could call it that) windowing system from MS (despite that other companies had been doing it for many years.) Bundling and restrictive contracts made it impossible to compete. Furthermore, (if you knew your history) MS had been doing funny things with DOS / and windows to make it difficult for other windowing systems and DOS clones to work with MS-DOS / Windows, further cementing their market dominance. I never claimed that MS was not doing stuff, infact I specifically mentioned their anti-trust conviction for the games they played in the 80s (they have had at least 17 cases for antitrust violations over the years). I also specifically mentioned os/2 yet you imply that I wouldnt know about that because coming into computers in 1976 I came in late. I question when you came into the game given how many false things you have said to support your theory that if you say anything good at all about microsoft you are inherently evil. You need to stop trying to start a flame war over this. Accept the fact that while you may not agree with the company, what it does or even its product, it did help sell a ton of computers. That increase in sales did help lower prices. And that that is all I said not the other things that you are trying to bring into this. I dont think I lack understanding of the industry I think that I remember clearly that windows was shipped on that, I think that whether or not it resulted in an anti-trust conviction microsoft did make it easier for people to use computers and thus more sold. Again, your lack of experience with and knowledge of other OS's shows otherwise. http://www.computerhope.com/history/windows.htm perhaps your lack of knowledge makes you think that you somehow know something that you dont. Nothing I said was untrue, much of what you said is untrue. I also never said that I agreed with microsoft 100% on everything, however you implied that I did. Such a shame that you cant read what you are replying to. I am sorry that you are so bigioted to think that other operating systems dominated the market during that period, and cant accept that windows was the #1 operating system by a clear margin in terms of installed systems. Did I say they dominated? No. Please work on your reading comprehention. There was competition on the OS front, but it's hard to knock out the market leader, and impossible when they won't play fairly (legally.) I never said they played legal, I said they made computers easier to use, and they did do that. I said they sold a bunch of units, which they did do that. I also said that the volume of computer sales pushed prices down, which it did. You brought up operating systems (some of which I brought up before you) that did not sell so well, and as such they could not have had the impact that microsoft products did. You played the what if game. Saying that due to MS being unfair these other companies didnt have a chance. That doesnt change the fact that they didnt sell as well, regardless of the reasons. Your bigotry over this issue is really sad. You have my pity. I have worked for over 10 years in the software development industry and Then you entered the industry far too late to know the real history of computing, have read too many MS revisionist history books, or were hiding under a rock. I started using computers in 1976. I dont think I entered too late. As for reading MS revisionist history books, no but I think that you have been readiung too many anti-MS revisionist history books. The popularity of a personal computer in the home was not made with cp/m it was not made with coherent (a unix for the pc before linux was around). It was not made by os/2, it was not made by any mac. Computers did not fully become so incredibly popular until windows. look at any historical sales reports and see when the numbers started increasing dramatically. Again, bundling, restrictive contracts, buying and killing your competition, sueing your competition, not working with standardsm etc.
Re: licensing *sigh* (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for*paging feature)
On April 20, 2005 03:18 pm, Race Vanderdecken wrote: Add a couple of zeroes and bring the big guns out of the woodwork. *snort* $20k for a simple paging AGI and web interface? You're more out of touch than I thought, even if it is closed source. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 15:15 -0400, John D. Lewis wrote: Alright, so what does this (now mangled) thread have to do with Asterisk again? asterisk runs on (now) relatively inexpensive computers and as I am told that is a bad thing. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
fight fight fight fight! On Wed, 20 Apr 2005, Race Vanderdecken wrote: Wow! What a great fight! Let me egg you guys on. Furthermore, (if you knew your history) MS had been doing funny things with DOS / and windows to make it difficult for other windowing systems and DOS clones to work with MS-DOS / Windows, further cementing their market dominance. As someone who worked under DOS. And by under I mean we loaded first, then loaded DOS on top of us so DOS would make the pre-NETBIOS world calls and file calls to us. And as one of the Original Windows 1.x, 2.x, 3.x, 95, 98, NT, Windows 2000, XP developers I can tell you some stories. Neither DOS nor MS ever did anything funny to trick anybody. The Code was just poor code. Unless you actually meet and worked with Aaron, one of the original MS DOS guys, you have a clue. Come on. Does anyone really think that a developer would try to cheat people? It was those business clowns who lied; not the developers. Why is it that the conspiracy guys are all lousy developers or spaceship probed Red Necks? Long live Linux! Screw Apple. I hope MS goes broke. Race the tyrannical ludite Vandedecken http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walt Reed Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 2:21 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 09:01:56AM -0700, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com said: On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 09:36 -0400, Walt Reed wrote: On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 06:24:09PM -0700, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com said: as a whole. I enjoy cheap computers, if it were not for microsoft creating windows, making computers easier to use for everyone, the mass production and highly competitive hardware market would not exist. If that didnt happen the $300 computer of today would likely not exist, and if it did it would cost more like computers did 20 years ago, $2000+ for a bare system. rantmode Um, that's total bullshit. Low computer prices and ease of use would have existed if MS was never around. You completely dismiss billions of man hours of hard work by those outside MS making advances in hardware and software around the world. To make a statement like that, you show a total lack of knowledge of the industry. and hoiw many operating systems were so popular during the 80s and early 90s? What operating system shipped on almost every computer during that period? BTW, in the 80's, it wasn't windows - it was DOS (I know, well before your time.) Again, nobody could really compete with the IBM / MS / compaq x86 platform dominance, so the ONLY real choice on that platform was Dos, although there were a few specialty OS's and extensions (OS/2, QNX, Desqview/X, etc.) I realize you wouldn't know about them, comming into the game rather late. It wasn't until Windows 3.1 in the early 90's that there was a relativly stable (if you could call it that) windowing system from MS (despite that other companies had been doing it for many years.) Bundling and restrictive contracts made it impossible to compete. Furthermore, (if you knew your history) MS had been doing funny things with DOS / and windows to make it difficult for other windowing systems and DOS clones to work with MS-DOS / Windows, further cementing their market dominance. I dont think I lack understanding of the industry I think that I remember clearly that windows was shipped on that, I think that whether or not it resulted in an anti-trust conviction microsoft did make it easier for people to use computers and thus more sold. Again, your lack of experience with and knowledge of other OS's shows otherwise. I am sorry that you are so bigioted to think that other operating systems dominated the market during that period, and cant accept that windows was the #1 operating system by a clear margin in terms of installed systems. Did I say they dominated? No. Please work on your reading comprehention. There was competition on the OS front, but it's hard to knock out the market leader, and impossible when they won't play fairly (legally.) I have worked for over 10 years in the software development industry and Then you entered the industry far too late to know the real history of computing, have read too many MS revisionist history books, or were hiding under a rock. I started using computers in 1976. I dont think I entered too late. As for reading MS revisionist history books, no but I think that you have been readiung too many anti-MS revisionist history books. The popularity of a personal computer in the home was not made with cp/m it was not made with coherent (a unix for the pc before linux was around). It was not made by os/2, it was not made by any mac. Computers did not fully become so incredibly popular until windows. look at any historical sales reports and see when the numbers started increasing dramatically. Again, bundling
Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
Michael D Schelin wrote: Ok you guys enough. The debate will go on forever. Agreed! At the risk of wasting bandwidth myself Please, guys stop wasting my precious bandwidth. If you want to private message your flames, great but leave this list to Asterisk, please. Thanks! - Dan ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
you did a great parody of him completly ignoring what I was saying and going off on something unrelated to what I say just to get MS bashing in. Gotta love people who disregard what is said thinking that it has to be all or nothing. You say that in some way a company did something that is good beyond themselves and all of a sudden people attack you for saying that everything the company did is great, which was never said. I wonder what makes people snap that way. Is it sheer stupidity and inability to read or do they live in a total fantasy land. Now to make this more asterisk, I will be releasing code within a week that is a better than festival TTS engine. Caching support, better than speek and spell v1.1 voice, infact the engine supports a few languages, male and female speakers and even US UK english dialects (as well as a couple dialects of spanish and a few other languages). On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 15:36 -0400, Race Vanderdecken wrote: Wow! What a great fight! Let me egg you guys on. Furthermore, (if you knew your history) MS had been doing funny things with DOS / and windows to make it difficult for other windowing systems and DOS clones to work with MS-DOS / Windows, further cementing their market dominance. As someone who worked under DOS. And by under I mean we loaded first, then loaded DOS on top of us so DOS would make the pre-NETBIOS world calls and file calls to us. And as one of the Original Windows 1.x, 2.x, 3.x, 95, 98, NT, Windows 2000, XP developers I can tell you some stories. Neither DOS nor MS ever did anything funny to trick anybody. The Code was just poor code. Unless you actually meet and worked with Aaron, one of the original MS DOS guys, you have a clue. Come on. Does anyone really think that a developer would try to cheat people? It was those business clowns who lied; not the developers. Why is it that the conspiracy guys are all lousy developers or spaceship probed Red Necks? Long live Linux! Screw Apple. I hope MS goes broke. Race the tyrannical ludite Vandedecken http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walt Reed Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 2:21 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 09:01:56AM -0700, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com said: On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 09:36 -0400, Walt Reed wrote: On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 06:24:09PM -0700, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com said: as a whole. I enjoy cheap computers, if it were not for microsoft creating windows, making computers easier to use for everyone, the mass production and highly competitive hardware market would not exist. If that didnt happen the $300 computer of today would likely not exist, and if it did it would cost more like computers did 20 years ago, $2000+ for a bare system. rantmode Um, that's total bullshit. Low computer prices and ease of use would have existed if MS was never around. You completely dismiss billions of man hours of hard work by those outside MS making advances in hardware and software around the world. To make a statement like that, you show a total lack of knowledge of the industry. and hoiw many operating systems were so popular during the 80s and early 90s? What operating system shipped on almost every computer during that period? BTW, in the 80's, it wasn't windows - it was DOS (I know, well before your time.) Again, nobody could really compete with the IBM / MS / compaq x86 platform dominance, so the ONLY real choice on that platform was Dos, although there were a few specialty OS's and extensions (OS/2, QNX, Desqview/X, etc.) I realize you wouldn't know about them, comming into the game rather late. It wasn't until Windows 3.1 in the early 90's that there was a relativly stable (if you could call it that) windowing system from MS (despite that other companies had been doing it for many years.) Bundling and restrictive contracts made it impossible to compete. Furthermore, (if you knew your history) MS had been doing funny things with DOS / and windows to make it difficult for other windowing systems and DOS clones to work with MS-DOS / Windows, further cementing their market dominance. I dont think I lack understanding of the industry I think that I remember clearly that windows was shipped on that, I think that whether or not it resulted in an anti-trust conviction microsoft did make it easier for people to use computers and thus more sold. Again, your lack of experience with and knowledge of other OS's shows otherwise. I am sorry that you are so bigioted to think that other operating systems dominated the market during that period, and cant accept that windows was the #1 operating system by a clear margin
Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 22:14 -0500, Dan Perik wrote: Michael D Schelin wrote: Ok you guys enough. The debate will go on forever. Agreed! At the risk of wasting bandwidth myself Please, guys stop wasting my precious bandwidth. If you want to private message your flames, great but leave this list to Asterisk, please. Thanks! - Dan Interesting that so many people are coming out to say stop, even to reply to others saying stop and holding precious bandwidth up as the reason. I love your logic. To jump on the bandwagon stop waasting my bandwidth telling people to stop wasting your bandwidth. Its only fair. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
I agree - you guys really shouldn't be wasting our bandwidth unless it's important. What were you thinking? trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 22:14 -0500, Dan Perik wrote: Michael D Schelin wrote: Ok you guys enough. The debate will go on forever. Agreed! At the risk of wasting bandwidth myself Please, guys stop wasting my precious bandwidth. If you want to private message your flames, great but leave this list to Asterisk, please. Thanks! - Dan Interesting that so many people are coming out to say stop, even to reply to others saying stop and holding precious bandwidth up as the reason. I love your logic. To jump on the bandwagon stop waasting my bandwidth telling people to stop wasting your bandwidth. Its only fair. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
Hi All, This is a * paging bounty. The requirements are, . US$200 for this bounty when all done. Need paging by April 27 ($75 paid after done and basic testing), web interface done by May 3 ($75 paid after done and basic testing). $50 paid two weeks after when more extensive testing is done and all issues fixed. If you feel the deadline is not achievable, let me know and we can discuss. . close source and we own the code. . Work with the latest stable version, currently 1.0.7. . An application or AGI script which supports zone paging, . Multiple extensions can be added into one zone, . When someone wants to page a zone, it dials an extension which invokes the application or AGI, it should accept parameters such as zonename@extension. (We use polycom phones and already have 'auto answer' working.) . user makes the announcement, for a small group, make it real time, for a large group, record the message and play it for a group of users. . An option to page X number of users in a zone at a time, this would be useful if a zone is big. In this case, the system records the message and pages X number of users in sequence, . a zone is allowed to include one or more other zones. In this case, it would include all users in the included zone. (make sure that there is a logic to disallow recursive zone inclusion) . When a zone is paged, system will get all users in the included zones. Remove redundant users before doing the paging. . User and zone information is stored in a backend mysql database. (db table structure will be provided later) . A web interface which create/delete a zone, create/delete a user from a zone, move a user from one zone to another . The application or AGI must be in either C or PHP. (sorry, no PERL or other scripting language) . The web interface must use PHP with mysql as a backend database . last but not the least, a easily readable and maintainable code is expected. If you can please send some sample code you wrote before, that would be really appreciated. Thanks, Richard ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
Richard wrote: . close source and we own the code. I was interested until I saw this. Nice try, but no thanks. If you are doing what I think you're doing, you're opening Asterisk up to a patent fight. And that's not what we're about. You want to develop for Asterisk? Do it in the spirit of the community. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
. close source and we own the code. You are no better then Microsoft. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
Since paging works just fine in the current code using external speakers or speakers on the handsets, someone should take the $200 as partial compensation for the aggravation. William Boehlke Signate -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.17 - Release Date: 4/19/2005 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
On Tue, 2005-04-19 at 18:04 -0400, Mike wrote: . close source and we own the code. You are no better then Microsoft. Lets boycott hardware based SIP phone adapters while we are at it! They paid people to write firmware in the device as well as design the hardware the devices use. They must be evil for paying people to create a product and then not making that product totally open! I dont see a problem if he wants to own what he pays for? The closed source parts would apply only to the AGI that does this, not to asterisk as a whole. I enjoy cheap computers, if it were not for microsoft creating windows, making computers easier to use for everyone, the mass production and highly competitive hardware market would not exist. If that didnt happen the $300 computer of today would likely not exist, and if it did it would cost more like computers did 20 years ago, $2000+ for a bare system. As for the other comment about 'patent fight' if its not patented there would be no fight and it would be hard to have any serious patent on paging (calling multiple extensions in a group which auto answer on speaker phone or equiv when a given extension is dialed). I dont think its bad that people want to keep ownership and control over what they pay to create. Nothing is preventing someone from writing a open version of this, only if you want the $200 he is offering then he wants to own the code. Want to do it for free then you can do what you want with the code. I have worked for over 10 years in the software development industry and during that time I was paid to write code which the company paying me owned. I dont think they are wrong for claiming ownership since it was their money that caused it to happen. This does not make me nor the companies I worked for evil, if it did the same could be said about any commercial enterprise, whether or not its the hardware makers who pay people to design the systems, write the firmware, or even sell sip based hardware phones. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
licensing *sigh* (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature)
On April 19, 2005 08:41 pm, Matthew Walster wrote: Richard wrote: . close source and we own the code. I was interested until I saw this. Nice try, but no thanks. If you are doing what I think you're doing, you're opening Asterisk up to a patent fight. And that's not what we're about. You want to develop for Asterisk? Do it in the spirit of the community. I'm curious; what on earth are you talking about? Why is something they're not distributing opening up asterisk to a patent fight? -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
On 4/19/05, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . close source and we own the code. You are no better then Microsoft. Speaking of an over reaction -Matt ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: licensing *sigh* (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature)
On 4/19/05, Andrew Kohlsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On April 19, 2005 08:41 pm, Matthew Walster wrote: Richard wrote: . close source and we own the code. I was interested until I saw this. Nice try, but no thanks. If you are doing what I think you're doing, you're opening Asterisk up to a patent fight. And that's not what we're about. You want to develop for Asterisk? Do it in the spirit of the community. I'm curious; what on earth are you talking about? Why is something they're not distributing opening up asterisk to a patent fight? It doesn't. Although I think the bounty system was put together under the assumption that the resulting code would be open source? I'd go for making that distinction. If someone wants custom code then that's what they would ask for, and if they post a bounty everyone knows the result will be available to the community. At $200 someone might be willing to do the work if they know it's going to be open source, but if it's a work for hire, $200 is extremely paltry. Chris ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: licensing *sigh* (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature)
On Tue, 2005-04-19 at 19:58 -0700, snacktime wrote: It doesn't. Although I think the bounty system was put together under the assumption that the resulting code would be open source? I'd go for making that distinction. If someone wants custom code then that's what they would ask for, and if they post a bounty everyone knows the result will be available to the community. At $200 someone might be willing to do the work if they know it's going to be open source, but if it's a work for hire, $200 is extremely paltry. I agree that it is not worth my time for $200 only, especially paid the way it is. This is more than one days work and that is barely one days pay. But the use of the word bounty, since that is an older word that was adapted to mean paying for code I dont know that to nit pick over the use of that term, when it was clear what he was asking for, closed source that he owns the rights to since he is paying for it, I cant have an objection to the use of that term. If he had asked for someone to be a code whore (program for cash) I wouldnt have a problem with that either, and I have even called myself a tech whore (I do more than just code) for that reason. Soime people however may take offense to using that term. If people pay me to code I have absolutly no problem with them owning it, infact its the law in many places that unless previously stated when contracted to do work, when you do work for hire the work product is the property of the person paying. I would have had more of a symantic problem with him saying it was a donation rather than a bounty. After all bounty hunters are people who perform a task for money, not for the good of the community. But as long as it was clearly defined I would have just ignored the use of the word 'donation' rather than anything else. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
I am already doing this with AGI, PERL, and PHP to set up the page groups. I will release the code as open source if people are interested. I'm not the best PERL scripter in the world but it works. - Original Message - From: Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' asterisk-users@lists.digium.com; 'Asterisk Developers Mailing List' asterisk-dev@lists.digium.com Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 5:56 PM Subject: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature Hi All, This is a * paging bounty. The requirements are, . US$200 for this bounty when all done. Need paging by April 27 ($75 paid after done and basic testing), web interface done by May 3 ($75 paid after done and basic testing). $50 paid two weeks after when more extensive testing is done and all issues fixed. If you feel the deadline is not achievable, let me know and we can discuss. . close source and we own the code. . Work with the latest stable version, currently 1.0.7. . An application or AGI script which supports zone paging, . Multiple extensions can be added into one zone, . When someone wants to page a zone, it dials an extension which invokes the application or AGI, it should accept parameters such as zonename@extension. (We use polycom phones and already have 'auto answer' working.) . user makes the announcement, for a small group, make it real time, for a large group, record the message and play it for a group of users. . An option to page X number of users in a zone at a time, this would be useful if a zone is big. In this case, the system records the message and pages X number of users in sequence, . a zone is allowed to include one or more other zones. In this case, it would include all users in the included zone. (make sure that there is a logic to disallow recursive zone inclusion) . When a zone is paged, system will get all users in the included zones. Remove redundant users before doing the paging. . User and zone information is stored in a backend mysql database. (db table structure will be provided later) . A web interface which create/delete a zone, create/delete a user from a zone, move a user from one zone to another . The application or AGI must be in either C or PHP. (sorry, no PERL or other scripting language) . The web interface must use PHP with mysql as a backend database . last but not the least, a easily readable and maintainable code is expected. If you can please send some sample code you wrote before, that would be really appreciated. Thanks, Richard ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
The overwhelmingly bashing to the original posting is a good indication that there is a huge interest in this feature. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Henry Devito Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 5:24 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature I am already doing this with AGI, PERL, and PHP to set up the page groups. I will release the code as open source if people are interested. I'm not the best PERL scripter in the world but it works. - Original Message - From: Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' asterisk-users@lists.digium.com; 'Asterisk Developers Mailing List' asterisk-dev@lists.digium.com Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 5:56 PM Subject: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature Hi All, This is a * paging bounty. The requirements are, . US$200 for this bounty when all done. Need paging by April 27 ($75 paid after done and basic testing), web interface done by May 3 ($75 paid after done and basic testing). $50 paid two weeks after when more extensive testing is done and all issues fixed. If you feel the deadline is not achievable, let me know and we can discuss. . close source and we own the code. . Work with the latest stable version, currently 1.0.7. . An application or AGI script which supports zone paging, . Multiple extensions can be added into one zone, . When someone wants to page a zone, it dials an extension which invokes the application or AGI, it should accept parameters such as zonename@extension. (We use polycom phones and already have 'auto answer' working.) . user makes the announcement, for a small group, make it real time, for a large group, record the message and play it for a group of users. . An option to page X number of users in a zone at a time, this would be useful if a zone is big. In this case, the system records the message and pages X number of users in sequence, . a zone is allowed to include one or more other zones. In this case, it would include all users in the included zone. (make sure that there is a logic to disallow recursive zone inclusion) . When a zone is paged, system will get all users in the included zones. Remove redundant users before doing the paging. . User and zone information is stored in a backend mysql database. (db table structure will be provided later) . A web interface which create/delete a zone, create/delete a user from a zone, move a user from one zone to another . The application or AGI must be in either C or PHP. (sorry, no PERL or other scripting language) . The web interface must use PHP with mysql as a backend database . last but not the least, a easily readable and maintainable code is expected. If you can please send some sample code you wrote before, that would be really appreciated. Thanks, Richard ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
Henry, I'd certainly be interested in your paging code. Henry Devito wrote: I am already doing this with AGI, PERL, and PHP to set up the page groups. I will release the code as open source if people are interested. I'm not the best PERL scripter in the world but it works. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
Paging already works. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Litwiller Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 12:02 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature Henry, I'd certainly be interested in your paging code. Henry Devito wrote: I am already doing this with AGI, PERL, and PHP to set up the page groups. I will release the code as open source if people are interested. I'm not the best PERL scripter in the world but it works. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: licensing *sigh* (was Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for *paging feature)
- Original Message - From: snacktime [EMAIL PROTECTED] At $200 someone might be willing to do the work if they know it's going to be open source, but if it's a work for hire, $200 is extremely paltry. I'm with you on that one. $200 might be an acceptable bounty to give someone a bit of added incentive to contribute something to the community, but if the code is closed source and owned by the purchaser, than $200 won't even buy a day's worth of real coding. If you want to own it, you don't put out a bounty, you're hiring a programmer, and paying appropriately... regards, Paul ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
