Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider?
Don't sweat it - it just so happens that you came into the fray just moments after this list has had a big long drawn out argument about newbie etiquete (sp?). You've just managed to get caught in the middle. Don't let it be indicative of how everyone feels, and don't let it scare you away... :) regards, Paul - Original Message - From: Frank Abernathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'C F' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider? Sorry to have caused such a ruckus. It was not my intent to 'anger' someone with a noob question. I did a look-up on Google, hence me getting the information about this mail list. I am sorry that I am not a Google guru like you, so that my look-up did not get me the information I needed, so that I had to 'bother' an actual person and not some search engine. I guess some people were never noobs. :) Regardless, thank you for your response and information. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C F Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 3:16 PM To: Wiley Siler; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider? On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:56:20 -0700, Wiley Siler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't feel I am mistreating you in asking you not to dump on a noob. Even if you do not think he is a noob and he is just lazy. You wrote: Why answer? because I don't want this to happen again. But I dont' care to help him/her or even you. Sorry this should have been: Why answer? because I don't want this to happen again. But I don't mind to help him/her or even you. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 3/9/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 3/9/2005 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider?
Thanks. I am not jilted by any means. But I did not want to cause any problems with the established community. Who knows, I might stick around long enough to stop being such a noob! :) BTW, to ALL that responded to my initial question, Thanks a bunch! Frank... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Fielding Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:44 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider? Don't sweat it - it just so happens that you came into the fray just moments after this list has had a big long drawn out argument about newbie etiquete (sp?). You've just managed to get caught in the middle. Don't let it be indicative of how everyone feels, and don't let it scare you away... :) regards, Paul - Original Message - From: Frank Abernathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'C F' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider? Sorry to have caused such a ruckus. It was not my intent to 'anger' someone with a noob question. I did a look-up on Google, hence me getting the information about this mail list. I am sorry that I am not a Google guru like you, so that my look-up did not get me the information I needed, so that I had to 'bother' an actual person and not some search engine. I guess some people were never noobs. :) Regardless, thank you for your response and information. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C F Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 3:16 PM To: Wiley Siler; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider? On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:56:20 -0700, Wiley Siler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't feel I am mistreating you in asking you not to dump on a noob. Even if you do not think he is a noob and he is just lazy. You wrote: Why answer? because I don't want this to happen again. But I dont' care to help him/her or even you. Sorry this should have been: Why answer? because I don't want this to happen again. But I don't mind to help him/her or even you. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 3/9/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 3/9/2005 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/2005 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider?
I am new to the mailing list, but I am very interested in running my small home business office phone system using Asterisk. However, Broadvoice, a VoIP provider of choice based on my research, is not available in my area. I currently use Vonage VoIP. Their website mentions nothing about being able to link to Asterisk. I was wondering if any US subscribers have been able to configure Vonage with Asterisk. Or if anyone has found Vonage to be a non-compatible provider. TIA! Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 3/9/2005 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider?
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005, Frank Abernathy wrote: I am new to the mailing list, but I am very interested in running my small home business office phone system using Asterisk. However, Broadvoice, a VoIP provider of choice based on my research, is not available in my area. I currently use Vonage VoIP. Their website mentions nothing about being able to link to Asterisk. I was wondering if any US subscribers have been able to configure Vonage with Asterisk. Or if anyone has found Vonage to be a non-compatible provider. The only known (to me) way to connect Asterisk and vonage is to buy their normal service using their provided terminal adapter, and then connect that to a card in the Asterisk box, or to add on a softphone account and feed those credentials to Asterisk so that it can connect with their servers directly. If you go to google and search for asterisk vonage site:lists.digium.com you'll find references to several sample configurations. Greg ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider?
And if getting service is your only concern then look at these Teliax.com Livevoip.com Voipjet.com There are more but those are I can think of right now. W -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Hill Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:02 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider? On Fri, 11 Mar 2005, Frank Abernathy wrote: I am new to the mailing list, but I am very interested in running my small home business office phone system using Asterisk. However, Broadvoice, a VoIP provider of choice based on my research, is not available in my area. I currently use Vonage VoIP. Their website mentions nothing about being able to link to Asterisk. I was wondering if any US subscribers have been able to configure Vonage with Asterisk. Or if anyone has found Vonage to be a non-compatible provider. The only known (to me) way to connect Asterisk and vonage is to buy their normal service using their provided terminal adapter, and then connect that to a card in the Asterisk box, or to add on a softphone account and feed those credentials to Asterisk so that it can connect with their servers directly. If you go to google and search for asterisk vonage site:lists.digium.com you'll find references to several sample configurations. Greg ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider?
It is my understanding that Vonage will provide an ADDITIONAL number that they call a "soft phone" account that can connect to Asterisk. AFAIK, the main account that connects to your ATA has to use that box, so you would need an analog card configured in Asterisk ( FXO ) to use that number. There was some mention of this on the list a week or two ago, and soon the "list police" will yell at you for not searching first through the list archives and the wiki, usually with less than satisfactory results. John Novack Frank Abernathy wrote: I am new to the mailing list, but I am very interested in running my small home business office phone system using Asterisk. However, Broadvoice, a VoIP provider of choice based on my research, is not available in my area. I currently use Vonage VoIP. Their website mentions nothing about being able to link to Asterisk. I was wondering if any US subscribers have been able to configure Vonage with Asterisk. Or if anyone has found Vonage to be a non-compatible provider. TIA! Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 3/9/2005 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider?
i believe that only vonage's softphone can be configured with asterisk. --Dalon On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:33:26 -0600, Frank Abernathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to the mailing list, but I am very interested in running my small home business office phone system using Asterisk. However, Broadvoice, a VoIP provider of choice based on my research, is not available in my area. I currently use Vonage VoIP. Their website mentions nothing about being able to link to Asterisk. I was wondering if any US subscribers have been able to configure Vonage with Asterisk. Or if anyone has found Vonage to be a non-compatible provider. TIA! Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 3/9/2005 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider?
Which happens to not be covered as an unlimited service. You will have to pay for minutes though some are included by default. W -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dalon Westergreen Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:48 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider? i believe that only vonage's softphone can be configured with asterisk. --Dalon On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:33:26 -0600, Frank Abernathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to the mailing list, but I am very interested in running my small home business office phone system using Asterisk. However, Broadvoice, a VoIP provider of choice based on my research, is not available in my area. I currently use Vonage VoIP. Their website mentions nothing about being able to link to Asterisk. I was wondering if any US subscribers have been able to configure Vonage with Asterisk. Or if anyone has found Vonage to be a non-compatible provider. TIA! Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 3/9/2005 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider?
What about a simple search like this in google: vonage site:voip-info.org I think the first hit is what you are looking for. Why burn some electrons on my machine b/c you are lazy? On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:33:26 -0600, Frank Abernathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to the mailing list, but I am very interested in running my small home business office phone system using Asterisk. However, Broadvoice, a VoIP provider of choice based on my research, is not available in my area. I currently use Vonage VoIP. Their website mentions nothing about being able to link to Asterisk. I was wondering if any US subscribers have been able to configure Vonage with Asterisk. Or if anyone has found Vonage to be a non-compatible provider. TIA! Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 3/9/2005 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider?
Frank Abernathy wrote: I am new to the mailing list, but I am very interested in running my small home business office phone system using Asterisk. However, Broadvoice, a VoIP provider of choice based on my research, is not available in my area. I currently use Vonage VoIP. Their website mentions nothing about being able to link to Asterisk. I was wondering if any US subscribers have been able to configure Vonage with Asterisk. Or if anyone has found Vonage to be a non-compatible provider. When I spoke to them, the only help I got was to plug their device into an fxo port on the asterisk server and use it just as you would a pots line. wasn't what I was looking for. g ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider?
Why answer if you are bothered? Isn't that just burning more of those electrons of yours? 8) People get stuck on things and need a hand. Doesn't mean they are lazy by default. They just don't know better. In this case, it is a good chance to direct him to other providers who do what he wants. That strengthens the providers, strengthens the market for voip, and that will improve things for ALL voip users. Why ot just drop the hint for how the user can get things they want and let them learn. Todays noob is tomorrows Asterisk contributor. Like mama said, if you don't have anything nice to say, you should not say anything at all. At least that is how I feel about noobs and silly questions. Cheers, Wiley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C F Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 12:17 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider? What about a simple search like this in google: vonage site:voip-info.org I think the first hit is what you are looking for. Why burn some electrons on my machine b/c you are lazy? On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:33:26 -0600, Frank Abernathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to the mailing list, but I am very interested in running my small home business office phone system using Asterisk. However, Broadvoice, a VoIP provider of choice based on my research, is not available in my area. I currently use Vonage VoIP. Their website mentions nothing about being able to link to Asterisk. I was wondering if any US subscribers have been able to configure Vonage with Asterisk. Or if anyone has found Vonage to be a non-compatible provider. TIA! Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 3/9/2005 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider?
Configuring asterisk for vonage isn't actually a piece of cake. Here is my
config (had to combine several different sample config's from internet to get
smething to work):
Of course, the number and password has been changed to protect the innocent...
register = {phone#}:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:5061/incoming
[sphone.vopr.vonage.net]
secret = {password}
username = {phone#}
insecure = very
disallow = all
allow = ulaw
port = 5061
host = sphone.vopr.vonage.net
nat = yes
type = peer
canreinvite = no
dtmfmode = rfc2833
fromuser = {phone#}
context = incoming
Note that this works only on softphone lines, which you can only order after
you're already paying for the main service (ata).
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of C F
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 2:17 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider?
What about a simple search like this in google:
vonage site:voip-info.org
I think the first hit is what you are looking for. Why burn some
electrons on my machine b/c you are lazy?
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:33:26 -0600, Frank Abernathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am new to the mailing list, but I am very interested in running my small
home business office phone system using Asterisk. However, Broadvoice, a
VoIP provider of choice based on my research, is not available in my area.
I currently use Vonage VoIP. Their website mentions nothing about being
able to link to Asterisk. I was wondering if any US subscribers have been
able to configure Vonage with Asterisk. Or if anyone has found Vonage to be
a non-compatible provider.
TIA!
Frank
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider?
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:34:04 -0700, Wiley Siler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why answer? because I don't want this to happen again. But I dont' care to help him/her or even you. If the answer is as close to someone as a single line in google, I don't understand why this is called giving a hand? this will just teach some ppl to be ever more lazy. Why answer if you are bothered? Isn't that just burning more of those electrons of yours? 8) Burning more electrons. Nope, maybe he/she and you will learn for next time, so I saved those electrons. Now don't ask me if I'm burning more electrons now. I dont' think so look above. People get stuck on things and need a hand. Doesn't mean they are lazy by default. If all they had to do is search for vonage on voip-info.org and there it is, then it does mean that they are lazy. They just don't know better. They don't know better? I think they do. How did they get to this list then? In this case, it is a good chance to direct him to other providers who do what he wants. He doesn't want other providers he want vonage, and vonage does it. (you are also one of those lazy ones, you didn't even search it on voip-info.org). That strengthens the providers, strengthens the market for voip, and that will improve things for ALL voip users. I can't agree more with you, and thats exactly why vonage offers it. Hopefuly because vonage offers it, broadvoice will start offering it in his area soon. Why ot just drop the hint for how the user can get things they want and let them learn. That's exactly what I did. As well as asked that person to please search first. Todays noob is tomorrows Asterisk contributor. Like mama said, if you don't have anything nice to say, you should not say anything at all. I did, I tought him how to use google for a specific site (BTW, you can do the same thing from within voip-info.org, thats how their search tool works). At least that is how I feel about noobs and silly questions. This has nothing to do with noobs and/or silly questions. This has to do with not doing any research but wanting others to do it for you. Cheers, Wiley ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider?
It is MORE than apparent that you do not want to help me. Fortunately, I am not asking for your help. However, if you don't care to answer politely, then why answer at all? Treating people crappy over an email is stupid. Just ignore the noob and move on with your life if you don't want to answer. Regardless, you seriously need to come to terms with the fact that it WILL continue to happen. New users will always equal people without a clue. They will come here not knowing how to do anything or how to find anything. IMPORTANT DISTINCTION COMING Whether they stay and become users, contributors, and purchasers of service or equipment has a lot to do with how they are treated at the outset. IMPORTANT DISTINCTION COMPLETE If they do not KNOW that voip-info exists how are they supposed to look there? Because someone found the usergroup from Digium .com, they should know how to use Google to site:lists.digium.com? Or they should automatically know where the Wiki is? I recognize that there are links they could have followed but it is just noobitis. They get overwhelmed or don't know the next move. Or maybe don't know the etiquite. If they are just drifting through and not destined to be users, they will go away. If they are destined to be users, we should shape them into good one. A good teacher would encourages them and move on. Not chastize them. Research is the issue? Then point them to where they should go and let them do it. I agree with your general feelings on when people come here looking for htings they should be able to get themselves. I just don't agree with how to handle it. For you, it would be better for everyone if you just deleted the email and ignored the person. You would be happy and the person who asked could get an answer from someone else. Then we can correct the person so they can be a GOOD submitter to the list. That way we all benefit. Cheers, Wiley -Original Message- From: C F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 12:57 PM To: Wiley Siler; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider? On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:34:04 -0700, Wiley Siler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why answer? because I don't want this to happen again. But I dont' care to help him/her or even you. If the answer is as close to someone as a single line in google, I don't understand why this is called giving a hand? this will just teach some ppl to be ever more lazy. Why answer if you are bothered? Isn't that just burning more of those electrons of yours? 8) Burning more electrons. Nope, maybe he/she and you will learn for next time, so I saved those electrons. Now don't ask me if I'm burning more electrons now. I dont' think so look above. People get stuck on things and need a hand. Doesn't mean they are lazy by default. If all they had to do is search for vonage on voip-info.org and there it is, then it does mean that they are lazy. They just don't know better. They don't know better? I think they do. How did they get to this list then? In this case, it is a good chance to direct him to other providers who do what he wants. He doesn't want other providers he want vonage, and vonage does it. (you are also one of those lazy ones, you didn't even search it on voip-info.org). That strengthens the providers, strengthens the market for voip, and that will improve things for ALL voip users. I can't agree more with you, and thats exactly why vonage offers it. Hopefuly because vonage offers it, broadvoice will start offering it in his area soon. Why ot just drop the hint for how the user can get things they want and let them learn. That's exactly what I did. As well as asked that person to please search first. Todays noob is tomorrows Asterisk contributor. Like mama said, if you don't have anything nice to say, you should not say anything at all. I did, I tought him how to use google for a specific site (BTW, you can do the same thing from within voip-info.org, thats how their search tool works). At least that is how I feel about noobs and silly questions. This has nothing to do with noobs and/or silly questions. This has to do with not doing any research but wanting others to do it for you. Cheers, Wiley ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider?
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:16:23 -0700, Wiley Siler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How is this apparent, I would be glad to help you, when you ask. I know you didn't ask for my help. It is MORE than apparent that you do not want to help me. Fortunately, I am not asking for your help. However, if you don't care to answer politely, then why answer at all? Becuase that person is asking for help. Treating people crappy over an email is stupid. So why are you doing it? Just ignore the noob and move on with your life if you don't want to answer. As I stated before this has nothing to do with the noob. Regardless, you seriously need to come to terms with the fact that it WILL continue to happen. I know it will, but you are not helping anything. New users will always equal people without a clue. This is not true, if the research is done then they will have a clue. They will come here not knowing how to do anything or how to find anything. Then how did they end up here? they got an invite in the post? IMPORTANT DISTINCTION COMING Whether they stay and become users, contributors, and purchasers of service or equipment has a lot to do with how they are treated at the outset. IMPORTANT DISTINCTION COMPLETE This is about the only thing that you wrote that makes me think that maybe I should have not put in the line about being lazy, so that person stays around as a member of this community. But I doubt that this will push him off (after what you wrote for sure not). If they do not KNOW that voip-info exists how are they supposed to look there? Again and again, how did they end up on this list? That's the same way they could find out about the wiki. Because someone found the usergroup from Digium .com, they should know how to use Google to site:lists.digium.com? Or they should automatically know where the Wiki is? I recognize that there are links they could have followed but it is just noobitis. They get overwhelmed or don't know the next move. Or maybe don't know the etiquite. If they are just drifting through and not destined to be users, they will go away. If they are destined to be users, we should shape them into good one. A good teacher would encourages them and move on. Not chastize them. Research is the issue? Then point them to where they should go and let them do it. I agree with your general feelings on when people come here looking for htings they should be able to get themselves. I just don't agree with how to handle it. For you, it would be better for everyone if you just deleted the email and ignored the person. You would be happy and the person who asked could get an answer from someone else. Then we can correct the person so they can be a GOOD submitter to the list. That way we all benefit. Cheers, Wiley ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider?
I don't feel I am mistreating you in asking you not to dump on a noob. Even if you do not think he is a noob and he is just lazy. You wrote: Why answer? because I don't want this to happen again. But I dont' care to help him/her or even you. Maybe that is a mistake in what you wrote. I read that as I don't care to help him or you. Doesn't really matter though. As stated before I was not asking. Nor will I be. I am not making it any better? Beating a dog does not make it stop pissing on the carpet. Taking it outside and teaching it to use the lawn does. Which one of us is beating the dog? Some people get overwhelmed and research is missed. I agree that sometimes it is just sheer laziness but it is a list group for petes sake. It is voluntary and no one is entitled to anything here. No one is entitled to low bandwidth usage. No one is entitled to an answer. Anyone who signs up gets what they get and we can all make it good or bad. If you don't like an email, delete it and move on. If you are concerned with bandwidth usage, unsubscribe. I have seen people complain about bandwidth or post count many times. If anyone is a bandwidth miser then why are they signing up for a mailing list? I never have figured that one out. No one is entitled to a low number of posts that have been vetted for relevence and encompass the requests only the most worthy and learned of Asterisk users. There will be dumb questions, lazy questions, and silly questions. Hell, I just asked a silly question 30 minutes ago. It happens. Bitchslapping the questioner accomplishes nothing. Nothing gets learned other than Wow, those guys are rude. Getting on this site does not equal competency. Many people can make it this far and just need to be taught the etiquette and given the basic tour. Getting frustrated over the extra emails is a waste of time. Regardless, like I said. I want the new guys to learn the ropes and become old guys. In all the most polite ways I mean this. You do your thing. I'll do mine. Which one of us will be helping the community? The dog catcher who wants to euthenize all the noobs. Or The dog trainer that teachs them how to be part of the community? The philisophical ball is in your court, though I would love to just move on and call it good at this point. Cheers, Wiley -Original Message- From: C F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 1:37 PM To: Wiley Siler; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider? On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:16:23 -0700, Wiley Siler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How is this apparent, I would be glad to help you, when you ask. I know you didn't ask for my help. It is MORE than apparent that you do not want to help me. Fortunately, I am not asking for your help. However, if you don't care to answer politely, then why answer at all? Becuase that person is asking for help. Treating people crappy over an email is stupid. So why are you doing it? Just ignore the noob and move on with your life if you don't want to answer. As I stated before this has nothing to do with the noob. Regardless, you seriously need to come to terms with the fact that it WILL continue to happen. I know it will, but you are not helping anything. New users will always equal people without a clue. This is not true, if the research is done then they will have a clue. They will come here not knowing how to do anything or how to find anything. Then how did they end up here? they got an invite in the post? IMPORTANT DISTINCTION COMING Whether they stay and become users, contributors, and purchasers of service or equipment has a lot to do with how they are treated at the outset. IMPORTANT DISTINCTION COMPLETE This is about the only thing that you wrote that makes me think that maybe I should have not put in the line about being lazy, so that person stays around as a member of this community. But I doubt that this will push him off (after what you wrote for sure not). If they do not KNOW that voip-info exists how are they supposed to look there? Again and again, how did they end up on this list? That's the same way they could find out about the wiki. Because someone found the usergroup from Digium .com, they should know how to use Google to site:lists.digium.com? Or they should automatically know where the Wiki is? I recognize that there are links they could have followed but it is just noobitis. They get overwhelmed or don't know the next move. Or maybe don't know the etiquite. If they are just drifting through and not destined to be users, they will go away. If they are destined to be users, we should shape them into good one. A good teacher would encourages them and move on. Not chastize them. Research is the issue? Then point them to where they should go and let them do it. I agree with your general feelings on when people come here
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider?
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:56:20 -0700, Wiley Siler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't feel I am mistreating you in asking you not to dump on a noob. Even if you do not think he is a noob and he is just lazy. You wrote: Why answer? because I don't want this to happen again. But I dont' care to help him/her or even you. Sorry this should have been: Why answer? because I don't want this to happen again. But I don't mind to help him/her or even you. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider?
We've been over that -- could you take it off list, please? -Original Message- From: Wiley Siler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 2:56 PM To: C F; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider? I don't feel I am mistreating you in asking you not to dump on a noob. Even if you do not think he is a noob and he is just lazy. You wrote: Why answer? because I don't want this to happen again. But I dont' care to help him/her or even you. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider?
Sorry to have caused such a ruckus. It was not my intent to 'anger' someone with a noob question. I did a look-up on Google, hence me getting the information about this mail list. I am sorry that I am not a Google guru like you, so that my look-up did not get me the information I needed, so that I had to 'bother' an actual person and not some search engine. I guess some people were never noobs. :) Regardless, thank you for your response and information. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C F Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 3:16 PM To: Wiley Siler; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider? On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:56:20 -0700, Wiley Siler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't feel I am mistreating you in asking you not to dump on a noob. Even if you do not think he is a noob and he is just lazy. You wrote: Why answer? because I don't want this to happen again. But I dont' care to help him/her or even you. Sorry this should have been: Why answer? because I don't want this to happen again. But I don't mind to help him/her or even you. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 3/9/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 3/9/2005 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
OT: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider?
*snipped Taking it outside and teaching it to use the lawn does. *snipped it's the weekend guys, can you guys give it a rest till monday? respectfully ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
