Re: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-16 Thread Eric Bishop
I had the same issue. did you ever find a solution. The Fritz card
worked fine with FC2, but no go with FC3, I think it has to do with
udev.


On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:36:17 +0100, Bruno Hertz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Though you probably won't use them, I'd still like to mention fyi that
 proprietary AVM Fritz PCI Card drivers didn't work for me on FC3. They
 did on Debian Sarge.
 
 Regards, Bruno.
 
 
 On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 19:32 +0200, Shoval Tomer wrote:
  Hi all.
 
  Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system?
 
  I'm not looking to start a distro war, but we just found out that redhat
  9 (and FC 1) don't support SATA drives, and apparently FC 3 does.
 
  We are only familiar with red hat and are in a point in time that
  switching distros is not available.
  The guy installing the system is already on location.
 
  Yes, I know we made a silly mistake. Please help us...
  Thanks.
 
  Shoval
 
 
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-09 Thread Chris Travers
Shoval Tomer wrote:
Hi all.
Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system?
 

Depends.  If you have already chosen FC3, then I would assume that you 
are comfortable with its limitations (services are community rather than 
vendor based, there is a fair bit of experimental software included, 
etc).  These are limitations that cause many people to decide not to use 
FC3 for mission-critical production systems (such as a PBX).  However, 
it depends on your desire to rely on vendor support and long release 
cycles for your production system.  If these are not issues, then there 
is absolutely no reason not to use FC3.

There are some added complexities, such as udev, SE-Linux, etc. which 
can require additional study, but these are comparitively minor, and 
although they add some additional support overhead during the 
installation phase, they have their uses and can be used to create a 
better system.   If you need support for the distro, you can contact any 
number of consultants (my business included) and it will generally be 
supported separately from Asterisk anyway.

I'm not looking to start a distro war, but we just found out that redhat
9 (and FC 1) don't support SATA drives, and apparently FC 3 does.
 

In general, you can do some research on how to get SATA drives to work 
with 2.4 kernels, though it may change how you go about updating your 
system.  I have been very happy with FC3 after the initial learning 
curve, BTW.

We are only familiar with red hat and are in a point in time that
switching distros is not available.
The guy installing the system is already on location.
 

Well, if he gets it running, then you have no reason to migrate :-)  
Some people have had trouble with udev and SE-Linux with various 
services, so just suggesting that getting the system running is the 
hardest part.

Yes, I know we made a silly mistake. Please help us...
Thanks.
Shoval
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-08 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Shoval Tomer wrote:
Hi all.
Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system?
For the same reason you should not use Fedora Core line for ANY 
production system, as it designers intend it to be an experimental 
branch. In particular, FC3 has the NSA's SELinux patches integrated and 
enabled for the first time in any general purpose distro - one day it 
will be a great technology, but do you REALLY want to test this on your 
PBX system?

I'm not looking to start a distro war, but we just found out that redhat
9 (and FC 1) don't support SATA drives, and apparently FC 3 does.
We are only familiar with red hat and are in a point in time that
switching distros is not available.
The guy installing the system is already on location.
Yes, I know we made a silly mistake. Please help us...
I would go with either RedHat Enterprise 3.0 (in case you have the money 
for the support contract and patience to the stupid local marketing 
drones that know nothing from Matrix) or with WhiteBox Enterprise Linux 
(a recompilation of RHEL 3.0 from the same sources minus some 
trademarked pictures and costly support contract) if you don't.

Hope this helps,
Gilad
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[Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-06 Thread Shoval Tomer
Hi all.

Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system?

I'm not looking to start a distro war, but we just found out that redhat
9 (and FC 1) don't support SATA drives, and apparently FC 3 does.

We are only familiar with red hat and are in a point in time that
switching distros is not available.
The guy installing the system is already on location.

Yes, I know we made a silly mistake. Please help us...
Thanks.

Shoval


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-06 Thread Michael Welter
Shoval Tomer wrote:
Hi all.
Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system?
I'm not looking to start a distro war, but we just found out that redhat
9 (and FC 1) don't support SATA drives, and apparently FC 3 does.
If you didn't have a problem with RH9 then why are you concerned about 
FC3?  You can download FC3 from 
http://fedora.redhat.com/download/#download.  Make sure to select the 
link to i386 (32bit) or x86_64 (64bit) as appropriate for your system.

There are four .iso files of 600MB+ plus a rescue file.  Check the 
'md5sum' of each file against the web site.  Then use cdrecord to write 
each file to a CD-ROM.  You can then install FC3 as normal.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-06 Thread Andy Burns
Shoval Tomer wrote:
Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system?
when I tried the X100P drivers on FC3 I had problems with udev, the 
workaround didn't work for me, maybe things have improved since ...
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-06 Thread Michael Welter
Andy Burns wrote:
Shoval Tomer wrote:
Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system?

when I tried the X100P drivers on FC3 I had problems with udev, the 
workaround didn't work for me, maybe things have improved since ...
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In the zaptel directory, find the file README.udev.  Find the # Section 
for zaptel device and take those five lines (KERNEL=...) and stick 
them in the file /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules and then reboot.

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-06 Thread Gary G. Hendershot
 
Try WhiteBox Linux ... It's a freeware clone of Redhat Enterprise Linux ...
Its available for download in ISO CD image form (3 CD's required) ...
Installs and configures just like Redhat ... Am using it now with SATA
drives ... Works well with Asterisk ...  Should be able to find a download
site easily by Googling WhiteBox Linux ...

I have no axe to grind and am not affiliated with ANY particular Linux
distro ... Have tried a lot of them and particularly like Redhat for its
ease of install/configure ... Like you, don't want to get into any distro
wars as its counterproductive ... If you know Redhat and need to download a
distro that is similar and will not get you into license trouble, try
WhiteBox ... While not right for everyone, it may be just what you are
looking for ...

G.Hendershot



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Subject: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

Hi all.

Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system?

I'm not looking to start a distro war, but we just found out that redhat
9 (and FC 1) don't support SATA drives, and apparently FC 3 does.

We are only familiar with red hat and are in a point in time that switching
distros is not available.
The guy installing the system is already on location.

Yes, I know we made a silly mistake. Please help us...
Thanks.

Shoval




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Re: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-06 Thread Raymond McKay
In the zaptel directory, find the file README.udev.  Find the # 
Section for zaptel device and take those five lines (KERNEL=...) and 
stick them in the file /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules and then 
reboot.

If it helps any, I have Asterisk Running on FC3 with no issues.  The 
udev thing was initially tricky for me, but I'm used to it now.

Raymond McKay
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-06 Thread Andy Burns
Michael Welter wrote:
In the zaptel directory, find the file README.udev.  Find the # Section 
for zaptel device and take those five lines (KERNEL=...) and stick 
them in the file /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules and then reboot.
Thanks for the reply, but as I mentioned those didn't work for me :-(
I've not given up yet, will probably pick it up again in a week or two.
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-06 Thread Michael Welter
Raymond McKay wrote:
If it helps any, I have Asterisk Running on FC3 with no issues.  The 
udev thing was initially tricky for me, but I'm used to it now.

Same here.  And Critch says that, if you're not sure about the RH kernel 
patches, just download the vanilla kernel from http://kernel.org.

Mike
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-06 Thread Michael Welter
Andy Burns wrote:
Michael Welter wrote:
In the zaptel directory, find the file README.udev.  Find the # 
Section for zaptel device and take those five lines (KERNEL=...) and 
stick them in the file /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules and then reboot.

Thanks for the reply, but as I mentioned those didn't work for me :-(
I've not given up yet, will probably pick it up again in a week or two.
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'ls /dev/zap' shows me the Zap channel numbers as well as channel, ctl, 
pseudo, and timer.  Do you see it in your /dev/zap directory?

Check your 'udev' directory.  Are they there?  If so create a symbolic 
link from /dev/zap to /udev/zap.

Mike
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-06 Thread Walt Reed
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 01:08:06PM -0500, Gary G. Hendershot said:
  
 Try WhiteBox Linux ... It's a freeware clone of Redhat Enterprise Linux ...
 Its available for download in ISO CD image form (3 CD's required) ...
 Installs and configures just like Redhat ... Am using it now with SATA
 drives ... Works well with Asterisk ...  Should be able to find a download
 site easily by Googling WhiteBox Linux ...

Only problem with Whitebox is that it's one guy maintaining it, and
updates are not recent. CentOS is another good alternative of you want
to stick with the RHEL line. Much larger support community. FYI, I had
been running WB on a couple servers and upgraded to CentOS on the fly
with Yum (instructions are available on how to do this - google is your
friend :-)
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-06 Thread Leif Madsen
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:32:24 +0200, Shoval Tomer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system?
 
 I'm not looking to start a distro war, but we just found out that redhat
 9 (and FC 1) don't support SATA drives, and apparently FC 3 does.
 
 We are only familiar with red hat and are in a point in time that
 switching distros is not available.
 The guy installing the system is already on location.
 
 Yes, I know we made a silly mistake. Please help us...
 Thanks.

I'm not too sure what you want help with.  You say that you are stuck
to using FC3 because earlier versions don't support SATA drives? 
Could you use an older version and recompile the SATA drive support
into the kernel?  What about FC2 as it's 2.6 kernel based?

If you can't switch distributions because you don't know any other
distro's, and you don't have time to learn another one, I don't know
what you want people to say?  There is no solution to your problem as
you've set some very strict limits.

Looks like you are stuck at taking the risk of using FC3 in
production.  I've never used it in production, but hey, enjoy! :)

Thanks,
Leif Madsen - not sure what to answer with.
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-06 Thread Bruno Hertz

Though you probably won't use them, I'd still like to mention fyi that
proprietary AVM Fritz PCI Card drivers didn't work for me on FC3. They
did on Debian Sarge.

Regards, Bruno.


On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 19:32 +0200, Shoval Tomer wrote:
 Hi all.
 
 Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system?
 
 I'm not looking to start a distro war, but we just found out that redhat
 9 (and FC 1) don't support SATA drives, and apparently FC 3 does.
 
 We are only familiar with red hat and are in a point in time that
 switching distros is not available.
 The guy installing the system is already on location.
 
 Yes, I know we made a silly mistake. Please help us...
 Thanks.
 
 Shoval
 
 
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-06 Thread Walt Reed
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 01:35:16PM -0500, Leif Madsen said:
 On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:32:24 +0200, Shoval Tomer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system?
  
  I'm not looking to start a distro war, but we just found out that redhat
  9 (and FC 1) don't support SATA drives, and apparently FC 3 does.
  
  We are only familiar with red hat and are in a point in time that
  switching distros is not available.
  The guy installing the system is already on location.
  
  Yes, I know we made a silly mistake. Please help us...
  Thanks.
 
 I'm not too sure what you want help with.  You say that you are stuck
 to using FC3 because earlier versions don't support SATA drives? 
 Could you use an older version and recompile the SATA drive support
 into the kernel?  What about FC2 as it's 2.6 kernel based?

Another option is installing a good SATA controller like the 3ware.
Drives show up as SCSI, and even fairly old distro's work out of the box
with them. Most onboard controllers are pretty crappy - avoid Promise
and their fake RAID.
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-06 Thread C F
I just deployed an * system using FC3 and it is woking nicely for 1
and half weeks without a restart. this is what I get running uptime:
 13:50:44 up 10 days, 23:23,  1 user,  load average: 0.01, 0.01, 0.00
I'm using it with the follwing:
Apache, for flash op
TFTP, for cisco phones.
and a digium tdm400
You shouldn't have any problems.
Hatzlacha.
 


On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:32:24 +0200, Shoval Tomer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all.
 
 Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system?
 
 I'm not looking to start a distro war, but we just found out that redhat
 9 (and FC 1) don't support SATA drives, and apparently FC 3 does.
 
 We are only familiar with red hat and are in a point in time that
 switching distros is not available.
 The guy installing the system is already on location.
 
 Yes, I know we made a silly mistake. Please help us...
 Thanks.
 
 Shoval
 
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-06 Thread Michael Welter
Walt Reed wrote:
Another option is installing a good SATA controller like the 3ware.
Drives show up as SCSI, and even fairly old distro's work out of the box
with them. Most onboard controllers are pretty crappy - avoid Promise
and their fake RAID.
Don't the SATA drives also show-up as SCSI devices?  I don't recall 
having any problems with SATA drives.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-06 Thread timebandit001
I have * working on FC2 with SATA drives.

I would wait to go FC3 untill it matures a bit.

Hope this help

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:32:24 +0200, Shoval Tomer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all.
 
 Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system?
 
 I'm not looking to start a distro war, but we just found out that redhat
 9 (and FC 1) don't support SATA drives, and apparently FC 3 does.
 
 We are only familiar with red hat and are in a point in time that
 switching distros is not available.
 The guy installing the system is already on location.
 
 Yes, I know we made a silly mistake. Please help us...
 Thanks.
 
 Shoval
 
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-06 Thread Shoval Tomer
First of all, 
Thanks to all of you who replied to my post.

I have tried setting up FC 3 on a system here to check if asterisk
compiles OK (even though I have no Digium hardware here) and to save
time for the guy on site later.

Installing FC 3 is simple, very much like other red hat versions.

I got asterisk 1.0.3 tar balls from asterisk.org and compiled them.

No error, no glitch, no nothing.

Asterisk loads ok, with no errors.

Tests with sip and iax softphones are ok.

I'll let you know later on how it went on site with Digium hardware
installation.

Thanks again for all you help.
Shoval.

BTW, my intention was to use SATA drives and Linux software RAID, not
any onboard SATA RAID controllers, cause there isn't one in the system.

Sorry for not clarifying that earlier.

Cheers.


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-06 Thread Walt Reed
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 12:03:32PM -0700, Michael Welter said:
 Walt Reed wrote:
 
 Another option is installing a good SATA controller like the 3ware.
 Drives show up as SCSI, and even fairly old distro's work out of the box
 with them. Most onboard controllers are pretty crappy - avoid Promise
 and their fake RAID.
 
 Don't the SATA drives also show-up as SCSI devices?  I don't recall 
 having any problems with SATA drives.

It's not the drives, it's the controller and the drivers that are the
big issue. When the linux drivers talk to a normal SATA controller, they
don't see SCSI drives out there, but they present them as SCSI to the
next layer in the OS.

3ware controllers have a unified driver model. Raidsets show up as scsi
drives to the linux driver, no matter which card and drive technology
you use (IDE, or SATA.)

Promise controllers on the other hand seem to need totally new drivers
with each sub revision. Bah!

Most SATA controllers need libata (in 2.4) to work. 3ware controllers do
not.

Hope this helps someone...
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-06 Thread Howard Lowndes
On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 06:25, Patrick Conroy wrote:
  Hi all.
  
  Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system?
  
  I'm not looking to start a distro war, but we just found out that redhat
  9 (and FC 1) don't support SATA drives, and apparently FC 3 does.
  
  We are only familiar with red hat and are in a point in time that
  switching distros is not available.
  The guy installing the system is already on location.
  
  Yes, I know we made a silly mistake. Please help us...
  Thanks.
 
 Shoval,
 
 I am using FC2 on a production asterisk server and it supports our
 SATA controller.  I have FC2 running on a few servers and haven't had
 any major problems with them.  I don't have any experience with FC3,
 but quite a few people seem to have had negative experiences with the
 Fedora Core implementations in general.  If you would like to stick to
 the Red Hat line, you may want to consider one of the distros based on
 Red Hat Enterprise Linux, such as Tao Linux (http://taolinux.org/).  I
 haven't used it personally, but I am planning on putting it on a test
 box to try it out.

I have it running on a FC2 box and on a FC3 box - no probs.

I have just found out why my S100U adaptor won't work though. 
Apparently the S100U driver (wcusb) won't work on 2.6.x kernels, only
2.4.x... Bummer.

 
 Hope this helps,
 Patrick
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-06 Thread jeff jones
On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 07:41 +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote:
 I have it running on a FC2 box and on a FC3 box - no probs.
 
 I have just found out why my S100U adaptor won't work though. 
 Apparently the S100U driver (wcusb) won't work on 2.6.x kernels, only
 2.4.x... Bummer.

Hello,

I saw that you have * running on fc3. Which kernel? I had it running on
the older kernels, but not on 2.6.9-1.724_FC3smp. Did you have to do
anything special besides the udev stuff? Any info or links would be
great

zaptel build bombs on me...

/usr/src/zaptel/wcfxs.c: In function `wcfxs_interrupt':
/usr/src/zaptel/wcfxs.c:473: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in
call to 'wcfxs_proslic_check_hook': function body not available
/usr/src/zaptel/wcfxs.c:810: sorry, unimplemented: called from here
/usr/src/zaptel/wcfxs.c:474: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in
call to 'wcfxs_proslic_recheck_sanity': function body not available
/usr/src/zaptel/wcfxs.c:812: sorry, unimplemented: called from here
/usr/src/zaptel/wcfxs.c:472: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in
call to 'wcfxs_voicedaa_check_hook': function body not available
/usr/src/zaptel/wcfxs.c:814: sorry, unimplemented: called from here
/usr/src/zaptel/wcfxs.c: At top level:
/usr/src/zaptel/wcfxs.c:2182: warning: `MODULE_PARM_' is deprecated
(declared at include/linux/module.h:552)
/usr/src/zaptel/wcfxs.c:2183: warning: `MODULE_PARM_' is deprecated
(declared at include/linux/module.h:552)
/usr/src/zaptel/wcfxs.c:2184: warning: `MODULE_PARM_' is deprecated
(declared at include/linux/module.h:552)
/usr/src/zaptel/wcfxs.c:2185: warning: `MODULE_PARM_' is deprecated
(declared at include/linux/module.h:552)
/usr/src/zaptel/wcfxs.c:2186: warning: `MODULE_PARM_' is deprecated
(declared at include/linux/module.h:552)
/usr/src/zaptel/wcfxs.c:2187: warning: `MODULE_PARM_' is deprecated
(declared at include/linux/module.h:552)
/usr/src/zaptel/wcfxs.c:2188: warning: `MODULE_PARM_' is deprecated
(declared at include/linux/module.h:552)
/usr/src/zaptel/wcfxs.c:2189: warning: `MODULE_PARM_' is deprecated
(declared at include/linux/module.h:552)
/usr/src/zaptel/wcfxs.c:2190: warning: `MODULE_PARM_' is deprecated
(declared at include/linux/module.h:552)
make[2]: *** [/usr/src/zaptel/wcfxs.o] Error 1
make[1]: *** [_module_/usr/src/zaptel] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/lib/modules/2.6.9-1.724_FC3smp/build'
make: *** [linux26] Error 2

Thanks,
Jeff

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent

2005-01-06 Thread Leif Madsen
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:06:53 -0500, jeff jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I saw that you have * running on fc3. Which kernel? I had it running on
 the older kernels, but not on 2.6.9-1.724_FC3smp. Did you have to do
 anything special besides the udev stuff? Any info or links would be
 great
 
 zaptel build bombs on me...
 /usr/src/zaptel/wcfxs.c:2190: warning: `MODULE_PARM_' is deprecated
 (declared at include/linux/module.h:552)
 make[2]: *** [/usr/src/zaptel/wcfxs.o] Error 1
 make[1]: *** [_module_/usr/src/zaptel] Error 2
 make[1]: Leaving directory `/lib/modules/2.6.9-1.724_FC3smp/build'
 make: *** [linux26] Error 2

Actually, I saw this same error yesterday.  Its specifically the wcfxs
module not compiling correctly.  If you remove the wcfxs from MODULES
line in the Makefile, it should compile.  If however you NEED wcfxs,
not sure what to tell you at this point as I haven't debugged it far
enough yet.

Leif Madsen.
http://www.leifmadsen.com
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