Re: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE
Tony Mountifield wrote: snip / Does anyone know what it would take to make the GUI compatible with IE as well as FF? That's a big question. There are *so many* inconsistencies with IE. See http://www.positioniseverything.net/ for a good accumulated list of many of the bugs and hacks to try and fix it. Good designers can usually avoid most of the pitfalls but there comes a time when you just have to code around it... Not having used AsteriskNow I don't know the real issues but I'm sure there is a good reason for not trying to accommodate IE. Firefox is free, your customer would probably only need it on one or two machines at the most, and, if they are going with Asterisk, then there shouldn't be any ethical resistance against using OSS - as long as they know * is OSS I guess... Cheers Al -- The way out is open! http://www.theopensourcerer.com ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE
You could always ask IE to emulate firefox ;) Sorry, couldn't resist ... Julian Tony Mountifield wrote: When I bring up the Asterisk GUI in AsteriskNOW, using IE7, it displays a message at the top Your browser is not supported by this version of GUI!, and We recommend using Firefox. Does this mean that it is known NOT to work under IE7, or just that it is insufficiently tested to be guaranteed? It's easy to ask techies to use Firefox, but if we are trying to sell a system to a customer who always uses IE, it is a bit of a negative point to tell him, oh, by the way, you have to download Firefox onto your PC, because this doesn't work with IE. OK, while typing this, I tried logging in via IE, which worked, and then displayed the navigation down the left side. However, after clicking on Users, the Loading screen. message just stayed up forever, and nothing was shown in the main pane. So there is definitely something wrong with IE compatibility. Does anyone know what it would take to make the GUI compatible with IE as well as FF? Cheers Tony ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE
When I bring up the Asterisk GUI in AsteriskNOW, using IE7, it displays a message at the top Your browser is not supported by this version of GUI!, and We recommend using Firefox. Does this mean that it is known NOT to work under IE7, or just that it is insufficiently tested to be guaranteed? It's easy to ask techies to use Firefox, but if we are trying to sell a system to a customer who always uses IE, it is a bit of a negative point to tell him, oh, by the way, you have to download Firefox onto your PC, because this doesn't work with IE. OK, while typing this, I tried logging in via IE, which worked, and then displayed the navigation down the left side. However, after clicking on Users, the Loading screen. message just stayed up forever, and nothing was shown in the main pane. So there is definitely something wrong with IE compatibility. Does anyone know what it would take to make the GUI compatible with IE as well as FF? Cheers Tony -- Tony Mountifield Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.softins.co.uk Play: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://tony.mountifield.org ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE
asterisk-gui or not i always tell my client from a security stand point ie is not a safe browser and recommend they migrate to firefox. most do so willingly due to growing security concerns On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Alan Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tony Mountifield wrote: snip / Does anyone know what it would take to make the GUI compatible with IE as well as FF? That's a big question. There are *so many* inconsistencies with IE. See http://www.positioniseverything.net/ for a good accumulated list of many of the bugs and hacks to try and fix it. Good designers can usually avoid most of the pitfalls but there comes a time when you just have to code around it... Not having used AsteriskNow I don't know the real issues but I'm sure there is a good reason for not trying to accommodate IE. Firefox is free, your customer would probably only need it on one or two machines at the most, and, if they are going with Asterisk, then there shouldn't be any ethical resistance against using OSS - as long as they know * is OSS I guess... Cheers Al -- The way out is open! http://www.theopensourcerer.com ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE
2008/4/3, Outback Dingo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: asterisk-gui or not i always tell my client from a security stand point ie is not a safe browser and recommend they migrate to firefox. most do so willingly due to growing security concerns Maybe but as OP's question remains unanswered : Tony, have you tried IE 8 beta ? The warning message should remain but I heard IE 8 standard compliance improved a lot ... My 2 cents ... ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE
On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 10:53:24AM +0100, Alan Lord wrote: Tony Mountifield wrote: snip / Does anyone know what it would take to make the GUI compatible with IE as well as FF? That's a big question. There are *so many* inconsistencies with IE. See http://www.positioniseverything.net/ for a good accumulated list of many of the bugs and hacks to try and fix it. I'm sure people of Mozilla foundation, Opera and Apple would appreciate it on your part. However, MSIE is still the default browser installed on most systems. The point of a web GUI is to work out of the box without requirring installation of additional software. I'm not a great MSIE fan myself. I know that even IE7 is a, well, hmm..., challange, to web developers. But still, not supporting it is a showstopper for me. I'd be equally annoyed if Firefox wasn't supported. BTW: it seams that konqueror 3.5.8 does work well. Likewise iceape (seamonkey) 1.1.8. Both on my Debian Lenny workstation. -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +972-50-7952406 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xorcom.com iax:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/tzafrir ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE
Olivier wrote: Maybe but as OP's question remains unanswered : Tony, have you tried IE 8 beta ? The warning message should remain but I heard IE 8 standard compliance improved a lot ... The current AsteriskGUI (in AsteriskNOW) has a large number of problems with IE (all versions) and is unlikely to be usable, which is why that warning message appears. However, there is a new version of the GUI in the works that has been rewritten from the ground up and was written in a way to no longer have these problems; it is not yet ready for release but should see the light of day in the near future. It has been heavily tested against many browsers, including IE7 and works well in all of them. -- Kevin P. Fleming Director of Software Technologies Digium, Inc. - The Genuine Asterisk Experience (TM) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE
It might be worth pointing out too that you can't use Firefox 2.x on OS X. I had to solely use Ff on Win2k to do anything at all with the GUI. I hadn't tried linux. YMMV. peter ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE
Tony Mountifield wrote: When I bring up the Asterisk GUI in AsteriskNOW, using IE7, it displays a message at the top Your browser is not supported by this version of GUI!, and We recommend using Firefox. Does this mean that it is known NOT to work under IE7, or just that it is insufficiently tested to be guaranteed? It's easy to ask techies to use Firefox, but if we are trying to sell a system to a customer who always uses IE, it is a bit of a negative point to tell him, oh, by the way, you have to download Firefox onto your PC, because this doesn't work with IE. I trick(?) used at a place I worked for was to install Firefox and make a desktop shortcut to it for the GUI. The interesting part was that once the users got using Firefox and realized it did browsing better (mostly using tabs) they converted to Firefox. IE was still on the desktop because they had to support a lot of customers that used IE but for in-house stuff it slowly became a Firefox place. Rod -- OK, while typing this, I tried logging in via IE, which worked, and then displayed the navigation down the left side. However, after clicking on Users, the Loading screen. message just stayed up forever, and nothing was shown in the main pane. So there is definitely something wrong with IE compatibility. Does anyone know what it would take to make the GUI compatible with IE as well as FF? Cheers Tony ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roderick A. Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tony Mountifield wrote: When I bring up the Asterisk GUI in AsteriskNOW, using IE7, it displays a message at the top Your browser is not supported by this version of GUI!, and We recommend using Firefox. Does this mean that it is known NOT to work under IE7, or just that it is insufficiently tested to be guaranteed? It's easy to ask techies to use Firefox, but if we are trying to sell a system to a customer who always uses IE, it is a bit of a negative point to tell him, oh, by the way, you have to download Firefox onto your PC, because this doesn't work with IE. I trick(?) used at a place I worked for was to install Firefox and make a desktop shortcut to it for the GUI. The interesting part was that once the users got using Firefox and realized it did browsing better (mostly using tabs) they converted to Firefox. IE was still on the desktop because they had to support a lot of customers that used IE but for in-house stuff it slowly became a Firefox place. I like it - a bit of social engineering! Thanks to all for the responses on this thread, and to Kevin for the info about there being an upcoming new GUI. I'll watch with interest - I've just subscribed to asterisk-gui, so I assume info will be forthcoming on there. Cheers Tony -- Tony Mountifield Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.softins.co.uk Play: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://tony.mountifield.org ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE
On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 06:06:19AM -0700, Roderick A. Anderson wrote: IE was still on the desktop because they had to support a lot of customers that used IE but for in-house stuff it slowly became a Firefox place. That's no excuse. That's what IETab's for. -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +972-50-7952406 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xorcom.com iax:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/tzafrir ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE
To the Asterisk community, Well this is as good a time to break cover as any, officially our launch date isn't until next Wednesday the 9th of April, but based on this discussion I feel that we have to comment. We are going to announce CogoBlue, the 3rd generation of Asterisk GUI tools (well I guess we are announcing it now :) www.CogoBlue.com is a true Drag and Drop Asterisk gui available on a family of ISPBX appliances for small to medium businesses. For the first time people installing these ip-pbx appliances can quickly implement an entire pbx installation without the need for manual conf file editing. Using a visual display to implement call flow and processing is just a smarter, faster (and more profitable) way to implement Asterisk installations. With regards to ie7. The asterisk community has evolved from a clique of linux guru's hand editing .conf files into a mainstream business tool. Now while - everyone loves to prove how macho they are by coding in Vi using elaborate call routing code routines from memoryour customers aren't that market any more. Ie7 has 22% of the browser market (and probably higher in the commercial non-consumer space). It is no longer an option to tell 1/5th of your customers, that to use our appliance you have to change your browser (which is why Kevin from Digium jumped in so quickly to explain that a new groud up version is being built right now to support ie7). As the Asterisk community becomes more mature, with more and more mainstream customers getting involved with this fantastic technology, it's time to realize not everyone wants to climb a steep learning curve to use our tools. We can still code our own home systems on beta code running all the latest test code but we also have to understand that real business is about stability and efficiency and being able to work within your client's requirements..even if they run ie7 :) Regards, John Signorello [EMAIL PROTECTED] ispbx.com (866) GO ISPBX ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 06:06:19AM -0700, Roderick A. Anderson wrote: IE was still on the desktop because they had to support a lot of customers that used IE but for in-house stuff it slowly became a Firefox place. That's no excuse. That's what IETab's for. This was two+plus years ago. As I remember IE didn't get usable TABs until a little over a year ago. Probably my bad memory as I only do Windows when under duress. :-) Rod -- ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE
Hi John, I think my history is well documented within the asterisk community that moving Asterisk out of the geek zone and into the mainstream business space is good for everyone. It's good for customers, and it's good for programmers looking for funding for the next generation of Asterisk tools and applications. Quick question though - whose boxes do you install on and is CogoBlue available as a standalone application and how do dealers get involved (and also what price points)? Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Signorello Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2008 10:33 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE To the Asterisk community, Well this is as good a time to break cover as any, officially our launch date isn't until next Wednesday the 9th of April, but based on this discussion I feel that we have to comment. We are going to announce CogoBlue, the 3rd generation of Asterisk GUI tools (well I guess we are announcing it now :) www.CogoBlue.com is a true Drag and Drop Asterisk gui available on a family of ISPBX appliances for small to medium businesses. For the first time people installing these ip-pbx appliances can quickly implement an entire pbx installation without the need for manual conf file editing. Using a visual display to implement call flow and processing is just a smarter, faster (and more profitable) way to implement Asterisk installations. With regards to ie7. The asterisk community has evolved from a clique of linux guru's hand editing .conf files into a mainstream business tool. Now while - everyone loves to prove how macho they are by coding in Vi using elaborate call routing code routines from memoryour customers aren't that market any more. Ie7 has 22% of the browser market (and probably higher in the commercial non-consumer space). It is no longer an option to tell 1/5th of your customers, that to use our appliance you have to change your browser (which is why Kevin from Digium jumped in so quickly to explain that a new groud up version is being built right now to support ie7). As the Asterisk community becomes more mature, with more and more mainstream customers getting involved with this fantastic technology, it's time to realize not everyone wants to climb a steep learning curve to use our tools. We can still code our own home systems on beta code running all the latest test code but we also have to understand that real business is about stability and efficiency and being able to work within your client's requirements..even if they run ie7 :) Regards, John Signorello [EMAIL PROTECTED] ispbx.com (866) GO ISPBX ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE
Dean: CogoBlue is currently only available on ISPBX's line of PBX appliances. You can check out the hardware specs on http://ispbx.com/product_matrix.shtml We are growing our distribution channel and are actively looking for qualified dealers to join us. Potential dealers wanting more information should drop me an email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our entry level PBX, Model 500, has a MSRP under $1200 We have an aggressive dealer discount program. Let's be frank, there is a lot of nice hardware out there. But, what sets us apart from the pack is CogoBlue. We took a radically different direction in providing a rich, visual model for configuring your PBX. You really have to see it to appreciate it. We assembled a series of flash movies that show CogoBlue in action: http://cogoblue.com/supportcogo_help.shtml regards, John Signorello [EMAIL PROTECTED] cogoblue.com ispbx.com (866) GO ISPBX Dean Collins wrote: Hi John, I think my history is well documented within the asterisk community that moving Asterisk out of the geek zone and into the mainstream business space is good for everyone. It's good for customers, and it's good for programmers looking for funding for the next generation of Asterisk tools and applications. Quick question though - whose boxes do you install on and is CogoBlue available as a standalone application and how do dealers get involved (and also what price points)? Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Signorello Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2008 10:33 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE To the Asterisk community, Well this is as good a time to break cover as any, officially our launch date isn't until next Wednesday the 9th of April, but based on this discussion I feel that we have to comment. We are going to announce CogoBlue, the 3rd generation of Asterisk GUI tools (well I guess we are announcing it now :) www.CogoBlue.com is a true Drag and Drop Asterisk gui available on a family of ISPBX appliances for small to medium businesses. For the first time people installing these ip-pbx appliances can quickly implement an entire pbx installation without the need for manual conf file editing. Using a visual display to implement call flow and processing is just a smarter, faster (and more profitable) way to implement Asterisk installations. With regards to ie7. The asterisk community has evolved from a clique of linux guru's hand editing .conf files into a mainstream business tool. Now while - everyone loves to prove how macho they are by coding in Vi using elaborate call routing code routines from memoryour customers aren't that market any more. Ie7 has 22% of the browser market (and probably higher in the commercial non-consumer space). It is no longer an option to tell 1/5th of your customers, that to use our appliance you have to change your browser (which is why Kevin from Digium jumped in so quickly to explain that a new groud up version is being built right now to support ie7). As the Asterisk community becomes more mature, with more and more mainstream customers getting involved with this fantastic technology, it's time to realize not everyone wants to climb a steep learning curve to use our tools. We can still code our own home systems on beta code running all the latest test code but we also have to understand that real business is about stability and efficiency and being able to work within your client's requirements..even if they run ie7 :) Regards, John Signorello [EMAIL PROTECTED] ispbx.com (866) GO ISPBX ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE
On Thursday 03 April 2008 10:56:30 John Signorello wrote: CogoBlue is currently only available on ISPBX's line of PBX appliances. You can check out the hardware specs on http://ispbx.com/product_matrix.shtml Now that you've announced your product, could you please move this discussion to the -biz list? As specified in the title of this list, this list is about NON-commercial discussion. -- Tilghman ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE
Lol and Asterisk NOW isn't a commercial product - The list nazi's are out today. Personally I'm ok with people announcing commercial products once and once only on the user list and then taking it over to the biz list after that as not everyone is a subscriber to the biz list. Anyway - looks like a cool product. Good luck with it, will be interesting to see how this goes for you especially as Voiceroute is also out their competing with their druid gui they just announced a few weeks ago as well. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tilghman Lesher Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2008 12:50 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE On Thursday 03 April 2008 10:56:30 John Signorello wrote: CogoBlue is currently only available on ISPBX's line of PBX appliances. You can check out the hardware specs on http://ispbx.com/product_matrix.shtml Now that you've announced your product, could you please move this discussion to the -biz list? As specified in the title of this list, this list is about NON-commercial discussion. -- Tilghman ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] AsteriskNOW and IE
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 09:39:55 + (UTC), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tony Mountifield) wrote: nothing was shown in the main pane. So there is definitely something wrong with IE compatibility. s/ compatibility// There. I fixed your post :) -- Godwin Stewart - Horwich IT services ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
