Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right now they push the user to buy a 4 channel echo canceller which you can get from Octasic for $40. The card with 4 ports is retail around $640. Err, if you buy a genuine TDM400P (the card we are talking about). Digium offer a free HPEC license. (although HPEC only costs $10/channel). You can get OpenVox or another brand TDM400P compatible for 1/3 of that + $40 for echo canceller. Only for a software Echo Canceller. To compare like with like, a sangoma echo canceller board costs $300, and a Rhino board with echo canceller is $429. (although the rhino one has the line card onboard as well) Now that's a Digium high marigin right there .. someone has to pay the CEO salary and the mortgage for a new building :) And for all the engineers that are working on code that is freely distributed that a lot of us are using without paying for. That reminds me, I wonder if I can find the receipt for my TDMP400 so that I can claim my free license. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production : alternatives??
On Sunday 17 February 2008 04:44:59 Thomas Kenyon wrote: That reminds me, I wonder if I can find the receipt for my TDMP400 so that I can claim my free license. You don't need your receipt, only the serial number off the sticker on the card itself. -- Tilghman ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
I am looking to do just this. An unbiased comparison of hardware. And as much as possible, an unbiased comparison of support. I would like assistance in this regard. I would need help with unbiased testing methodology. I have already had two companies contact me directly offering hardware to use for testing. Any and all manufacturers are welcome to participate. I figure with the help of someone (a respected community member) who knows how to implement objective testing methods, and sticking to those detailed and public methods, we can publish some real comparisons. I know that I may be regarded as a Sangoma Fanboy but I think an unbiased head to head comparison could easily be achieved if all testing methods are neutral, documented, public, and strictly adhered to and done in conjunction with someone who has good testing methods and is truly vendor neutral. Thanks, Steve Totaro On Feb 15, 2008 10:21 PM, shadowym [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a technical comparision. What makes the Rhino better than the Sangoma? On a scale of 1 to 10 I would give Sangoma a 9 for support based on personal experience so I strongly disagree with that part of your argument. -Original Message- From: James Finstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 6:37 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives?? Steve, Yes I work for Rhino that is no Secret. If you read the post I was responding to the thread not pimping my own products. I am not sure if your a Sangoma fanboy or employee since you are apparently offended by my response, however he wasn't asking to be sold to he was asking about specific products. So there it is yes I work for Rhino and I could have easily given one of our italian distributors but he didn't ask for that. It is not appropriate to troll the list and push your products unsolicited. If someone is looking for a recommendation for a card brand fine. If they need a solution like ADID or they need to accommodate funky CPC signals from their telco which Rhino does fine it is on subject. If someone asks should I use openvox to replace my digium you don't pimp your product because it wasn't asked for. If you want my honest opinion. I prefer people use Rhino products. I believe our products and support are superior but if you don't use our cards use Digium. If your reply is any indication on how Sandoma works I can honestly say go use a cheap clone before sangomaN they may not support you but at least they are open about being here just for the money. James Finstrom Rhino Equipment Corp. http://www.rhinoequipment.com -Original Message- From: Steve Totaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:45:50 To:Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussionasterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives?? James, If you were replying to the original post about Openvox or specified that is what you were referring to, maybe I would not take issue but to reply to a suggesting to use Sangoma with what you did is absolutely misleading. There is nothing cheap or clone about Sangoma's cards. asterisk.rhinoequipment.com hm. Thanks, Steve Totaro James Finstrom wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I would say email Kevin what he asked. The problem with switching to a clone company is you get what you pay for. Sticking with Digium you at least have support. and 3 clone cards and hours of troubleshooting later you will wish you hadn't been all cheap. Rob Hillis wrote: The cards themselves are okay, but the extra level of configuration is a pain in the proverbial. Zaptel is already double-configured in both zaptel.conf and zapata.conf (that's not a complaint - I understand the reason for the separation) but the Sangoma cards require a /third/ level of configuration in Wanpipe. Steve Totaro wrote: Sangoma makes a good card. On 2/15/08, Kevin P. Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giorgio Incantalupo wrote: Digium stopped to produce TDM400P and the new TDM410 is too new to find it in our shops. The only alternative available is a fully-compatible Openvox product...but is it really fully-compatible? Any experience about Openvox products (card and zaptel versions, etc...)? Every distributor that carried the TDM400P should have TDM410s in stock already. Where are you located, and who do you buy Digium cards from? -- Kevin P. Fleming Director of Software Technologies Digium, Inc. - The Genuine Asterisk Experience (TM) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman
Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
I have not found this to be so. As an end user, I have had excellent support from Digium on TDM400p. They have been more responsive the several times I had to call. Even cross shipping replacement cards (CC, required, of course). Cannot fault their support at all. joe a. On 2/16/2008 at 12:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are kidding, right ??? A small user that just buys one card won't get a good support from Digium. It'll be just a waste of time on the phone. Practically any manufacturer gives similar support including ssh'ing in the users box. Right now they push the user to buy a 4 channel echo canceller which you can get from Octasic for $40. The card with 4 ports is retail around $640. You can get OpenVox or another brand TDM400P compatible for 1/3 of that + $40 for echo canceller. Now that's a Digium high marigin right there .. someone has to pay the CEO salary and the mortgage for a new building :) cheers On 2/15/08, James Finstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I would say email Kevin what he asked. The problem with switching to a clone company is you get what you pay for. Sticking with Digium you at least have support. and 3 clone cards and hours of troubleshooting later you will wish you hadn't been all cheap. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Friday 15 February 2008 23:53:19 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Practically any manufacturer gives similar support including ssh'ing in the users box. Really? Which manufacturers, specifically, will allow you to call up, get remote assistance, and help you get the card working like this? I'm not the person who wrote the original message, but I do know that Rhino will also ssh into a box if there is a problem. I started using Rhino cards because, at the time, Digium did not offer an analog card with built in echo cancellation. Most of my systems are single PCI setups (so even a separate echo cancellation card that requires a 2nd PCI slot does me no good). Apart from the occasional echo problems (which can be minimized with tuning), the TDM400p was a decent card. I'd buy Digium cards again but as a small business owner, it's much easier to stock replacement parts for one vendor (if someone's phone system goes down, they can't wait a day for replacement parts). I'd also like to know why you're posting anonymously, instead of standing behind your words. Yeah, that annoys the heck out of me too! If you're going to criticize or recommend something post with your real identity. That way people can make a reasonable conclusion on your advice. Who knows...perhaps the Shadow knows [1]. [1]: http://www.mysterynet.com/shadow/ -- Darrick Hartman DJH Solutions, LLC http://www.djhsolutions.com ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
Hi, Digium stopped to produce TDM400P and the new TDM410 is too new to find it in our shops. The only alternative available is a fully-compatible Openvox product...but is it really fully-compatible? Any experience about Openvox products (card and zaptel versions, etc...)? Thank you! Giorgio. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
Giorgio Incantalupo wrote: Digium stopped to produce TDM400P and the new TDM410 is too new to find it in our shops. The only alternative available is a fully-compatible Openvox product...but is it really fully-compatible? Any experience about Openvox products (card and zaptel versions, etc...)? Every distributor that carried the TDM400P should have TDM410s in stock already. Where are you located, and who do you buy Digium cards from? -- Kevin P. Fleming Director of Software Technologies Digium, Inc. - The Genuine Asterisk Experience (TM) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
Sangoma makes a good card. On 2/15/08, Kevin P. Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giorgio Incantalupo wrote: Digium stopped to produce TDM400P and the new TDM410 is too new to find it in our shops. The only alternative available is a fully-compatible Openvox product...but is it really fully-compatible? Any experience about Openvox products (card and zaptel versions, etc...)? Every distributor that carried the TDM400P should have TDM410s in stock already. Where are you located, and who do you buy Digium cards from? -- Kevin P. Fleming Director of Software Technologies Digium, Inc. - The Genuine Asterisk Experience (TM) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
It is fairly easy on a fresh install since the Sangoma ./Setup install script can create all three configuration files for you. Thanks, Steve Totaro On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Rob Hillis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The cards themselves are okay, but the extra level of configuration is a pain in the proverbial. Zaptel is already double-configured in both zaptel.conf and zapata.conf (that's not a complaint - I understand the reason for the separation) but the Sangoma cards require a third level of configuration in Wanpipe. Steve Totaro wrote: Sangoma makes a good card. On 2/15/08, Kevin P. Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giorgio Incantalupo wrote: Digium stopped to produce TDM400P and the new TDM410 is too new to find it in our shops. The only alternative available is a fully-compatible Openvox product...but is it really fully-compatible? Any experience about Openvox products (card and zaptel versions, etc...)? Every distributor that carried the TDM400P should have TDM410s in stock already. Where are you located, and who do you buy Digium cards from? -- Kevin P. Fleming Director of Software Technologies Digium, Inc. - The Genuine Asterisk Experience (TM) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I would say email Kevin what he asked. The problem with switching to a clone company is you get what you pay for. Sticking with Digium you at least have support. and 3 clone cards and hours of troubleshooting later you will wish you hadn't been all cheap. Rob Hillis wrote: The cards themselves are okay, but the extra level of configuration is a pain in the proverbial. Zaptel is already double-configured in both zaptel.conf and zapata.conf (that's not a complaint - I understand the reason for the separation) but the Sangoma cards require a /third/ level of configuration in Wanpipe. Steve Totaro wrote: Sangoma makes a good card. On 2/15/08, Kevin P. Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giorgio Incantalupo wrote: Digium stopped to produce TDM400P and the new TDM410 is too new to find it in our shops. The only alternative available is a fully-compatible Openvox product...but is it really fully-compatible? Any experience about Openvox products (card and zaptel versions, etc...)? Every distributor that carried the TDM400P should have TDM410s in stock already. Where are you located, and who do you buy Digium cards from? -- Kevin P. Fleming Director of Software Technologies Digium, Inc. - The Genuine Asterisk Experience (TM) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users !DSPAM:47b591c7282271152562594! -- ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users !DSPAM:47b591c7282271152562594! - -- James Finstrom Rhino Equipment Corp. Tel: 1-800-785-7073 ext. 6344 FAX: +1 (480) 961-1826 IP: asterisk.rhinoequipment.com ext 6344 FWD: 633686 ext 6344 THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the email and its attachments from all computers. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHtZVZdloC7YyaIOoRAuHXAJ0WD4UCOQzea43CCVXG32hDnxaADgCdHRUe 34tNh/zgUxxoOkAaQbB7z5Y= =TlLb -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
The cards themselves are okay, but the extra level of configuration is a pain in the proverbial. Zaptel is already double-configured in both zaptel.conf and zapata.conf (that's not a complaint - I understand the reason for the separation) but the Sangoma cards require a /third/ level of configuration in Wanpipe. Steve Totaro wrote: Sangoma makes a good card. On 2/15/08, Kevin P. Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giorgio Incantalupo wrote: Digium stopped to produce TDM400P and the new TDM410 is too new to find it in our shops. The only alternative available is a fully-compatible Openvox product...but is it really fully-compatible? Any experience about Openvox products (card and zaptel versions, etc...)? Every distributor that carried the TDM400P should have TDM410s in stock already. Where are you located, and who do you buy Digium cards from? -- Kevin P. Fleming Director of Software Technologies Digium, Inc. - The Genuine Asterisk Experience (TM) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
Hi Kevin, unfortunately I live in Italy and you is not so easy for us to get electronic stuff. Let's wait and see what happens.:) Giorgio Kevin P. Fleming wrote: Giorgio Incantalupo wrote: Digium stopped to produce TDM400P and the new TDM410 is too new to find it in our shops. The only alternative available is a fully-compatible Openvox product...but is it really fully-compatible? Any experience about Openvox products (card and zaptel versions, etc...)? Every distributor that carried the TDM400P should have TDM410s in stock already. Where are you located, and who do you buy Digium cards from? -- _ Giorgio Incantalupo, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] FGA srl - http://www.fgasoftware.com - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - The Agile PBX http://www.voiceatwork.eu Tel: 02997663.14, Fax: 0291390172 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
Hi Steve, I've already tried a Sangoma card and it behaves the same as TDM400P. But the problem arises for example when I have to change a broken card on an old PBX keeping the modules, that's why I need a clone card like Openvox (Sangoma modules are different as you know) Moreover I'd like to avoid installing the Sangoma driver on the PBX. Steve Totaro wrote: It is fairly easy on a fresh install since the Sangoma ./Setup install script can create all three configuration files for you. Thanks, Steve Totaro On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Rob Hillis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The cards themselves are okay, but the extra level of configuration is a pain in the proverbial. Zaptel is already double-configured in both zaptel.conf and zapata.conf (that's not a complaint - I understand the reason for the separation) but the Sangoma cards require a third level of configuration in Wanpipe. Steve Totaro wrote: Sangoma makes a good card. On 2/15/08, Kevin P. Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giorgio Incantalupo wrote: Digium stopped to produce TDM400P and the new TDM410 is too new to find it in our shops. The only alternative available is a fully-compatible Openvox product...but is it really fully-compatible? Any experience about Openvox products (card and zaptel versions, etc...)? Every distributor that carried the TDM400P should have TDM410s in stock already. Where are you located, and who do you buy Digium cards from? -- Kevin P. Fleming Director of Software Technologies Digium, Inc. - The Genuine Asterisk Experience (TM) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ Giorgio Incantalupo, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] FGA srl - http://www.fgasoftware.com - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - The Agile PBX http://www.voiceatwork.eu Tel: 02997663.14, Fax: 0291390172 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
James, If you were replying to the original post about Openvox or specified that is what you were referring to, maybe I would not take issue but to reply to a suggesting to use Sangoma with what you did is absolutely misleading. There is nothing cheap or clone about Sangoma's cards. asterisk.rhinoequipment.com hm. Thanks, Steve Totaro James Finstrom wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I would say email Kevin what he asked. The problem with switching to a clone company is you get what you pay for. Sticking with Digium you at least have support. and 3 clone cards and hours of troubleshooting later you will wish you hadn't been all cheap. Rob Hillis wrote: The cards themselves are okay, but the extra level of configuration is a pain in the proverbial. Zaptel is already double-configured in both zaptel.conf and zapata.conf (that's not a complaint - I understand the reason for the separation) but the Sangoma cards require a /third/ level of configuration in Wanpipe. Steve Totaro wrote: Sangoma makes a good card. On 2/15/08, Kevin P. Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giorgio Incantalupo wrote: Digium stopped to produce TDM400P and the new TDM410 is too new to find it in our shops. The only alternative available is a fully-compatible Openvox product...but is it really fully-compatible? Any experience about Openvox products (card and zaptel versions, etc...)? Every distributor that carried the TDM400P should have TDM410s in stock already. Where are you located, and who do you buy Digium cards from? -- Kevin P. Fleming Director of Software Technologies Digium, Inc. - The Genuine Asterisk Experience (TM) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
Steve, Yes I work for Rhino that is no Secret. If you read the post I was responding to the thread not pimping my own products. I am not sure if your a Sangoma fanboy or employee since you are apparently offended by my response, however he wasn't asking to be sold to he was asking about specific products. So there it is yes I work for Rhino and I could have easily given one of our italian distributors but he didn't ask for that. It is not appropriate to troll the list and push your products unsolicited. If someone is looking for a recommendation for a card brand fine. If they need a solution like ADID or they need to accommodate funky CPC signals from their telco which Rhino does fine it is on subject. If someone asks should I use openvox to replace my digium you don't pimp your product because it wasn't asked for. If you want my honest opinion. I prefer people use Rhino products. I believe our products and support are superior but if you don't use our cards use Digium. If your reply is any indication on how Sandoma works I can honestly say go use a cheap clone before sangomaN they may not support you but at least they are open about being here just for the money. James Finstrom Rhino Equipment Corp. http://www.rhinoequipment.com -Original Message- From: Steve Totaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:45:50 To:Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussionasterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives?? James, If you were replying to the original post about Openvox or specified that is what you were referring to, maybe I would not take issue but to reply to a suggesting to use Sangoma with what you did is absolutely misleading. There is nothing cheap or clone about Sangoma's cards. asterisk.rhinoequipment.com hm. Thanks, Steve Totaro James Finstrom wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I would say email Kevin what he asked. The problem with switching to a clone company is you get what you pay for. Sticking with Digium you at least have support. and 3 clone cards and hours of troubleshooting later you will wish you hadn't been all cheap. Rob Hillis wrote: The cards themselves are okay, but the extra level of configuration is a pain in the proverbial. Zaptel is already double-configured in both zaptel.conf and zapata.conf (that's not a complaint - I understand the reason for the separation) but the Sangoma cards require a /third/ level of configuration in Wanpipe. Steve Totaro wrote: Sangoma makes a good card. On 2/15/08, Kevin P. Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giorgio Incantalupo wrote: Digium stopped to produce TDM400P and the new TDM410 is too new to find it in our shops. The only alternative available is a fully-compatible Openvox product...but is it really fully-compatible? Any experience about Openvox products (card and zaptel versions, etc...)? Every distributor that carried the TDM400P should have TDM410s in stock already. Where are you located, and who do you buy Digium cards from? -- Kevin P. Fleming Director of Software Technologies Digium, Inc. - The Genuine Asterisk Experience (TM) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users !DSPAM:47b59f18311805637012918! ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Enough Said :) Buy Digium, or Rhino, or a Knock off but avoid the witch doctor Steve Totaro wrote: James, Huh? Trying to understand your rambling reply I just like Sangoma because they just work and have excellent support, I have no affiliation with them except being a very happy customer. You get what you pay for right? I also think Adtran or Adit are great products. Not sure about Rhino especially after your irrational response. Some spokesman, I will stick with Adtran and Adit, not some cheap knock-off.. Thanks, Steve Totaro On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 9:36 AM, James Finstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, Yes I work for Rhino that is no Secret. If you read the post I was responding to the thread not pimping my own products. I am not sure if your a Sangoma fanboy or employee since you are apparently offended by my response, however he wasn't asking to be sold to he was asking about specific products. So there it is yes I work for Rhino and I could have easily given one of our italian distributors but he didn't ask for that. It is not appropriate to troll the list and push your products unsolicited. If someone is looking for a recommendation for a card brand fine. If they need a solution like ADID or they need to accommodate funky CPC signals from their telco which Rhino does fine it is on subject. If someone asks should I use openvox to replace my digium you don't pimp your product because it wasn't asked for. If you want my honest opinion. I prefer people use Rhino products. I believe our products and support are superior but if you don't use our cards use Digium. If your reply is any indication on how Sandoma works I can honestly say go use a cheap clone before sangomaN they may not support you but at least they are open about being here just for the money. James Finstrom Rhino Equipment Corp. http://www.rhinoequipment.com -Original Message- From: Steve Totaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:45:50 To:Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussionasterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives?? James, If you were replying to the original post about Openvox or specified that is what you were referring to, maybe I would not take issue but to reply to a suggesting to use Sangoma with what you did is absolutely misleading. There is nothing cheap or clone about Sangoma's cards. asterisk.rhinoequipment.com hm. Thanks, Steve Totaro James Finstrom wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I would say email Kevin what he asked. The problem with switching to a clone company is you get what you pay for. Sticking with Digium you at least have support. and 3 clone cards and hours of troubleshooting later you will wish you hadn't been all cheap. Rob Hillis wrote: The cards themselves are okay, but the extra level of configuration is a pain in the proverbial. Zaptel is already double-configured in both zaptel.conf and zapata.conf (that's not a complaint - I understand the reason for the separation) but the Sangoma cards require a /third/ level of configuration in Wanpipe. Steve Totaro wrote: Sangoma makes a good card. On 2/15/08, Kevin P. Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giorgio Incantalupo wrote: Digium stopped to produce TDM400P and the new TDM410 is too new to find it in our shops. The only alternative available is a fully-compatible Openvox product...but is it really fully-compatible? Any experience about Openvox products (card and zaptel versions, etc...)? Every distributor that carried the TDM400P should have TDM410s in stock already. Where are you located, and who do you buy Digium cards from? -- Kevin P. Fleming Director of Software Technologies Digium, Inc. - The Genuine Asterisk Experience (TM) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users !DSPAM:47b5b32338121804284693! - -- James Finstrom Rhino Equipment Corp. Tel: 1-800-785-7073 ext. 6344 FAX: +1 (480) 961-1826 IP: asterisk.rhinoequipment.com ext 6344 FWD: 633686 ext 6344 THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the email and its attachments from all computers
Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
James, Huh? Trying to understand your rambling reply I just like Sangoma because they just work and have excellent support, I have no affiliation with them except being a very happy customer. You get what you pay for right? I also think Adtran or Adit are great products. Not sure about Rhino especially after your irrational response. Some spokesman, I will stick with Adtran and Adit, not some cheap knock-off. Thanks, Steve Totaro On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 9:36 AM, James Finstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, Yes I work for Rhino that is no Secret. If you read the post I was responding to the thread not pimping my own products. I am not sure if your a Sangoma fanboy or employee since you are apparently offended by my response, however he wasn't asking to be sold to he was asking about specific products. So there it is yes I work for Rhino and I could have easily given one of our italian distributors but he didn't ask for that. It is not appropriate to troll the list and push your products unsolicited. If someone is looking for a recommendation for a card brand fine. If they need a solution like ADID or they need to accommodate funky CPC signals from their telco which Rhino does fine it is on subject. If someone asks should I use openvox to replace my digium you don't pimp your product because it wasn't asked for. If you want my honest opinion. I prefer people use Rhino products. I believe our products and support are superior but if you don't use our cards use Digium. If your reply is any indication on how Sandoma works I can honestly say go use a cheap clone before sangomaN they may not support you but at least they are open about being here just for the money. James Finstrom Rhino Equipment Corp. http://www.rhinoequipment.com -Original Message- From: Steve Totaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:45:50 To:Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussionasterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives?? James, If you were replying to the original post about Openvox or specified that is what you were referring to, maybe I would not take issue but to reply to a suggesting to use Sangoma with what you did is absolutely misleading. There is nothing cheap or clone about Sangoma's cards. asterisk.rhinoequipment.com hm. Thanks, Steve Totaro James Finstrom wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I would say email Kevin what he asked. The problem with switching to a clone company is you get what you pay for. Sticking with Digium you at least have support. and 3 clone cards and hours of troubleshooting later you will wish you hadn't been all cheap. Rob Hillis wrote: The cards themselves are okay, but the extra level of configuration is a pain in the proverbial. Zaptel is already double-configured in both zaptel.conf and zapata.conf (that's not a complaint - I understand the reason for the separation) but the Sangoma cards require a /third/ level of configuration in Wanpipe. Steve Totaro wrote: Sangoma makes a good card. On 2/15/08, Kevin P. Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giorgio Incantalupo wrote: Digium stopped to produce TDM400P and the new TDM410 is too new to find it in our shops. The only alternative available is a fully-compatible Openvox product...but is it really fully-compatible? Any experience about Openvox products (card and zaptel versions, etc...)? Every distributor that carried the TDM400P should have TDM410s in stock already. Where are you located, and who do you buy Digium cards from? -- Kevin P. Fleming Director of Software Technologies Digium, Inc. - The Genuine Asterisk Experience (TM) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users !DSPAM:47b59f18311805637012918! ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
There are some tdm400 cards on ebay, http://search.ebay.com/tdm400 Moj Giorgio Incantalupo wrote: Hi, Digium stopped to produce TDM400P and the new TDM410 is too new to find it in our shops. The only alternative available is a fully-compatible Openvox product...but is it really fully-compatible? Any experience about Openvox products (card and zaptel versions, etc...)? Thank you! Giorgio. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
How about a technical comparision. What makes the Rhino better than the Sangoma? On a scale of 1 to 10 I would give Sangoma a 9 for support based on personal experience so I strongly disagree with that part of your argument. -Original Message- From: James Finstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 6:37 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives?? Steve, Yes I work for Rhino that is no Secret. If you read the post I was responding to the thread not pimping my own products. I am not sure if your a Sangoma fanboy or employee since you are apparently offended by my response, however he wasn't asking to be sold to he was asking about specific products. So there it is yes I work for Rhino and I could have easily given one of our italian distributors but he didn't ask for that. It is not appropriate to troll the list and push your products unsolicited. If someone is looking for a recommendation for a card brand fine. If they need a solution like ADID or they need to accommodate funky CPC signals from their telco which Rhino does fine it is on subject. If someone asks should I use openvox to replace my digium you don't pimp your product because it wasn't asked for. If you want my honest opinion. I prefer people use Rhino products. I believe our products and support are superior but if you don't use our cards use Digium. If your reply is any indication on how Sandoma works I can honestly say go use a cheap clone before sangomaN they may not support you but at least they are open about being here just for the money. James Finstrom Rhino Equipment Corp. http://www.rhinoequipment.com -Original Message- From: Steve Totaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:45:50 To:Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussionasterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives?? James, If you were replying to the original post about Openvox or specified that is what you were referring to, maybe I would not take issue but to reply to a suggesting to use Sangoma with what you did is absolutely misleading. There is nothing cheap or clone about Sangoma's cards. asterisk.rhinoequipment.com hm. Thanks, Steve Totaro James Finstrom wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I would say email Kevin what he asked. The problem with switching to a clone company is you get what you pay for. Sticking with Digium you at least have support. and 3 clone cards and hours of troubleshooting later you will wish you hadn't been all cheap. Rob Hillis wrote: The cards themselves are okay, but the extra level of configuration is a pain in the proverbial. Zaptel is already double-configured in both zaptel.conf and zapata.conf (that's not a complaint - I understand the reason for the separation) but the Sangoma cards require a /third/ level of configuration in Wanpipe. Steve Totaro wrote: Sangoma makes a good card. On 2/15/08, Kevin P. Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giorgio Incantalupo wrote: Digium stopped to produce TDM400P and the new TDM410 is too new to find it in our shops. The only alternative available is a fully-compatible Openvox product...but is it really fully-compatible? Any experience about Openvox products (card and zaptel versions, etc...)? Every distributor that carried the TDM400P should have TDM410s in stock already. Where are you located, and who do you buy Digium cards from? -- Kevin P. Fleming Director of Software Technologies Digium, Inc. - The Genuine Asterisk Experience (TM) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users !DSPAM:47b59f18311805637012918! ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
How about a technical comparision. What makes the Rhino better than the Sangoma? On a scale of 1 to 10 I would give Sangoma a 9 for support based on personal experience so I strongly disagree with that part of your argument. -Original Message- From: James Finstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 6:37 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives?? Steve, Yes I work for Rhino that is no Secret. If you read the post I was responding to the thread not pimping my own products. I am not sure if your a Sangoma fanboy or employee since you are apparently offended by my response, however he wasn't asking to be sold to he was asking about specific products. So there it is yes I work for Rhino and I could have easily given one of our italian distributors but he didn't ask for that. It is not appropriate to troll the list and push your products unsolicited. If someone is looking for a recommendation for a card brand fine. If they need a solution like ADID or they need to accommodate funky CPC signals from their telco which Rhino does fine it is on subject. If someone asks should I use openvox to replace my digium you don't pimp your product because it wasn't asked for. If you want my honest opinion. I prefer people use Rhino products. I believe our products and support are superior but if you don't use our cards use Digium. If your reply is any indication on how Sandoma works I can honestly say go use a cheap clone before sangomaN they may not support you but at least they are open about being here just for the money. James Finstrom Rhino Equipment Corp. http://www.rhinoequipment.com -Original Message- From: Steve Totaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:45:50 To:Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussionasterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives?? James, If you were replying to the original post about Openvox or specified that is what you were referring to, maybe I would not take issue but to reply to a suggesting to use Sangoma with what you did is absolutely misleading. There is nothing cheap or clone about Sangoma's cards. asterisk.rhinoequipment.com hm. Thanks, Steve Totaro James Finstrom wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I would say email Kevin what he asked. The problem with switching to a clone company is you get what you pay for. Sticking with Digium you at least have support. and 3 clone cards and hours of troubleshooting later you will wish you hadn't been all cheap. Rob Hillis wrote: The cards themselves are okay, but the extra level of configuration is a pain in the proverbial. Zaptel is already double-configured in both zaptel.conf and zapata.conf (that's not a complaint - I understand the reason for the separation) but the Sangoma cards require a /third/ level of configuration in Wanpipe. Steve Totaro wrote: Sangoma makes a good card. On 2/15/08, Kevin P. Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giorgio Incantalupo wrote: Digium stopped to produce TDM400P and the new TDM410 is too new to find it in our shops. The only alternative available is a fully-compatible Openvox product...but is it really fully-compatible? Any experience about Openvox products (card and zaptel versions, etc...)? Every distributor that carried the TDM400P should have TDM410s in stock already. Where are you located, and who do you buy Digium cards from? -- Kevin P. Fleming Director of Software Technologies Digium, Inc. - The Genuine Asterisk Experience (TM) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users !DSPAM:47b59f18311805637012918! ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
I told myself that I was going to stay out of this one, but since you find this important enough to reply twice to the mailing list with the same content, it must be worth my time to reply. If you carefully read the thread, the person who replied from Rhino went out of his way to NOT try to sell his hardware, until someone claimed that Sangoma is the best. I do not have first hand experience with Sangoma hardware. I am however one of the Astlinux developers. In that capacity, I can easily say that compiling the necessary modules for the Rhino cards is much easier than what is required to get the Sangoma stuff working. I have no doubt that in both cases the hardware is good. (I personally have not experienced significant trouble with Digium analog cards either, but they do take more time to adjust properly). Both hardware companies did work with us to ensure their cards will work properly with Astlinux. With the Rhino hardware, there is no need to compile extra utilities, only a zaptel module. The Sangoma setup is more complex. One plus in my mind is the Rhino card is made in the USA. I've also found the Rhino tech support to be excellent. Bottom line, use what works for you. I've used several Digium TDM400P cards and several Rhino analog cards. Both work well, but like I said earlier, the Rhino cards (with built in echo cancellation) were much easier to configure and get working out of the box. Darrick shadowym wrote: How about a technical comparision. What makes the Rhino better than the Sangoma? On a scale of 1 to 10 I would give Sangoma a 9 for support based on personal experience so I strongly disagree with that part of your argument. -Original Message- From: James Finstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 6:37 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives?? Steve, Yes I work for Rhino that is no Secret. If you read the post I was responding to the thread not pimping my own products. I am not sure if your a Sangoma fanboy or employee since you are apparently offended by my response, however he wasn't asking to be sold to he was asking about specific products. So there it is yes I work for Rhino and I could have easily given one of our italian distributors but he didn't ask for that. It is not appropriate to troll the list and push your products unsolicited. If someone is looking for a recommendation for a card brand fine. If they need a solution like ADID or they need to accommodate funky CPC signals from their telco which Rhino does fine it is on subject. If someone asks should I use openvox to replace my digium you don't pimp your product because it wasn't asked for. If you want my honest opinion. I prefer people use Rhino products. I believe our products and support are superior but if you don't use our cards use Digium. If your reply is any indication on how Sando ma works I can honestly say go use a cheap clone before sangomaN they may not support you but at least they are open about being here just for the money. James Finstrom Rhino Equipment Corp. http://www.rhinoequipment.com -Original Message- From: Steve Totaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:45:50 To:Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussionasterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives?? James, If you were replying to the original post about Openvox or specified that is what you were referring to, maybe I would not take issue but to reply to a suggesting to use Sangoma with what you did is absolutely misleading. There is nothing cheap or clone about Sangoma's cards. asterisk.rhinoequipment.com hm. Thanks, Steve Totaro James Finstrom wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I would say email Kevin what he asked. The problem with switching to a clone company is you get what you pay for. Sticking with Digium you at least have support. and 3 clone cards and hours of troubleshooting later you will wish you hadn't been all cheap. Rob Hillis wrote: The cards themselves are okay, but the extra level of configuration is a pain in the proverbial. Zaptel is already double-configured in both zaptel.conf and zapata.conf (that's not a complaint - I understand the reason for the separation) but the Sangoma cards require a /third/ level of configuration in Wanpipe. -- Darrick Hartman DJH Solutions, LLC http://www.djhsolutions.com ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
You are kidding, right ??? A small user that just buys one card won't get a good support from Digium. It'll be just a waste of time on the phone. Practically any manufacturer gives similar support including ssh'ing in the users box. Right now they push the user to buy a 4 channel echo canceller which you can get from Octasic for $40. The card with 4 ports is retail around $640. You can get OpenVox or another brand TDM400P compatible for 1/3 of that + $40 for echo canceller. Now that's a Digium high marigin right there .. someone has to pay the CEO salary and the mortgage for a new building :) cheers On 2/15/08, James Finstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I would say email Kevin what he asked. The problem with switching to a clone company is you get what you pay for. Sticking with Digium you at least have support. and 3 clone cards and hours of troubleshooting later you will wish you hadn't been all cheap. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
On Friday 15 February 2008 23:53:19 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are kidding, right ??? A small user that just buys one card won't get a good support from Digium. It'll be just a waste of time on the phone. Do you have experience with this or are you just talking out of your ass? Digium support prides itself on giving customers who buy even just a single card the best possible support. Practically any manufacturer gives similar support including ssh'ing in the users box. Really? Which manufacturers, specifically, will allow you to call up, get remote assistance, and help you get the card working like this? I'd also like to know why you're posting anonymously, instead of standing behind your words. -- Tilghman ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Digium stopped TDM400P production: alternatives??
At 11:07 PM 2/15/2008, you wrote: Really? Which manufacturers, specifically, will allow you to call up, get remote assistance, and help you get the card working like this? Well, Digium did this for me when I had trouble getting something to work right with my TDM04. Took about 5 minutes with support logged in and all was well in my world. Ira, a happy Digium customer! ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
