RE: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-23 Thread Anselm Martin Hoffmeister
Am Donnerstag, den 22.03.2007, 22:17 -0700 schrieb shadowym:
 As far as I can tell, the phone system does not run on a Desktop/Server OS
 on a standard PC.  Just the config clients run on the desktop.
 
 Then again they are using Dlink as one of the 3 manufacturers of the Phone
 Server so I wouldn't expect commercial grade.

Let us wait for the actual implementation before ranting too much - I
have certain, not the best, expectations of any new MS products, but
they might one day be proven untrue.

I have to admin though that the combination of D-Link and MS does not
exactly stand for highest quality, reliable, bugfree products. But they
might once produce a great product.

The most interesting of all this for me is which protocols they will
use, e.g. wether they will talk SIP, or rather MS OpenIAX or Skype2.0
protocol, or something completely new and not just slightly
uncompatible.

Let us see the facts: Telephone systems with more than a handful
telephones and more than just the ability to call (be it voicemail,
conferencing, queues, agents...) are complicated, and in most cases need
to be tailored to the customers' needs. As long as the customer is not
an IT-ish company, they will hopefully understand that getting all the
knowledge about this internally costs work hours (and thus, money) the
same - and experience is something that can not be learned in a few
hours of document study and point-and-clicking. High-quality solutions
need professional hands, pals, possibly yours.

This will by no means be the death of the technical consulting around
telephone PABXs.

BR
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Re: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-23 Thread Christopher Chan

Anselm Martin Hoffmeister wrote:

Am Donnerstag, den 22.03.2007, 22:17 -0700 schrieb shadowym:

As far as I can tell, the phone system does not run on a Desktop/Server OS
on a standard PC.  Just the config clients run on the desktop.

Then again they are using Dlink as one of the 3 manufacturers of the Phone
Server so I wouldn't expect commercial grade.


Let us wait for the actual implementation before ranting too much - I
have certain, not the best, expectations of any new MS products, but
they might one day be proven untrue.


I have yet to see anything that does turn into a mess from M$.



I have to admin though that the combination of D-Link and MS does not
exactly stand for highest quality, reliable, bugfree products. But they
might once produce a great product.


On the Mac OS X side of things...



The most interesting of all this for me is which protocols they will
use, e.g. wether they will talk SIP, or rather MS OpenIAX or Skype2.0
protocol, or something completely new and not just slightly
uncompatible.


Given M$ history, it will probably be another embrace, extend and 
extinguish the old.




Let us see the facts: Telephone systems with more than a handful
telephones and more than just the ability to call (be it voicemail,
conferencing, queues, agents...) are complicated, and in most cases need
to be tailored to the customers' needs. As long as the customer is not
an IT-ish company, they will hopefully understand that getting all the
knowledge about this internally costs work hours (and thus, money) the
same - and experience is something that can not be learned in a few
hours of document study and point-and-clicking. High-quality solutions
need professional hands, pals, possibly yours.

This will by no means be the death of the technical consulting around
telephone PABXs.


Er...is not this what asterisk is about? telephone PABX guys sniff at 
computer guys moving in their space.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-23 Thread Steve Totaro

Christopher Chan wrote:

Anselm Martin Hoffmeister wrote:

Am Donnerstag, den 22.03.2007, 22:17 -0700 schrieb shadowym:
As far as I can tell, the phone system does not run on a 
Desktop/Server OS

on a standard PC.  Just the config clients run on the desktop.

Then again they are using Dlink as one of the 3 manufacturers of the 
Phone

Server so I wouldn't expect commercial grade.


Let us wait for the actual implementation before ranting too much - I
have certain, not the best, expectations of any new MS products, but
they might one day be proven untrue.


I have yet to see anything that does turn into a mess from M$.



I have to admin though that the combination of D-Link and MS does not
exactly stand for highest quality, reliable, bugfree products. But they
might once produce a great product.


On the Mac OS X side of things...



The most interesting of all this for me is which protocols they will
use, e.g. wether they will talk SIP, or rather MS OpenIAX or Skype2.0
protocol, or something completely new and not just slightly
uncompatible.


Given M$ history, it will probably be another embrace, extend and 
extinguish the old.




Let us see the facts: Telephone systems with more than a handful
telephones and more than just the ability to call (be it voicemail,
conferencing, queues, agents...) are complicated, and in most cases need
to be tailored to the customers' needs. As long as the customer is not
an IT-ish company, they will hopefully understand that getting all the
knowledge about this internally costs work hours (and thus, money) the
same - and experience is something that can not be learned in a few
hours of document study and point-and-clicking. High-quality solutions
need professional hands, pals, possibly yours.

This will by no means be the death of the technical consulting around
telephone PABXs.


Er...is not this what asterisk is about? telephone PABX guys sniff at 
computer guys moving in their space.




By far the easiest turnkey system I have dealt with is the 3com 
V3000/NBX.  No IP addresses to worry about except for the NCP (typically 
the phones are MAC or layer two devices by default).  You just plug in a 
phone and it downloads the latest firmware from the NBX and gets 
assigned the next extension that is open.  The GUI is very simple.  A 
V3000 is about the price of a decent Asterisk box (off the shelf that 
is, it comes in a 1u chassis, four FXOs, one FXS, MOH minijack port for 
about $3,000).  The phones are great and have advanced button mappings 
that are done in the PBX.


That is for an entry level four FXO system.  If you add a T1 or need 
more analog FXS ports, you need to buy an NBX 100 chassis to populate 
with cards, the chassis is about $500 but the T1 boards are in the 
$3,000 - $5,000 range and only have one port.


It has been a while since I have was certified and worked on these 
systems, so pricing may have changed. 

I do not see MS coming out with a product that can beat the 3com system 
for ease of installation and 3com NBX (started by students from MIT who 
formed a company called NBX Corporation that was purchased by 3com 
~1997 or 1998, so they have had long enough to iron out bugs and 
implement advanced feature sets.  3com is large enough to resist MS and 
I seriously doubt they can extinguish asterisk or Cisco.


Obviously, Asterisk may be in the same Market Space of all other IP 
PBXs, but in reality it is apples to oranges.  Being able to explain and 
sell this concept to the customer is paramount in making the sale and 
often times, it makes more sense for 3com system or possibly an MS system.


Thanks,
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Re: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-23 Thread Jon Pounder




This will by no means be the death of the technical consulting around
telephone PABXs.


Er...is not this what asterisk is about? telephone PABX guys sniff at 
computer guys moving in their space.


at least in the asterisk case its all about open standards, interoperability,
reliability, scalability etc., cost savings does usually factor in as well but
its not the primary driver for going with asterisk above another solution in a
lot of cases.






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Re: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-23 Thread Christopher Chan


Obviously, Asterisk may be in the same Market Space of all other IP 
PBXs, but in reality it is apples to oranges.  Being able to explain and 
sell this concept to the customer is paramount in making the sale and 
often times, it makes more sense for 3com system or possibly an MS system.



Surely asterisk is in more than the ip PBX 'market space'! But yes, if 
3com or MS can take away the 'sorcery' of a PBX, it will probably make 
sense for some.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-23 Thread Christopher Chan

Jon Pounder wrote:




This will by no means be the death of the technical consulting around
telephone PABXs.


Er...is not this what asterisk is about? telephone PABX guys sniff at 
computer guys moving in their space.


at least in the asterisk case its all about open standards, 
interoperability,
reliability, scalability etc., cost savings does usually factor in as 
well but
its not the primary driver for going with asterisk above another 
solution in a

lot of cases.


:). When the office location is changed, I am going to try and rip out 
the arcane Nitsuko KTS and replace it with asterisk + VoIP phones and 
add voice mail and what not :D.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-23 Thread Jon Pounder

Quoting Christopher Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:



Obviously, Asterisk may be in the same Market Space of all other 
IP PBXs, but in reality it is apples to oranges.  Being able to 
explain and sell this concept to the customer is paramount in making 
the sale and often times, it makes more sense for 3com system or 
possibly an MS system.



Surely asterisk is in more than the ip PBX 'market space'! But yes, 
if 3com or MS can take away the 'sorcery' of a PBX, it will probably 
make sense for some.


I don't think anything these days should be considered sorcery - one 
quick stop

at google is usually enough to explain the operating principles behind any
system if the end user cares to know. Its more that naive users have this
misplaced trust for M$ even though they demonstrate over and over again they
are not trustworthy either for marketing techniques or quality.

The real acceptance push should be for linux on the desktop, and then it would
not seem so strange that the same operating system runs the phone switch,
coffee pot, router, etc., it would be oh, that's what it is, I know about that
since I use it every day at work.






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Re: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-23 Thread Anselm Martin Hoffmeister
Am Freitag, den 23.03.2007, 17:09 +0800 schrieb Christopher Chan:
 Anselm Martin Hoffmeister wrote:
  Am Donnerstag, den 22.03.2007, 22:17 -0700 schrieb shadowym:
  Let us see the facts: Telephone systems with more than a handful
  telephones and more than just the ability to call (be it voicemail,
  conferencing, queues, agents...) are complicated, and in most cases need
  to be tailored to the customers' needs. As long as the customer is not
  an IT-ish company, they will hopefully understand that getting all the
  knowledge about this internally costs work hours (and thus, money) the
  same - and experience is something that can not be learned in a few
  hours of document study and point-and-clicking. High-quality solutions
  need professional hands, pals, possibly yours.
  
  This will by no means be the death of the technical consulting around
  telephone PABXs.
 
 Er...is not this what asterisk is about? telephone PABX guys sniff at 
 computer guys moving in their space.

But still, the need for experts is there; a PABX (be it from Nortel,
Avaya or an Asterisk-based one) is not a teaspoon but a Swiss army
knife.

Go and ask Mr. Joe Average what all those tools on a proper Swiss army
knife are for. If he manages to get all the blades and tools out at
all ;-)

I do not see reason to worry about a decrementing need for engineer-type
people who know their job and their toolbox, that was what I wanted to
express. Campains for better, more widespread personal computing have
not removed the need for operational knowledge or the neighbour for
fixing a broken .DLL; customers may have hoped so for decades.

Once again, let Microsoft's marketing soap bubbles burst and see if
anything else comes out than wet air.

Regards
Anselm

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RE: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-22 Thread shadowym
I just watched the webinar on this product.

Very few technical details or details of any kind.  They just talked about
how easy it is to add an extension without having to pay some guy to come
out and do it.  The only feature that looked interesting was the voice
recognition.  It seemed to work pretty good at recognizing names and then
dialing.  They also talked about how you only need to press the one
special button on the phone and the rest could be done with the voice
recognition.  Looks like it will be able to integrate or import outlook
contacts which is no big deal.

You will need an additional ATA gateway to connect to the PSTN unless your
using a VoIP provider.  No mention of standards based protocols or the
ability to use 3rd party phones, gateways, VoIP providers etc.

In other words, you gotta drink the M$ coolaid and use Dlink or the other
two manufacturers hardware.  The phone looks pretty cheap.

Nothing to get too excited about overall IMHO!  There is already similar
stuff out there from Linksys etc.

My 2 cents.

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RE: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-22 Thread Jon Pounder

Quoting shadowym [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


I just watched the webinar on this product.

Very few technical details or details of any kind.  They just talked about
how easy it is to add an extension without having to pay some guy to come
out and do it.


yeah, that's if you can get your networking setup done for nothing, all its
doing is transferring the need for infrastructure from phone to data side of
cabling/hardware - not that I am against that, but its still not free or
effortless to do.

For low data volume yeah its pretty simple, but start to get vlans and 
priority

and qos all rolled in and for most companies you've got outside help with a
bill there before you know it. Not to mention are you going to trust some M$
based virus collector on the same physical network as something important and
secure without firewalls between ?




The only feature that looked interesting was the voice

recognition.  It seemed to work pretty good at recognizing names and then
dialing.  They also talked about how you only need to press the one
special button on the phone and the rest could be done with the voice
recognition.  Looks like it will be able to integrate or import outlook
contacts which is no big deal.

You will need an additional ATA gateway to connect to the PSTN unless your
using a VoIP provider.  No mention of standards based protocols or the
ability to use 3rd party phones, gateways, VoIP providers etc.

In other words, you gotta drink the M$ coolaid and use Dlink or the other
two manufacturers hardware.  The phone looks pretty cheap.

Nothing to get too excited about overall IMHO!  There is already similar
stuff out there from Linksys etc.

My 2 cents.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-22 Thread Christopher Chan


For low data volume yeah its pretty simple, but start to get vlans and 
priority

and qos all rolled in and for most companies you've got outside help with a
bill there before you know it. Not to mention are you going to trust 
some M$
based virus collector on the same physical network as something 
important and

secure without firewalls between ?



or to mention that this M$ based virus collector is not exactly 
carrier-grade. regular unattended reboots anybody?

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Re: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-22 Thread Jon Pounder

Quoting Christopher Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:



For low data volume yeah its pretty simple, but start to get vlans 
and priority

and qos all rolled in and for most companies you've got outside help with a
bill there before you know it. Not to mention are you going to trust some M$
based virus collector on the same physical network as something 
important and

secure without firewalls between ?



or to mention that this M$ based virus collector is not exactly 
carrier-grade. regular unattended reboots anybody?


exactly !!

how many nortel phone switches need their virus fix and reboot second 
tuesday of

every month ?

But just remember, you don't have to get a tech in to install a new
extension

hehe - how do you call the office to tell your SA that the phone system 
needs to

be rebooted - think about it.





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RE: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-22 Thread shadowym
As far as I can tell, the phone system does not run on a Desktop/Server OS
on a standard PC.  Just the config clients run on the desktop.

Then again they are using Dlink as one of the 3 manufacturers of the Phone
Server so I wouldn't expect commercial grade.

-Original Message-
From: Jon Pounder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 8:05 PM
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

Quoting Christopher Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 For low data volume yeah its pretty simple, but start to get vlans 
 and priority and qos all rolled in and for most companies you've got 
 outside help with a bill there before you know it. Not to mention are 
 you going to trust some M$ based virus collector on the same physical 
 network as something important and secure without firewalls between ?


 or to mention that this M$ based virus collector is not exactly 
 carrier-grade. regular unattended reboots anybody?

exactly !!

how many nortel phone switches need their virus fix and reboot second
tuesday of every month ?

But just remember, you don't have to get a tech in to install a new
extension

hehe - how do you call the office to tell your SA that the phone system
needs to be rebooted - think about it.




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Re: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-20 Thread James Andrewartha
Christopher Chan wrote:
 C F wrote:
 I think yes, why you disagree?
 
 Has Microsoft actually ever come with such useful features?
 
 It would be great to demonstrate the complete instability/insecurity of
 Windows based servers by have it shut down automatically in front the
 boss with a recorded message :D. Even better if it comes with a BSOD
 command :)

It's doable with Vista, but you need voice recognition turned on first:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=416

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Re: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-20 Thread C F

Christopher, welcom to Vista, it's now possible.

On 3/20/07, Christopher Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

C F wrote:
 I think yes, why you disagree?


Has Microsoft actually ever come with such useful features?

It would be great to demonstrate the complete instability/insecurity of
Windows based servers by have it shut down automatically in front the
boss with a recorded message :D. Even better if it comes with a BSOD
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Re: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-20 Thread Jon Pounder

Quoting C F [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Awesome, the first PABX virus is just around the corner now that M$ has some
bait for it to infect.

In a world without borders we don't need windows or gates.




Christopher, welcom to Vista, it's now possible.

On 3/20/07, Christopher Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

C F wrote:
 I think yes, why you disagree?


Has Microsoft actually ever come with such useful features?

It would be great to demonstrate the complete instability/insecurity of
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boss with a recorded message :D. Even better if it comes with a BSOD
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RE: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-20 Thread shadowym

If anyone is at VON I would be curious to know what sort of hardware they
are using.  
Quanta Computers-booth 1445
Dlink, Uniden apparently decided not to attend according to the exhibitors
list

From the back of the boxes it looks like ITX but maybe not ix86 CPU.
Nothing to indicate how they plan to connect to the PSTN.  Maybe 3rd party
gateways?

One reviewer was quick to point out microsoft has dabbled in this before
with their cordless phone with TAPI integration to Outlook and voice
recognition.  It quietly went away.
http://www.tmcnet.com/articles/ctimag/0399/0399micro.htm



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Christopher Chan wrote:
 C F wrote:
 I think yes, why you disagree?
 
 Has Microsoft actually ever come with such useful features?
 
 It would be great to demonstrate the complete instability/insecurity 
 of Windows based servers by have it shut down automatically in front 
 the boss with a recorded message :D. Even better if it comes with a 
 BSOD command :)

It's doable with Vista, but you need voice recognition turned on first:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=416

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Re: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-20 Thread Stephen Bosch
mitcheloc wrote:
 Is that FUD really necessary?

No. Everyone can see this will be a disaster without the FUD.

-Stephen-

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Re: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-20 Thread Andrew Joakimsen

Next generation bot nets -- forget about spam, telemarketing is the
next viral (literally) marketing concept!


On 3/20/07, Jon Pounder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting C F [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Awesome, the first PABX virus is just around the corner now that M$ has some
bait for it to infect.

In a world without borders we don't need windows or gates.


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[asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-19 Thread Dean Collins
http://www.crn.com.au/story.aspx?CIID=76033eid=4edate=20070320

The company developed Response Point to work alongside traditional phone
systems or voice-over-IP systems.
Continuing its recent foray into the market for digital communications
products, Microsoft on Monday introduced its first packaged digital
phone system for small business.

 

 

 

 

Anyone know anything about it?

 

 

Regards,

Dean Collins
Cognation Pty Ltd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).

 

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Re: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-19 Thread C F

Wow. Does that mean that someone calling into the system will be able
to use the Embedded voice recognition technology and halt the system
by saying stop now? Or will it just do that without anyone saying
it?

On 3/19/07, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





http://www.crn.com.au/story.aspx?CIID=76033eid=4edate=20070320

The company developed Response Point to work alongside traditional phone
systems or voice-over-IP systems.
 Continuing its recent foray into the market for digital communications
products, Microsoft on Monday introduced its first packaged digital phone
system for small business.









Anyone know anything about it?





Regards,

Dean Collins
 Cognation Pty Ltd
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 +1-212-203-4357 Ph
 +1-917-207-3420 Mb
 +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).


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Re: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-19 Thread mitcheloc

Is that FUD really necessary?

On 3/19/07, C F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Wow. Does that mean that someone calling into the system will be able
to use the Embedded voice recognition technology and halt the system
by saying stop now? Or will it just do that without anyone saying
it?

On 3/19/07, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




 http://www.crn.com.au/story.aspx?CIID=76033eid=4edate=20070320

 The company developed Response Point to work alongside traditional phone
 systems or voice-over-IP systems.
  Continuing its recent foray into the market for digital communications
 products, Microsoft on Monday introduced its first packaged digital phone
 system for small business.









 Anyone know anything about it?





 Regards,

 Dean Collins
  Cognation Pty Ltd
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  +1-212-203-4357 Ph
  +1-917-207-3420 Mb
  +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).


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RE: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-19 Thread Dean Collins



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C F
 Sent: Monday, 19 March 2007 8:13 PM
 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX
 
 Wow. Does that mean that someone calling into the system will be able
 to use the Embedded voice recognition technology and halt the system
 by saying stop now? Or will it just do that without anyone saying
 it?
 
 On 3/19/07, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

Lol- shout BSOD three times to make it crash :)


 

Regards,

Dean Collins
Cognation Pty Ltd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
+1-212-203-4357 Ph
+1-917-207-3420 Mb
+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).
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Re: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-19 Thread C F

I think yes, why you disagree?

On 3/19/07, mitcheloc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Is that FUD really necessary?

On 3/19/07, C F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Wow. Does that mean that someone calling into the system will be able
 to use the Embedded voice recognition technology and halt the system
 by saying stop now? Or will it just do that without anyone saying
 it?

 On 3/19/07, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 
  http://www.crn.com.au/story.aspx?CIID=76033eid=4edate=20070320
 
  The company developed Response Point to work alongside traditional phone
  systems or voice-over-IP systems.
   Continuing its recent foray into the market for digital communications
  products, Microsoft on Monday introduced its first packaged digital phone
  system for small business.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Anyone know anything about it?
 
 
 
 
 
  Regards,
 
  Dean Collins
   Cognation Pty Ltd
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   +1-212-203-4357 Ph
   +1-917-207-3420 Mb
   +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).
 
 
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Re: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-19 Thread George Pajari

The Microsoft press release and links to photos etc.:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news/index_mail.shtml?ACCT=104STORY=/www/story/03-19-2007/0004548826EDATE=

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Re: [asterisk-users] Microsoft launches first PABX

2007-03-19 Thread Christopher Chan

C F wrote:

I think yes, why you disagree?



Has Microsoft actually ever come with such useful features?

It would be great to demonstrate the complete instability/insecurity of 
Windows based servers by have it shut down automatically in front the 
boss with a recorded message :D. Even better if it comes with a BSOD 
command :)

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