Re: [asterisk-users] RTP port ranges

2013-09-18 Thread Ira
Hello Thorsten,

Tuesday, September 17, 2013, 1:05:15 AM, you wrote:


Where is it stated that you MUST use 1-2 ???

Someone else please ?



Well, I don't use that range. This is that part of my rtp.conf

rtpstart=16000
rtpend=16100

I knew I didn't need the default 25000 ports, in fact 100 is probably more than 
10 times what I'll ever need.

Been working for for 5 years with those numbers. I decided when I first did 
this that if I used non standard ports I might be less susceptible to hacking. 
Probably not accurate, but I did it anyway.

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Re: [asterisk-users] RTP port ranges

2013-09-18 Thread Ron Wheeler

I only use 100 ports as well but we have a very low call volume.
I thought that I saw that you need to allocate 2 ports for every 
simultaneous call that you need to support.
The ports are free (no charge) and are UDP not TCP so you do not lose 
any TCP ports.


I am not sure what a hacker could do if they attacked these ports.

Ron

On 18/09/2013 2:29 PM, Ira wrote:

Re: [asterisk-users] RTP port ranges Hello Thorsten,

Tuesday, September 17, 2013, 1:05:15 AM, you wrote:


Where is it stated that you MUST use 1-2 ???

Someone else please ?



Well, I don't use that range. This is that part of my rtp.conf

rtpstart=16000
rtpend=16100

I knew I didn't need the default 25000 ports, in fact 100 is probably 
more than 10 times what I'll ever need.


Been working for for 5 years with those numbers. I decided when I 
first did this that if I used non standard ports I might be less 
susceptible to hacking. Probably not accurate, but I did it anyway.


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Re: [asterisk-users] RTP port ranges

2013-09-17 Thread Thorsten Göllner

Maybe this could help you:
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+config+rtp.conf

Am 13.09.2013 11:49, schrieb Jonas Kellens:

Hello,

and when I define 11500 - 11954 it should use a random port in this range.

Where is it stated that you MUST use 1-2 ???

Someone else please ?


Jonas.


On 09/13/2013 11:46 AM, Andrew Colin wrote:

Because normally it will use a random port between them

On 9/13/2013 11:43 AM, Jonas Kellens wrote:

On 09/13/2013 11:41 AM, Andrew Colin wrote:

Normally you should open ports 1-2 udp



On 9/13/2013 11:37 AM, Jonas Kellens wrote:
I now see that an IP-address gets blocked by my firewall because 
there are packets coming onto port 11955.





Why do I need such a big range ? That's like for 250 concurrent calls !



Jonas.


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[asterisk-users] RTP port ranges

2013-09-13 Thread Jonas Kellens

Hello,

I have defined that I want to receive audio (RTP) on port 11500 till 
11954 (rtp.conf).


The same range I have defined in my firewall.

I now see that an IP-address gets blocked by my firewall because there 
are packets coming onto port 11955.



How come the client sends audio on port 11955 when I clearly define in 
my SDP-body that I want to receive audio on port range 11500 till 11954 ?


What makes the client choose this port number when it is not allowed ?



Kind regards,
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Re: [asterisk-users] RTP port ranges

2013-09-13 Thread Andrew Colin

Normally you should open ports 1-2 udp



On 9/13/2013 11:37 AM, Jonas Kellens wrote:
I now see that an IP-address gets blocked by my firewall because there 
are packets coming onto port 11955.


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Re: [asterisk-users] RTP port ranges

2013-09-13 Thread Jonas Kellens

On 09/13/2013 11:41 AM, Andrew Colin wrote:

Normally you should open ports 1-2 udp



On 9/13/2013 11:37 AM, Jonas Kellens wrote:
I now see that an IP-address gets blocked by my firewall because 
there are packets coming onto port 11955.





Why do I need such a big range ? That's like for 250 concurrent calls !



Jonas.

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Re: [asterisk-users] RTP port ranges

2013-09-13 Thread Andrew Colin

Because normally it will use a random port between them

On 9/13/2013 11:43 AM, Jonas Kellens wrote:

On 09/13/2013 11:41 AM, Andrew Colin wrote:

Normally you should open ports 1-2 udp



On 9/13/2013 11:37 AM, Jonas Kellens wrote:
I now see that an IP-address gets blocked by my firewall because 
there are packets coming onto port 11955.





Why do I need such a big range ? That's like for 250 concurrent calls !



Jonas.



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Re: [asterisk-users] RTP port ranges

2013-09-13 Thread Jonas Kellens

Hello,

and when I define 11500 - 11954 it should use a random port in this range.

Where is it stated that you MUST use 1-2 ???

Someone else please ?


Jonas.


On 09/13/2013 11:46 AM, Andrew Colin wrote:

Because normally it will use a random port between them

On 9/13/2013 11:43 AM, Jonas Kellens wrote:

On 09/13/2013 11:41 AM, Andrew Colin wrote:

Normally you should open ports 1-2 udp



On 9/13/2013 11:37 AM, Jonas Kellens wrote:
I now see that an IP-address gets blocked by my firewall because 
there are packets coming onto port 11955.





Why do I need such a big range ? That's like for 250 concurrent calls !



Jonas.





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Re: [asterisk-users] RTP port ranges

2013-09-13 Thread Johann Steinwendtner

Maybe you should open 11955 on you fw as well. This could be the rtcp port.

Regards

Hans

On 2013-09-13 11:49, Jonas Kellens wrote:

Hello,

and when I define 11500 - 11954 it should use a random port in this range.

Where is it stated that you MUST use 1-2 ???

Someone else please ?


Jonas.


On 09/13/2013 11:46 AM, Andrew Colin wrote:

Because normally it will use a random port between them

On 9/13/2013 11:43 AM, Jonas Kellens wrote:

On 09/13/2013 11:41 AM, Andrew Colin wrote:

Normally you should open ports 1-2 udp



On 9/13/2013 11:37 AM, Jonas Kellens wrote:

I now see that an IP-address gets blocked by my firewall because there are 
packets coming onto port 11955.





Why do I need such a big range ? That's like for 250 concurrent calls !



Jonas.







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Re: [asterisk-users] RTP port ranges

2013-09-13 Thread Jonas Kellens

Could be... is there no way to be sure ? Is there no way to calculate this ?

Thanks,

Jonas.


On 09/13/2013 12:11 PM, Johann Steinwendtner wrote:
Maybe you should open 11955 on you fw as well. This could be the rtcp 
port.


Regards

Hans

On 2013-09-13 11:49, Jonas Kellens wrote:

Hello,

and when I define 11500 - 11954 it should use a random port in this 
range.


Where is it stated that you MUST use 1-2 ???

Someone else please ?


Jonas.


On 09/13/2013 11:46 AM, Andrew Colin wrote:

Because normally it will use a random port between them

On 9/13/2013 11:43 AM, Jonas Kellens wrote:

On 09/13/2013 11:41 AM, Andrew Colin wrote:

Normally you should open ports 1-2 udp



On 9/13/2013 11:37 AM, Jonas Kellens wrote:
I now see that an IP-address gets blocked by my firewall because 
there are packets coming onto port 11955.





Why do I need such a big range ? That's like for 250 concurrent 
calls !




Jonas.







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Re: [asterisk-users] RTP port ranges

2013-09-13 Thread Tony Mountifield
In article 5232dcbc.20...@telenet.be,
Jonas Kellens jonas.kell...@telenet.be wrote:
 
 I have defined that I want to receive audio (RTP) on port 11500 till 
 11954 (rtp.conf).
 
 The same range I have defined in my firewall.
 
 I now see that an IP-address gets blocked by my firewall because there 
 are packets coming onto port 11955.
 
 
 How come the client sends audio on port 11955 when I clearly define in 
 my SDP-body that I want to receive audio on port range 11500 till 11954 ?
 
 What makes the client choose this port number when it is not allowed ?

An RTP connection typically uses a pair of adjacent ports. The even port
for the RTP stream, and the next port up (odd) for RTCP reports.

So when defining a port range, you should probably make the lower port
number even and the upper port number odd.

(so the default 1-2 is probably wrong too, and should be 1-1)

It also means that you should allow at least twice as many ports as the
number of simultaneous calls you want to handle.

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Re: [asterisk-users] RTP port ranges

2013-09-13 Thread A J Stiles
On Friday 13 September 2013, Jonas Kellens wrote:
 On 09/13/2013 11:41 AM, Andrew Colin wrote:
  Normally you should open ports 1-2 udp
  
  On 9/13/2013 11:37 AM, Jonas Kellens wrote:
  I now see that an IP-address gets blocked by my firewall because
  there are packets coming onto port 11955.
 
 Why do I need such a big range ? That's like for 250 concurrent calls !

Having a port open really is not a big deal, unless there's a daemon listening 
on it.

In the Windows world, where you usually don't get the Source Code, you never 
know what is running on your computer; in which case, you are never sure that 
there isn't a daemon listening on a particular port number, so it is wise in 
that case not to leave ports open unnecessarily.  (Though not half as wise as 
just not running un-audited software in the first place .)

But this is the Open Source world, and we have the advantage of knowing 
exactly what is running our computers.  Open ports going nowhere simply are 
not a security concern this side of the fence.

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Re: [asterisk-users] RTP port ranges

2013-09-13 Thread Steven Howes
On 13 Sep 2013, at 11:44, A J Stiles wrote:
 In the Windows world, where you usually don't get the Source Code, you never 
 know what is running on your computer; in which case, you are never sure that 
 there isn't a daemon listening on a particular port number, so it is wise in 
 that case not to leave ports open unnecessarily.  (Though not half as wise as 
 just not running un-audited software in the first place .)

Netstat will tell you what's running on Windows, just like on other platforms.

Steve
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