Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not
Because poking the sleep tiger is fun for some, especially if you're just BARELY faster than the tiger ;-) *poke* On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:26 AM, Andrew Thomas a...@datavox.co.uk wrote: And why would you post a reply 5 days after my last post - and 4 days after the threads last one? Do you want to keep this thread going? I suggest letting it die on it's own. _ -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Matt Riddell Sent: 17 May 2011 02:05 To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not Seriously guys. Why would anyone other than the two of you need to read this. It's a personal conversation. We all know who you both are and your achievements etc. The longer the conversation goes on the more off topic it becomes :-) -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.venturevoip.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News) http://www.venturevoip.com/exchange.php (Full ITSP Solution) http://www.venturevoip.com/cc.php (Call Centre Solutions) -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users If you have received this communication in error we would appreciate you advising us either by telephone or return of e-mail. The contents of this message, and any attachments, are the property of DataVox, and are intended for the confidential use of the named recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient, take note that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its attachments is strictly prohibited, and may be subject to civil or criminal action for which you may be liable. Every effort has been made to ensure that this e-mail or any attachments are free from viruses. While the company has taken every reasonable precaution to minimise this risk, neither company, nor the sender can accept liability for any damage which you sustain as a result of viruses. It is recommended that you should carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachments. Registered in England. No. 27459085. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Sherwood McGowan Telecommunications and VOIP Consultant -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not
Definitely, especially with a nice chianti and some fava beans...*slurping sound* On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Matt Riddell li...@venturevoip.com wrote: On 17/05/11 5:24 PM, Sherwood McGowan wrote: I like puppies Yeah, much more tasty than fully grown dogs :-P -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.venturevoip.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News) http://www.venturevoip.com/exchange.php (Full ITSP Solution) http://www.venturevoip.com/cc.php (Call Centre Solutions) -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Sherwood McGowan Telecommunications and VOIP Consultant -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not
And why would you post a reply 5 days after my last post - and 4 days after the threads last one? Do you want to keep this thread going? I suggest letting it die on it's own. _ -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Matt Riddell Sent: 17 May 2011 02:05 To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not Seriously guys. Why would anyone other than the two of you need to read this. It's a personal conversation. We all know who you both are and your achievements etc. The longer the conversation goes on the more off topic it becomes :-) -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.venturevoip.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News) http://www.venturevoip.com/exchange.php (Full ITSP Solution) http://www.venturevoip.com/cc.php (Call Centre Solutions) -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users If you have received this communication in error we would appreciate you advising us either by telephone or return of e-mail. The contents of this message, and any attachments, are the property of DataVox, and are intended for the confidential use of the named recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient, take note that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its attachments is strictly prohibited, and may be subject to civil or criminal action for which you may be liable. Every effort has been made to ensure that this e-mail or any attachments are free from viruses. While the company has taken every reasonable precaution to minimise this risk, neither company, nor the sender can accept liability for any damage which you sustain as a result of viruses. It is recommended that you should carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachments. Registered in England. No. 27459085. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not
Seriously guys. Why would anyone other than the two of you need to read this. It's a personal conversation. We all know who you both are and your achievements etc. The longer the conversation goes on the more off topic it becomes :-) -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.venturevoip.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News) http://www.venturevoip.com/exchange.php (Full ITSP Solution) http://www.venturevoip.com/cc.php (Call Centre Solutions) -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not
I like puppies On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Matt Riddell li...@venturevoip.com wrote: Seriously guys. Why would anyone other than the two of you need to read this. It's a personal conversation. We all know who you both are and your achievements etc. The longer the conversation goes on the more off topic it becomes :-) -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.venturevoip.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News) http://www.venturevoip.com/exchange.php (Full ITSP Solution) http://www.venturevoip.com/cc.php (Call Centre Solutions) -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Sherwood McGowan Telecommunications and VOIP Consultant -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not
+1 /@ \ \ ___ \ (__O) \ (@) \ (@) \ (__o)_\ \\ On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Sherwood McGowan sherwood.mcgo...@gmail.com wrote: I'll keep this brief because I don't want to come across like any more of an a$$ than I absolutely have to, especially since I know I've blown my stack before. Gentlemen (and Ladies, if you're out there), If someone gives you advice on this list, and ESPECIALLY if they give you advice offlist, have the courtesy to (AT THE LEAST) to let them know when/if you get your question answered or your problem solved. As many people point out, on community supported mailing lists and forums around the world, these user lists are comprised of people who are giving their time freely to help others learn about the software the list is about. Sometimes those lists are about software that is quite useful in a commercial setting, perhaps even very much in demand, like Asterisk. Now, you should always appreciate when you get assistance from people on user lists, but when you're asking for help on a list like this one, (where I'd say 80% of the participants on the list are professionals who earn their living by selling their knowledge of how to install, configure, and maintain a server application like Asterisk) it would be extremely appreciated if you show some courtesy to the individual(s) who assisted you for free. I've had several individuals contact me offlist (without being given permission first, which is first and foremost bad form) and ask for my assistance with configuring a feature, troubleshooting an issue, and once I got an email that said something along the lines of: I saw a post on the list where you said you could accomplish insertNiftyFeatureThatDidNotPreviouslyExistHere Tell me how to do it I'm sure many of you have been the recipient of more than your fair share of emails offlist asking for help, and I'm sure a great number of you try to offer assistance. What is bothering me is the fact there seems to be a new trend forming, wherein I don't get a repsonse from the person I tried to help, even when I can feel confident in saying that I know I gave them the piece of information they needed in order to answer their question and accomplish the goal of making Asterisk perform the way they wanted. Has anyone else noticed this trend? Those of you who are making the requests, is there a reason why you don't feel the need to be courteous and at least say, Hey that advice worked, everything's working now? Next time you ask for help, especially when it's offlist (and even MORE SO when you're contacting someone you weren't invited to contact offlist), I want you to remember that the person you're contacting usually gets paid for their time as an Asterisk professional, and that they're helping you for free. Hell, if you want to get down to brass tacks about it, thatr person who is taking the time to try and help you is increasing his or her own professional competition.. that's all...nothing super rude, but I had to get that one out there I get annoyed when I answer about 12-13 questions (all in separate emails, mind you) from someone, and then I never get even find out if I was successful in helping them -- Sherwood McGowan Telecommunications and VOIP Consultant -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not
[This is my last post in this thread - as I really CBA anymore!] Wow! You really don't see it do you? Fair enough. I thought you were just playing along with my 'ego baiting' game - but it seems I hit the mother load of all ego's here. Apologies to all 'watchers' - but this was intended as a bit of fun - and I thought Steve was just playing along. Seems I was wrong. As a parting gesture though - I'll give you an example from your first post in here (which reads more like a CV/resume than a post! [in fact, they all do]): I was the number 1 poster on this list a couple of years ago I don't really do job searches, I am usually offered a job or project and approached by the client. My last trip was to Iraq, but I have been to Senegal, Sierra Leone, Guinea, Ghana, Liberia to help rebuild the infrastructure for USAID. For the Dept of State, I set up... For DoD/Dos, I cannot really say much except... How many VoIP guys were taking ak47 rounds while I was on top of the Iraqi Government building... A bit further in to the thread: Would you say that I am a productive member of the list and go pretty far out of my way to help people? Most of the time give useful info, like the Outbound Caller ID thread? [fish] And again: I do not email people... - then why did you just e-mail me off list? Your last post: ...because I own thousands of ounces of silver bullion... Everyone a winner [and not one relevant to the thread or the discussion]. Anyway - truth does indeed hurt mate. Grab yourself a Kleenex as I throw you back in to the pond. Goodbye. From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve Totaro Sent: 11 May 2011 17:36 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not I am not upset in least, well I am but that's because I own thousands of ounces of silver bullion and I am watching in get pummeled again. Good thing I bought the bulk of it when it was only $12 an ounce. http://www.kitco.com/charts/livesilver.html You are an angry person and it is sad. It is also sad that the example I requested earlier is something posted later. The only reason for that is because you had nothing to back up any of your rage. Seek help, please. If you feel like you want to hurt yourself or others, have yourself committed right away. I am serious. If you are voluntary, you can leave when you want. Thanks, Steve Totaro On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Andrew Thomas a...@datavox.co.uk wrote: Seems I have upset the God that is Steve Totaro! You want an example? OK - your last post. Has nothing to do with the thread (or our 'discussion') but yet you chose to post it as yet another self pat-on-the-back! I could produce a lot more - but you now bore me. You know it must be so hard being so perfect Steve. I so wish I was you! Have a really nice day :) From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve Totaro Sent: 11 May 2011 16:38 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not Yeah, I am not sure why dude went on the offensive. Got emotional but could not produce a single example of the name calling and insults he was hurling at me. Here is an email I received a very short time ago. Sender and company's name have been removed. | to Steve show details 9:15 AM (2 hours ago) steve, I haven't been active in the * community for a while but ran across an interesting project that I would like to pursue. [COMPANY] in springfield needs a * admin part time and I could use the steady income plus I would like to get my hands back into *... I wanted to check with you first because this is your neck of the woods... do you have any experience with them? recently, I have been just lurking on the [asterisk-] lists. thanks for supporting the [asterisk-] groups in a big way. On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Sherwood McGowan sherwood.mcgo...@gmail.com wrote: Wow...somehow this turned into a something so much darker than the original intent*sits back and watches the show* Thanks guys, that little mini bonfire made an otherwise boring day into an entertaining Asterisk-Users version of WWE Raw. Cheers! Sherwood McGowan --
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But it is all true. Don't rage on me if you are upset by my accomplishments. It was to establish the conditions I work under and the fact that I can and do solve almost all of my setbacks myself in very disparate setups, from VSAT, poorest countries in the world, war, explosions, getting shot at. I was there when the Ministry of Justice was bombed. I try everything under the sun and logically work out the the issue and get the job done. I have never expected someone to feed me the answers with a silver spoon. I am way too old school for that. To be honest, the list didn't help me very much except to the extent that I had to breakdown the problem and what was tried in words. Generally, after hitting send and re-reading my question, I answered it myself. It was the act of verbalizing and defining the problem rather than having it be something abstract in my mind. I don't try to tell people what to do about posting the solution It's all on the wheel, it all comes around. Don't hate. and don't let people live rent free in your head. Was all of this rage and hate necessary? Did I insult you in some way? I don't think I did any name calling or hating. Again, if you are depressed or feel like you want to hurt yourself or others, commit yourself, get help, the world will still be here when you are better able to deal with it. Don't lie to yourself and others, this was never meant to be this was intended as a bit of fun BS. http://www.drirene.com/thine_own.htm Thanks, Steve Totaro On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 3:01 AM, Andrew Thomas a...@datavox.co.uk wrote: [This is my last post in this thread - as I really CBA anymore!] Wow! You really don't see it do you? Fair enough. I thought you were just playing along with my 'ego baiting' game - but it seems I hit the mother load of all ego's here. Apologies to all 'watchers' - but this was intended as a bit of fun - and I thought Steve was just playing along. Seems I was wrong. As a parting gesture though - I'll give you an example from your first post in here (which reads more like a CV/resume than a post! [in fact, they all do]): I was the number 1 poster on this list a couple of years ago I don't really do job searches, I am usually offered a job or project and approached by the client. My last trip was to Iraq, but I have been to Senegal, Sierra Leone, Guinea, Ghana, Liberia to help rebuild the infrastructure for USAID. For the Dept of State, I set up... For DoD/Dos, I cannot really say much except... How many VoIP guys were taking ak47 rounds while I was on top of the Iraqi Government building... A bit further in to the thread: Would you say that I am a productive member of the list and go pretty far out of my way to help people? Most of the time give useful info, like the Outbound Caller ID thread? [fish] And again: I do not email people... - then why did you just e-mail me off list? Your last post: ...because I own thousands of ounces of silver bullion... Everyone a winner [and not one relevant to the thread or the discussion]. Anyway - truth does indeed hurt mate. Grab yourself a Kleenex as I throw you back in to the pond. Goodbye. -- *From:* asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Totaro *Sent:* 11 May 2011 17:36 *To:* Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion *Subject:* Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not I am not upset in least, well I am but that's because I own thousands of ounces of silver bullion and I am watching in get pummeled again. Good thing I bought the bulk of it when it was only $12 an ounce. http://www.kitco.com/charts/livesilver.html You are an angry person and it is sad. It is also sad that the example I requested earlier is something posted later. The only reason for that is because you had nothing to back up any of your rage. Seek help, please. If you feel like you want to hurt yourself or others, have yourself committed right away. I am serious. If you are voluntary, you can leave when you want. Thanks, Steve Totaro On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Andrew Thomas a...@datavox.co.ukwrote: Seems I have upset the God that is Steve Totaro! You want an example? OK - your last post. Has nothing to do with the thread (or our 'discussion') but yet you chose to post it as yet another self pat-on-the-back! I could produce a lot more - but you now bore me. You know it must be so hard being so perfect Steve. I so wish I was you! Have a really nice day :) -- *From:* asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Totaro *Sent:* 11 May 2011 16:38 *To:* Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion *Subject:* Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least
Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not
This is beginning to turn even more unpleasant than the original breach of netiquette which prompted the discussion -- like one of those fights which starts with a raised voice, escalates to fisticuffs and then weapons, and by the time innocent bystanders are getting injured nobody can even remember the original point being argued. Please, let's all just move on -- and remember to (1) remove extraneous quoted material, because it saves bandwidth; (2) post *below* the points to which we are replying, because that is the natural flow of a conversation; and (3) acknowledge when issues are resolved with at least a quick Thank you, this worked for me -- both to show that no more need be said, and to indicate to future readers of the archives that a working solution was found. Call me an old romantic if you like, but I firmly believe that we owe it to future generations coming to read our posts in the mailing list archives, for them to find the archives as helpful as we found the posts we once had to read in the mailing list archives to get to the position of posting our own answers. -- AJS Answers come *after* questions. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 4:28 AM, A J Stiles asterisk_l...@earthshod.co.ukwrote: This is beginning to turn even more unpleasant than the original breach of netiquette which prompted the discussion -- like one of those fights which starts with a raised voice, escalates to fisticuffs and then weapons, and by the time innocent bystanders are getting injured nobody can even remember the original point being argued. Please, let's all just move on -- and remember to (1) remove extraneous quoted material, because it saves bandwidth; (2) post *below* the points to which we are replying, because that is the natural flow of a conversation; and (3) acknowledge when issues are resolved with at least a quick Thank you, this worked for me -- both to show that no more need be said, and to indicate to future readers of the archives that a working solution was found. Call me an old romantic if you like, but I firmly believe that we owe it to future generations coming to read our posts in the mailing list archives, for them to find the archives as helpful as we found the posts we once had to read in the mailing list archives to get to the position of posting our own answers. -- AJS Answers come *after* questions. Agreed, you should be a Diplomat. I will always defend myself though. If they drop it, I will too. If I am attacked, I will defend. Thanks, Steve Totaro PS 42 is the answer, now what is the quesstion. :) -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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PS 42 is the answer, now what is the quesstion. :) What is the difference between a bird? -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On 12/05/11 9:31 PM, Steve Totaro wrote: PS 42 is the answer, now what is the question. :) Heh, that might be one example where top posting would make sense ;-) -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.venturevoip.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News) http://www.venturevoip.com/exchange.php (Full ITSP Solution) http://www.venturevoip.com/cc.php (Call Centre Solutions) -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Wow! How self-promoting was that post? As for a simple 'that worked' post - as others have already pointed out before you, it's not for self-gratification - it's to help anyone else who has the same/similar problem. I used the list archives quite a lot in my early days - and having the last post in a thread say 'try this, this or this' and no comeback is a pain. A simple 'option 2 worked for me' post at then end would make everything a lot simpler (and beat those deadlines you talked about). As for 'off-list' mailing - please do NOT do it without asking/permission as most people get enough e-mails as it is (from paying customers). Thanks all and have a nice day! From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve Totaro Sent: 11 May 2011 05:47 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Sherwood McGowan sherwood.mcgo...@gmail.com wrote: +1 from me too. The other thing is that when you answer to say the problem has been solved this goes into the archives meaning that people can use Google to answer their own questions rather than having to even ask the list. There have been times when I've searched for a solution to a problem, found like 10 answers, and nobody has said whether they work or not so you have to try all of them. -- Cheers, Matt Riddell Believe me mate, I feel you, on that note. Not only because of my time when I was asking more questions than I was answering, but also from the standpoint of wishing the answers were a little more prevalent for the searching party to find so that I didn't see s many repeats on the list ;-) Cheers guys! -- Sherwood McGowan Telecommunications and VOIP Consultant -1 Since I was the number 1 poster on this list a couple of years ago, I think I can speak with some authority. I just assume that if that person does not ask any more questions, that they have either solved the problem on their own, or I helped them by giving the answer or steering them to it. I don't need a public or private Thank You When I was posting all the time, I figured the ratio of Thank you emails to silence to be about 20 to 1, maybe as high as 50 to 1. People are busy, under a deadline or whatever, I offer help and do not expect anything in return, not even a thank you. Probably because I have and will be one of those people, although my questions are usually a little over the top for the list or can be pointed to something in bugtracker, I have asked many questions when I was stuck and under an all nighter deadline. I would like to thank anyone out there that has helped me over the many, many years dealing with Asterisk and VoIP. It is a blanket thank you for all times I simply moved onto then next hurdle to get my deliverables out on time and working properly and neglected to post a thank you. Before there was any documentation, voip-info amd this list was my savior. The volume of traffic has fallen to almost nothing over the last year or two. I wonder if Digium could post totals as it did when I was shocked to find my name as the #1 poster. It would be cool to see who is the #1 poster now, but I am more interested in what I perceive to be a huge fall off of posting. It could be my email server, since I was getting notices from the list about excessive email bounces and removing me if I did not click a link. That seems to have stopped, and I don't think it was on my side. Back to getting credit or a thank you. What I have received by answering questions or helping to troubleshoot is worth way more than a thank you. I get some name recognition, paid work, large call centers, Sr Positions in high profile jobs. Enough to make a nice living, whether I am independent or in a salaried position. Asterisk has literally taken me all over the world. My last trip was to Iraq, but I have been to Senegal, Sierra Leone, Guinea, Ghana, Liberia to help rebuild the infrastructure for USAID. I don't really do job searches, I am usually offered a job or project and approached by the client. For the Dept of State, I set up prepaid call centers to answer questions and getting a reservation at the various Embassies about obtaining a visa to come to the US. It is called the US visa Information Service For DoD/Dos, I cannot really say much except I can say is that I am probably one of the few Asterisk people that were issued a Glock and M4, bullet proof vests, armored cars, and a PSD team.. How many VoIP guys were taking ak47 rounds while I was on top of the Iraqi Government building,
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On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:47 AM, Steve Totaro stot...@asteriskhelpdesk.com wrote: I don't need a public or private Thank You When I was posting all the time, I figured the ratio of Thank you emails to silence to be about 20 to 1, maybe as high as 50 to 1. I agree with the others who are saying that at least a results post (It worked!) for the benefit of people trying to accomplish or fix something or even an added RESOLVED in the subject wouldn't kill anyone, busy or not. Ending it with a thx is optional, but like chicken soup for a cold, It wouldn't hoit. btw Steve, for the last five years or so, every post you ever write ends with Thanks, so you got it covered. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 3:55 AM, randulo rand...@randulo.com wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:47 AM, Steve Totaro stot...@asteriskhelpdesk.com wrote: I don't need a public or private Thank You When I was posting all the time, I figured the ratio of Thank you emails to silence to be about 20 to 1, maybe as high as 50 to 1. I agree with the others who are saying that at least a results post (It worked!) for the benefit of people trying to accomplish or fix something or even an added RESOLVED in the subject wouldn't kill anyone, busy or not. Ending it with a thx is optional, but like chicken soup for a cold, It wouldn't hoit. btw Steve, for the last five years or so, every post you ever write ends with Thanks, so you got it covered. Thanks Randulo, I am surprised you noticed that. I truly give thanks to all productive members of the Asterisk community. Would you say that I am a productive member of the list and go pretty far out of my way to help people? Most of the time give useful info, like the Outbound Caller ID thread? I may off topic sometimes but that is because I don't think linearly. Tools such as Freemind work very well for me for many applications. Thanks, Steve Totaro -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Steve Totaro stot...@totarotechnologies.com wrote: Thanks Randulo, I am surprised you noticed that. I truly give thanks to all productive members of the Asterisk community. Second that! Would you say that I am a productive member of the list and go pretty far out of my way to help people? Most of the time give useful info, like the Outbound Caller ID thread? I believe so, yes. Especially since you were careful to include the most of the time disclaimer. I may off topic sometimes I'm sorry, I think I can claim the award for OT posts over the past 8 years or so. That includes one that allowed me to find a perl genius (Hi Dave VG) who did some great but totally unrelated work for me. I knew this community would have people like that, so I threw caution to the winds and did the OT post. Got a lot of great answers, too. Thanks! :r -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Sherwood McGowan sherwood.mcgo...@gmail.com wrote: +1 from me too. The other thing is that when you answer to say the problem has been solved this goes into the archives meaning that people can use Google to answer their own questions rather than having to even ask the list. There have been times when I've searched for a solution to a problem, found like 10 answers, and nobody has said whether they work or not so you have to try all of them. -- Cheers, Matt Riddell Believe me mate, I feel you, on that note. Not only because of my time when I was asking more questions than I was answering, but also from the standpoint of wishing the answers were a little more prevalent for the searching party to find so that I didn't see s many repeats on the list ;-) Cheers guys! -- Sherwood McGowan Telecommunications and VOIP Consultant -1 Since I was the number 1 poster on this list a couple of years ago, I think I can speak with some authority. I just assume that if that person does not ask any more questions, that they have either solved the problem on their own, or I helped them by giving the answer or steering them to it. I don't need a public or private Thank You When I was posting all the time, I figured the ratio of Thank you emails to silence to be about 20 to 1, maybe as high as 50 to 1. People are busy, under a deadline or whatever, I offer help and do not expect anything in return, not even a thank you. Probably because I have and will be one of those people, although my questions are usually a little over the top for the list or can be pointed to something in bugtracker, I have asked many questions when I was stuck and under an all nighter deadline. I would like to thank anyone out there that has helped me over the many, many years dealing with Asterisk and VoIP. It is a blanket thank you for all times I simply moved onto then next hurdle to get my deliverables out on time and working properly and neglected to post a thank you. Before there was any documentation, voip-info amd this list was my savior. The volume of traffic has fallen to almost nothing over the last year or two. I wonder if Digium could post totals as it did when I was shocked to find my name as the #1 poster. It would be cool to see who is the #1 poster now, but I am more interested in what I perceive to be a huge fall off of posting. It could be my email server, since I was getting notices from the list about excessive email bounces and removing me if I did not click a link. That seems to have stopped, and I don't think it was on my side. Back to getting credit or a thank you. What I have received by answering questions or helping to troubleshoot is worth way more than a thank you. I get some name recognition, paid work, large call centers, Sr Positions in high profile jobs. Enough to make a nice living, whether I am independent or in a salaried position. Asterisk has literally taken me all over the world. My last trip was to Iraq, but I have been to Senegal, Sierra Leone, Guinea, Ghana, Liberia to help rebuild the infrastructure for USAID. I don't really do job searches, I am usually offered a job or project and approached by the client. For the Dept of State, I set up prepaid call centers to answer questions and getting a reservation at the various Embassies about obtaining a visa to come to the US. It is called the US visa Information Service For DoD/Dos, I cannot really say much except I can say is that I am probably one of the few Asterisk people that were issued a Glock and M4, bullet proof vests, armored cars, and a PSD team.. How many VoIP guys were taking ak47 rounds while I was on top of the Iraqi Government building, setting up the Motorola Canopy system. Luckily the AK is no sniper rifle by an means. I was in IZ and the shooter was in the redzone. I don't need thank yous, although they are nice. I truly have never expected anything when offering help or ideas. I do see why someone should be thanked, even if for nothing more than trying to help, and certainly a resolution to the problem for the archives, but I am not holding my breath. Additionally, having multiple possible answers is not a bad thing. A similar symptom could be caused by many different things. Having several different answers is a great help to me. At least there are many possible answers to try. Judging by who was involved in any archived thread, I can usually pick the correct answer the first time. Thanks for listening to my perspective, Steve T On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 3:49 AM, Andrew Thomas a...@datavox.co.uk wrote: Wow! How self-promoting was that post? As for a simple 'that worked' post - as others have already pointed out before you, it's not for self-gratification -
Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not
Let's not get in to to pissing contest. I am not new to this list (jfyi - I am also a dCAp). I do know who you are (and couldn't care less anymore). I, also, have paying customers (but don't feel the need to gloat about it in here). I am not pretending to know you - as I don't know you on a personal level (and don't wish to). Sorry that you feel the need to fish for compliments - but you just don't get them like that from me (besides which - you have no bait!). You carry on doing what you do - and I'll carry on doing what I do (without braodcasting it to the community). Oh, and pleae don't trip over your ego on the way out. Have a nice day! If you have received this communication in error we would appreciate you advising us either by telephone or return of e-mail. The contents of this message, and any attachments, are the property of DataVox, and are intended for the confidential use of the named recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient, take note that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its attachments is strictly prohibited, and may be subject to civil or criminal action for which you may be liable. Every effort has been made to ensure that this e-mail or any attachments are free from viruses. While the company has taken every reasonable precaution to minimise this risk, neither company, nor the sender can accept liability for any damage which you sustain as a result of viruses. It is recommended that you should carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachments. Registered in England. No. 27459085. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Jealous much? Your logic fails you. If you didn't want to get into a pissing match then why continue after your first statement. dcap means nothing to me, it is like having your A+ cert but good for you. You were the one that brought up paying customers. I simply stated that by helping people on the user's list for free has turned into m0oney making enterprises. I did not gloat. I live in America and I am a capitalist, making money is not a bad thing? Why do you think making money is bad? Please quote where I Gloated, sorry you can't because I didn't. You must have a reading compression problem. I stated many times that I didn't about a think you or anything else. Where did I fish for compliments? Quote it, sorry you cannot because I didn't. Sorry that you feel the need to fish for compliments - but you just don't get them like that from me (besides which - you have no bait!). Was that even English or gibberish. Stating one's accomplishments is fine, it is all true. Ego is a good thing when kept in check. Jealously and lack of reading and comprehension seem to be your order of the day. No worries, I have many jealous people, even in my immediate family. I will continue to proper and do cool things. I am looking at moving to South Korea if they can pay me my target, tax free. Thanks, Steve Totaro On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Andrew Thomas a...@datavox.co.uk wrote: Let's not get in to to pissing contest. I am not new to this list (jfyi - I am also a dCAp). I do know who you are (and couldn't care less anymore). I, also, have paying customers (but don't feel the need to gloat about it in here). I am not pretending to know you - as I don't know you on a personal level (and don't wish to). Sorry that you feel the need to fish for compliments - but you just don't get them like that from me (besides which - you have no bait!). You carry on doing what you do - and I'll carry on doing what I do (without braodcasting it to the community). Oh, and pleae don't trip over your ego on the way out. Have a nice day! If you have received this communication in error we would appreciate you advising us either by telephone or return of e-mail. The contents of this message, and any attachments, are the property of DataVox, and are intended for the confidential use of the named recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient, take note that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its attachments is strictly prohibited, and may be subject to civil or criminal action for which you may be liable. Every effort has been made to ensure that this e-mail or any attachments are free from viruses. While the company has taken every reasonable precaution to minimise this risk, neither company, nor the sender can accept liability for any damage which you sustain as a result of viruses. It is recommended that you should carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachments. Registered in England. No. 27459085. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On 05/11/2011 09:29 AM, Steve Totaro wrote: You must have a reading compression problem. I would love to bzip2 or gzip the reading process. -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 260 Peachtree Street NW Suite 2200 Atlanta, GA 30303 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Alex, thanks for the laugh. I have a wireless keyboard and the batteries are dying. I have been lazy and not picked up some AAAs. I have been using spell check to help. At least the wrong word was spelled correctly, lol. Or he is not really reading what I wrote which was along the same lines as everyone else, but nobody has to post their solutions, it would be nice, but it is a moot point. As far as deadlines and taking a little extra time to send solved, yeah, in a war zone, it could get you killed. Thanks, Steve Totaro On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Alex Balashov abalas...@evaristesys.comwrote: On 05/11/2011 09:29 AM, Steve Totaro wrote: You must have a reading compression problem. I would love to bzip2 or gzip the reading process. -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 260 Peachtree Street NW Suite 2200 Atlanta, GA 30303 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Snore... Now move along please... From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve Totaro Sent: 11 May 2011 14:39 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not Alex, thanks for the laugh. I have a wireless keyboard and the batteries are dying. I have been lazy and not picked up some AAAs. I have been using spell check to help. At least the wrong word was spelled correctly, lol. Or he is not really reading what I wrote which was along the same lines as everyone else, but nobody has to post their solutions, it would be nice, but it is a moot point. As far as deadlines and taking a little extra time to send solved, yeah, in a war zone, it could get you killed. Thanks, Steve Totaro On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Alex Balashov abalas...@evaristesys.com wrote: On 05/11/2011 09:29 AM, Steve Totaro wrote: You must have a reading compression problem. I would love to bzip2 or gzip the reading process. -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 260 Peachtree Street NW Suite 2200 Atlanta, GA 30303 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users If you have received this communication in error we would appreciate you advising us either by telephone or return of e-mail. The contents of this message, and any attachments, are the property of DataVox, and are intended for the confidential use of the named recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient, take note that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its attachments is strictly prohibited, and may be subject to civil or criminal action for which you may be liable. Every effort has been made to ensure that this e-mail or any attachments are free from viruses. While the company has taken every reasonable precaution to minimise this risk, neither company, nor the sender can accept liability for any damage which you sustain as a result of viruses. It is recommended that you should carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachments. Registered in England. No. 27459085. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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I think he does have a very lossy reading compression problem though. It actually works both ways. On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Alex Balashov abalas...@evaristesys.comwrote: On 05/11/2011 09:29 AM, Steve Totaro wrote: You must have a reading compression problem. I would love to bzip2 or gzip the reading process. -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 260 Peachtree Street NW Suite 2200 Atlanta, GA 30303 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Exactly what I would expect from someone that doesn't have a leg to stand on. You move along, I am the one with the guns. Thanks, Steve Totaro On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Andrew Thomas a...@datavox.co.uk wrote: Snore... Now move along please... -- *From:* asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Totaro *Sent:* 11 May 2011 14:39 *To:* Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion *Subject:* Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not Alex, thanks for the laugh. I have a wireless keyboard and the batteries are dying. I have been lazy and not picked up some AAAs. I have been using spell check to help. At least the wrong word was spelled correctly, lol. Or he is not really reading what I wrote which was along the same lines as everyone else, but nobody has to post their solutions, it would be nice, but it is a moot point. As far as deadlines and taking a little extra time to send solved, yeah, in a war zone, it could get you killed. Thanks, Steve Totaro On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Alex Balashov abalas...@evaristesys.comwrote: On 05/11/2011 09:29 AM, Steve Totaro wrote: You must have a reading compression problem. I would love to bzip2 or gzip the reading process. -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 260 Peachtree Street NW Suite 2200 Atlanta, GA 30303 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users If you have received this communication in error we would appreciate you advising us either by telephone or return of e-mail. The contents of this message, and any attachments, are the property of DataVox, and are intended for the confidential use of the named recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient, take note that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its attachments is strictly prohibited, and may be subject to civil or criminal action for which you may be liable. Every effort has been made to ensure that this e-mail or any attachments are free from viruses. While the company has taken every reasonable precaution to minimise this risk, neither company, nor the sender can accept liability for any damage which you sustain as a result of viruses. It is recommended that you should carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachments. Registered in England. No. 27459085. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Wow...somehow this turned into a something so much darker than the original intent*sits back and watches the show* Thanks guys, that little mini bonfire made an otherwise boring day into an entertaining Asterisk-Users version of WWE Raw. Cheers! Sherwood McGowan -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Yeah, I am not sure why dude went on the offensive. Got emotional but could not produce a single example of the name calling and insults he was hurling at me. Here is an email I received a very short time ago. Sender and company's name have been removed. *| to Steve * *show details 9:15 AM (2 hours ago)* * * * steve, I haven't been active in the * community for a while but ran across an interesting project that I would like to pursue. [COMPANY] in springfield needs a * admin part time and I could use the steady income plus I would like to get my hands back into *... I wanted to check with you first because this is your neck of the woods... do you have any experience with them? recently, I have been just lurking on the [asterisk-] lists. thanks for supporting the [asterisk-] groups in a big way. * On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Sherwood McGowan sherwood.mcgo...@gmail.com wrote: Wow...somehow this turned into a something so much darker than the original intent*sits back and watches the show* Thanks guys, that little mini bonfire made an otherwise boring day into an entertaining Asterisk-Users version of WWE Raw. Cheers! Sherwood McGowan -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not
On 05/11/2011 08:39 AM, asterisk-users-requ...@lists.digium.com wrote: Snore... Now move along please... OK, but how about you respecting some basic mailing list etiquette and not quoting the entire thread in your posts so that those of us who wade through these messages as digests don't get carpal tunnel with the scroll wheel on the mouse sifting through your pissing match with another on this list. Take it outside. Your welcome. Myles -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not
Seems I have upset the God that is Steve Totaro! You want an example? OK - your last post. Has nothing to do with the thread (or our 'discussion') but yet you chose to post it as yet another self pat-on-the-back! I could produce a lot more - but you now bore me. You know it must be so hard being so perfect Steve. I so wish I was you! Have a really nice day :) From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve Totaro Sent: 11 May 2011 16:38 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not Yeah, I am not sure why dude went on the offensive. Got emotional but could not produce a single example of the name calling and insults he was hurling at me. Here is an email I received a very short time ago. Sender and company's name have been removed. | to Steve show details 9:15 AM (2 hours ago) steve, I haven't been active in the * community for a while but ran across an interesting project that I would like to pursue. [COMPANY] in springfield needs a * admin part time and I could use the steady income plus I would like to get my hands back into *... I wanted to check with you first because this is your neck of the woods... do you have any experience with them? recently, I have been just lurking on the [asterisk-] lists. thanks for supporting the [asterisk-] groups in a big way. On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Sherwood McGowan sherwood.mcgo...@gmail.com wrote: Wow...somehow this turned into a something so much darker than the original intent*sits back and watches the show* Thanks guys, that little mini bonfire made an otherwise boring day into an entertaining Asterisk-Users version of WWE Raw. Cheers! Sherwood McGowan -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users If you have received this communication in error we would appreciate you advising us either by telephone or return of e-mail. The contents of this message, and any attachments, are the property of DataVox, and are intended for the confidential use of the named recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient, take note that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its attachments is strictly prohibited, and may be subject to civil or criminal action for which you may be liable. Every effort has been made to ensure that this e-mail or any attachments are free from viruses. While the company has taken every reasonable precaution to minimise this risk, neither company, nor the sender can accept liability for any damage which you sustain as a result of viruses. It is recommended that you should carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachments. Registered in England. No. 27459085. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not
I am not upset in least, well I am but that's because I own thousands of ounces of silver bullion and I am watching in get pummeled again. Good thing I bought the bulk of it when it was only $12 an ounce. http://www.kitco.com/charts/livesilver.html You are an angry person and it is sad. It is also sad that the example I requested earlier is something posted later. The only reason for that is because you had nothing to back up any of your rage. Seek help, please. If you feel like you want to hurt yourself or others, have yourself committed right away. I am serious. If you are voluntary, you can leave when you want. Thanks, Steve Totaro On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Andrew Thomas a...@datavox.co.uk wrote: Seems I have upset the God that is Steve Totaro! You want an example? OK - your last post. Has nothing to do with the thread (or our 'discussion') but yet you chose to post it as yet another self pat-on-the-back! I could produce a lot more - but you now bore me. You know it must be so hard being so perfect Steve. I so wish I was you! Have a really nice day :) -- *From:* asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Totaro *Sent:* 11 May 2011 16:38 *To:* Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion *Subject:* Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not Yeah, I am not sure why dude went on the offensive. Got emotional but could not produce a single example of the name calling and insults he was hurling at me. Here is an email I received a very short time ago. Sender and company's name have been removed. *| to Steve * *show details 9:15 AM (2 hours ago)* * **steve, I haven't been active in the * community for a while but ran across an interesting project that I would like to pursue. [COMPANY] in springfield needs a * admin part time and I could use the steady income plus I would like to get my hands back into *... I wanted to check with you first because this is your neck of the woods... do you have any experience with them? recently, I have been just lurking on the [asterisk-] lists. thanks for supporting the [asterisk-] groups in a big way. * On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Sherwood McGowan sherwood.mcgo...@gmail.com wrote: Wow...somehow this turned into a something so much darker than the original intent*sits back and watches the show* Thanks guys, that little mini bonfire made an otherwise boring day into an entertaining Asterisk-Users version of WWE Raw. Cheers! Sherwood McGowan -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users If you have received this communication in error we would appreciate you advising us either by telephone or return of e-mail. The contents of this message, and any attachments, are the property of DataVox, and are intended for the confidential use of the named recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient, take note that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication and its attachments is strictly prohibited, and may be subject to civil or criminal action for which you may be liable. Every effort has been made to ensure that this e-mail or any attachments are free from viruses. While the company has taken every reasonable precaution to minimise this risk, neither company, nor the sender can accept liability for any damage which you sustain as a result of viruses. It is recommended that you should carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachments. Registered in England. No. 27459085. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not
I'll keep this brief because I don't want to come across like any more of an a$$ than I absolutely have to, especially since I know I've blown my stack before. Gentlemen (and Ladies, if you're out there), If someone gives you advice on this list, and ESPECIALLY if they give you advice offlist, have the courtesy to (AT THE LEAST) to let them know when/if you get your question answered or your problem solved. As many people point out, on community supported mailing lists and forums around the world, these user lists are comprised of people who are giving their time freely to help others learn about the software the list is about. Sometimes those lists are about software that is quite useful in a commercial setting, perhaps even very much in demand, like Asterisk. Now, you should always appreciate when you get assistance from people on user lists, but when you're asking for help on a list like this one, (where I'd say 80% of the participants on the list are professionals who earn their living by selling their knowledge of how to install, configure, and maintain a server application like Asterisk) it would be extremely appreciated if you show some courtesy to the individual(s) who assisted you for free. I've had several individuals contact me offlist (without being given permission first, which is first and foremost bad form) and ask for my assistance with configuring a feature, troubleshooting an issue, and once I got an email that said something along the lines of: I saw a post on the list where you said you could accomplish * insertNiftyFeatureThatDidNotPreviouslyExistHere* Tell me how to do it I'm sure many of you have been the recipient of more than your fair share of emails offlist asking for help, and I'm sure a great number of you try to offer assistance. What is bothering me is the fact there seems to be a new trend forming, wherein I don't get a repsonse from the person I tried to help, even when I can feel confident in saying that I know I gave them the piece of information they needed in order to answer their question and accomplish the goal of making Asterisk perform the way they wanted. Has anyone else noticed this trend? Those of you who are making the requests, is there a reason why you don't feel the need to be courteous and at least say, Hey that advice worked, everything's working now? Next time you ask for help, especially when it's offlist (and even MORE SO when you're contacting someone you weren't invited to contact offlist), I want you to remember that the person you're contacting usually gets paid for their time as an Asterisk professional, and that they're helping you for free. Hell, if you want to get down to brass tacks about it, thatr person who is taking the time to try and help you is increasing his or her own professional competition.. that's all...nothing super rude, but I had to get that one out there I get annoyed when I answer about 12-13 questions (all in separate emails, mind you) from someone, and then I never get even find out if I was successful in helping them -- Sherwood McGowan Telecommunications and VOIP Consultant -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Nic Colledge n...@njcolledge.net wrote: +1 I agree with all of this. Just wanted to add that there’s another good reason for not contacting people off-list and that is when you do so you leave no record of your conversation that others can use in future to solve the same problem. You can learn a lot just by reading the archives. Nic. Very good point Nic! Oh and thanks for the +1...Usually when I get on a rant, I piss everyone off ;-) -- Sherwood McGowan Telecommunications and VOIP Consultant -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not
On 11/05/11 11:39 AM, Sherwood McGowan wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Nic Colledge n...@njcolledge.net mailto:n...@njcolledge.net wrote: +1 I agree with all of this. Just wanted to add that there’s another good reason for not contacting people off-list and that is when you do so you leave no record of your conversation that others can use in future to solve the same problem. You can learn a lot just by reading the archives. Very good point Nic! Oh and thanks for the +1...Usually when I get on a rant, I piss everyone off ;-) +1 from me too. The other thing is that when you answer to say the problem has been solved this goes into the archives meaning that people can use Google to answer their own questions rather than having to even ask the list. There have been times when I've searched for a solution to a problem, found like 10 answers, and nobody has said whether they work or not so you have to try all of them. -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.venturevoip.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News) http://www.venturevoip.com/exchange.php (Full ITSP Solution) http://www.venturevoip.com/cc.php (Call Centre Solutions) -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not
+1 from me too. The other thing is that when you answer to say the problem has been solved this goes into the archives meaning that people can use Google to answer their own questions rather than having to even ask the list. There have been times when I've searched for a solution to a problem, found like 10 answers, and nobody has said whether they work or not so you have to try all of them. -- Cheers, Matt Riddell Believe me mate, I feel you, on that note. Not only because of my time when I was asking more questions than I was answering, but also from the standpoint of wishing the answers were a little more prevalent for the searching party to find so that I didn't see s many repeats on the list ;-) Cheers guys! -- Sherwood McGowan Telecommunications and VOIP Consultant -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] When someone helps you, at least let them know if the problem is resolved or not
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Sherwood McGowan sherwood.mcgo...@gmail.com wrote: +1 from me too. The other thing is that when you answer to say the problem has been solved this goes into the archives meaning that people can use Google to answer their own questions rather than having to even ask the list. There have been times when I've searched for a solution to a problem, found like 10 answers, and nobody has said whether they work or not so you have to try all of them. -- Cheers, Matt Riddell Believe me mate, I feel you, on that note. Not only because of my time when I was asking more questions than I was answering, but also from the standpoint of wishing the answers were a little more prevalent for the searching party to find so that I didn't see s many repeats on the list ;-) Cheers guys! -- Sherwood McGowan Telecommunications and VOIP Consultant -1 Since I was the number 1 poster on this list a couple of years ago, I think I can speak with some authority. I just assume that if that person does not ask any more questions, that they have either solved the problem on their own, or I helped them by giving the answer or steering them to it. I don't need a public or private Thank You When I was posting all the time, I figured the ratio of Thank you emails to silence to be about 20 to 1, maybe as high as 50 to 1. People are busy, under a deadline or whatever, I offer help and do not expect anything in return, not even a thank you. Probably because I have and will be one of those people, although my questions are usually a little over the top for the list or can be pointed to something in bugtracker, I have asked many questions when I was stuck and under an all nighter deadline. I would like to thank anyone out there that has helped me over the many, many years dealing with Asterisk and VoIP. It is a blanket thank you for all times I simply moved onto then next hurdle to get my deliverables out on time and working properly and neglected to post a thank you. Before there was any documentation, voip-info amd this list was my savior. The volume of traffic has fallen to almost nothing over the last year or two. I wonder if Digium could post totals as it did when I was shocked to find my name as the #1 poster. It would be cool to see who is the #1 poster now, but I am more interested in what I perceive to be a huge fall off of posting. It could be my email server, since I was getting notices from the list about excessive email bounces and removing me if I did not click a link. That seems to have stopped, and I don't think it was on my side. Back to getting credit or a thank you. What I have received by answering questions or helping to troubleshoot is worth way more than a thank you. I get some name recognition, paid work, large call centers, Sr Positions in high profile jobs. Enough to make a nice living, whether I am independent or in a salaried position. Asterisk has literally taken me all over the world. My last trip was to Iraq, but I have been to Senegal, Sierra Leone, Guinea, Ghana, Liberia to help rebuild the infrastructure for USAID. I don't really do job searches, I am usually offered a job or project and approached by the client. For the Dept of State, I set up prepaid call centers to answer questions and getting a reservation at the various Embassies about obtaining a visa to come to the US. It is called the US visa Information Service For DoD/Dos, I cannot really say much except I can say is that I am probably one of the few Asterisk people that were issued a Glock and M4, bullet proof vests, armored cars, and a PSD team.. How many VoIP guys were taking ak47 rounds while I was on top of the Iraqi Government building, setting up the Motorola Canopy system. Luckily the AK is no sniper rifle by an means. I was in IZ and the shooter was in the redzone. I don't need thank yous, although they are nice. I truly have never expected anything when offering help or ideas. I do see why someone should be thanked, even if for nothing more than trying to help, and certainly a resolution to the problem for the archives, but I am not holding my breath. Additionally, having multiple possible answers is not a bad thing. A similar symptom could be caused by many different things. Having several different answers is a great help to me. At least there are many possible answers to try. Judging by who was involved in any archived thread, I can usually pick the correct answer the first time. Thanks for listening to my perspective, Steve T -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
