RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers

2005-05-12 Thread Anton Krall
If I can help in beta testing or anything, please let me know Matt. 

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|Sent: Miércoles, 11 de Mayo de 2005 10:15 p.m.
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|Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers
|
|Thanks for the suggestion, we are planning a complete overhaul 
|of the user interface later this summer. We definitely want to 
|add more color and buttons and make it look less like a 
|depressing grey utility box.
|
|MATT---
|
|-Original Message-
|From: Anton Krall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:27 PM
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|
|For example, vicidial has great features but the screenshoots 
|for windows show too much info on the screen for end users to 
|learn to like.. The screen is more admin oriented. End users 
|would want more buttons, etc.. For example, take a look at 
|Altigen.com interfaces.. Very end user oriented..
|But Im looking for something open source or more accesible. 
|
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||Could you let us know what you would consider a 'friendlier user 
||interface'?
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||MATT---
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||Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 4:26 PM
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||Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers
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||I like vicidial's features but Im looking for a friendlier user 
||interface..
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|||
|||What exactly are you looking for?
|||
|||There are basically 3 commercial solutions: Aheeva, DACX and
||Sinedialer
|||and there are 2 open-source solutions: ShadyDial and VICIDIAL
|||
|||What features do you need that are not addressed by one of these?
|||
|||MATT---
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|||I took a look but was wondering if there are any other options out 
|||there?
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Viegas
Sent: Miércoles, 11 de Mayo de 2005 04:27 a.m.
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Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers

Hi Anton,

Start by having a look at this:

 http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Predictive+dialer

N

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Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers

Guys.

Anybody know of any predictive dialers for Asterisk and Windows? 

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers

2005-05-11 Thread Nuno Viegas
Hi Anton,

Start by having a look at this:

 http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Predictive+dialer 

N

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Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers

Guys.

Anybody know of any predictive dialers for Asterisk and Windows? 

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers

2005-05-11 Thread Anton Krall
I took a look but was wondering if there are any other options out there? 

|-Original Message-
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|Nuno Viegas
|Sent: Miércoles, 11 de Mayo de 2005 04:27 a.m.
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|Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers
|
|Hi Anton,
|
|Start by having a look at this:
|
| http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Predictive+dialer 
|
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|
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|Anton Krall
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|Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers
|
|Guys.
|
|Anybody know of any predictive dialers for Asterisk and Windows? 
|
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers

2005-05-11 Thread mattf
What exactly are you looking for?

There are basically 3 commercial solutions: Aheeva, DACX and Sinedialer
and there are 2 open-source solutions: ShadyDial and VICIDIAL

What features do you need that are not addressed by one of these?

MATT---


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I took a look but was wondering if there are any other options out there? 

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|Nuno Viegas
|Sent: Miércoles, 11 de Mayo de 2005 04:27 a.m.
|To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
|Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers
|
|Hi Anton,
|
|Start by having a look at this:
|
| http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Predictive+dialer 
|
|N
|
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|Sent: 11 May 2005 10:19
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|Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers
|
|Guys.
|
|Anybody know of any predictive dialers for Asterisk and Windows? 
|
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers

2005-05-11 Thread Anton Krall
I like vicidial's features but Im looking for a friendlier user interface.. 

|-Original Message-
|From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
|[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mattf
|Sent: Miércoles, 11 de Mayo de 2005 01:22 p.m.
|To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
|Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers
|
|What exactly are you looking for?
|
|There are basically 3 commercial solutions: Aheeva, DACX and 
|Sinedialer and there are 2 open-source solutions: ShadyDial 
|and VICIDIAL
|
|What features do you need that are not addressed by one of these?
|
|MATT---
|
|
|-Original Message-
|From: Anton Krall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 1:09 PM
|To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
|Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers
|
|
|I took a look but was wondering if there are any other options 
|out there? 
|
||-Original Message-
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||[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nuno 
||Viegas
||Sent: Miércoles, 11 de Mayo de 2005 04:27 a.m.
||To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
||Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers
||
||Hi Anton,
||
||Start by having a look at this:
||
|| http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Predictive+dialer
||
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||
||-Original Message-
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||[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anton 
||Krall
||Sent: 11 May 2005 10:19
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||Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers
||
||Guys.
||
||Anybody know of any predictive dialers for Asterisk and Windows? 
||
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers

2005-05-11 Thread Francois Lambert


Francois Lambert
COO
Atelka Inc.
Tel. : 514-448-4905 #2200
Cel. : 514-570-4797


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Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 3:32 PM
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Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers

Hi Anton,

We have developed a complete CTI suite for Asterisk that includes a
predictive Dialer. We are supporting 4 modes of dialing, Predictive,
Progressive, Preview and Broadcast as well as full digital recording

Have a look at our web site (www.aheeva.com) or send me an email to get
more information


Francois Lambert
COO
Atelka Inc.
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers

2005-05-11 Thread mattf
Could you let us know what you would consider a 'friendlier user interface'?

MATT---

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I like vicidial's features but Im looking for a friendlier user interface.. 

|-Original Message-
|From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
|[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mattf
|Sent: Miércoles, 11 de Mayo de 2005 01:22 p.m.
|To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
|Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers
|
|What exactly are you looking for?
|
|There are basically 3 commercial solutions: Aheeva, DACX and 
|Sinedialer and there are 2 open-source solutions: ShadyDial 
|and VICIDIAL
|
|What features do you need that are not addressed by one of these?
|
|MATT---
|
|
|-Original Message-
|From: Anton Krall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 1:09 PM
|To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
|Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers
|
|
|I took a look but was wondering if there are any other options 
|out there? 
|
||-Original Message-
||From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
||[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nuno 
||Viegas
||Sent: Miércoles, 11 de Mayo de 2005 04:27 a.m.
||To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
||Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers
||
||Hi Anton,
||
||Start by having a look at this:
||
|| http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Predictive+dialer
||
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||
||-Original Message-
||From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
||[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anton 
||Krall
||Sent: 11 May 2005 10:19
||To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
||Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers
||
||Guys.
||
||Anybody know of any predictive dialers for Asterisk and Windows? 
||
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers

2005-05-11 Thread Michael Welter
Anton Krall wrote:
Guys.
Anybody know of any predictive dialers for Asterisk and Windows? 

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Has anyone heard anything about VBVoice  Aculab?  Sitting behind 
Intel's HMP?
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers

2005-05-11 Thread Anton Krall
For example, vicidial has great features but the screenshoots for windows
show too much info on the screen for end users to learn to like.. The screen
is more admin oriented. End users would want more buttons, etc.. For
example, take a look at Altigen.com interfaces.. Very end user oriented..
But Im looking for something open source or more accesible. 

|-Original Message-
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|[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mattf
|Sent: Miércoles, 11 de Mayo de 2005 03:53 p.m.
|To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
|Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers
|
|Could you let us know what you would consider a 'friendlier 
|user interface'?
|
|MATT---
|
|-Original Message-
|From: Anton Krall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 4:26 PM
|To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
|Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers
|
|
|I like vicidial's features but Im looking for a friendlier 
|user interface.. 
|
||-Original Message-
||From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
||[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mattf
||Sent: Miércoles, 11 de Mayo de 2005 01:22 p.m.
||To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
||Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers
||
||What exactly are you looking for?
||
||There are basically 3 commercial solutions: Aheeva, DACX and 
|Sinedialer 
||and there are 2 open-source solutions: ShadyDial and VICIDIAL
||
||What features do you need that are not addressed by one of these?
||
||MATT---
||
||
||-Original Message-
||From: Anton Krall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
||Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 1:09 PM
||To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
||Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers
||
||
||I took a look but was wondering if there are any other options out 
||there?
||
|||-Original Message-
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|||[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nuno 
|||Viegas
|||Sent: Miércoles, 11 de Mayo de 2005 04:27 a.m.
|||To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
|||Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers
|||
|||Hi Anton,
|||
|||Start by having a look at this:
|||
||| http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Predictive+dialer
|||
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|||
|||-Original Message-
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|||Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers
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|||Guys.
|||
|||Anybody know of any predictive dialers for Asterisk and Windows? 
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers

2005-05-11 Thread mattf
Thanks for the suggestion, we are planning a complete overhaul of the user
interface later this summer. We definitely want to add more color and
buttons and make it look less like a depressing grey utility box.

MATT---

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For example, vicidial has great features but the screenshoots for windows
show too much info on the screen for end users to learn to like.. The screen
is more admin oriented. End users would want more buttons, etc.. For
example, take a look at Altigen.com interfaces.. Very end user oriented..
But Im looking for something open source or more accesible. 

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|Could you let us know what you would consider a 'friendlier 
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|MATT---
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|I like vicidial's features but Im looking for a friendlier 
|user interface.. 
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||What exactly are you looking for?
||
||There are basically 3 commercial solutions: Aheeva, DACX and 
|Sinedialer 
||and there are 2 open-source solutions: ShadyDial and VICIDIAL
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||What features do you need that are not addressed by one of these?
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||MATT---
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||I took a look but was wondering if there are any other options out 
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|||Hi Anton,
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|||Start by having a look at this:
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||| http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Predictive+dialer
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|||Anybody know of any predictive dialers for Asterisk and Windows? 
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers

2004-07-09 Thread mattf
Golly, are you thinking about building a predictive dialer with Asterisk? 

Detecting voicemail and answering machines over 50% of the time is pretty
darn tough, and the way that several commercial churn-dialing systems do it
is to detect silence or other typical audio patterns (like clicks or quite
static) by analyzeing tiny samples(recordings) of the first couple seconds
of the phone call(this is one of the reasons we usually hear a
couple-second-long quiet pause before a telemarketer comes on the line).
This kind of signal processing is very processor intensive for a predictive
dialer system and usually occurs through a dedicated DSP on the board(like
on a Dialog board) like the kind that us Asterisk users don't have to work
with. This makes TRUE predictive dialing on a large scale(more than 6 agents
per server) very difficult on an Asterisk system(many say GOOD to this). 

There are a couple dialer projects going on right now with Asterisk that
have released code:
- Shady-dial (http://shadydial.sourceforge.net/)
Lead by some nice Europeans, they have a beta of it up and running
supposedly handling up to 10 agents per server, although I'm not sure of
exactly what level of 'Predictive' the dialer is(whether it detects
voicemail/answering machines and such). This dialer alters the code of
Asterisk and is dependant upon PostgreSQL as a database backend. There is
some documentation on installation and usage and it is released mostly under
the GPL. This dialer does not restrict what kind of phones you can use with
it(I'd love to hear more from them or people using this system on the
specifics of their project)

- VICIDIAL (http://astguiclient.sf.net/)
Lead by my company, we are currently developing our 6th production
release of a one-call-at-a-time dialer(this is NOT predictive). We have
placed over one million calls through this system in the last 12 months
mostly to the UK and Australia. It has complete installation instructions,
full web-based administration as well as a cross-platform GUI client. It is
mostly written in perl, runs on top of an unaltered Asterisk codebase, is
dependant on a MySQL as it's backend database and is released under the GPL.
If you use this you are limited to SIP clients and Zaptel channels. There
are currently 6 companies that are using this system in production
envoronments that I know about.(I'd love to hear from other companies using
this system too.)

MATT---






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Hi,

I was just wondering if anyone knows how predictive dialers detect 
voicemail and answering machines, and if they could explain to me how 
that works.

Thanks!

Brian.

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers

2004-07-09 Thread C. Maj
On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, mattf waxed:

 - Shady-dial (http://shadydial.sourceforge.net/)
   Lead by some nice Europeans, they have a beta of it up and running
 supposedly handling up to 10 agents per server, although I'm not sure of
 exactly what level of 'Predictive' the dialer is(whether it detects
 voicemail/answering machines and such). This dialer alters the code of
 Asterisk and is dependant upon PostgreSQL as a database backend. There is
 some documentation on installation and usage and it is released mostly under
 the GPL. This dialer does not restrict what kind of phones you can use with
 it(I'd love to hear more from them or people using this system on the
 specifics of their project)

Damn, I wish I was European some days !  Stupid Bush.  But
alas, I am an imperialist American, whose lowly shady dial
is really the bare bones of predictive dialers.

I have been customizing the system for a client, however,
and can't decide yet how much should go back into the
project CVS.  Of course, any changes to the * code base will
always be there; specifically these are changes to allow
phone key results to PostgreSQL.  I think the rest have been
incorporated thru the bug tracker by now as they were
generic enough to be useful by others.

The changes outside CVS are many, including reporting, book
management, and utilizing 2 line LCD displays for name and
address information.  The code is all still written in Tcl.
But while the core dialing routines will be updated in CVS,
it's very much customized for this client's particular
needs in other areas, so I'm not sure all of that code will
make it back in.  However, I am planning to fork off my
*-Tcl manager interface in the very near future, since it's
functional enough to be useful in other projects of mine.
That will probably be released under a BSDish license soon.

There is no capacity yet for answering machine detection,
and frankly, none is planned.  The predictive nature is
simply counting the agents, counting the calls (busy, no
answer, timeout, etc.), timing the calls, and making sure
the abandon rate doesn't get too high.

Currently, the only known system that I'm aware of has been
running 12 hours a day for the past few months with 6 agents.
I am rolling out another one next month of the same size for
the same client.  Connections between the dialer(s) and the
main switch is over IAX, but the agents use analog phones so
those are Zaptel channels.  You could probably use any
connection you want, tho.

It's pretty much hands off at this point, except when
someone gets upset by my music on hold selection.  (I
personally think that Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass
rule.)

For something similar to shady dial, take a look at this:

http://www.predictivedialers.com/products/index.html

 - VICIDIAL (http://astguiclient.sf.net/)
   Lead by my company, we are currently developing our 6th production
 release of a one-call-at-a-time dialer(this is NOT predictive). We have
 placed over one million calls through this system in the last 12 months
 mostly to the UK and Australia. It has complete installation instructions,
 full web-based administration as well as a cross-platform GUI client. It is
 mostly written in perl, runs on top of an unaltered Asterisk codebase, is
 dependant on a MySQL as it's backend database and is released under the GPL.
 If you use this you are limited to SIP clients and Zaptel channels. There
 are currently 6 companies that are using this system in production
 envoronments that I know about.(I'd love to hear from other companies using

Matt--

Is VICIDIAL a turn key system ?  Shady dial is getting closer,
but still not there yet.  I mean, I can't ship somebody a
big brown box with instructions and have that be it.

--Chris


-- 
Chris Maj, Rochester
cmaj_at_freedomcorpse_dot_com
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers

2004-07-09 Thread Brian Jones
On 9-Jul-04, at 3:29 PM, mattf wrote:
Golly, are you thinking about building a predictive dialer with 
Asterisk?

Detecting voicemail and answering machines over 50% of the time is 
pretty
darn tough, and the way that several commercial churn-dialing systems 
do it
is to detect silence or other typical audio patterns (like clicks or 
quite
static) by analyzeing tiny samples(recordings) of the first couple 
seconds
of the phone call(this is one of the reasons we usually hear a
couple-second-long quiet pause before a telemarketer comes on the 
line).
This kind of signal processing is very processor intensive for a 
predictive
dialer system and usually occurs through a dedicated DSP on the 
board(like
on a Dialog board) like the kind that us Asterisk users don't have to 
work
with. This makes TRUE predictive dialing on a large scale(more than 6 
agents
per server) very difficult on an Asterisk system(many say GOOD to 
this).
Thanks for the info Matt.  This was exactly what I wanted. :)
I am looking at the possibility of developing some type of predictive 
dialing system, or customize a pre-existing solution.

I might try doing some experiments designing an audio processor to 
detect silence at the beginning of a call.  We'll see what I can come 
up with.

Brian.

There are a couple dialer projects going on right now with Asterisk 
that
have released code:
- Shady-dial (http://shadydial.sourceforge.net/)
	Lead by some nice Europeans, they have a beta of it up and running
supposedly handling up to 10 agents per server, although I'm not sure 
of
exactly what level of 'Predictive' the dialer is(whether it detects
voicemail/answering machines and such). This dialer alters the code of
Asterisk and is dependant upon PostgreSQL as a database backend. There 
is
some documentation on installation and usage and it is released mostly 
under
the GPL. This dialer does not restrict what kind of phones you can use 
with
it(I'd love to hear more from them or people using this system on the
specifics of their project)

- VICIDIAL (http://astguiclient.sf.net/)
	Lead by my company, we are currently developing our 6th production
release of a one-call-at-a-time dialer(this is NOT predictive). We have
placed over one million calls through this system in the last 12 months
mostly to the UK and Australia. It has complete installation 
instructions,
full web-based administration as well as a cross-platform GUI client. 
It is
mostly written in perl, runs on top of an unaltered Asterisk codebase, 
is
dependant on a MySQL as it's backend database and is released under 
the GPL.
If you use this you are limited to SIP clients and Zaptel channels. 
There
are currently 6 companies that are using this system in production
envoronments that I know about.(I'd love to hear from other companies 
using
this system too.)

MATT---


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Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 2:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers
Hi,
I was just wondering if anyone knows how predictive dialers detect
voicemail and answering machines, and if they could explain to me how
that works.
Thanks!
Brian.
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers

2004-07-09 Thread mattf
Hello,

Thanks for the long description, Sorry about the European guess, my last
contact involving shady-dial was with someone in France using it with about
10 agents who seemed to know a heck of a lot about it. :)

As for VICIDIAL being turnkey, the VICIDIAL portion of the astguiclient
suite is still at version 0.5(working on 0.6 as we speak), but it is
production quality, and is actually pretty close to where a non-Asterisk
person could realisticly be expected to run it day-to-day. The one small
thing that it is missing is a GUI lead loading module. we had a simple
web-based one included in an early version but one of our clients managed to
load one list in the wrong formats several times, and it took us half the
day to straighten it out, so we just removed the feature and take the 5
minutes a week to load the leads for him(he's a really small operation so it
doesn't take long, other than that, we are hands off on that system). We
will eventually make the lead-loader a separate GUI app that will be very
stupid-proof. 

The major things we are working on right now for VICIDIAL are adding yet
more stats to the administration website and changing the way the leads are
organized and distributed to the agents to speed the system up and allow for
more features in future versions. We are also tinkering with some limited
predictive-dialing(allowing an auto-dialer to call more than one line per
agent and then allocating the calls that aren't busy, disconnected or
telco-voicemail[UK-only] to the first available agent) but that is still in
the testing phases and we aren't sure of the agent capacity with that
feature enabled. 

Speaking of capacity, we have had up to 36 agents dialing on a single
system(with a total of 70 agents dialing on a single campaign across 3
Asterisk servers using a single MySQL server for the database) using the
currently released VICIDIAL code, and in our internal offices we are
averaging about 200,000+ calls placed per month.

VICIDIAL is limited to SIP client phones with Zaptel as the outgoing
channels, while we do not plan on offering any other protocols, it may be
possible to alter the code to fit other protocols if you have the time.
VICIDIAL is also completely dependant upon the GUI client written in perl/TK
to function. The GUI client runs on Win32 and Xwindows UNIX and is used to
control calls, display lead information, start and stop recording, park and
retrieve calls, do thrid party conference or transfers and launch custom web
pages.

If you or anyone else has any more questions, let me know.

Thanks,

MATT---



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From: C. Maj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 7:23 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Predictive Dialers


On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, mattf waxed:

 - Shady-dial (http://shadydial.sourceforge.net/)
   Lead by some nice Europeans, they have a beta of it up and running
 supposedly handling up to 10 agents per server, although I'm not sure of
 exactly what level of 'Predictive' the dialer is(whether it detects
 voicemail/answering machines and such). This dialer alters the code of
 Asterisk and is dependant upon PostgreSQL as a database backend. There is
 some documentation on installation and usage and it is released mostly
under
 the GPL. This dialer does not restrict what kind of phones you can use
with
 it(I'd love to hear more from them or people using this system on the
 specifics of their project)

Damn, I wish I was European some days !  Stupid Bush.  But
alas, I am an imperialist American, whose lowly shady dial
is really the bare bones of predictive dialers.

I have been customizing the system for a client, however,
and can't decide yet how much should go back into the
project CVS.  Of course, any changes to the * code base will
always be there; specifically these are changes to allow
phone key results to PostgreSQL.  I think the rest have been
incorporated thru the bug tracker by now as they were
generic enough to be useful by others.

The changes outside CVS are many, including reporting, book
management, and utilizing 2 line LCD displays for name and
address information.  The code is all still written in Tcl.
But while the core dialing routines will be updated in CVS,
it's very much customized for this client's particular
needs in other areas, so I'm not sure all of that code will
make it back in.  However, I am planning to fork off my
*-Tcl manager interface in the very near future, since it's
functional enough to be useful in other projects of mine.
That will probably be released under a BSDish license soon.

There is no capacity yet for answering machine detection,
and frankly, none is planned.  The predictive nature is
simply counting the agents, counting the calls (busy, no
answer, timeout, etc.), timing the calls, and making sure
the abandon rate doesn't get too high.

Currently, the only known system that I'm aware of has been
running 12 hours a day for the past few months with 6 agents