Re: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List
Keep reading. The person that actually does the calling needs to be registered. You can't provide the list to others either. Kevin Don Fanning wrote: Oddly enough, there's really nothing stopping one from doing so in the material I just scan through at: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/rulemaking/tsr/tsrrulemaking/index.htm http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/rulemaking/tsr/tsrrulemaking/index.htm In regards to the fee, here is the latest: The amended rule increases the annual fee for access to the Registry for each area code of data to $62 per area code, or $31 per area code of data during the second six months of an entity's annual subscription period. The maximum amount that would be charged to any single entity for accessing 280 area codes of data or more is increased to $17,050. In addition, the amended rule retains the provisions regarding free access by exempt organizations, as well as free access to the first five area codes of data by all entities. In particular, here is the part on the usage... If a central database (external from the FTC) does start up, they'll have to register who uses the database. --- § 310.9 Fee for access to do-not-call registry. (c) Access to the do-not-call registry is limited to telemarketers working on their own behalf or working on behalf of other sellers or telemarketers. Prior to accessing the do-not-call registry, a telemarketer must provide the identifying information required by the operator of the registry to collect the user fee, and must certify, under penalty of law, that the telemarketer is accessing the registry solely to comply with the provisions of this rule. If the telemarketer is accessing the registry on behalf of other sellers or telemarketers, that telemarketer also must identify each of the other sellers or telemarketers on whose behalf it is accessing the registry, and it must certify, under penalty of law, that the other sellers or telemarketers will be using the information gathered from the registry solely to comply with the provisions of this rule. -Original Message- From: Dean Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:45 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List I'm surprised someone doesn't come up with a consortium for all the asterisk users to poll a central location or does the data come with restrictions about sharing the data? Duane from e164.org says he's already built the application you are looking for to deal with Australian databases if that helps. Cheers, Dean ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List
Thanks for looking into this further Kevin. I guess this knocks a 'formal' asterisk asp sharing agreement on the head. I can understand why they have done this but also sucks for people installing asterisk using this. At least the formal data sets are documented so a module for lookup prior to calling can be checked against. I haven't checked as this isn't my space but I guess anyone offering predictive dialers to asterisk is already building this into their product offerings (or coding as we speak). Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bockman Sent: Sunday, 19 November 2006 12:12 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List Keep reading. The person that actually does the calling needs to be registered. You can't provide the list to others either. Kevin Don Fanning wrote: Oddly enough, there's really nothing stopping one from doing so in the material I just scan through at: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/rulemaking/tsr/tsrrulemaking/index.htm http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/rulemaking/tsr/tsrrulemaking/index.htm In regards to the fee, here is the latest: The amended rule increases the annual fee for access to the Registry for each area code of data to $62 per area code, or $31 per area code of data during the second six months of an entity's annual subscription period. The maximum amount that would be charged to any single entity for accessing 280 area codes of data or more is increased to $17,050. In addition, the amended rule retains the provisions regarding free access by exempt organizations, as well as free access to the first five area codes of data by all entities. In particular, here is the part on the usage... If a central database (external from the FTC) does start up, they'll have to register who uses the database. --- § 310.9 Fee for access to do-not-call registry. (c) Access to the do-not-call registry is limited to telemarketers working on their own behalf or working on behalf of other sellers or telemarketers. Prior to accessing the do-not-call registry, a telemarketer must provide the identifying information required by the operator of the registry to collect the user fee, and must certify, under penalty of law, that the telemarketer is accessing the registry solely to comply with the provisions of this rule. If the telemarketer is accessing the registry on behalf of other sellers or telemarketers, that telemarketer also must identify each of the other sellers or telemarketers on whose behalf it is accessing the registry, and it must certify, under penalty of law, that the other sellers or telemarketers will be using the information gathered from the registry solely to comply with the provisions of this rule. -Original Message- From: Dean Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:45 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List I'm surprised someone doesn't come up with a consortium for all the asterisk users to poll a central location or does the data come with restrictions about sharing the data? Duane from e164.org says he's already built the application you are looking for to deal with Australian databases if that helps. Cheers, Dean ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List
This part below did say you can be a 3rd party. If the telemarketer is accessing the registry on behalf of other sellers or telemarketers, that telemarketer also must identify each of the other sellers or telemarketers on whose behalf it is accessing the registry, and it must certify, under penalty of law, that the other sellers or telemarketers will be using the information gathered from the registry solely to comply with the provisions of this rule. -Original Message- From: Kevin Bockman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 9:12 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List Keep reading. The person that actually does the calling needs to be registered. You can't provide the list to others either. Kevin Don Fanning wrote: Oddly enough, there's really nothing stopping one from doing so in the material I just scan through at: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/rulemaking/tsr/tsrrulemaking/index.htm http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/rulemaking/tsr/tsrrulemaking/index.htm http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/rulemaking/tsr/tsrrulemaking/index.htm http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/rulemaking/tsr/tsrrulemaking/index.htm In regards to the fee, here is the latest: The amended rule increases the annual fee for access to the Registry for each area code of data to $62 per area code, or $31 per area code of data during the second six months of an entity's annual subscription period. The maximum amount that would be charged to any single entity for accessing 280 area codes of data or more is increased to $17,050. In addition, the amended rule retains the provisions regarding free access by exempt organizations, as well as free access to the first five area codes of data by all entities. In particular, here is the part on the usage... If a central database (external from the FTC) does start up, they'll have to register who uses the database. --- § 310.9 Fee for access to do-not-call registry. (c) Access to the do-not-call registry is limited to telemarketers working on their own behalf or working on behalf of other sellers or telemarketers. Prior to accessing the do-not-call registry, a telemarketer must provide the identifying information required by the operator of the registry to collect the user fee, and must certify, under penalty of law, that the telemarketer is accessing the registry solely to comply with the provisions of this rule. If the telemarketer is accessing the registry on behalf of other sellers or telemarketers, that telemarketer also must identify each of the other sellers or telemarketers on whose behalf it is accessing the registry, and it must certify, under penalty of law, that the other sellers or telemarketers will be using the information gathered from the registry solely to comply with the provisions of this rule. -Original Message- From: Dean Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:45 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List I'm surprised someone doesn't come up with a consortium for all the asterisk users to poll a central location or does the data come with restrictions about sharing the data? Duane from e164.org says he's already built the application you are looking for to deal with Australian databases if that helps. Cheers, Dean ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users _ ella for Spam Control has removed 3979 Spam messages and set aside 119 Newsletters for me You can use it too - and it's FREE! www.ellaforspam.com http://www.ellaforspam.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List
I have a request into their operations @ the FTC asking for developer access to write a module based on their data. We'll see... -Original Message- From: Dean Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 9:18 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List Thanks for looking into this further Kevin. I guess this knocks a 'formal' asterisk asp sharing agreement on the head. I can understand why they have done this but also sucks for people installing asterisk using this. At least the formal data sets are documented so a module for lookup prior to calling can be checked against. I haven't checked as this isn't my space but I guess anyone offering predictive dialers to asterisk is already building this into their product offerings (or coding as we speak). Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bockman Sent: Sunday, 19 November 2006 12:12 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List Keep reading. The person that actually does the calling needs to be registered. You can't provide the list to others either. Kevin Don Fanning wrote: Oddly enough, there's really nothing stopping one from doing so in the material I just scan through at: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/rulemaking/tsr/tsrrulemaking/index.htm http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/rulemaking/tsr/tsrrulemaking/index.htm http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/rulemaking/tsr/tsrrulemaking/index.htm http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/rulemaking/tsr/tsrrulemaking/index.htm In regards to the fee, here is the latest: The amended rule increases the annual fee for access to the Registry for each area code of data to $62 per area code, or $31 per area code of data during the second six months of an entity's annual subscription period. The maximum amount that would be charged to any single entity for accessing 280 area codes of data or more is increased to $17,050. In addition, the amended rule retains the provisions regarding free access by exempt organizations, as well as free access to the first five area codes of data by all entities. In particular, here is the part on the usage... If a central database (external from the FTC) does start up, they'll have to register who uses the database. --- § 310.9 Fee for access to do-not-call registry. (c) Access to the do-not-call registry is limited to telemarketers working on their own behalf or working on behalf of other sellers or telemarketers. Prior to accessing the do-not-call registry, a telemarketer must provide the identifying information required by the operator of the registry to collect the user fee, and must certify, under penalty of law, that the telemarketer is accessing the registry solely to comply with the provisions of this rule. If the telemarketer is accessing the registry on behalf of other sellers or telemarketers, that telemarketer also must identify each of the other sellers or telemarketers on whose behalf it is accessing the registry, and it must certify, under penalty of law, that the other sellers or telemarketers will be using the information gathered from the registry solely to comply with the provisions of this rule. -Original Message- From: Dean Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:45 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List I'm surprised someone doesn't come up with a consortium for all the asterisk users to poll a central location or does the data come with restrictions about sharing the data? Duane from e164.org says he's already built the application you are looking for to deal with Australian databases if that helps. Cheers, Dean ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users _ ella for Spam Control has removed 3979 Spam messages and set aside 119 Newsletters for me You can use it too - and it's FREE! www.ellaforspam.com http
RE: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List
A quick google search says there isn't anything written yet. But looking at the database itself, it seems pretty easy to import data into a sql table or do xml pulls from them directly.. https://www.donotcall.gov/FAQ/FAQBusiness.aspx#download https://www.donotcall.gov/FAQ/FAQBusiness.aspx#download It wouldn't be hard to code up at all actually... a little perl magic and voila. ;) Who needs a weekend project? -Original Message- From: Matthew Rubenstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:18 PM To: Asterisk-Users Subject: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List The US has a Do Not Call list to which people can subscribe to prevent being called by advertisers. Federal laws (strengthened by some state and more local laws) assign penalties for calling people/phones on the DNCL. Is there a query gateway that Asterisk (or an app using Asterisk) can filter through to ensure a number is OK to call (not on the list) before calling it? -- (C) Matthew Rubenstein ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users _ ella for Spam Control has removed 3785 Spam messages and set aside 117 Newsletters for me You can use it too - and it's FREE! www.ellaforspam.com http://www.ellaforspam.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List
It wouldn't be hard to code up at all actually... a little perl magic and voila. ;) Who needs a weekend project? The Perl magic would be easy. Writing the check to pay for all of that data is what is so hard... -MC ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List
I'm surprised someone doesn't come up with a consortium for all the asterisk users to poll a central location or does the data come with restrictions about sharing the data? Duane from e164.org says he's already built the application you are looking for to deal with Australian databases if that helps. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Collins Sent: Friday, 17 November 2006 6:35 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List It wouldn't be hard to code up at all actually... a little perl magic and voila. ;) Who needs a weekend project? The Perl magic would be easy. Writing the check to pay for all of that data is what is so hard... -MC ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List
Depending on your organization, you're allowed up to 5 area codes for free. -Original Message- From: Michael Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:35 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List It wouldn't be hard to code up at all actually... a little perl magic and voila. ;) Who needs a weekend project? The Perl magic would be easy. Writing the check to pay for all of that data is what is so hard... -MC ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users _ ella for Spam Control has removed 3789 Spam messages and set aside 117 Newsletters for me You can use it too - and it's FREE! www.ellaforspam.com http://www.ellaforspam.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List
Oddly enough, there's really nothing stopping one from doing so in the material I just scan through at: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/rulemaking/tsr/tsrrulemaking/index.htm http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/rulemaking/tsr/tsrrulemaking/index.htm In regards to the fee, here is the latest: The amended rule increases the annual fee for access to the Registry for each area code of data to $62 per area code, or $31 per area code of data during the second six months of an entity's annual subscription period. The maximum amount that would be charged to any single entity for accessing 280 area codes of data or more is increased to $17,050. In addition, the amended rule retains the provisions regarding free access by exempt organizations, as well as free access to the first five area codes of data by all entities. In particular, here is the part on the usage... If a central database (external from the FTC) does start up, they'll have to register who uses the database. --- § 310.9 Fee for access to do-not-call registry. (c) Access to the do-not-call registry is limited to telemarketers working on their own behalf or working on behalf of other sellers or telemarketers. Prior to accessing the do-not-call registry, a telemarketer must provide the identifying information required by the operator of the registry to collect the user fee, and must certify, under penalty of law, that the telemarketer is accessing the registry solely to comply with the provisions of this rule. If the telemarketer is accessing the registry on behalf of other sellers or telemarketers, that telemarketer also must identify each of the other sellers or telemarketers on whose behalf it is accessing the registry, and it must certify, under penalty of law, that the other sellers or telemarketers will be using the information gathered from the registry solely to comply with the provisions of this rule. -Original Message- From: Dean Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:45 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List I'm surprised someone doesn't come up with a consortium for all the asterisk users to poll a central location or does the data come with restrictions about sharing the data? Duane from e164.org says he's already built the application you are looking for to deal with Australian databases if that helps. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Collins Sent: Friday, 17 November 2006 6:35 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List It wouldn't be hard to code up at all actually... a little perl magic and voila. ;) Who needs a weekend project? The Perl magic would be easy. Writing the check to pay for all of that data is what is so hard... -MC ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users _ ella for Spam Control has removed 3790 Spam messages and set aside 117 Newsletters for me You can use it too - and it's FREE! www.ellaforspam.com http://www.ellaforspam.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List
I know in Australia there was a company setting up a database for dnc list in Australia but I've never heard of one here. Because of the fiduciary risks involved I imagine it would need to be a commercial business (or at least a consortium defraying costs). Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Rubenstein Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2006 12:18 AM To: Asterisk-Users Subject: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List The US has a Do Not Call list to which people can subscribe to prevent being called by advertisers. Federal laws (strengthened by some state and more local laws) assign penalties for calling people/phones on the DNCL. Is there a query gateway that Asterisk (or an app using Asterisk) can filter through to ensure a number is OK to call (not on the list) before calling it? -- (C) Matthew Rubenstein ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Do Not Call List
Am Donnerstag, den 16.11.2006, 00:18 -0500 schrieb Matthew Rubenstein: The US has a Do Not Call list to which people can subscribe to prevent being called by advertisers. Federal laws (strengthened by some state and more local laws) assign penalties for calling people/phones on the DNCL. Is there a query gateway that Asterisk (or an app using Asterisk) can filter through to ensure a number is OK to call (not on the list) before calling it? May I recommend reading http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/business/alerts/alt129.htm and https://telemarketing.donotcall.gov For more than 5 area codes, you will have to pay to access the data - it seems you can download number lists then to compare to your customers phone numbers list. 5 or less area codes are free. If you call nationwide prepare to pay some 17k$ for the lists for all area codes. HTH Anselm ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
