RE: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on MS Virtual Server
I think you missed out a *NOT* below... In short, you *CANNOT* install or otherwise use any hardware cards, like Zaptel, with Asterisk when running on CoLinux and generally, I'll advise you to not use Astwind for anything other then playing. It's a nice toy, but that is all. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gilad Ben-Yossef Sent: 02 March 2005 14:59 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on MS Virtual Server Turgut Abacioglu wrote: Hello I downloaded Astwind and get working the network (means can access to Internet through MS Windows). DEbian and Asterisk files are updated from Internet. But When I make install in Zaptel (it was my first make) I got many errors. Acoording to one manual this happens when we do not have modeversion .h kernel header file (according to it, it should reside in /usr/src/linux) which in /usr/src/linux, a make menuconfig will create it. BuT I do not have the linux dir (in /usr/src) and kernel source files thus modversion.h file. In addition I do not know how to download kernel files to linux directory (I tried apt-get but I could not format properly the /etc/spt/source.list file) Could you help. Am I in the correct path? No, you are not. Zaptel is a driver to hardware cards. CoLinux (on which Astwind is based) is a virtual Linux running as a Windows task. Virtual here means - no hardware. In short, you can install or otherwise use any hardware cards, like Zaptel, with Asterisk when running on CoLinux and generally, I'll advise you to not use Astwind for anything other then playing. It's a nice toy, but that is all. Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] Codefidence. A name you can trust(tm) Web: http://codefidence.com | SIP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +972.9.8650475 ext. 201 | Fax: +972.9.8850643 I am Jack's Overwritten Stack Pointer -- Hackers Club, the movie ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on MS Virtual Server
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, Turgut Abacioglu wrote: Hello I downloaded Astwind and get working the network (means can access to Internet through MS Windows). DEbian and Asterisk files are updated from Internet. But When I make install in Zaptel (it was my first make) I got many errors. Acoording to one manual this happens when we do not have modeversion .h kernel header file (according to it, it should reside in /usr/src/linux) which in /usr/src/linux, a make menuconfig will create it. You cannot build Zaptel under AstWind. There is no reason to build it, as the Digium hardware will not be addressable by the CoLinux kernel. -- Vice President of N2Net, a New Age Consulting Service, Inc. Company http://www.n2net.net Where everything clicks into place! KP-216-121-ST ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on MS Virtual Server
Hello I downloaded Astwind and get working the network (means can access to Internet through MS Windows). DEbian and Asterisk files are updated from Internet. But When I make install in Zaptel (it was my first make) I got many errors. Acoording to one manual this happens when we do not have modeversion .h kernel header file (according to it, it should reside in /usr/src/linux) which in /usr/src/linux, a make menuconfig will create it. BuT I do not have the linux dir (in /usr/src) and kernel source files thus modversion.h file. In addition I do not know how to download kernel files to linux directory (I tried apt-get but I could not format properly the /etc/spt/source.list file) Could you help. Am I in the correct path? Regards Turgut -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Boehnlein Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 8:04 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on MS Virtual Server On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Paul Tyreman wrote: http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=astwind I think this may be worth a look, I'm downloading it as I type this e-mail... I didn't know Asterisk had the possibility of being run on a windows machine and while it's not as stable as a Linux implementation, it might just do for the moment, as I don't have many users. Is there any documentation on this windows based software, or if not, do you know where I can get more info on it ? Thanks, Paul. Paul, Since I maintain AstWind, please feel free to give me your feedback when you get a chance. I'm working on re-packaging and updating AstWind so that it contains a 2.6.8 Colinux kernel, 1.0.5 Asterisk and all of the latest Debian Updates, with a real installer. I.E. not a crappy batch file that just copies stuff over! ;) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on MS Virtual Server
Turgut Abacioglu wrote: Hello I downloaded Astwind and get working the network (means can access to Internet through MS Windows). DEbian and Asterisk files are updated from Internet. But When I make install in Zaptel (it was my first make) I got many errors. Acoording to one manual this happens when we do not have modeversion .h kernel header file (according to it, it should reside in /usr/src/linux) which in /usr/src/linux, a make menuconfig will create it. BuT I do not have the linux dir (in /usr/src) and kernel source files thus modversion.h file. In addition I do not know how to download kernel files to linux directory (I tried apt-get but I could not format properly the /etc/spt/source.list file) Could you help. Am I in the correct path? No, you are not. Zaptel is a driver to hardware cards. CoLinux (on which Astwind is based) is a virtual Linux running as a Windows task. Virtual here means - no hardware. In short, you can install or otherwise use any hardware cards, like Zaptel, with Asterisk when running on CoLinux and generally, I'll advise you to not use Astwind for anything other then playing. It's a nice toy, but that is all. Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] Codefidence. A name you can trust(tm) Web: http://codefidence.com | SIP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +972.9.8650475 ext. 201 | Fax: +972.9.8850643 I am Jack's Overwritten Stack Pointer -- Hackers Club, the movie ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on MS Virtual Server
On Sun, 2005-01-30 at 14:02 +, Paul Tyreman wrote: Hi, This might not be a very popular question, but I was just wondering if anyone have ever tried to run Asterisk on a Windows computer using Microsoft Virtual Server (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/virtualserver/default.mspx). I am told that you can run Linux on a virtual server using this software, so in theory it should be possible. I run a windows based domain, but am also keep run Asterisk. I could use a different computer, but that would use more electricity. So I was thinking on upgrading my server to the latest specs, and trying to run Asterisk on Windows 2003 using this software. If anyone has managed this, I would love to hear from you. Thanks, Paul. Maybe this is not something you would like to consider, but here is *my* 0.02c worth (please read to the end to get the full picture): * Dump windows, and install linux * Install vmware under linux * Install your windows 2003 inside vmware * Install asterisk under linux native * Make sure you start asterisk with -p and as user root This should (in theory) give you a decent asterisk system, and keep your fully functional (well, the same as what you have now) windows server. If your windows domain authentication request is delayed by 90ms, will your users notice? No. If your telephone conversation (audio) is delayed by random times between 10 and 200ms, will your caller's notice? Maybe... Some people report 'acceptable' telephone conversations under pretty bad conditions, but I would prefer the domain authentication stuff to get delayed rather than my call with a customer... Regards, Adam ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on MS Virtual Server
On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 21:36 +1100, Adam Goryachev wrote: On Sun, 2005-01-30 at 14:02 +, Paul Tyreman wrote: Hi, This might not be a very popular question, but I was just wondering if anyone have ever tried to run Asterisk on a Windows computer using Microsoft Virtual Server (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/virtualserver/default.mspx). I am told that you can run Linux on a virtual server using this software, so in theory it should be possible. I run a windows based domain, but am also keep run Asterisk. I could use a different computer, but that would use more electricity. So I was thinking on upgrading my server to the latest specs, and trying to run Asterisk on Windows 2003 using this software. If anyone has managed this, I would love to hear from you. Thanks, Paul. Maybe this is not something you would like to consider, but here is *my* 0.02c worth (please read to the end to get the full picture): * Dump windows, and install linux * Install vmware under linux * Install your windows 2003 inside vmware * Install asterisk under linux native * Make sure you start asterisk with -p and as user root Of course the above goes counter to what we normally preach here. To run vmware you have to run X. We normally say to make sure X is turned off. We normally say to remove all extra functions off of your asterisk machine. I think the original poster is purposely setting asterisk up to fail by trying to put it under unrealistic conditions and expectations. You would not try installing a windows workstation on top of a key system. You don't want to cause your phones to have any problems. Nor will you want anything to bring your phone system down regardless of why. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on MS Virtual Server
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Paul Tyreman wrote: Hi, This might not be a very popular question, but I was just wondering if anyone have ever tried to run Asterisk on a Windows computer using Microsoft Virtual Server (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/virtualserver/default.mspx). [SNIP] If anyone has managed this, I would love to hear from you. Thanks, Paul. It works, but you will have timing issues and very poor audio quality. I've run linux both under Vmware as well as running it under CoLinux directly on windows w/ no emulation neccessary. All emulation / virtualization layers have a problem whereby they are not able to keep up with the interrupt frequency that good quality audio requires, so you will hear pops, drops and buzzes in your conversation. That being said, I did run my Home PBX for several months on a Dual Opteron box running Windows XP and the AstWind package: http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=astwind SIP to IAX2 was OK, and only had some minor glitches. However, when you start involving disk access, the audio falls apart almost entirely. When I asked on the CoLinux mailing list about the reasons for this, they explained that they have to fake interrupt timings for the CoLinux kernel, and as a result they can't gurantee anything consistent for latency between cycles. -- Vice President of N2Net, a New Age Consulting Service, Inc. Company http://www.n2net.net Where everything clicks into place! KP-216-121-ST ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on MS Virtual Server
On 30 Jan 2005, at 14:02, Paul Tyreman wrote: Hi, This might not be a very popular question, but I was just wondering if anyone have ever tried to run Asterisk on a Windows computer using Microsoft Virtual Server (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/virtualserver/ default.mspx). I am told that you can run Linux on a virtual server using this software, so in theory it should be possible. I run a windows based domain, but am also keep run Asterisk. I could use a different computer, but that would use more electricity. So I was thinking on upgrading my server to the latest specs, and trying to run Asterisk on Windows 2003 using this software. Another way to go would be to spend your upgrade money on one of these: https://www.rpanetwork.co.uk/catalogue/basket.rhtm? add=1productID=180544pi=1 It's a low powered server which runs asterisk quite nicely. Installed one with an E1 card last week and it seems fine so far. I had RPA load Suse instead of OpenBSD for better asterisk support. You _might_ get away with running Asterisk in a virtual server, but I bet you'd suffer poor voice quality. Extra layers are bound to introduce latency and Asterisk hates that :-) If anyone has managed this, I would love to hear from you. http://www.westhawk.co.uk/ ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on MS Virtual Server
Another way to go would be to spend your upgrade money on one of these: https://www.rpanetwork.co.uk/catalogue/basket.rhtm? add=1productID=180544pi=1 It's a low powered server which runs asterisk quite nicely. Installed one with an E1 card last week and it seems fine so far. I had RPA load Suse instead of OpenBSD for better asterisk support. These are fantastic machines - we've been buying them as parts and using them for firewalls, routers, etc. and they only draw ~20W of power for a full system. You can also boot them from Compact Flash cards or USB Memory keys so you can produce a system with no hard drive. If you drop to the 600MHz CPU, they don't even need a CPU fan. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on MS Virtual Server
On 30 Jan 2005, at 15:07, Michael 'Moose' Dinn wrote: Another way to go would be to spend your upgrade money on one of these: https://www.rpanetwork.co.uk/catalogue/basket.rhtm? add=1productID=180544pi=1 It's a low powered server which runs asterisk quite nicely. Installed one with an E1 card last week and it seems fine so far. I had RPA load Suse instead of OpenBSD for better asterisk support. These are fantastic machines - we've been buying them as parts and using them for firewalls, routers, etc. and they only draw ~20W of power for a full system. You can also boot them from Compact Flash cards or USB Memory keys so you can produce a system with no hard drive. If you drop to the 600MHz CPU, they don't even need a CPU fan. My real reservation so far is that they have _loads_ of onboard devices that soak up interrupt slots. I've managed to turn off most of them, but I'd like to get rid of 3 of the 4 usb controllers and I can't find the bios button for that. We have a couple of others running as light mail and web servers. Tim. http://www.westhawk.co.uk/ ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on MS Virtual Server
http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=astwind I think this may be worth a look, I'm downloading it as I type this e-mail... I didn't know Asterisk had the possibility of being run on a windows machine and while it's not as stable as a Linux implementation, it might just do for the moment, as I don't have many users. Is there any documentation on this windows based software, or if not, do you know where I can get more info on it ? Thanks, Paul. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Boehnlein Posted At: 30 January 2005 14:43 Posted To: Asterisk-Users Conversation: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on MS Virtual Server Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on MS Virtual Server It works, but you will have timing issues and very poor audio quality. I've run linux both under Vmware as well as running it under CoLinux directly on windows w/ no emulation neccessary. All emulation / virtualization layers have a problem whereby they are not able to keep up with the interrupt frequency that good quality audio requires, so you will hear pops, drops and buzzes in your conversation. That being said, I did run my Home PBX for several months on a Dual Opteron box running Windows XP and the AstWind package: http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=astwind SIP to IAX2 was OK, and only had some minor glitches. However, when you start involving disk access, the audio falls apart almost entirely. When I asked on the CoLinux mailing list about the reasons for this, they explained that they have to fake interrupt timings for the CoLinux kernel, and as a result they can't gurantee anything consistent for latency between cycles. -- Vice President of N2Net, a New Age Consulting Service, Inc. Company http://www.n2net.net Where everything clicks into place! KP-216-121-ST ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on MS Virtual Server
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Paul Tyreman wrote: http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=astwind I think this may be worth a look, I'm downloading it as I type this e-mail... I didn't know Asterisk had the possibility of being run on a windows machine and while it's not as stable as a Linux implementation, it might just do for the moment, as I don't have many users. Is there any documentation on this windows based software, or if not, do you know where I can get more info on it ? Thanks, Paul. Paul, Since I maintain AstWind, please feel free to give me your feedback when you get a chance. I'm working on re-packaging and updating AstWind so that it contains a 2.6.8 Colinux kernel, 1.0.5 Asterisk and all of the latest Debian Updates, with a real installer. I.E. not a crappy batch file that just copies stuff over! ;) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on MS Virtual Server
Hi Greg, On Sun, 2005-30-01 at 09:42 -0500, Greg Boehnlein wrote: It works, but you will have timing issues and very poor audio quality. I've run linux both under Vmware as well as running it under CoLinux directly on windows w/ no emulation neccessary. All emulation / virtualization layers have a problem whereby they are not able to keep up with the interrupt frequency that good quality audio requires, so you will hear pops, drops and buzzes in your conversation. Were the pops/drops/buzzes a problem only with communications via a telephony card? I'm curious to know if one could run * in a vmware session (only VoIP trunks), and if a telephony card is required, run another instance of * (and the card drivers) on the host OS. Thanks Ryan ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on MS Virtual Server
Were the pops/drops/buzzes a problem only with communications via a telephony card? We ran Asterisk in a VPC instance (Redhat 8.0) for 3 months while we evaluated Asterisk. The only reason we had to move to a version of Linux running directly on hardware was a need to run X101P cards. We had no sound issues except when the host machine was printing. The host ran (still does) Windows 2000 Server, has an AMD Duron processor and 1GB RAM. Bill Seddon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Courtnage Sent: January 30, 2005 6:16 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on MS Virtual Server Hi Greg, On Sun, 2005-30-01 at 09:42 -0500, Greg Boehnlein wrote: It works, but you will have timing issues and very poor audio quality. I've run linux both under Vmware as well as running it under CoLinux directly on windows w/ no emulation neccessary. All emulation / virtualization layers have a problem whereby they are not able to keep up with the interrupt frequency that good quality audio requires, so you will hear pops, drops and buzzes in your conversation. Were the pops/drops/buzzes a problem only with communications via a telephony card? I'm curious to know if one could run * in a vmware session (only VoIP trunks), and if a telephony card is required, run another instance of * (and the card drivers) on the host OS. Thanks Ryan ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
