Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
On Monday 06 June 2005 13:15, Chris Modesitt wrote: > Andrew, this is very similar to the way we do it, however we also sell a > dial up service that will not disconnect the user but the pricing reflects > 1/24 the cost of a T1 so about 35.00$ a month. Since our network is powered > by three DS3's @ $3500.00/month we still make a good profit. $35/mo for unlimited dialup? It'd never fly here.. We used ot be $24.95/mo waay back when but we led the way with $9.95/mo (before netzero) and now we have 295.ca to deal with ($2.95/mo) -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
Andrew, this is very similar to the way we do it, however we also sell a dial up service that will not disconnect the user but the pricing reflects 1/24 the cost of a T1 so about 35.00$ a month. Since our network is powered by three DS3's @ $3500.00/month we still make a good profit. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Kohlsmith Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 2:50 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P On Sunday 05 June 2005 11:14, John Millican wrote: > This thread is a bit OT but I can't help respond. I live in an area where > my only choice is dial up, Directway, or T-1. The first is $10 to $20 a > month , Dway $40 and crappy service, T-1 $500+ too much for my budget. I > am on the computer checking e-mail get service packs for Windoze a major > portion of the day and yet my provider sees fit to disconnect me after 12 > hours weather i have been trying to get that stupid 200 meg SP2 for MS crap > or not. It would be my opinion that after a time of INACTIVITY sure > disconnect, but if there is actual traffic DO NOT DISCONNECT. With what we do you wouldn't be disconnected unless you're doing this continually and make it into our top 1% of time users; With 15k users, the top 1% are invariably the ones who leave their connection on, month after month, 24/7. So, as you can see, we punish the abusive users of what is intended to be an interactive session. Your 24h download wouldn't even show up on our radar. But -- to counterpoint -- Why doesn't MS SP updates allow continued downloads? HTTP has a provision for this. FTP has a provision for this. Rsync has a provision for this. The answer? They want you to pony up for the update CD. :-) -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
On Sunday 05 June 2005 11:14, John Millican wrote: > This thread is a bit OT but I can't help respond. I live in an area where > my only choice is dial up, Directway, or T-1. The first is $10 to $20 a > month , Dway $40 and crappy service, T-1 $500+ too much for my budget. I > am on the computer checking e-mail get service packs for Windoze a major > portion of the day and yet my provider sees fit to disconnect me after 12 > hours weather i have been trying to get that stupid 200 meg SP2 for MS crap > or not. It would be my opinion that after a time of INACTIVITY sure > disconnect, but if there is actual traffic DO NOT DISCONNECT. With what we do you wouldn't be disconnected unless you're doing this continually and make it into our top 1% of time users; With 15k users, the top 1% are invariably the ones who leave their connection on, month after month, 24/7. So, as you can see, we punish the abusive users of what is intended to be an interactive session. Your 24h download wouldn't even show up on our radar. But -- to counterpoint -- Why doesn't MS SP updates allow continued downloads? HTTP has a provision for this. FTP has a provision for this. Rsync has a provision for this. The answer? They want you to pony up for the update CD. :-) -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 11:14 -0400, John Millican wrote: > have been trying to get that stupid 200 meg SP2 for MS crap or not. It would > be my opinion that after a time of INACTIVITY sure disconnect, but if there > is actual traffic DO NOT DISCONNECT. it would be trivial for someone to write a program to ensure they are never inactive based on data, and in fact with the proliferation of file swapping there is surely activity on some of those otherwise idle nodes. Just lurking on irc causes traffic. As such they cant tell. The same way voip providers cant tell if the sip client didnt hang up properly and many disconnect after 4 hours (even some cell carriers do this). I however have a problem with thge use of the word 'unlimited' when it is clear ther are limits however buried in user agreements they may be (or undisclosed as in the case of some mobile and voip providers). Tmobile for example does not state they disconnect at 3 hours 59 minutes and 59 seconds. Broadvoice doesnt declare they terminate at exactly 4 hours (or less or more depends if their equipment is actually working but it generally works out to 4 hours on the nose). -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
> >>That was a policy we did not adopt, something about using the word > >>'unlimited' and then not wanting to fill it with a ton of qualifiers > >>like 'its unlimited unless you actually use then then we will limit you, > >>but if you never use it then ...' :) > > > >We termed it "unlimited interactive" meaning you were more or less at the > >computer. > > Lots of people on IRC seem to be there 24 hours a day. Lots of people > seem to sleep with their computers too. :-) This thread is a bit OT but I can't help respond. I live in an area where my only choice is dial up, Directway, or T-1. The first is $10 to $20 a month , Dway $40 and crappy service, T-1 $500+ too much for my budget. I am on the computer checking e-mail get service packs for Windoze a major portion of the day and yet my provider sees fit to disconnect me after 12 hours weather i have been trying to get that stupid 200 meg SP2 for MS crap or not. It would be my opinion that after a time of INACTIVITY sure disconnect, but if there is actual traffic DO NOT DISCONNECT. John M "Unlimited service user" ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
On Sunday 05 June 2005 10:47, Steve Underwood wrote: > Lots of people on IRC seem to be there 24 hours a day. Lots of people > seem to sleep with their computers too. :-) :-) They are the exceptions that prove the rule. Unfortunately, they'd get booted off too. :-) -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: On Sunday 05 June 2005 09:27, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: That was a policy we did not adopt, something about using the word 'unlimited' and then not wanting to fill it with a ton of qualifiers like 'its unlimited unless you actually use then then we will limit you, but if you never use it then ...' :) We termed it "unlimited interactive" meaning you were more or less at the computer. Lots of people on IRC seem to be there 24 hours a day. Lots of people seem to sleep with their computers too. :-) Regards, Steve ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
On Sunday 05 June 2005 09:27, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: > That was a policy we did not adopt, something about using the word > 'unlimited' and then not wanting to fill it with a ton of qualifiers > like 'its unlimited unless you actually use then then we will limit you, > but if you never use it then ...' :) We termed it "unlimited interactive" meaning you were more or less at the computer. > That single fact can help your ratio considerably. Agreed. :-) In the cut-rate dialup market we found it necessary to adopt such a policy, especially since you're appealing to the cheapskate crowd. :-) > close to optimum by eliminating a class of users, I think one that > should properly be factored in rather than booted off. Its a business > decision, and depending on finances one that may be required. Totally. We've found that in our calling areas all the ISPs were doing more or less the same thing (or weren't, but then started to shortly afterward) so it worked out in the end. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 09:09 -0400, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: > Now mind you we do some "advanced" logins too... the top 1% of our userbase > in terms of minutes used are actively booted off and disallowed login during > busy times (these are the campers, they're on 24/7). This really does help, > and if they get pissed off enough to leave it really doesn't affect us > negatively. In fact it helps. > That was a policy we did not adopt, something about using the word 'unlimited' and then not wanting to fill it with a ton of qualifiers like 'its unlimited unless you actually use then then we will limit you, but if you never use it then ...' :) That single fact can help your ratio considerably. > Typically in terms of complaints we tend to hear from the old grannies and > casual users who can't get on during busy times, and our active kickoff of > the campers has almost eliminated that, which indicates to me that we're > close to "optimum". > close to optimum by eliminating a class of users, I think one that should properly be factored in rather than booted off. Its a business decision, and depending on finances one that may be required. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
On Sunday 05 June 2005 08:39, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: > I dont know about other countries, but in 1997 I worked at an ISP. The > iunternet was popular enough then and dialup was $20/mo. At that point > in time 7:1 was good to reduce busy signals for all but 1 hour a day > (split morning and afternoon). 10:1 resulted in many hours of busy > signals. Now I would imagine that the demand for dialup, at least in Yes, but now also take into account that as you increase the number of channels, you can also drive the ratio up. 7:1 was about right (I think we preferred 6.5:1, but it was many years ago) when we had 96 channels. However now we have roughly 3300 channels and the sweet spot seems to be around 10:1. Now mind you we do some "advanced" logins too... the top 1% of our userbase in terms of minutes used are actively booted off and disallowed login during busy times (these are the campers, they're on 24/7). This really does help, and if they get pissed off enough to leave it really doesn't affect us negatively. In fact it helps. Typically in terms of complaints we tend to hear from the old grannies and casual users who can't get on during busy times, and our active kickoff of the campers has almost eliminated that, which indicates to me that we're close to "optimum". Regards, Andrew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 08:22 -0400, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: > I think you'll find that for most dialup applications, 10:1 is about right > when you've got a large number of channels, even according to the erlang > calculations. I dont know about other countries, but in 1997 I worked at an ISP. The iunternet was popular enough then and dialup was $20/mo. At that point in time 7:1 was good to reduce busy signals for all but 1 hour a day (split morning and afternoon). 10:1 resulted in many hours of busy signals. Now I would imagine that the demand for dialup, at least in reasonably urban environments such as where I worked, has stayed about constant, as there are more people on now, but most urbanites have dsl, cable, etc rather than relying on modems (at that point in time where I was it was dialup or frame relay/t1). Given that dialup is $10/mo now I cant imagine that it has gone down in demand so much that a 10:1 is 'good'. From a business perspective it might be (churn rate is 'acceptable', tech support isnt hearing complaints all day long about busy signals, the cost to add extra ports is greater than the cost of dealing with users leaving and/or complaining) but I cant imagine that its all that good of service. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
On Sunday 05 June 2005 07:22, Jean-Michel Hiver wrote: > 4 customers for 1 channel? I don't think so. > > The numbers of channels you need has nothing to do with how many > customers you have but with how many minutes you are processing and what > statistical pattern these minutes follow. > > Google for "erlang b calculator" for some interesting info about this. I think you'll find that for most dialup applications, 10:1 is about right when you've got a large number of channels, even according to the erlang calculations. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
Matt Klein wrote: 4 to 1 ratio... is the industry standard for voice. 10 to 1 is dialup. Some raise it. 4 customers for 1 channel? I don't think so. The numbers of channels you need has nothing to do with how many customers you have but with how many minutes you are processing and what statistical pattern these minutes follow. Google for "erlang b calculator" for some interesting info about this. Cheers, Jean-Michel. -- Ykoz Un Max - La VoIP en pré-payé! Essayez gratuitement - 5 crédits offerts. ---> http://ykoz.net/voip/max <--- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
Sorry this ball got rolling I would aslo like to point out that the card is _going_ to work with asterisk directly. What more can I say? Answer on the OC3: when going optical some carriers use a OC3 as the smallest service. I hope that the DS3 card does well and that it works out great regardless of price and features. I am happy with Digiums products to date and wish them the best. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
$4k is beautiful get them to cpci it, though, and you're looking at double. -m On Sat, 4 Jun 2005, Forrest W. Christian wrote: On Sat, 4 Jun 2005, Tom Fanning wrote: What's so special about Digium cards that makes them this expensive? $4000 for a PCB is extortion IMO! $4K for a channelized DS3 card isn't all that bad. We've been paying ~2K for a free-framed DS3 card. Component-wise yov'e got upwards of $1K if not $2K on-board. Factor in R&D time and some reasonable profit, $3K or even $4K isn't that bad. Now if you want to discuss whether or not the prices for the IC's and other components are extortion or not, then I might be willing to agree with you. -forrest ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
kk ;) On Sat, 4 Jun 2005, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: On Saturday 04 June 2005 18:15, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: Ok smartass now what do you use to terminate those 28 T1s? Let's see... $1500 per quad T1 card, 7 cards required... 4 systems required (2 cards per system)... oh HELL YEAH, you just saved a pile of money. Who do I call to invest in your company? And of course here's where I stick not only one, but both feet in my mouth; I read too quickly and replied even more quickly. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
Andrew, I have never attacked, you or your statements, smartass. I can give you details on my HW, if I want, but if you're in the know-how, you apparently didn't even bother reading all of my e-mails, you didn't even bother reading that I'm in complete agreement with you on the DS-3000 pricing. Besides, Carrier Access Channel banks, 24 ports, $150 ebay per 24, Mainstreet/3624 blah blah channel banks, less than a hundred, ebay. It's cheaper to go DS-3. *ALWAYS*. Read my emails to the list you jackass. Want to invest in something fun? Call me, 541-312-4251. I just may answer my phone, this time. Otherwise, leave a message. -m On Sat, 4 Jun 2005, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: On Saturday 04 June 2005 17:31, Matt Klein wrote: Mike, ebay for Carrier Access, CAC, Widebank -- this turn DS-3s into T-1s. $500-$600 -- current market rate. Ok smartass now what do you use to terminate those 28 T1s? Let's see... $1500 per quad T1 card, 7 cards required... 4 systems required (2 cards per system)... oh HELL YEAH, you just saved a pile of money. Who do I call to invest in your company? -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
On Sat, 4 Jun 2005, Tom Fanning wrote: > What's so special about Digium cards that makes them this expensive? $4000 > for a PCB is extortion IMO! $4K for a channelized DS3 card isn't all that bad. We've been paying ~2K for a free-framed DS3 card. Component-wise yov'e got upwards of $1K if not $2K on-board. Factor in R&D time and some reasonable profit, $3K or even $4K isn't that bad. Now if you want to discuss whether or not the prices for the IC's and other components are extortion or not, then I might be willing to agree with you. -forrest ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
On Saturday 04 June 2005 18:15, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: > Ok smartass now what do you use to terminate those 28 T1s? > > Let's see... $1500 per quad T1 card, 7 cards required... 4 systems > required (2 cards per system)... > > oh HELL YEAH, you just saved a pile of money. Who do I call to invest in > your company? And of course here's where I stick not only one, but both feet in my mouth; I read too quickly and replied even more quickly. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
On Saturday 04 June 2005 17:31, Matt Klein wrote: > Mike, ebay for Carrier Access, CAC, Widebank -- this turn DS-3s into T-1s. > $500-$600 -- current market rate. Ok smartass now what do you use to terminate those 28 T1s? Let's see... $1500 per quad T1 card, 7 cards required... 4 systems required (2 cards per system)... oh HELL YEAH, you just saved a pile of money. Who do I call to invest in your company? -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
On Saturday 04 June 2005 04:50, Tom Fanning wrote: > What's so special about Digium cards that makes them this expensive? $4000 > for a PCB is extortion IMO! Fine. Go build your own, get the various agency approvals, ramp up manufacturing and support and sell it at half the price and make a killing. Nobody's stopping you. $4000 for a DS3 termination is a STEAL. Typically it's the ones who have zero clue who bitch the loudest. You've only proven this point. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
OK, at first, I thought you were kidding me. Now I know, you are kidding me. PC hardware, at $12k? Give me a break. Besides, I already have estimated cost quotes from digium. Joker. -m On Sat, 4 Jun 2005, Andrew Latham wrote: Thanks Mike. existing DS3 card -> http://imagestream.com/PCI_921-CDS.html For the list I will repeat that the cost should be ball park of $12K. Why you ask. If you can afford a DS3 then you can afford an extra $12K. I do not know anything extra other than the fact that this card will allow some users to drop their Cisco equipment totally. The opening editors note of the latest Linux Journal talks about the trouble caused by developers trying to interoperate with proprietary software. Its a game of catch up and not a winning one. We need to create or direct the future of the market to be as open as it can. Knowing that you have an option for that DS3 is a great feeling. Some real discussion would be about optional OC3 or a optical DS3. My local CO tech friend sees more optical than copper due to support costs. Powering and repeating a fiber line is cheaper than that of copper. Final question, is anyone from Image Stream on this list? http://imagestream.com Andrew Latham ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
Mike, ebay for Carrier Access, CAC, Widebank -- this turn DS-3s into T-1s. $500-$600 -- current market rate. -m On Sat, 4 Jun 2005, Michael D Schelin wrote: Are you kidding! $4000.00 is cheap for a ds3 board! Even if you don't use all of the 28 t1's it's better because you will now be able to put in as many T1's as you will most likely need. Expansion will be just simple configuration change. Also as I've read in these forums, the interrupt issue should go away as this should only need 1. Don't let the term DS3 scare you. I have herd there are DS3 to T1 adapters out on the market for as little as $500. If you need more than 1 4 port T1 card you should buy the DS3 card unless of course you only need 5 T1 ports. Jay Milk wrote: What's so special about two tons of steel and a little plastic and leather that you'd pay at least $20K for it? How come Adobe gets away with charging $300 for a simple CD, when you can buy a stack of 100 for less than $20? Content matters... And someone needs to pay for the development cost, testing, certification, etc... Or there wouldn't be any peripherals. -Original Message- From: Tom Fanning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 3:50 AM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P Agreed, those are the figures we were able to get from Digium... I'm still waiting for a confirmation, but I'm being safe with a $4k estimate.. What's so special about Digium cards that makes them this expensive? $4000 for a PCB is extortion IMO! Tom ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
On Sat, 4 Jun 2005, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 05:48 -0700, Matt Klein wrote: 4 to 1 ratio... is the industry standard for voice. 10 to 1 is dialup. Some raise it. As I said my numbers were dated, and I didnt know what they were now. 10:1 is horrible for dialup, busy signals abound at higher than 7:1, or at least they used to. I havent worked for an isp that did dialup for 8 years, for the most part dialup has no money in it now. $10/mo accounts are also the reason the contention rate for a modem is up. You've got to be kidding me, dialup is huge. *Still!* Especially, when you have recip comp with the ILEC! Rural areas w/o Wireless, Cable, DSL.. what do they use? Dialup, *still*. Agreed, 10 to 1 is harsh in *some areas*. Rural, 10 to 1 is too high. You gotta know your busies to determine this figure, 7 to 1 is entirely fair in a non-rural area. I'm, personally, waiting a year or so to hear about the complaints from the lists before I bother. Could you elaborate on what exactly you are waiting for? Perhaps its my lack of sleep that is making it a bit harder for me to comprehend that sentence. What will be on what lists and from whom? Pricing, Bug Reports (i.e. all of the problems associated with previous digium products, google for them), and it'd be from you, who would shell out bug reports, spending $4k to tell me not to buy -- yet. :) -m ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 13:14 -0500, Andrew Latham wrote: > Some real discussion would be about optional OC3 or a optical DS3. My > local CO tech friend sees more optical than copper due to support > costs. Powering and repeating a fiber line is cheaper than that of > copper. Isnt an OC3 about 3x a DS3 in capacity (155Mbps)? A DS3 is only 45Mbps (28*1.544Mbps + a couple bits for the extra framing). Both speeds include signaling space. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Thanks Mike. existing DS3 card -> http://imagestream.com/PCI_921-CDS.html For the list I will repeat that the cost should be ball park of $12K. Why you ask. If you can afford a DS3 then you can afford an extra $12K. I do not know anything extra other than the fact that this card will allow some users to drop their Cisco equipment totally. The opening editors note of the latest Linux Journal talks about the trouble caused by developers trying to interoperate with proprietary software. Its a game of catch up and not a winning one. We need to create or direct the future of the market to be as open as it can. Knowing that you have an option for that DS3 is a great feeling. Some real discussion would be about optional OC3 or a optical DS3. My local CO tech friend sees more optical than copper due to support costs. Powering and repeating a fiber line is cheaper than that of copper. Final question, is anyone from Image Stream on this list? http://imagestream.com Andrew Latham ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Are you kidding! $4000.00 is cheap for a ds3 board! Even if you don't use all of the 28 t1's it's better because you will now be able to put in as many T1's as you will most likely need. Expansion will be just simple configuration change. Also as I've read in these forums, the interrupt issue should go away as this should only need 1. Don't let the term DS3 scare you. I have herd there are DS3 to T1 adapters out on the market for as little as $500. If you need more than 1 4 port T1 card you should buy the DS3 card unless of course you only need 5 T1 ports. Jay Milk wrote: What's so special about two tons of steel and a little plastic and leather that you'd pay at least $20K for it? How come Adobe gets away with charging $300 for a simple CD, when you can buy a stack of 100 for less than $20? Content matters... And someone needs to pay for the development cost, testing, certification, etc... Or there wouldn't be any peripherals. -Original Message- From: Tom Fanning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 3:50 AM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P Agreed, those are the figures we were able to get from Digium... I'm still waiting for a confirmation, but I'm being safe with a $4k estimate.. What's so special about Digium cards that makes them this expensive? $4000 for a PCB is extortion IMO! Tom ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 05:48 -0700, Matt Klein wrote: > 4 to 1 ratio... is the industry standard for voice. 10 to 1 is dialup. > Some raise it. > As I said my numbers were dated, and I didnt know what they were now. 10:1 is horrible for dialup, busy signals abound at higher than 7:1, or at least they used to. I havent worked for an isp that did dialup for 8 years, for the most part dialup has no money in it now. $10/mo accounts are also the reason the contention rate for a modem is up. > I'm, personally, waiting a year or so to hear about the complaints from > the lists before I bother. Could you elaborate on what exactly you are waiting for? Perhaps its my lack of sleep that is making it a bit harder for me to comprehend that sentence. What will be on what lists and from whom? I think you mean users complaining about the ratios on 'lists' (translation anywhere that someone will allow them to post their rantings regardless if anyone actually reads it). -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
What's so special about two tons of steel and a little plastic and leather that you'd pay at least $20K for it? How come Adobe gets away with charging $300 for a simple CD, when you can buy a stack of 100 for less than $20? Content matters... And someone needs to pay for the development cost, testing, certification, etc... Or there wouldn't be any peripherals. > -Original Message- > From: Tom Fanning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 3:50 AM > To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' > Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P > > > >Agreed, those are the figures we were able to get > >from Digium... I'm still waiting for a confirmation, > >but I'm being safe with a $4k estimate.. > > > What's so special about Digium cards that makes them this > expensive? $4000 > for a PCB is extortion IMO! > > Tom > > ___ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
4 to 1 ratio... is the industry standard for voice. 10 to 1 is dialup. Some raise it. I'm, personally, waiting a year or so to hear about the complaints from the lists before I bother. -m On Sat, 4 Jun 2005, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 09:50 +0100, Tom Fanning wrote: Agreed, those are the figures we were able to get from Digium... I'm still waiting for a confirmation, but I'm being safe with a $4k estimate.. What's so special about Digium cards that makes them this expensive? $4000 for a PCB is extortion IMO! A ds3 does 672 channels, normally on 2 strands of coax (and there are bnc connectors on the pic on digiums site). The port cost is then about $6/port. That is really cheap in all honesty. 672 ports can in theory support about 10,000 customers (given the rather dated 7% of people use the phone at any given time - that figure I think was accurate in the early/mid 90s and I am sure its higher now but I havent checked any reliable sources for an update. I did read a more recent study that suggested that the average person usese the phone 6 minutes a day, I use it for hours a day my parents maybe 16 mintes 3 times a week, so who knows). Even if its 5000 customers (ie calling is 2x higher, people stay on 2x longer, etc) that is still much more cost effective than the 28 individual DS1s that it would take to fill a DS3. There is a EU standard that afaik is framed basically the same but instead of 4 DS2s which are 7 DS1s (logical framing a DS2 always exists on a DS3 physically afaik) its built upon E1s, so there are slightly fewer E1s since they are 30 DS0s instead of 24. Not to mention that a DS3 circuit normally costs about what 12 DS1s cost so its like getting 16 free. This makes everything cheaper in the long run, thus companies are able to offer better rates for PSTN interconnection which can be passed to the consumer. I am curious on cpu load, if all dsp functions are done via software instead of offloaded onto a specialized processor (DSP board) that has to have some effect on call processing, meaning a more beefy machine to handle the load, and the real possiblity of not having a single board do everything (application, media gateway, VoIP, etc). While it makes sense on that type of a system (high capacity) to spread it out for load balancing and redundancy and all that stuff that gives you a warm fuzzy feeling, it may now be more of a requirement. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Cisco's somewhat reliable firmware, of course. ;) On Sat, 4 Jun 2005, Pavel Jezek wrote: what's so special about eg. ci$co cards... WS-X6608-E1= Catalyst 6000 8 port Voice E1 and Services Module USD 19,995.00 ;-) PJ Tom Fanning wrote: What's so special about Digium cards that makes them this expensive? $4000 for a PCB is extortion IMO! Tom ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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FYI: TNTs are $6-7k, fully loaded DS-3s including all DSP's on ebay. On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, izo wrote: On 6/2/05, Andrew Latham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't know, but pricing it per line whould be safe. Say $100 per line that would be $67,200.00. So anything less than that would be great. I think it will be about $20 bucks a port. 672 * 20 = 13,400 come on it must be cheaper ! for that price you can get Lucent MAX TNT Lets look at digiums cards 4xE1 = 1500 USD so 1500/120 = 12.5 per port if you consider the scale effect imho it'll be like 10 $ per port so end price somewhere about 6-7k USD regards m. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Keep in mind that softswitch hardware + licensing costs ~$25k-35k/DS3, at least on a decent platform. Yearly support is on average, $10k/year. Meta has good rates. $4k is cheap, especially for this market. Now will they ever bother to produce compactpci boards? Probably not any time soon. This question has been raised several times in developer conferences on 996. If they could produce compactpci boards+software to run on cpci cpu's, redundancy capabilities etc, this is a cheaper replacement for softswitches. but no CLEC (no ILEC would ever buy cheap) would replace stable hardware+software with unknown reliability factors tied in. You can't just 'reboot' a switch's software (technically, you can... but I wouldn't want to be the one to do it). -m On Sat, 4 Jun 2005, Peter Svensson wrote: On Sat, 4 Jun 2005, Tom Fanning wrote: What's so special about Digium cards that makes them this expensive? $4000 for a PCB is extortion IMO! I'd say low volume and high development and certification costs. A contributing factor is what the market is willing to pay. Peter ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
> GigE ports and switches are cheap, Converting DS0's (PCM) into g. > 711 is a trivial task, mostly just moving bits. little of no 'DSP' > work needed. The cheapest processor today can keep up with 45mbps > full duplex. So, you eat up the DS3 into a machine and spit out 672 > g.711 streams to a GigE switch. Sacrifice bandwidth but that is > cheap on the LAN. Then you can have the calls go to other Asterisk > boxes which will transcode to other codecs as needed. > > Ideally I would love to see this in a cPCI form factor > > -Matt > Yeah but the extra boxes and higher capacity LAN cost something, so it drives the total cost up vs 1 box, but as I stated (or thought I did anyway) if you are doing DS3 stuff you would want redundancy and other features of distributed networking. I personally would like to see it in a PCCARD form factor like the dual DS1 card from odin technologies but somehow I think my ipaq would melt trying to keep up if it were doing more than pushing bits :) http://www.odints.com/pages/solution/ppc/ppcfs.htm Would make a handy test tool to have a DS3 into a pda! -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
I am curious on cpu load, if all dsp functions are done via software instead of offloaded onto a specialized processor (DSP board) that has to have some effect on call processing, meaning a more beefy machine to handle the load, and the real possiblity of not having a single board do everything (application, media gateway, VoIP, etc). While it makes sense on that type of a system (high capacity) to spread it out for load balancing and redundancy and all that stuff that gives you a warm fuzzy feeling, it may now be more of a requirement. GigE ports and switches are cheap, Converting DS0's (PCM) into g. 711 is a trivial task, mostly just moving bits. little of no 'DSP' work needed. The cheapest processor today can keep up with 45mbps full duplex. So, you eat up the DS3 into a machine and spit out 672 g.711 streams to a GigE switch. Sacrifice bandwidth but that is cheap on the LAN. Then you can have the calls go to other Asterisk boxes which will transcode to other codecs as needed. Ideally I would love to see this in a cPCI form factor -Matt -- Matthew S. Crocker Vice President Crocker Communications, Inc. Internet Division PO BOX 710 Greenfield, MA 01302-0710 http://www.crocker.com ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
Tom Fanning wrote: Agreed, those are the figures we were able to get from Digium... I'm still waiting for a confirmation, but I'm being safe with a $4k estimate.. What's so special about Digium cards that makes them this expensive? $4000 for a PCB is extortion IMO! I'm sure we'd all love to hear your cost analysis. Regards, Steve ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 09:50 +0100, Tom Fanning wrote: > >Agreed, those are the figures we were able to get > >from Digium... I'm still waiting for a confirmation, > >but I'm being safe with a $4k estimate.. > > > What's so special about Digium cards that makes them this expensive? $4000 > for a PCB is extortion IMO! A ds3 does 672 channels, normally on 2 strands of coax (and there are bnc connectors on the pic on digiums site). The port cost is then about $6/port. That is really cheap in all honesty. 672 ports can in theory support about 10,000 customers (given the rather dated 7% of people use the phone at any given time - that figure I think was accurate in the early/mid 90s and I am sure its higher now but I havent checked any reliable sources for an update. I did read a more recent study that suggested that the average person usese the phone 6 minutes a day, I use it for hours a day my parents maybe 16 mintes 3 times a week, so who knows). Even if its 5000 customers (ie calling is 2x higher, people stay on 2x longer, etc) that is still much more cost effective than the 28 individual DS1s that it would take to fill a DS3. There is a EU standard that afaik is framed basically the same but instead of 4 DS2s which are 7 DS1s (logical framing a DS2 always exists on a DS3 physically afaik) its built upon E1s, so there are slightly fewer E1s since they are 30 DS0s instead of 24. Not to mention that a DS3 circuit normally costs about what 12 DS1s cost so its like getting 16 free. This makes everything cheaper in the long run, thus companies are able to offer better rates for PSTN interconnection which can be passed to the consumer. I am curious on cpu load, if all dsp functions are done via software instead of offloaded onto a specialized processor (DSP board) that has to have some effect on call processing, meaning a more beefy machine to handle the load, and the real possiblity of not having a single board do everything (application, media gateway, VoIP, etc). While it makes sense on that type of a system (high capacity) to spread it out for load balancing and redundancy and all that stuff that gives you a warm fuzzy feeling, it may now be more of a requirement. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Sat, 4 Jun 2005, Tom Fanning wrote: > What's so special about Digium cards that makes them this expensive? $4000 > for a PCB is extortion IMO! I'd say low volume and high development and certification costs. A contributing factor is what the market is willing to pay. Peter ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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what's so special about eg. ci$co cards... WS-X6608-E1= Catalyst 6000 8 port Voice E1 and Services Module USD 19,995.00 ;-) PJ Tom Fanning wrote: What's so special about Digium cards that makes them this expensive? $4000 for a PCB is extortion IMO! Tom ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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>Agreed, those are the figures we were able to get >from Digium... I'm still waiting for a confirmation, >but I'm being safe with a $4k estimate.. What's so special about Digium cards that makes them this expensive? $4000 for a PCB is extortion IMO! Tom ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
Agreed, those are the figures we were able to get from Digium... I'm still waiting for a confirmation, but I'm being safe with a $4k estimate.. timeframe wasn't given to me, but I was told this year (later this year). All of it, of course, unofficial. Hardware specs have already been discussed on this list for this board (a month and a half ago?), and from what I remember, they should be no more than the current hardware specs for a 4 port or two. Some of the software stuff has been moved to the board. I think all DSP is still done in software, as is echo can, but I think chanellization has been moved to the board -- someone correct me please. But to me, the real question is, when's a good DSP board coming out w/ * support??! -m On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Jason Walker wrote: I called Digium about a week ago asking about ETA and initial pricing. The support person I spoke to said that they are shooting for a September release (Fall '05) and a price around $3,500 US. Take it for what it's worth - but I hope this is the price. Either way - I hope hardware specs come out soon on requirements. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Collins Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:30 PM To: izo; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion; Andrew Latham Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P Yep anything over $7k makes it more feasible/reliable to go for multiple server multi-card solution. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of izo Sent: Thursday, 2 June 2005 8:21 PM To: Andrew Latham; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P On 6/2/05, Andrew Latham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't know, but pricing it per line whould be safe. Say $100 per line that would be $67,200.00. So anything less than that would be great. I think it will be about $20 bucks a port. 672 * 20 = 13,400 come on it must be cheaper ! for that price you can get Lucent MAX TNT Lets look at digiums cards 4xE1 = 1500 USD so 1500/120 = 12.5 per port if you consider the scale effect imho it'll be like 10 $ per port so end price somewhere about 6-7k USD regards m. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.1 - Release Date: 6/2/2005 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
Unofficial: "Digium guesses that their DS3 card will be $3k - $4k." -- tack on a k or two to be safe. Later this year is my guess... from what I heard. -m On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Nathan wrote: Does anyone have an estimate for the pricing on the DS3000P DS3 PCI card by Digium? How about a timeframe? Thanks, Nathan ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
I called Digium about a week ago asking about ETA and initial pricing. The support person I spoke to said that they are shooting for a September release (Fall '05) and a price around $3,500 US. Take it for what it's worth - but I hope this is the price. Either way - I hope hardware specs come out soon on requirements. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Collins Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:30 PM To: izo; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion; Andrew Latham Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P Yep anything over $7k makes it more feasible/reliable to go for multiple server multi-card solution. Cheers, Dean > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of izo > Sent: Thursday, 2 June 2005 8:21 PM > To: Andrew Latham; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P > > On 6/2/05, Andrew Latham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't know, but pricing it per line whould be safe. Say $100 per > > line that would be $67,200.00. So anything less than that would be > > great. I think it will be about $20 bucks a port. > > > > 672 * 20 = 13,400 > > come on it must be cheaper ! for that price you can get Lucent MAX TNT > > Lets look at digiums cards 4xE1 = 1500 USD so 1500/120 = 12.5 per > port > > if you consider the scale effect imho it'll be like 10 $ per port so > end price somewhere about 6-7k USD > > > regards > m. > ___ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.1 - Release Date: 6/2/2005 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
Yep anything over $7k makes it more feasible/reliable to go for multiple server multi-card solution. Cheers, Dean > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of izo > Sent: Thursday, 2 June 2005 8:21 PM > To: Andrew Latham; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P > > On 6/2/05, Andrew Latham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't know, but pricing it per line whould be safe. Say $100 per > > line that would be $67,200.00. So anything less than that would be > > great. I think it will be about $20 bucks a port. > > > > 672 * 20 = 13,400 > > come on it must be cheaper ! for that price you can get Lucent MAX TNT > > Lets look at digiums cards 4xE1 = 1500 USD > so 1500/120 = 12.5 per port > > if you consider the scale effect imho it'll be like 10 $ per port > so end price somewhere about 6-7k USD > > > regards > m. > ___ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
On 6/2/05, Andrew Latham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know, but pricing it per line whould be safe. Say $100 per > line that would be $67,200.00. So anything less than that would be > great. I think it will be about $20 bucks a port. > > 672 * 20 = 13,400 come on it must be cheaper ! for that price you can get Lucent MAX TNT Lets look at digiums cards 4xE1 = 1500 USD so 1500/120 = 12.5 per port if you consider the scale effect imho it'll be like 10 $ per port so end price somewhere about 6-7k USD regards m. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Pricing for DS3000P
I don't know, but pricing it per line whould be safe. Say $100 per line that would be $67,200.00. So anything less than that would be great. I think it will be about $20 bucks a port. 672 * 20 = 13,400 On 6/2/05, Nathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone have an estimate for the pricing on the DS3000P DS3 PCI card by > Digium? How about a timeframe? > > Thanks, > > Nathan > > ___ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > -- Andrew Latham - AKA: LATHAMA (lay-th-ham-eh) WWW: http://lathama.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] If any of the above are down we have bigger problems than my email! ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
