Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Slightly OT:CSU on Digium cards, and it's requirement
On 6/13/07, Erik Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/13/07, C F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is just weird I wrote it in caps so you can read it but you still didn't read it so here it is again: its a T1 card that does NOT have a CSU in it, and it is working fine and yes it is a T1 providing PRI. sarcasm Dang shmaltz. You've convinced us - we've all been wasting our precious money on CSUs this whole time. We're all idiots! /sarcasm Seriously - if you're so sure about your card not having a CSU, what is the make/model? Pony up, man. It's a Panasonic KX-TA0187 for T1, or KX-TA02290 The docs and technicians say it doesn have one AND that the FCC requires it. Hence my qeustion does the FCC require it. -Erik ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Slightly OT:CSU on Digium cards, and it's requirement
On 6/13/07, Jon Pounder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting C F [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This is just weird I wrote it in caps so you can read it but you still didn't read it so here it is again: its a T1 card that does NOT have a CSU in it, and it is working fine and yes it is a T1 providing PRI. If you are convinced that's what you have, and it works then great. As far as the fcc requirement, who do you think is going to be on the short end of the stick when you have a line issue and the telco wants to do a loopback test and you have no csu to loop ? I highly doubt they are going to fine you or anything like that, but you'll certainly get a bill if they have to come on site because you don't have something there that allows them to test remotely - fcc requirement or not, its only fair don't you think ? I agree with you, but I am just checking to make sure if it is or not an FCC requirement. On 6/11/07, Alex Balashov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, C F wrote: I disagree with this, I have several T1s that don't use Digium equipment and are directly connecting to T1 cards that DONT have a CSU and work fine. The reason this thing came up was because I was going thru documentation for such a card and it mentioned it's an FCC requirement. That's not possible, unless the handoff you're getting is not actually T1. However, the card almost certainly has a very seamless, inline/onboard CSU of which you aren't even aware of. -- Alex Balashov Evariste Systems Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Direct : +1-678-954-0671 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Jon Pounder _/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ Inline Internet Systems Inc. Thorold, Ontario, Canada Tools to Power Your e-Business Solutions www.inline.net www.ihtml.com www.ihtmlmerchant.com www.opayc.com This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Slightly OT:CSU on Digium cards, and it's requirement
On 6/13/07, Jon Pounder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Erik Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 6/13/07, C F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is just weird I wrote it in caps so you can read it but you still didn't read it so here it is again: its a T1 card that does NOT have a CSU in it, and it is working fine and yes it is a T1 providing PRI. sarcasm Dang shmaltz. You've convinced us - we've all been wasting our precious money on CSUs this whole time. We're all idiots! /sarcasm Seriously - if you're so sure about your card not having a CSU, what is the make/model? Pony up, man. I'll bet that alarm light on it is for something else right ? Yes it's there for when it's not synched, but no diags. -Erik ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Jon Pounder _/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ Inline Internet Systems Inc. Thorold, Ontario, Canada Tools to Power Your e-Business Solutions www.inline.net www.ihtml.com www.ihtmlmerchant.com www.opayc.com This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Slightly OT:CSU on Digium cards, and it's requirement
Quoting C F [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 6/13/07, Jon Pounder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting C F [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This is just weird I wrote it in caps so you can read it but you still didn't read it so here it is again: its a T1 card that does NOT have a CSU in it, and it is working fine and yes it is a T1 providing PRI. If you are convinced that's what you have, and it works then great. As far as the fcc requirement, who do you think is going to be on the short end of the stick when you have a line issue and the telco wants to do a loopback test and you have no csu to loop ? I highly doubt they are going to fine you or anything like that, but you'll certainly get a bill if they have to come on site because you don't have something there that allows them to test remotely - fcc requirement or not, its only fair don't you think ? I agree with you, but I am just checking to make sure if it is or not an FCC requirement. if nothing else its definately an implied requirement since for sure there is a requirement that the terminal equipment must be compatible with the CO equipment, and without a CSU its not going to work at all. (whether the vendor calls it a csu or not, there is still something doing that job) So if it works there is a csu of some sort in there regardless of what the marketing material says. On 6/11/07, Alex Balashov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, C F wrote: I disagree with this, I have several T1s that don't use Digium equipment and are directly connecting to T1 cards that DONT have a CSU and work fine. The reason this thing came up was because I was going thru documentation for such a card and it mentioned it's an FCC requirement. That's not possible, unless the handoff you're getting is not actually T1. However, the card almost certainly has a very seamless, inline/onboard CSU of which you aren't even aware of. -- Alex Balashov Evariste Systems Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Direct : +1-678-954-0671 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Jon Pounder _/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ Inline Internet Systems Inc. Thorold, Ontario, Canada Tools to Power Your e-Business Solutions www.inline.net www.ihtml.com www.ihtmlmerchant.com www.opayc.com This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Jon Pounder _/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ Inline Internet Systems Inc. Thorold, Ontario, Canada Tools to Power Your e-Business Solutions www.inline.net www.ihtml.com www.ihtmlmerchant.com www.opayc.com This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Slightly OT:CSU on Digium cards, and it's requirement
Quoting C F [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 6/13/07, Jon Pounder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Erik Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 6/13/07, C F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is just weird I wrote it in caps so you can read it but you still didn't read it so here it is again: its a T1 card that does NOT have a CSU in it, and it is working fine and yes it is a T1 providing PRI. sarcasm Dang shmaltz. You've convinced us - we've all been wasting our precious money on CSUs this whole time. We're all idiots! /sarcasm Seriously - if you're so sure about your card not having a CSU, what is the make/model? Pony up, man. I'll bet that alarm light on it is for something else right ? Yes it's there for when it's not synched, but no diags. that is a function of the csu, so you have one. -Erik ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Jon Pounder _/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ Inline Internet Systems Inc. Thorold, Ontario, Canada Tools to Power Your e-Business Solutions www.inline.net www.ihtml.com www.ihtmlmerchant.com www.opayc.com This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Jon Pounder _/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ Inline Internet Systems Inc. Thorold, Ontario, Canada Tools to Power Your e-Business Solutions www.inline.net www.ihtml.com www.ihtmlmerchant.com www.opayc.com This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Slightly OT:CSU on Digium cards, and it's requirement
I probably shouldn't be hijacking this thread but it seems that there's some people paying attention here that know what they're talking about. We've recently acquired a cisco IAD 2400 router with 2MFT-T1 VWIC card in it. Doing some cursory reading It seems that this card can be interfaced with a PRI. (I really DON'T know what I'm talking about here so my terminology might be all wrong). My question is this: If we want to get an analog trunk into the building and interface that trunk with the 2MFT card, can we then use asterisk to receive/send calls over this cisco router? How would this be accomplished? Do the cisco routers take calls via SIP or is there some other mechanism to pass calls off through this card. The reason I ask is that my boss is a cheap bastard and wants to avoid spending the $'s on a digium card if possible. Thanks, Steve. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Slightly OT:CSU on Digium cards, and it's requirement
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, C F wrote: On 6/13/07, Erik Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/13/07, C F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is just weird I wrote it in caps so you can read it but you still didn't read it so here it is again: its a T1 card that does NOT have a CSU in it, and it is working fine and yes it is a T1 providing PRI. sarcasm Dang shmaltz. You've convinced us - we've all been wasting our precious money on CSUs this whole time. We're all idiots! /sarcasm Seriously - if you're so sure about your card not having a CSU, what is the make/model? Pony up, man. It's a Panasonic KX-TA0187 for T1, or KX-TA02290 The docs and technicians say it doesn have one AND that the FCC requires it. Hence my qeustion does the FCC require it. I think what he's referring to is really the KX-TD187... which is a T1 interface module for the Panasonic KX-TD1232 Digital Hybrid Phone System (I have one of these systems, but not the T1 module). Now there is a KX-TA1232 analog system, and maybe there was a KX-TA187 module for it that has since been discontinued... but I think he meant the digital one. http://www.ablecomm.com/t1isdideq.html They do SAY it doesn't have a CSU... but it's beyond my understanding of how it could possibly work without one. They seem to sell a separate CSU module that can go with it. Maybe he's just not seeing the extra little box because there's more wire between that and the demarc? Was this a system that was already installed for you? Or did you install it yourself? Maybe the CSU is external and you just didn't recognize/see it there? When I first started working with T1's, most CSU's were external. I still have several of them in storage in fact... and I still use external CSU/DSU's on my production network today. :-) I'm typing this message and it will be sent over a T1 connected to 2 external CSU's before it reaches the internet. Bottom line is, no matter what the FCC says... and if somehow you managed to get it to work without a CSU... I believe the phone company would have a fit if they knew you connected equipment to their network without a CSU on it. They're very big on standards-compliance and stuff like that. Sometime look into their rules and regs about colocating equipment inside one of their CO's... it's very very strict. -- Nick ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Slightly OT:CSU on Digium cards, and it's requirement
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Nick Seraphin wrote: Bottom line is, no matter what the FCC says... and if somehow you managed to get it to work without a CSU... I believe the phone company would have a fit if they knew you connected equipment to their network without a CSU on it. They're very big on standards-compliance and stuff like that. Sometime look into their rules and regs about colocating equipment inside one of their CO's... it's very very strict. Well, moreover, sans CSU the technology would not be T1. :-) I imagine there's probably a DSX-1 interface to an external CSU somewhere, or else another CSU card or element in the chassis. -- Alex Balashov Evariste Systems Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Direct : +1-678-954-0671 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Slightly OT:CSU on Digium cards, and it's requirement
On 6/13/07, C F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is just weird I wrote it in caps so you can read it but you still didn't read it so here it is again: its a T1 card that does NOT have a CSU in it, and it is working fine and yes it is a T1 providing PRI. sarcasm Dang shmaltz. You've convinced us - we've all been wasting our precious money on CSUs this whole time. We're all idiots! /sarcasm Seriously - if you're so sure about your card not having a CSU, what is the make/model? Pony up, man. -Erik ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Slightly OT:CSU on Digium cards, and it's requirement
Quoting C F [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This is just weird I wrote it in caps so you can read it but you still didn't read it so here it is again: its a T1 card that does NOT have a CSU in it, and it is working fine and yes it is a T1 providing PRI. If you are convinced that's what you have, and it works then great. As far as the fcc requirement, who do you think is going to be on the short end of the stick when you have a line issue and the telco wants to do a loopback test and you have no csu to loop ? I highly doubt they are going to fine you or anything like that, but you'll certainly get a bill if they have to come on site because you don't have something there that allows them to test remotely - fcc requirement or not, its only fair don't you think ? On 6/11/07, Alex Balashov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, C F wrote: I disagree with this, I have several T1s that don't use Digium equipment and are directly connecting to T1 cards that DONT have a CSU and work fine. The reason this thing came up was because I was going thru documentation for such a card and it mentioned it's an FCC requirement. That's not possible, unless the handoff you're getting is not actually T1. However, the card almost certainly has a very seamless, inline/onboard CSU of which you aren't even aware of. -- Alex Balashov Evariste Systems Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Direct : +1-678-954-0671 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Jon Pounder _/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ Inline Internet Systems Inc. Thorold, Ontario, Canada Tools to Power Your e-Business Solutions www.inline.net www.ihtml.com www.ihtmlmerchant.com www.opayc.com This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Slightly OT:CSU on Digium cards, and it's requirement
Quoting Erik Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 6/13/07, C F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is just weird I wrote it in caps so you can read it but you still didn't read it so here it is again: its a T1 card that does NOT have a CSU in it, and it is working fine and yes it is a T1 providing PRI. sarcasm Dang shmaltz. You've convinced us - we've all been wasting our precious money on CSUs this whole time. We're all idiots! /sarcasm Seriously - if you're so sure about your card not having a CSU, what is the make/model? Pony up, man. I'll bet that alarm light on it is for something else right ? -Erik ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Jon Pounder _/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ Inline Internet Systems Inc. Thorold, Ontario, Canada Tools to Power Your e-Business Solutions www.inline.net www.ihtml.com www.ihtmlmerchant.com www.opayc.com This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
