Re: PaceCollection
PaceCollection +1 yeeouch - I had no idea just how extensive the difference in opinions as to what a feed represents.
Re: PaceCollection
James Snell wrote: In any case, we're talking about something as simple as the name of a single element. I just don't see any real technical value in changing it's name. It doesn't make processing any easier. It doesn't change any of the functional semantics. It doesn't address any critical bugs in the design. It just doesn't do anything. I don't think asking or looking for technical value is that relevant here. Names are important [witness the arguments over the name RSS]. In markup, element naming tends to matter. In this case replacing atom:feed with atom:collection doesn't help me personally understand the format better - I'm 0 on PaceCollection. cheers Bill
Re: PaceCollection
On Wednesday, February 2, 2005, at 11:55 PM, James Snell wrote: In any case, we're talking about something as simple as the name of a single element. I just don't see any real technical value in changing it's name. It doesn't make processing any easier. It doesn't change any of the functional semantics. It doesn't address any critical bugs in the design. It just doesn't do anything. Allow me to exaggerate. Had we been using the following names, there would obviously be a point in changing them: guacamole chonmage blueberryThis is my blog/blueberry raspberry2004-01-25T10:04:00+/raspberry chonmage mountain blueberryJohhny learns to read/blueberry raspberry2004-01-25T10:04:00+/raspberry [...] /mountain mountain blueberryI resolve to blog/blueberry raspberry2004-01-24T14:02:00+/raspberry [...] /mountain /guacamole Is collection more descriptive than feed of what we're using it for? Would it make for quicker absorbtion of the concept by people not already familiar with the term feed? Would it confuse those already familiar with the term feed? My only objection to collection is that it has two more syllables than feed.
PaceCollection
http://intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/PaceCollection
== Abstract ==
Rename the top level element name for the atom document format which holds a
collection of entries, to better communicate it's collection nature, and
more easily allow non-feed collections.
== Status ==
Open
== Related and Conflicting Proposals ==
none
== Rationale ==
The term feed has generally held the special meaning of the collection of
entries which were recently published, and into which new entries will also
be published, with older entries being removed sliding window style (or
something like that)
Which has meant it has been a pain to refer to Atom Feed Documents which
don't obey that semantic, instead being (say) an archive of all posts within
a specific period of time (eg. June 2004). A given resource (eg. the June
2004 archive) could be said to be both an Atom Feed document, but also
''not'' be a feed. Confusing.
Atom Feed Documents are properly collections, of which feeds are just one
semantic. Other semantics for Atom Collection Documents include archives,
directory, comments, trackbacks, pings, parts, versions, and so
on.
== Proposal ==
Rename the top level element for Atom Feed Documents to atom:collection,
and rename Atom Feed Document to Atom Collection Document.
{{{
no spec text -- this is really just a job for the editor, i hope.
*s/atom:feed/atom:collection/
*s/Atom Feed Document/Atom Collection Document/
}}}
== Impacts ==
none. it's just a name change.
== Notes ==
CategoryProposals
Re: PaceCollection
-1. A name change of the top level element accomplishes nothing.
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 16:55:35 +1100, Eric Scheid
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/PaceCollection
== Abstract ==
Rename the top level element name for the atom document format which holds a
collection of entries, to better communicate it's collection nature, and
more easily allow non-feed collections.
== Status ==
Open
== Related and Conflicting Proposals ==
none
== Rationale ==
The term feed has generally held the special meaning of the collection of
entries which were recently published, and into which new entries will also
be published, with older entries being removed sliding window style (or
something like that)
Which has meant it has been a pain to refer to Atom Feed Documents which
don't obey that semantic, instead being (say) an archive of all posts within
a specific period of time (eg. June 2004). A given resource (eg. the June
2004 archive) could be said to be both an Atom Feed document, but also
''not'' be a feed. Confusing.
Atom Feed Documents are properly collections, of which feeds are just one
semantic. Other semantics for Atom Collection Documents include archives,
directory, comments, trackbacks, pings, parts, versions, and so
on.
== Proposal ==
Rename the top level element for Atom Feed Documents to atom:collection,
and rename Atom Feed Document to Atom Collection Document.
{{{
no spec text -- this is really just a job for the editor, i hope.
*s/atom:feed/atom:collection/
*s/Atom Feed Document/Atom Collection Document/
}}}
== Impacts ==
none. it's just a name change.
== Notes ==
CategoryProposals
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http://www.snellspace.com
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