Re: Need help about texting on iphone
Re: Need help about texting on iphone Agreeing with Afrim here. I'll try to give helpful responses to all of your points Thunderfist, but not sure how good I'll do Thunderfist799 wrote:Basically I haen't really used a touch screen phone that much - I used to huse a nokia n73 but talks is now gone, and the other version I have, wel suffice it to say it is broken. So I decided to switch to an iphone because it's apparently very good.Going by this and the other posts you've put on this thread, it sounds like you really have no experience at all with touch screens and I think this is your biggest problem right now. This is unfortunate; I would always recommend your introduction to touch screens be planned using a device which is not yours, with someone guiding you through the ropes. A friend of mine showed me his phone before I got mine, and that helped me a ton, and made learning to use the IPhone pretty easy for me. Within a few days I could never have gone back to the track phone I used to use. Having a friend or even a teacher help you out is still an option now if you feel you need it, though.As for typing, pretty much everything mastodont said. Use touch typing. It drives me nuts when people just don't. No real reason, they just don't use it, and when they do type they resort to standard typing. I mean, if it works for you, go for it, but it's going to slow you down tremendously; dictation is better than that imho.Perhaps direct touch typing is an option too? I haven't actually tried that, but I have heard that if you're good at touch typing, it's better to stick with that. Opinions on this are welcome, though! Maybe it's a good intermediate for people who need it?With touch typing, the hardest part is keeping your finger steady enough on the screen (more on that later). And the trick to that is practice. Some people naturally are better at it than others. Overall I'd say I'm pretty good, but practice helped me a lot too. I've heard people claim they can reach epic touch typing speeds but I don't see how (fastest I usually go is like 30 words a minute or something), but for typing short messages of a few words it's fast enough for me.If I need to type a long message, braille screen input is definitely my friend. I'm not sure if it's faster than a sighted person, but it's definitely a lot closer at any rate. By default it'll use UEB code I believe, but some prefer grade 1 and others like me prefer the good 'ol grade 2 system. I forget exactly where you change that, but it's possible to change.As for feeling the dots, no the dots don't give you any tactile feedback. However, there's a wonderful feature of Braille Screen Input nobody has mentioned which is the dot calibration. Using this, you don't need to find the dots, the phone finds your fingers instead.I'll explain: When you enter braille screen input, Voice Over should tell you how to calibrate it. But basically you press dots 4 5 6 together then release them, then press dots 1 2 3 together and release. Then the phone will learn where your fingers naturally fall when you type braille. It will remember this positioning too so if you later leave Braille screen Input and come back, chances are you won't need to recalibrate if your hands naturally fall on a certain place on the screen. You can, though, if needed, recalibrate again, and occasionally I have to do this, though with my new phone and later IOS versions I have to calibrate far less often than I used to. Either I'm better at it now, or they've improved it. Come to think of it, I think I've only had to calibrate my IPhone XS once. I do, however, keep typing echo turned on and will adjust my fingers ever so slightly if I seem to be vertically displacing things (often I type dot 1 instead of dot 2 for example).Again, though, braille screen input requires both hands be steady, and some people I've heard just can't make headway with it. I never had a problem with it, but maybe you're one of the unlucky ones who do. Also, it's worth noting that in braille screen input, you can either set the phone flat on a table to type, or hold it vertically with the screen facing away from you. I have never, ever used the flat orientation though, it's always been easier for me to hold it in my hands.Finally you mentioned that when you try to keep your finger steady, it moves on you. First off I think you'll get better at steadiness with time. Touch typing especially will help with that if you practice.Other than that, though, there is a huge trick which hasn't been mentioned yet. When you're first starting out with IOS or a new app and you just want to see what's in it, I wouldn't worry about the screen layout so much. Instead, just touch the top left hand corner of the screen to get VoiceOver near the top (don't aim for the status bar, but slightly below it), and then simply swipe to move Voice Over through the items. Swiping basically means flicking or swiping your finger quickly to the right or left
Re: Need help about texting on iphone
Re: Need help about texting on iphone You don't have to keep your hand on the screen for a long time I feel, or if it is the case, just try taking your hand off the screen and repositioning it again. I would advise you to practise as much as you can these days because it will eventually be easier for you to work on the touch screen. At this stage, avoid the use of Siri or dictation because it will really help you improve your performance on the phone. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/622361/#p622361 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Need help about texting on iphone
Re: Need help about texting on iphone You don't have to keep your hand on the screen for a long time I feel, or if it is the case, just try taking your hand off the screen and reposition it again. I would advise you to practise as much as you can these days because it will eventually be easier for you to work on the touch screen. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/622361/#p622361 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Need help about texting on iphone don't no if anyone has said this before because i don't fiel like going threw 15 posts rite now but. To text or call, or almost anything just tell seary to do it for you, who you want to call message what ever, and what you want to say, then she will say if your ready to send it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/622354/#p622354 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Need help about texting on iphone most screens these days are going to be like that by design, you will eventually will get a hang of the screen UI. I would also recomend you look into getting a bluetooth keyboard if you are having a very hard time using the screen. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/622346/#p622346 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Need help about texting on iphone Fare enough. Also the other thing about the screen being extremely sensitive. Sometimes my hand inadvertently moves slightly up because it's very difficult to hold your hand in one position for far far too long. For example if I go to the bottom my hand accedentily moves up and then I might lose the character field e.g. it might to compose to or some other field. Any suggestions? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/622327/#p622327 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Need help about texting on iphone As for non-English dictation, I imagine if you set your device's language to Arabic or whatever it should adjust to sute.u URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/622317/#p622317 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Need help about texting on iphone This is hard! Now I'm facing a problem. When I swipe from side to side on the phone it doesn't always go where I want it to go because my hand inadvertently goes up and down because it's very difficult for me to keep my hand in one position. So say I intend to be at the bottom my hand might slightly move up.Any advice? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/622302/#p622302 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Need help about texting on iphone There is nothing to feel there mate, that's a touch screen, and it's not a braille display. You should understand how the position of the dots is layed out on the screen cause that's the way you are going to work with the screen. In any way, you should have an idea of the organisation of the elements on the screen. IF you have a QWERTY virtual keyboard, you should be able to assume and guess where the letters are situated, and with practice the spead of your writing on the iPhone will improve significantly. Using the braille screen input, you will compete with sighted users if you can properly get a hang of it.Then again, as I began to say, you should gradually get to know the layout or the rendition of elements on a screen of different applications you will use in a daily basis. For instance, the tabs where you can see different sections of an app are almost always located at the bottom of the screen, and the back button is always located at the top. Communications apps will always have an edit field which should be located somewhere in the middle of the screen and a send button to the right of the edit field. The keyboard is always found at the bottom. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/622297/#p622297 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Need help about texting on iphone JJ, I get what you're saying. In actual fact I wasn't expecting dots to appear on the screen but I understand it now.Regarding dictation, my problem was not dictating something per see, but more to do with non English words. For example, if I say "Hey Umar, what are you doing?" Now we have a problem because Umar is an arabic name, not an english name. If I say hey U M A R, it will just say it as you see. Also with dictation if you want to make a foolstop what do you do? Do you say period? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/622296/#p622296 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Need help about texting on iphone Erm how would you be able to feel dots on a touch screen? I get that you're new to the touch screen experience, but you have to be logical. I never simularly to a brailler. Also dictation is good, however if you have a non american/english accent it may struggle to pick up what you're saying correctly. Something to be mindful of there ed the braille imnput, but from what I'm seeing here you have to try and imagine the layout sim URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/622277/#p622277 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Need help about texting on iphone You have to imagine how the keys would be laid out. As I said earlier, index, middle and ring finger of left hand are dots 1 2 and 3, and right index, middle finger and ring are dots 4 5 and 6. You would press them at the same time, for the letter l you would tap all three fingers of your left hand, the letter g would be both index and middle fingers of each hand etc.Regarding touch tiping, you have to imagine that the lower half of your iphone is a keyboard. Slide your finger around and you will hear the letters you pass over being spoken. When you are on the letter you want to imput just lift your finger of the screen and the letter will be written. Doing it is much easier than explaining it so just practice and I am sure you will manage both modes in no time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/622250/#p622250 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Need help about texting on iphone
Re: Need help about texting on iphone You have to imagine how the keys would be laid out. As I said earlier, index, middle and ring finger of left hand are dots 1 2 and 3, and right index, middle finger and ring are dots 4 5 and 6. You would press them at the same time, for the letter l you would tap all three fingers of your left hand, the letter g would be both index and middle fingers of each hand etc.Regarding touch tiping, you have to imagine that the lower half of your iphone is a keyboard. Slide your finger around and you will hear the letters you pass over being spoken. When you are on the letter you want to imput just lift your finger of the screen and the letter will be written. Trying it is much easier than explaining it so just practice and I am sure you will manage both modes in no time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/622250/#p622250 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Need help about texting on iphone
Re: Need help about texting on iphone You have to imagine how the keys would be laid out. As I said earlier, index, middle and ring finger of left hand are dots 1 2 and 3, and right index, middle finger and ring are dots 4 5 and 6. You would press them at the same time, for the letter l you would tap all three fingers of your left hand, the letter g would be both index and middle fingers of each hand etc.Regarding touch tiping, you have to imagine that the lower half of your iphone is a keyboard. Slide your finger around and you will hear the letters you pass over being spoken. When you are on the letter you want to imput just lift your finger of the screen and the letter will be written. It is much easier when you try than explaining it so just practice and I am sure you will manage both modes in no time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/622250/#p622250 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Need help about texting on iphone In the case of braille screen input, you have to imagine how the keys would be laid out on a Perkins Brailler, I assume. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/67/#p67 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Need help about texting on iphone Hi,Dictation works really well on an iPhone, although I do have a wireless keyboard at home and if texting or sending messages via SKIPE or messenger whilst at home from my iPhone I’ll tend to use the wireless keyboard. if I’m out and therefore not with my wireless keyboard and I need to send a big text or message I’ll just use dictation , even with really long messages it will get it almost word perfect each time. There are two methods for accessing dictation, the one already mentioned here is to tap the dictate button to the left of the on screen keyboard, but what I find a quicker technique is when focus is in an edit field (where the typed text appears), if you just do a two finger double tap it automatically starts dictation, do the same when finished dictating. This works in any edit field, including third party apps too. oh and also I find Siri works really well, it can be used for opening apps, controlling some apps too (I have a YouTube music subscription and I can just ask Siri to start playing a specific artist, playlist , song etc, which is a lot faster than searching the app using voiceover), lots of other really useful stuff Siri can do too. Hope this helpsPaul Lemm URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/66/#p66 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Need help about texting on iphone Imagine what though? Will you feel the brail dots? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/63/#p63 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Need help about texting on iphone you gotta imagine it URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/61/#p61 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Need help about texting on iphone Okay, so let's go through option 1 and 2.1. Touch typing. Yes, I know the Qwerty keyboard ona computer or similar device, but how would I know that on a phone since there are no buttons?Option 2. The brail option. How does that work? So I enable brail.Let's say I go to text say, John with the following messege: "Hey John, how are you doing? Remember those important documents?" I know how to write in brail, that's not the problem. But how do you do it on a phone? Will I automaticly feel the dots on the screen like feeling it on paper? So say I wanted to write the letter r, which are dots 1, 2, 3, 5 do I have to press them all at once like on a Brailnote or a Perkins or all separately? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/622216/#p622216 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Need help about texting on iphone In order to tipe faster I suggest you try the following options. Activate in the voice over rotor the option called touch tiping. When touch tiping, all you have to do is explore the screen with your finger untill you are on the letter that you want then lift the finger and the letter will be inserted, this elliminates the need to double tap. If you know how a querty keyboard is laid out you can write pretty fast because your finger will land really close to the letter you want, sometimes right on it.There is an even faster way to write but you must know braille. Select braille screen imput to be added to your rotor and when you must write something switch to it. Hold the phone with the screen facing away from you, between the thumb and pinky of each hand and write with the other fingers. The stile is similar to the one used by tipe writers, left index is dot 1, left middle finger is dot 2 etc. This mode will seem difficult at first but after you get the hang of it you will be able to write very fast. You can also use dictation to imput text, and you can imput punctuation too if you know the correct wording for it. On any text, you will find a button called dictate. Double tap that, say the text and double tap again to end dictation. I don't use this mode that much though, maybe other forum members can help you with this if you have more questions. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/622206/#p622206 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Need help about texting on iphone
Need help about texting on iphone Hi everyone,Hope you are doing well!I'm running into a major issue on my iphone. Basically I haen't really used a touch screen phone that much - I used to huse a nokia n73 but talks is now gone, and the other version I have, wel suffice it to say it is broken. So I decided to switch to an iphone because it's apparently very good. So several questions.1. How good is Siri on the iphone? I heard it has some problems? Does a blind person have to use it?2. I know the Iphone has voice over, however the issue is I don't know how to text on it properly. For example I was doing a practice messege. I rote "Hello" by cycling through each letter by letter such as a, b, c, d, h and then double tapping, until I got the word "Hello." As it stands it took me 15 minutes just to write that word. Now this is a problem because you can't always use seary or a wireless keyboard to text.Say for example I'm going to work and I need to write a texgt messege to my work partner John as follows: "Hey John, hope you are doing well. Remember today we've got that meeting with Mr. Bartleby? Make sure you bring those documents that the Boss told us to bring. Cheers!" How would I do that in just a few seconds on the iphone? How would I do that with Siri with all the punctuation marks like the comma included? Also say I'm texting someone with a non English name such ttext "Mahmut, ahmad, Umar," how would I do that? How would I add the contact?Kind regards,Thunderfist URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/622192/#p622192 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
