Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Hi.Darn I'm disappointed, this sounded like an excellent project, I really wanted one, I'm very sad this is the end of this notetaker at least for now. I hope it can be finished someday, I think something like this would benefit us all! Really you just can't make some people happy nowadays, their either wining because the product is missing a small feature, or bashing the product itself and the people who own it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=348139#p348139 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker I really like the idea of the cheep notetaker... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=347880#p347880 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker I really do hate this. so what if there is a $80 tablet. It has it's downsides, it has good things, so does this one. I personally love the idea, I mean, if it at the same time can be something very simple for nubies it still can be advanced by those that know coding. It's sad how it musst be dropped because someone decided to spam, yes, spam the topic advertising an other product just because, oeh, I don't know, because he has nothing something smarter to do. But really, why cant people be constructive for a change? it's ok to say that this may sound pointless because there are such alternatives, but spamming in any way is not ok.ok, now my suggestions.1. will this be able to run windows software with something like wine?2. If we so wish, can we connect a display to it and make it show graphics on it? I mean use an external display, not an internal thing. that's all for now, and btw, are you going to bring the website back up? It's currently down so I wasn't able to see the sspecs. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=347787#p347787 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker I really don't get that type of thing, I mean, the dude was trying to make something for the betterment of his fellows, and someone gotta come here and shit all over it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=347554#p347554 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker MODERATION!@joshknnd1982, your overall attitude out here towards devs and their products, particularly this one as reported by devoted forumites is bordering on insulting! Please, do us a favor and curb it before we have to do it for you! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=347366#p347366 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker right, this has been happening time and time again by the same poster even though people here have been very patient and considerate with the person (mentioned above). I was pretty interested on that notetaker since i lost the one I had bought long ago (by saving money and apreciating the work that went behind it just like the rest of the world does) . but thanks a lot for the kindness to make it an open sourced creation. Hopefully some kind of institution or some of us when we have sufficient ambition might pick up from where you left of, Manuel. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=347082#p347082 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker @manuelcortez Since you said this was open sourced, honestly what I would do at this point is just put the source code up on your website or gethub or similar. It would make things a lot easier on you, because people can modify the source and keep it up to date for you. As for Josh's posts, I reported 1 out of the 8 he made to the mods. I hope they do something about this, it's really sad to see good products like this die because of other people's inability to recognize someone's situation and how these devices can help them. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=347078#p347078 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker @manuelcortez Since you said this was open sourced, honestly what I would do at this point is just put the source code up on your website or gethub or similar. It would make things a lot easier on you. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=347078#p347078 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker I certainly agree with @Defender as far as not being respectful to the OP and his project. Even if it doesn't seem like something that would be useful or appealing to you, there are so many different people who could benefit. Like Manuel explained, it would be very helpful for those in countries who would have a hard time receiving the products we are all already familiar with. There are some really great intentions behind this project, so it just seems unfair to try and push it aside and promote a different product. It's similar to trying to push and promote a game by a different developer in a topic where a new developer is trying to get his game off the ground. It's too bad that this didn't get the support that it needed, as I am very interested in the concept. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=347062#p347062 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker I'm amazed that Joshknnd1982 didn't get publicly warned by the mods for pulling that ridiculous bullshit.Multiple posts about the same fucking thing, constant harassment of the OP, essentially advertising a commercial product...If 1982 is the year Josh was born, than I've lost a bit of faith in humanity, because that looked like the kind of crap a 10 year old would pull.I kinda wana know what was going through his head when he just kept posting, and posting, and posting, all while using essentially the same exact sentence every god damn time.How can you be so disrespectful and immature man, not only to Emanual but the forum as well...You may not see the point of what he's trying to do, but continuously yelling over top of him with your obviously biased opinion is the stupidest possible way of expressing it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=347056#p347056 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker I'm amazed that Joshknnd1982 didn't get warned by the mods for pulling that ridiculous bullshit.Multiple posts about the same fucking thing, constant harassment of the OP, essentially advertising a commercial product...If 1982 is the year Josh was born, than I've lost a bit of faith in humanity, because that looked like the kind of crap a 10 year old would pull.I kinda wana know what was going through his head when he just kept posting, and posting, and posting, all while using essentially the same exact sentence every god damn time.How can you be so disrespectful and immature man, not only to Emanual but the forum as well...You may not see the point of what he's trying to do, but continuously yelling over top of him with your obviously biased opinion is the stupidest possible way of expressing it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=347056#p347056 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Yes, the cheapest notetaker in Czech republic costs 3000 usd. I am a writer and I am now in the situation, where I need a notetaker and I have at this time 300 usd which I can invest. I don't want Android tablet with keyboard, Transformer books were good, but they are unawailable in Czech for a long time. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=347045#p347045 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Hi,I hope you all are doing well, I just wanted to do Some clarifications.1. I did (almost) all the project's research, and also invested a considerable amount of money in building the first prototype and software that may be included there. Basically it was running in a modified raspbian install with pre-loaded software. As this project was running a donation campaing and didn't get so much funding, eventually I got more things to do at work, my life changed too and I could not keep spending money and time in this project. Hope I will finish this just for my own fun someday. Wether the project was needed or not is another matter I think.2. I understand $80 devices are so interesting, but the project was intended to give everyone a customized experience as these devices couldn't do. In some countries people can't afford devices like notetakers due to different reasons an this project was trying to bring them the same kind of experience (even you would be able to connect a Braille Display via BRLTTY) for a reduced price and being open source, so everyone with a bit of coding skills could get the device and hack it for other purposes (not only education). I see your point but am not agree (notetakers are still being sold for a reason...).Best regards. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=347044#p347044 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker if it weren't the RCA $80 android tablet, then it would have been a $200 hp stream or something similar that came along and killed the project. After all, for education, and noteTaker purposes, you could get something like hp stream, put NVDA on it, maybe a copy of office, and then you can write all your papers, and even read and do math with NVDA, hook up a braille display and more. For mk-notetaker to have succeeded, it would have had to do something very unique the already inexpensive mainstream devices could not already do. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=347025#p347025 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker @shotgunshellUnfortunately, this is why we can never have nice things. (or at least never for long) URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=346953#p346953 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker I think I know why the project died. "Hey guys, I have something that's better than the MK speak, it's an RCA tablet, and it's for $80! It has this cool magnetic keyboard dock. BTW, did I tell you about this cool RCA tablet for $80? Guys, you need to try this $80 RCA tablet! Did I mention I have an RCA tablet for $80 that has a keyboard dock on it? $80 man, $80!" If I was developing something and I saw someone making 6 or 7 posts about how my product sucks and advertising something else, I'd quit too. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=346951#p346951 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker not sure. maybe it died? like other projects that came, were here for awhile or were just concepts, and then died? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=346943#p346943 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker What happened with this great project? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=346910#p346910 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker I believe he's aiming to sell it for 300 bucks. You're right in that it's basically a modernized/expanded braille plus concept-wise. Except now you also have a desktop. I'm sure Orca will remain up to date. Unfortunately Viavoice, or Voxin as it's called on Linux, is absolutely out of the question because the Viavoice binary can't run on Arm architecture. Trust me, I learned this the hard way when I bought it for my Raspberry Pi. Credit to their excellent customer support, I did get an immediate refund. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=302427#p302427 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker so mk speech would be sort of like the old braillePlus that ran Linux? where you had a menu, suite of apps, but then if you are more advanced you could run a console with speakup, right? and if you guys use the mate desktop and strip some unneeded stuff out, you could make it real lightweight. Also will it stay up to date with the latest version of orca? if using debian ubuntu mate, it'll need the accessibility PPA added to keep the screen reader updated and if using an arch-base, you could just let it alone because arch has a nice rolling release. also for those who wish, maybe you could contract with oralux and offer IBM viavoice or eloquence for those who want it. pair it with the orbit20 braille display and brltty and you should have a pretty good notetaker that can do a lot of stuff. But orca will probably need modifying to accept 6-key entry, so will the mate desktop I'm guessing. though if you want it as a notetaker and for durability I'd say maybe give it at least 32gb of ssd solid state storeage. Then it will run nice and fast and will be pretty much immune to drops and such. how much will this cost in the united states? I may want to buy one just to have and play around with it. I like all types of OS they are fun to use and play with. oh and you may want to have espeak set to a good sounding voice and set to talk slow for the most understandability. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=302414#p302414 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Alright Josh, first of all calm down with the multiple posts. No offense dude, but it gets frustrating going through heading after heading. If you wanna write a novel, do it in a post or two, that's no problem. Also, as great as the rca tablet may be especially for 80 bucks, you really should remember that the US and surrounding countries have a huge marketshare for hundreds of phones and tablets. With that come the insanely cheap tablets. Exclusiveness is also a huge problem as well. There's these cheap ripoff mediatech tablets that are sold via prime, yeah that's right, prime exclusive items, and unless you root them, you've got prime ads all over the place like it's windows 10. Cheap as they may be, those are for prime members. The point is that just because you can get something for next to nothing here in the US, that may mean nothing to a developing country where their equivalent of $80 is so much more for them. Besides, as great as Android is, it ca n't please everyone, and I've come to understand that Android is really an operating system for the technically inclined group of mobile users, and IOS is for the people that want something that just works. Why do I say this? Android may be accessible out of the box, but more apps are required to enrich the experience. By finding out what works and what doesn't, you really know a lot more about your operating system and its accessibility. It really makes you feel like the phone is yours. But Android can't please everyone. I've seen some folks complaining about the Braillenote Touch because the new Android ui is confusing, the world of apps, stuff like that. They do have valid points. I for one love my Touch, but I also have been a longtime Android user. I've seen it grow with damn near every new release, and a lot of these other people are too quick to judge. My point? Most people who use notetakers aren't ready to dive into an open mainstream oper ating system, with a world of apps, social media, and malware if you're not careful. As much as I didn't like how the older braillenotes had such a tight shell around windows ce, I could see how useful that could be for someone who's a little hesitant on jumping into the technological world. The MK speech notetaker basically does this, i e, a consistent interface for those who rely on it, with the full power of a Linux box for those who want it. Best of both worlds. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=302406#p302406 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Hello,@joshknnd1982 I understand your viewpoint, but In my opinion even if Android is getting well in Accessibility related stuff, I think there are some things we couldn't control (even if they say Talkback is Open source), it needs more hardware resources than almost any Linux distribution, lacks some connectivity in most devices (USB, Ethernet, HDMI ports if needed), and these Linux sistems allows you to modify or write every piece of code that can be improved for adding more accessibility to your environment. As @SLJ said, The device will include a set of accessible applications and these applications will be made based in a Library for handling Graphical interfaces, so it will be easier to extend them or add new applications. I can modify and extend the functionality of the default screen reader (I am working in the development team of Fenrir) and every problem will likely to have a bugfix.@Guitarman now I am totally blind, but I was sighted some years ago. T he way I learnt how to work with electronics is not a secret, I learnt the basics when I could see circuitry and diagrams, now I have to ask someone to help me with things that I am not able to do by myself. Usually I am able to read a datasheet and tell to this person (a friend of mine) that I want a circuit with a set of features (inputs, outputs, other boards or GPIO pins in a specified order) and when he is done I can play with them. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=302374#p302374 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Manuels notetaker does not come with a Braille display, and the Android tablet does not either. Braille back is an app which lets you connect a Braille display to Android. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=302311#p302311 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Hello.@Johshk, I'm a little confused here this android tablet comes with a braille display out of the box? Or is that something else you have to buy? I have an android tablet could I set mine up like that?@Manuel, I just came across this topic it sounds like a great idea. I will definitley buy one when it comes out! I have used notetakers for years and when this is done I would be happy to beta test it for you. I can really put it through it's paces! I'm curious about something are you blind or are you sighted? The reason I ask is because you talked about building this and it sounds very interesting. I'm interested because I'm totally blind I would be interested to know how you work with electronics without being sighted. Also I've never had the oppertunity to use linux distributions (except for android) I'd love to try it out I've heard good things about linux. I'm going to check out the demos later. As far as the braille d isplay please don't add that. I had a BrailleNote a while ago, I dropped it, broke the case, and the braille display went out. I sent it to HumanWare and the cost came up to three thousand dollars to fix it and I couldn't afford it. I'm sure that's happened in one way or another to some of us on this forum. They won't give you a break so I think it would be better and cheaper for all of us to not have a braille display. As much as I love braille these displays are far too expensive. All I'm saying I'm fine with just speech that way you don't have to worry about the displays breaking down. As far as keyboards I would prefer a braille keyboard because I can type faster on a braille keyboard than I can on a qwerty keyboard although having a qwerty keyboard wouldn't be a problem for me. All that aside I just want to say I love this idea for mkSpeech I've read the specifications and it sounds better than any notetaker we have had in years . I can't imagine having an open-source notetaker you don't know how many times I've wished I could remove or make updates to the software of notetakers! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=302262#p302262 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Hi.If you buy a notetaker made for blind people, you are guaranteed you are getting an accessible product where everything works out of the box. If you get an Android tablet, you might get a modified version of Android which means things might not be accessible. Then one of your apps might be updated and the accessibility is broken. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=302109#p302109 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Manuel, I for one would look forward to owning one of these. For one thing, a tablet with a keyboard dock is too big and takes up too much surface area, especially for those who travel a lot as I do. To be able to have something more along the size of a brailleNSpeak, but as a fully featured linux box appeals to me a lot! I'm also not a phan of Android personally, I have a device or two, but the development and how it works on one device to another is far too disparate for my liking... Never mind the fact that I can have a totally incogneeto PenTesting box running all the time! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=302072#p302072 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker better off getting it from walmart. just go to walmart.com put in the search RCA tablet and it should be the first result that comes up. I also like it because it comes with google docs sheets and slides and they work good with talkback. I just wish talkback had more keyboard commands for reading fonts and colors, and other commands for reading other stuff in documents like jaws has. it just seems like google android is where the world is headed, that's all. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=302065#p302065 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker I think the guy with the RCA tablet is getting paid. Seriously dude we get the point I think you're going a little too hard with the advertisements. LOL By the way if you're going to do that much advertising give us an Amazon link. Or a link to buy it at Walmart online store. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=302061#p302061 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker all the stuff you are doing though manuel is already done for you on the play store in google. why not just take android 5.0 or 5.1 or even up to 6.0 custom rom with your own android launcher and app suite and stuff throw it on a RCA tablet with physical keyboard dock and there you go you got a great note taker with additional access to google play store and services and even google classroom and eloquence tts. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=301903#p301903 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker also guys I cannot believe that for just $80 united states dollars, I have a great notetaker with magnetic snap in physical keyboard and braille support with the orbit reader20 prototype and brailleback and touch braille with soft braille keyboard if i want touch braille, if I want it, no antivirus needed since it is not rooted at all. I can go anywhere on the web with my RCA blind-accessible notetaker I got from walmart with no fear of viruses at all oh yeah and i use eloquence on my RCA notetaker as its main tts engine but if i wish i can use and buy others. oh and also it has a full size USB port, micro usb, and HDMI port. it also reads my 256gb flash drives no problem. i can read all kinds of ebooks on it including bard books, daisy books, bookshare, and more. google docs sheets and slides work great along with access note for all my notetaker needs. i would love a self-voicing keysoft-like interface for it though with some more accessible apps. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=301902#p301902 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker also guys I hardly ever use the touch screen on my RCA android tablet. I keep it snapped into its magnetic snap in physical keyboard dock use it in laptop mode and use the keyboard 95% of the time. i just use touch with some apps i have that are not as keyboard friendly. but nearly all the time i use its physical keyboard especially for typing and web browsing. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=301898#p301898 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker hey manuel. I have a suggestion. start your project over. but this time develop your notetaker main menu and apps as a combination android launcher and app suite to go along with it. then just encourage people to go buy RCA voyager or galileo pro larger tablets with magnetic snap in physical keyboard docks. then if folks wish, they could use your self voiceing launcher and app suite. or if they wish they could venture out into the regular android world when they are more comfortable with the device. also take soft braille keyboard and integrate it tightly into the system and make it the default keyboard at startup. then for $100 we could have custom RCA android tablets with your special custom android notetaker rom running on them. android is just linux with the touch interface, launchers apps and some google services and google package manager slapped on top. so please i think it is in your best interest to base your note taker on one of the RCA android tablets with its snap in m agnetic physical keyboard dock. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=301897#p301897 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker you don't need a note taker. just get one of the RCA android tablets with its magnetic snap in physical keyboard dock. want a tablet? pull up on the screen, the screen detaches from the keyboard and you got a touch screen only tablet. want it to be a laptop or notetaker? just line it up with the pins on the back of the keyboard and snap the screen back onto the keyboard it snaps in with very strong magnets. and voila! you got a nice laptop and notetaker with a real physical keyboard. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=301896#p301896 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker why? again I ask why do I need such a notetaker when the RCA galileo pro that runs android and android sits on top of linux. and my galileo pro has a physical keyboard dock and built in screen reader accessible at first setup. you can use brailleBack and accessNote app and many other accessible apps. oh yeah and web browsing on the RCA galileo pro is wonderful with its snap-in-magnetic keyboard dock URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=301895#p301895 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker why should I pay $300 or so for a notetaker, when I can do the exact same thing with my $80 RCA galileo pro android tablet with talkback screen reader and brailleBack and if I want touch braille, soft braille keyboard app? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=301894#p301894 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker yes i agree. I got a RCA galileo pro tablet from walmart with physical keyboard dock and built in screen reader for $80 united states dollars. And with the right apps you got a great note-taker and media player already. the RCA galileo pro works great especially when connected to wired or bluetooth speakers. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=301893#p301893 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Fenrir is in English. I've heard demos of the notetaker's software in action and it's English is pretty solid. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=301501#p301501 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Ah, that's good to hear that you've taken durability into consideration, because even the most careful of us can drop or hit things accidentally. I have never heard of this fenrir screen reader, is it in english? I do of course know Orca.You say you are considering both a QWERTY and a braille keyboard, my question then is if a user chooses a braille keyboard, will grade 2 input be supported? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=301449#p301449 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker hello,@ironcross32 3d printing is very complex because there are lots and lots of materials and every day new kind of designs are possible. Currently I am working with a guy who is helping me with 3d printing, he has knowledge about this matter because he works exactly in this industry (though he prints circuitry more than cases). We are going to make a case with more than a layer, being the second of a different material so it won't be so easy to break. Right now the design is done, just need to have more funds so we could think in printing them in a prototype and make some tests in real conditions. About the device, it will include fenrir as the console screenreader, though you still will be able to use the full Linux console if you want, so you could install speakup if needed. The operating system will contain the custom applications I am doing for the project, and a section where you will be able to access to some common applications with Orca (3.22.0 at this time) and the mate desktop 1.14. The applications that will be included by default, besides the desktop environment, will be firefox, libreoffice, thunderbird and teamtalk. More can be added later if they work fine. At the moment I don't plan to add a display, because it would be more expensive, hard to implement with the current setup, and the battery drain will increase at least in 200 or 300%. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=301361#p301361 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker The biggest appeal I see for this is actually marketed in other countries where government agencies don't exist, or don't have the budget to buy equipment for their blind students. I do have some questions though. First off, you mentioned 3D printing for the parts, but from what I've seen and heard about it, the parts you get from desktop 3D printers, even ones that cost nearly 2,000 USD, well, the parts you get aren't very strong. What you need for a notetaker is a strong case, because even if you are careful, accidents still can happen, even if you carried the thing around like it was the holy grail, someone else could slam into you, knocking it out of your hand and onto the floor. it would be unfortunate then, since a case made from 3D PLA or ABS plastic probably wouldn't stand up to that. So, my question about that is how do you plan to address durability issues. One thing I can think of us to have a sighted person create a 3D model which could be 3D p rinted, then the print could be taken to a machinist, or a plastics shop that could manufacture it in a stronger, more durable material. You would need to negotiate a contract with the shop though, since your aim is to manufacture these units in bulk, that would add some money to the final cost, but a little money here and there to make the thing a little more durable I think is a good thing. Second, would this device be able to use Speakup on the shell, like bash or if you wished, zSH? Also, would it be possible to be able to use GTK or QT apps like Audacity, gEdit and Mumble?I am enthusiastic about this, though I am not in the notetaker space right now, I definitely see that this project has marketability. I think here in the U.S., but definitely in other countries, especially in non-western ones.Oh, another question, will the notetaker be offered with a builtin display, or is that off the table due to it driving costs up too high? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=301349#p301349 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
2017-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : tysonsylvester123 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker I agree with that statement, I also think it would be great for college life. Because as you know, carrying around a laptop can be, kind of frustrating, especially if you're like me, and in a wheelchair. Smaller, is better so I truly hope to see this thing see the light of day URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=301347#p301347 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Tyler, I don't even think the Pi needs a license to be embedded into other devices. Modifying the board, adding parts, you name it, it's all part of the nature of a diy device. It's why they have the Pi0 which is more suited for embedded devices, but the Pi3 comes with more internals out of the box than the pi0 does, making it more suited for the notetaker. As for commercialization, well this is precisely the same argument that could be had about Android and its open sourced nature. You have the commercial android binary, and then you have the Android Open Sourced Project. But if you think about it, you could build your own android open source project, compile it, sideload Google Apps into it, and you've pretty much built your own Android tablet without the physical device. Sure, it's not a touchscreen tablet, but the software is near completely there. It's how Android x86 was forged. Yet Android phones are still selling strong. Granted, that argument is only half valid for the notetkare market, but this is exactly what I'm talking about. License something under gpl, and it can be copied as long as credit is given. If you think about it, would a technical illiterate *no offense* download a prebuilt image, or even compile the code themselves, or would they buy the notetaker? Yeah, they'd buy the notetaker, and I'm not even gonna sugarcoat, there are more technical illiterates in this day and age then there are literates, *again no offense* because tech as of today is designed to "just work." But that's a separate argument, my point basically is that more people are gonna buy the notetaker, especially in those developing countries. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300838#p300838 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Hello,@28 Exactly because it will be open source it's why it will be more protected against this kind of situations. Say that you want to use the operating system, in fact you could. Being the software open source, nothing would stop you for taking the pieces and put them together for making your operating system as you want. You would do that in a VM, so it won't fix any of the problems a notetaker will fix (because you still would need any linux OS, and would need a PC). If you would like to take that code you will have to respect the GPL license, which means that if you use it, you still need to give me credits for that code, any modification must be given back to the original source, and you can't distribute it under a different license. I am planning to make a dual license so commercial use will be linked against another license, and personal use will be licensed under GPL, like MySql does, for example. So if someone would like to take that code for makin g his own notetaker and start to sell it without working, this person will have to contact me and talk about the commercial use of the projects that I have done.Finally I don't think it should be needed, but I still need to protect the work I have done and am doing in these set of projects. I think with A dual license I will allow devs to play with the notetaker as they want, they even could make applications (I am writing something like a set of libraries for drawing widgets and stuff with the interface I am creating for the notetaker) and if they want, they could distribute these apps as open source (or, if everything goes well, I would be willing to make like a store where they could offer paid apps if they like). It's not hard to make apps by using the interface, and there are lots of things that you could code. I am pretty sure this kind of opportunities are harder in other kind of systems and will add something different to this product from the user's per spective. Not only the person who made the device is able to add apps. At least that's how I see the future of the device and that's why I think open source allows much more this kind of scenarios than proprietary OS'S. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300806#p300806 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker I think what a lot of people are forgetting is that this notetaker is primarily intended for developing countries, where people probably don't have as much money. In this situation, Linux is really the best way to go, because it's completely free, and can be modified by anyone, so it could create more interest in the open source community.Also, the Pi is running an ARM processor, so unless people have access to an ARM based PC, I don't think theft will be an issue.Although, ARM based PCs are becoming more likely, or so I've heard, but it'll probably be a while before we see any of them, if at all. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300798#p300798 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker there's a few things you might want to considder. 1. Being the fact that you're using a linux system for your main OS, that could lose you some money. The reason why, is that, since it's open source, anyone could copy it and make new versions of it, install it on their computers, and not buy the actual product, making you lose money, in the end. Also, because you're designing the parts for the keyboards and such, you're going to have to have a good amount of money to help you make this a good product. The thing that made the BraillePluss not sell very many units was that the note taker market isn't that big. This is, in part why a BrailleNote costs almost 6 thousand US dollars. This is why JAWS costs as much as a new computer. This is why I don't buy JAWs, because, Why bother making my State buy that screen reader when NVDA reads more, is free and doesn't make someone in the end spend ubserd ammounts of money to use a computer. A nyway, back to point. The blind tech market, isn't that big. If you just through your code and stuff out there for everyone to see, it could go one of 2 ways. 1, It could be knocked off and stolen, and you wouldn't make money off of it. 2, it could sell well, making more people buy the note taker, therefore making you a monopoly over the note taker market. This might show the other companies that making people spend enough money to buy a used car, is stupid, and that they would make more money if things were cheaper. Also, more people would be using Linux, which is good, if you make the interface consistant and easy, so not technically educated people don't panic if they see a CLI. Then, people will be more able to use linux, as a whole, making the linux cvommunity grow, more. Now, as far as the hardware goes, You might have to get a license to sell your modified pies, so you don't have the possibility of getting put in a legal war. Good luck. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300797#p300797 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker You've got a good point there Turtlepower, and let me add to that by pointing out that not everyone wants a computer either. I'm not talking just general users, but take a school scenario for example. A vision teacher may not want to throw their students into the world of mainstream computing right away, and may rather they use a consistent notetaker. Could possibly be the reason for the Braillenote's popularity for that setting as the interface was always consistent. It was true that Keysoft on Windows Ce was a tight shell especially in the later Apex, but I could see the benefit from a student perspective. Like I said earlier, the notetaker doesn't pose the necessities of daily computing tasks slow startup time, antivirus, you name it. This device basically provides the best of both worlds. A comfortable environment for that situation, and the full power of Linux for us all. Manuel, I'd definitely recommend ExtFs to anyone using the device and not any of the free alternatives you may find. This is definitely not a you get what you pay for thing, but I've heard reports of read-only access, or filesystem corruption when transferring files with the other lesser known alternatives. Besides, Paragon have been around for a long time, and this is exactly what their field is. They brought us Ntfs support for Mac, so ExtFs is just as solid. I mean, the only other free solution I'd suggest is, uh, getting a Linux installation? But not everyone wants that on their desktop if they don't plan on using Linux as a daily driver on their computer, much less loading up a live cd for a backup or file transfer. ExtFs just make extended filesystems appear just like any other drive in windows explorer or finder. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300725#p300725 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker I can see something like this picking up where the original Braille Plus left off. That was by far my favorite notetaker, which really had a lot of potential to be more than it ultimately was. I hope to see this project succeed. It's true that there isn't as much of a need for notetakers, or many other blindness specific products, as there once was, but not everyone wants a touch screen device. Even if they are using a touch screen for most things, there's still the fact that typing on a touch screen is way slower and more cumbersome than typing on a physical keyboard. Of course, one can just hook a Braille display or bluetooth keyboard to their phone, but in some situations, that's just one more thing to carry around with you, and an all in one device with a keyboard included would make much more sense for productivity reasons. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300684#p300684 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Hello,@22 didn't know about that software, then it looks much easier to make the SD Card available for windows users. Thank you for the suggestion!@23 yes, It's a raspberry pi and we're designing the different pieces for being printed, yes. So far I have print the board for managing the power (like draining power from batterie, charging battery and let the Pi to know energy remaining), but when donations will reach the goal, we are ready to print the case, the keyboard's board and other useful pieces needed for the development. Yes, as this operating system will be based in Linux, I plan to expose (for those who know how to use it) the Linux command Line and its power (through an option in the main menu). URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300675#p300675 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Also for those of you who love linux command line you could use Ecasound or if you have a sdr dongle you could do shortwave radio listening through the command line. You could even make videos using pictures and audio files with ffmpeg as well. Love this idea man and love this project. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300304#p300304 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Hey MK I was wondering it wasn't clear on the web site,so your using a rasbery PI for the mother board? And did you get help with the 3d printing? This could be a grate linux computer when its all said and done. MK would love to get my hands on one and do some bug testing for you and maybe add some more recordings to the site. You can always email me through the forum. I have got nothing else to do so yeah. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300301#p300301 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Windows hates the ext system unless you have extra software, and yes I am recommend the *purchase* of another piece of software but it's definitely worth it. Paragon ExtFS is a low-level system driver that will embed extended filesystem support into your pc or mac, for around $20. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300295#p300295 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Yea, I am using only class 10 SD Cards for testing, though I still have to test if another filesystem (windows hates EXT family and it's the default for the Pi) can be supported. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300287#p300287 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker For the general user, you could use a removable sd card or nandflash, though if you use a flash it should definitely be compatible with either a windows machine, linux box, or windows/mac machine with ext4 drivers. I say this because I know the Braillenote Apex uses a Flash and I was told it wouldn't work in a computer if someone popped the flash, though of course I highly doubt the accuracy of that fact as how else would Keysoft have been programmed? Anyway, removable sd card would be the most versatile solution, as long as it's a class 10 sdxc for best performance. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300283#p300283 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Hello,@17 it could be possible, of course. But I have to find a point where most of non-technical users will be confortable with the device, and after that I could think about how this could be modified. Sadly this can't be considered, at least right now, a DIY project because It will needs 3d printing, drivers, soldering and other things. Hope this can be easier in the future, though. Windows 10 for IOT does not include audio drivers, and the custom soundcard we have does not include drivers, only for the linux kernel, and exactly the ARM V7 branch, so it is a bit hard to think in Android (not officially supported) or windows 10. Of course I could make the drivers if there are changes in Microsoft's or google's side. anyway it should be easy to create a custom build, the memory will be easy to extract and I plan to provide documentation for flashing operating systems, though I couldn't guarantee accessibility in custom builds.@18 unfortunately it c ould be harder, as every board has different pin headers, energy requirements and the soundcard's drivers are not going to be available, I guess. But I can investigate about this possibility later. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300242#p300242 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker It'd also be nice if we could replace the PI board as the Raspberry Pi evolves. That way you could add worlds first modular notetaker for the blind to it's title. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300163#p300163 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Do you plan on making the flash removable like the Braillenote Touch? I ask because in the diy open source world, that's usually the case. If the flash were removable, not only would that mean similar benefits to that of the Touch, but would be huge for the open source end of things. Maybe there could be custom builds that people could either flash, or people could compile their own. Windows 10 Internet of Things may have some potential, I'm not saying the full software stack would *need* to be implemented, but the bare bones, software to control braille, would be fine so that people would have something to tinker with and possibly install windows apps on. Maybe Android if the specs are sufficient enough for Android, even if it's an older revision. Brltty works in most linux based setups, and then other translations wrappers can be applied for grade 2 entry. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300148#p300148 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Manuel,If you posted each program as you finished them the other programmers could make suggestions as to how to improve the code.I've developed main menus in C plus Plus and Visual Basic 6.My vb6 main menu had single letter hot keys assigned to each choice, which when entered by the user, selected the menu selection immediately rather than using the arrow keys to move to the selection and then hitting the enter key. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300109#p300109 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Hello Phil, I will release all custom software as open source when MKSpeech is released. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300104#p300104 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Manuel,This sounds very interesting.Will you be posting your main menu source code to GitHub? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300097#p300097 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
2017-03-02
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : ammericandad2005 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker betcha this will be the cheepest Note Taker on the planet! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300079#p300079 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Hello,@7 exactly, that's the point. There are lots of situations where a notetaker is still needed and of course, people from lots of countries can't afford them.@8 This operating system is based in a Linux OS, that will be updated every two years (a big update) but new versions of important software (security patches, and new versions for the custom software I am doing) will come even faster. I am planning to release the full software stack as open source, so you could install the base operating system (Debian, arch) in a VM, and install the software I will release so you could use the operating system almost in the same way. The screen reader will be Fenrir, probably, but there are other two apps that are being considered right now. In the MKSpeech's website you'll have a complete list of specifications (Basically LAN, wiFi, Bluetooth 4.1, HDMI, and 3 USB ports) and yes, basically you can modify the full operating system as you want for meeting yo ur needs. Right now you can connect Android based Phones, and I plan to work in support for transfering files to iPhone too. You can connect hard drives or flash drives in the 3 USB ports, however you would have to be careful with the energy drain. There is no possibility to update Ram memory and graphics, but it should be Enough (read specs).@11 I am still exploring different sices, so can't be very sure about the final dimensions of the device. It should be compatible with lots of windows based software, though you couldn't install them there (cause it is going to use Linux). I hope the features will be updated for some years and more software will be added after the first release. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300063#p300063 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker I support this project if this device will not be larger than e.g. 10-inch tablet. I tryed using tablets as notetakers (I had both iPad 2 and Samsung Galaxy Tab4 10.1), because they are smaller than laptops and faster than netbooks, but I sold both tablets because writing long texts is really not practical on a touch screen. I was using Braille 'n Speak notetaker from Blazie Engineering for about 8 years actively, but I've stopped using it due to various reasons, including bad compatibility with Windows-based software and out-of-date features. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=300019#p300019 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker I think this is a really cool idea. I really hope that this project comes to fruition. It would be great if more disabled people in developing countries had access to this technology. It could even spark more interest in the Linux and open source communities. Those communities could definitely use more blind and visually impaired enthusiasts.Well done, and best of luck to you! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=33#p33 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Sean, it runs a modified Linux distro. With the software being completely open source, I'd assume that it would be available to download as an image. It may, however, be an Arm distribution. But software can be added and removed as you please. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=299936#p299936 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Well, here is 5 bucks for you.But there are a few things that would have to be a bit more.1. what is the os for this thing, windows 10, linux, etc.Is it a custom os and can it be updated.Is this os going to be available for pcs to.Will it be accessible and what screen readers etc will it support or will you make your own.What devices will it support, wifi bluetooth lan, modem, usb 2 3 3.1 usbc etc, etc.Could I connect my android or iphone to it.Could if I chose, run outside the box and load whatever I wanted on it if I didn't want the features it had and do extra things to it.Could I add external hard drives and stuff.Could I install aditional hardware in it, hard drive, bigger flash drives, etc.Could I upgrade the ram, graphics card, etc.The reason I stopped using note takers in general is while I could run things within them after I learned how to use a computer I realised what was out there, ie g ames, not just interactive fiction, and surfing the net though you can do that with these devices now days as well as play some games still.I used to like my old dead dos keynote note taker, if I wanted to I could get out of the system, enter the os and do whatever with it.I wouldn't mind having a device with a couple boards but I'd like to connect external devices to, braille embossers come to mind, printers obviously via network or usb, hard drives and extra flash storage and probably smart cards and maybe bluetooth speakers.I'd also like the ability to charge a device off of it while its plugged in.I'd also like a headphone jack for headphones and standard speakers.Would this thing have the ability to play cds I know thats not a big thing but I still use it.Oh and the ability to play audible, epub and pdf, files would be good and daisy books.Yeah I know its a lot but you will be asked questions on exactly what does wha t. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=299931#p299931 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Well, Blindndangerous, keep in mind that our situation is not the same as some others. We as tech-savy computer users may be just fine using Linux, which I might as well point out that this system will be using Linux, so completely open source. But some folks can't use a computer, or their vision teachers don't know how to use a computer, or they're comfortable with a braille keyboard. More than anything, a consistent interface may be what they're looking for, a device with a fast startup time, no need to worry about antivirus loading, etc. This is why while we certainly need to get the notetakers as mainstream as possible, the notetaker idea has not completely died off yet. Besides, there's always the problem of braille translation. If a teacher wishes to emboss, the student would have to use the braille translation software, and they may have trouble working that software when a notetaker does it behind the scenes. Perhaps not *this* notetaker, but every other notetaker with a braille display. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=299928#p299928 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
2017-03-01
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : blindndangerous via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Yes, this is what I was talking about. I think you had something about it a while back on twitter. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=299916#p299916 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Hello blindndangerous (sorry, didn't see your post until I have sent mine).I am not sure what post you are talking about (I have sent some posts in the last months), but I think you can read this post. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=299912#p299912 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Hello SLJ,Thank you!I am still thinking and trying to look the best options for making the price even more affordable. Right now the problem will be to produce the device in a good amount of units for decreasing the price. I am estimating that the price will start from (USD) $300 with a keyboard, and up to $450 with 64 GB of memory and the two keyboards. I still have to try to put 128 GB of memory there and see how it works.About the keyboards, this is the funny and difficult part. Right now I have done the circuitry for power management, audio stuff and functions for charging and letting you know the battery's status. If the campaign gets enough donations I will start to work in the case (I made one, but we need to make a custom model and print it in 3d for being easier to produce) and the keyboard, I have developed the keyboards (both QWERTY and Braille) in theory, I mean I have the needed files and drivers, but we would need more money for buying needed p ieces and make some prototypes.Unfortunately it's a bit expensive to develop this kind of pieces because I have to print only an unit of each of them, and it's when they cost much more. If I'd ask like 50 or 100 units the price would be cheaper. But I think it is totally doable, and the software part is almost ready. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=299910#p299910 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
2017-03-01
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : blindndangerous via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker This is nothing against you, but rather a few questions I see.Why should people care? What is yours going to bring to the table apart from maybe a lower price?Why a notetaker when laptops/tablets can do a better job then all notetakers that are currently on the market and can cost about $200 for a low working thing? Why do we need yet another blind specific device? All the things you say in your post that I saw a few weeks ago, and this post really doesn't offer anything new to the market. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=299908#p299908 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
2017-03-01
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : blindndangerous via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker This is nothing against you, but rather a few questions I see.Why should people care? What is yours going to bring to the table apart from maybe a lower price?Why a notetaker when laptops/tablets can do a better job then all notetakers that are currently on the market and can cost about $200 for a low working thing? Why do we need yet another blind specific device? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=299908#p299908 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker
Re: MKSpeech: Open source, Low cost notetaker Hi Manuel.[[wow]], really [[wow]] dude. This is totally extremely amazing... You'll be known world wide for this awesome product, and people will buy this notetaker so fast, so it'll be difficult to produce new devices. Do you have any idea about the price? I could imagine myself using this for sure.I'm so amazed that you're even able to develop such a cool product. How have you made the Braille keyboard, and the case for the notetaker? It must be pretty expensive to develop all this.I look so much forward to hear more about this. Keep up the fantastic job. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=299898#p299898 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
