Re: Samsung 50 inchaccessible TV
Re: Samsung 50 inchaccessible TV What I'm really hoping for is that TiVo will make their DVRs accessible.It was really convenient to load it up with the names of programs I liked and let it record them when ever they are aired, then when I want to watch TV, just go look through all the recorded programs and pick something that appeals to me. No need to keep track of what's on and when, the TiVo DVR does that for you.And for those times when you are watching live TV, the TiVo DVR is also recording what you're watching in a 30 minute buffer so you can pause it when you leave to refill your drink or whatever and not miss anything. Or you can rewind it a bit when you do miss something.It makes TV so convenient that TV just isn't TV any more without it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240749#p240749 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Samsung 50 inchaccessible TV
Re: Samsung 50 inchaccessible TV @Figment:Thanks for your thoughts. Very sorry it had to come to returning the product.Indeed, I do hope progress is made in this area, and soon. The TV is now "Smarter" than ever. Whether or not that's a good thing is neither here nor there ... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240747#p240747 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Samsung 50 inchaccessible TV
Re: Samsung 50 inchaccessible TV ammericandad2005 ,At $1,300 it's not worth it until they fix the accessibility system so it doesn't interfere with the TV.aaron ,That was one thing I did like about the Samsung TV, they went to Nuance for text to speech software, so the voice is very understandable. Samsung also did a good job of making sure the voice read everything, the only area where I encountered things not being read was in their Smart Hub, which is their way of bundling all your sources of content into one place.I suspect I'll just keep using my inaccessible Panasonic TV until the latter half of next year when all manufacturers will have to have accessible products to be in compliance with the CVAA. There will be a lot more choices and they be further along in development so there should be fewer problems. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240705#p240705 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Samsung 50 inchaccessible TV
Re: Samsung 50 inchaccessible TV Hello,@figment: I have the panasonic model, here are my thoughts:Basically, I like it but I think more can be done, a bit like Samsung. First off, you'll need sighted help to turn it on. Second thing, when you switch channels, it will completely mute the tv sound while the voice is talking. Thirdly a lot of other thigns aren't really usable, for instance here in the UK the iPlayer feature, and even the main menu. The option menu, which is a separate button, speaks it's settings.The voice at least for the uk version sounds like something from Vocalizer but I could be wrong.To be honest though, for browsing the guide and going to a channel, it's fine, but don't expect the level of, say, Apple accessibility here, at least not on the initial model. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240532#p240532 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Samsung 50 inchaccessible TV
2015-11-29
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Re: Samsung 50 inchaccessible TV I wish I had that tv! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240501#p240501 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Samsung 50 inchaccessible TV
Re: Samsung 50 inchaccessible TV Hmm. On one hand, I feel like Samsung is trying to add accessibility, but either they don't have blind / low vision etc, people on the team, or there not getting good advice. Still though, you do have to give them a thumbs up for doing *something* towards accessibility.And (although you may be selling that TV), if I were you I would keep an eye on some online forums that deal with hacking those kinds of TV firmware. I don't mean hacking in a bad way (stupid media for giving it a bad connotation)...It would be cool to crack the software open and see exactly what's going on.Also, just a quick note here:BIG COMPANIES LIKE SAMSUNG HAVING A MICROPHONE IN MY LIVING ROOM DISTURBS ME!I'm reasonably Ok with using siri and dictation from apple, but in general apps that send your data off somewhere else and get a response back (sadly, lots of them these days), creep me out. I'll leave out the hole government-has- an-ear-in-your-living-room argument, and let you imagine that for yourselves . URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240308#p240308 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Samsung 50 inchaccessible TV
Re: Samsung 50 inchaccessible TV I'm not so sure that Samsung is adding accessibility to their products out of the goodness of their hearts.In 2010 the US government passed the 21st century Communications and Video Accessibility Act. Among other things this law requires that manufacturers of communications and video equipment make their products equally accessible to blind and visually impaired people as they are for sighted people, by the end of 2016.Three companies that I know of have already started releasing accessible products, Panasonic, Samsung, and Sony.With the Samsung TV I got, my impression is that the accessibility portion of the product doesn't get the level of testing the rest of the product does. Otherwise, no company that cares even a little about its reputation would ever release a product with so many obvious flaws.It will also be interesting to see what happens with all these terms and conditions and privacy policies you have to accept to get the accessibil ity functions to work. Especially when they all say that the product collects usage and other data which is sent back to the manufacturer. One easy way to prevent this is to not hook the TV up to the internet, but then the accessibility and other features of the TV may not work.In the past, connecting a TV up to the internet was always optional, but with this Samsung TV, if you want access to all the TVs features, this doesn't include streaming apps like Netflix or Amazon Instant Video, connecting the TV to the internet is required, even if the feature doesn't use the internet. They just want to make sure that data collected about you can be sent back. I can see a lawsuit being filed over that.Because the microphone is in the remote, I don't think it is on all the time. That would drain the remotes batteries much faster than is usual for remotes, which could alert the owner that something is going on. But still, the voice command terms and conditions and privacy policy does say that it does collect usage data that will be sent back to the manufacturer. So just like Siri, I don't say anything personal when I know it's listening. On the other hand, if you decide you will not be using the voice command feature, you can't turn the microphone off. I saw a microphone option in the menus where you could disable the microphone if you wanted to, but the option was disabled, which means you can't access it to change it.The only other Samsung product I've ever owned was another TV and it had software bugs that were never fixed and it died after only three years of very light use. So I wasn't very impressed with Samsung and vowed never to buy any product from Samsung again. Unfortunately, my options for an accessible TV are rather limited.As far as the other two companies are concerned, I read that Panasonics first foray into accessibility was done in colaberation with RNIB, so those TVs only reached the UK and Australia, which doesn't do US residents any good.And Sony's accessible TV is supposed to be based on Android, and my last experience with Android's accessibility wasn't all that good. So, if Sony is depending on Android's built in accessibility and that hasn't improved much since I last had an Android device, which was about two years ago, I'm not sure what to expect from them.Personally, I've been very happy with every Panasonic product I've ever bought, so given a choice, I'd prefer to get a TV from them. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240335#p240335 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Samsung 50 inchaccessible TV
Re: Samsung 50 inchaccessible TV Well, Samsung finally had me contact their remote support department to have one of their technitians access the TV remotely and troubleshoot it.After he did his thing, the conclusion was that the accessibility software is interfering with the TV's normal operation, which leads me to conclude that my impression that the accessibility functions weren't thoroughly tested has some merit.So, the TV is back in its box waiting for UPS to pick it up on Monday to return it.I think I'll try to get my hands on one of Panasonic's accessible models. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240409#p240409 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Samsung 50 inchaccessible TV
Re: Samsung 50 inchaccessible TV Well, Samsung appears to have a ways yet to go before they'll have an accessible TV.It turns out that Sebby may have been right about accessibility being added on to an existing product, though I have no idea if that is the case with this TV.What I do know is the TV has a bunch of obviously unintended behaviors, as I had described in earlier posts.After working with Samsung over the past two weeks trying to resolve the problems and getting nowhere. Then having Samsung direct me to a page on their web site where I could start a live chat with their remote troubleshooting people, and finding nothing at all on the page related to live chat or remote troubleshooting, I decided to give up.Next week, the TV is being returned.My last Samsung product wasn't a good experience either. It was another TV. It had problems that were never resolved, and the TV died after only three years of very light use.I doubt I will ever buy another Samsung product again. Two products and both being bad experiences, kind of sets a pattern. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240249#p240249 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
