Re: Why do so many blindies bash android?
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @Ethintrue that! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/436817/#p436817 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @122, I get what Jack was talking about. I don't consider myself an Android Evangelist (I've never even heard of that kidn of term being used) but I will gladly use Android over iOS any day. As I said in 121, I believe that Android is doing its best to emulate the PC kind of world where you can pick and choose what you want to do and how you want to acquire software, something that iOS doesn't do. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/436812/#p436812 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @EthinSome folks will look at "referenced" material from another thread, others will not. With that being said, here's @Jack's full quote in relation to this topic, which I separate with its own heading.Jack's Words"Admittedly the Android community, or lack thereof, is such an unmoderated shitshow with a few here and there keeping the piece/starting their own android user list to separate from the nonsense from the elitists (some of which who call themselves Android evangelists). Also, we need to actually participate in market research/voting opportunities when they come. Seems like some of the android user-base is so good at making noise when companies aren't actively listening, but when it comes to the point when companies want new leads/are considering an Android move, no one shows up to vote. Seriously, Backpack Studio did not receive many votes for an Android version, which was disappointing no end. There were a few times where Microsoft released polls asking what we wanted out of Seeing AI. Since Android is such a fragmented platform with many different devices and variations of different cameras, sensors, api's and other specs, there needs to be enough demand for it. Especially when it's a project they're doing for free, yet investing serious amounts of compute power and money into it. Unless we want to start paying for Seeing AI which I"m sure will be a showstopper for many. So the next time Microsoft releases a poll for Seeing AI input, go out and vote, don't just shout on your platform of choice hoping someone's gonna hear you."Ansering Other ThingsWhen it comes to using "other" app stores and/or side-loading non-play store applications, there's always been mixed emotions from people on that subject, especially from "most" people living in Europe/North America.For example, I have used Aptoide before, along with F-Droid. In addition, I'm also looking at an app Store right now called Up To Down, where I do love its interface.I'll talk more about the above from my own adventures among the Android App world, over in This AG room later on.So... about that Voice Dream Reader Android App vs Voice Allowed ReaderMaybe listening to the interview isn't necessary after sharing the above, since Voice Dream Scanner ain't coming to Android anytime soon? Then again, there's many apps out there on Android which do a quite nice job.Well, hopefully the above clears up some things... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/436737/#p436737 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android?
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @120, I don't really get what your point is. I disagree with the quote you put at the start -- because there will be some people to vote for accessibility improvements -- but you can't expect everyone to be happy with those improvements. Everyone has varying expectations, and that quote seems to lump android users into a black/white group of sorts. Second, your podcast (IMO) has no value to your post; I didn't get what you were trying to get across with that one. Third, your points.1) androidaccess.net. No, there is not a AppleVis for Android. That is unfortunate, yet it is understandable. 2) Google TTS framework issues. I'd use commentary if it wasn't in beta and was actually stable. I think more people would use it if that were the case as well. 3) app stores. What's wrong with differing app stores? Windows has millions of varying "app stores" if you consider all the ways you can purcahse things for windows (and for Mac and Linux) and that is quite a successful model. What's wrong with Android attempting to emulate that? Sure, its a mobile device... so? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/436674/#p436674 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android?
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? So, I'm connecting Post 21 From some RS Games IOS thread over to here, as the below quoted sentence fits well:"Seems like some of the android user-base is so good at making noise when companies aren't actively listening, but when it comes to the point when companies want new leads/are considering an Android move, no one shows up to vote."Before I share my thoughts, I would like for you dear reader (whenever ya have the time,) take a listen to Episode 182 of the "Blind Bargains Qast," featuring an interview with the dev of "Voice Dream Reader/Writer" promoting "Voice Dream Scanner."FYI: The part about the Voice Dream suite in particular, is "unedited" by Patric/JJ, and well... ... I won't spoil it for ya.Now, my speculation for why Assistive Technology devs are not "porting" IOS apps to Android, are 3 key things:1. Marketing/Community FragmentationRemember http://androidaccess.net? No? Well for one, it "Doesn't Exist" anymore (unless ya journey back to the last official Wayback Machine Entry of it from November 2018.) And then of course we got Inclusive Android where its, ... "surviving." It ain't no AppleVis though...2. Google's "handling" with its own Screen ReaderI "love" and use Comentary/Jieshuo Screen Reader as my "daily driver" on my Galaxy S10E, with Voice Assistant for either "Samsung Specific" apps (like EMail,) or when extensively navigating around the Droid interface using a BT keyboard. Talkback is "off" of my phone, and I ain't touching it no more! So once Commentary is fully translated in to English and then in to more languages after that, what will devs pick as their screen reader of choice to "blind-friendly" their app? Talkback, where you can't properly even use a "Braille Screen Input Keyboard" unless ya turn it off of course, unlike with Commentary where ya can actually use an app such as "Pluto TV" while the video is going on in the background.FYI: In one of the latest Comentary betas, ya can now use "any" engine on your phone as the "secondary" voice, same with the "main" voice. Need I mention, Commentary works better with "Dice World" and doesn't "interrupt" who you are playing against? (Yes guys, that's a "Google Framework" issue, having only one TTS available at a time.)3. App StoresI'm glad that the Yalp Store is around, for those people who wish to browse the Play Store and don't wish to have a "Google Account." But what if ya like using "another" app store, such as Up To Down or Aptoide Can ya convince devs to bring their app to one of those?So, that's all I wanted to share and say. If it means something to you, feel free to respond. If not, respond anyway! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/436651/#p436651 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android?
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @Synthlonetica Productions:1. Brailleback beta has braille support slowly but surely improving, with grade 2 support being implemented (finally). Works pretty well with my Braillenote Touch (posing a s a Brailliant when in braille terminal mode).2. Google Pixel I know has this, but fingerprint sensor gestures mitigate the need for quite a few things that would normally require context menus or a visit to Talkback settings. Up and down swipe on the fingerprint sensor changes the behavior of up and down screen swipes for the following categories: navigation, verbosity, audioducking and speech rate). When in navigation mode, swiping up and down changes your granularity, and right and left moves by the chosen granularity. It's almost like the roter in that sense. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435410/#p435410 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android?
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? The issue is one of software patents. The reason braille support on something like the Touch is so good is because the braille manager is custom, probably licensed from Duxbury. You know, the company that still charges $600 for a braille translation software, never mind the fact Aph's is trying to make more of that free (refer to Braille Blaster for an example). Duxbury has held the license over braille translation technology for who knows how long, and while this doesn't apply to every software patent, when there's next to no competition, usually the open source attempts are inferior at best just because there's nothing else available. It's the same way with OCR (minus the OCR getting into Google and Microsoft products), the two patented OCR's, at least the major ones, are Kurzweil and Fine-reader, and I guess you can count Omney Page as well. Fighting software patents almost never ends well for open source developers, with obvious exceptions. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435408/#p435408 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android?
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? no one appears to have used brailleBack, much less the beta that came out, I reckonI use my orbit reader with it and works fine. Yes, its an additional service to install but braille displays are not really that cheap. Actually now that I remember correctly, android accessibility suite is actually a one stop for everything, including brailleBack so installing just one thing would get you talkback plus all of the other stuff.I can type on the display fine, no problem, using whatever braille table I want to use. Same goes for output. No custom table support yet, but they are actually based off liblouis. Though I would be interested in what problems people are having with braille, how is it so poor and so on.I can even control aspects from the phone with the display as well, so I am either really having a difficult time understanding something, or really lucky...Regarding disabling sounds and so on when using Braille, I would agree that it would be a nice toggle. But then again I have never tried suspending talkback and using the display alone, that might.. just work. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435391/#p435391 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android?
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? no one appears to have used brailleBack, much less the beta that came out, I reckonI use my orbit reader with it and works fine. Yes, its an additional service to install but braille displays are not really that cheap. Actually now that I remember correctly, android accessibility suite is actually a one stop for everything, including brailleBack so installing just one thing would get you talkback plus all of the other stuff.I can type on the display fine, no problem, using whatever braille table I want to use. Same goes for output. No custom table support yet, but they are actually based off liblouis. Though I would be interested in what problems people are having with braille, how is it so poor and so on.I can even control aspects from the phone with the display as well, so I am either really having a difficult time understanding something, or really lucky...Regarding disabling sounds and so on when using Braille, I would agree that it would be a nice toggle to have as currently there is no way to use just brailleBack by itself. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435391/#p435391 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android?
2019-05-21
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @113 Yeah, Braille support in TalkBack can be an issue, and @111, Thanks for that advice.While I don't know what Braille devices are supported by TalkBack, If someone says Braille support is lacking in something as simple as a screen reader, I'll have to take them at their word.Sometimes the "multi-motion in one motion" gestures as I'm calling can get to me a little annoying though (e.g. having to do a left then right swipe in a single motion to scroll through a list; or having to perform a l-like swipe either down then right or up then left to open the two context menus). URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435386/#p435386 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? The pixel2 gave you more bang for you buck at $650, and even as a person who prefers Google-branded devices I am not taking the Pixel 3 upgrade, because I don't feel like plunking down an extra $200 for wireless charging, simply because wireless charging just isn't there with power delivery and will never be. But the thing with that is that performance on the pixel 3 is only a smaller difference, i.e not earthshattering if you don't have the snapdragon845 vs the 835 as long as you're not doing high-performance vr games, and even then you're fine. What's more, the pixel 3 is not rammed down your throat like a new iPhone or even Galaxy would be. For new Android users, the Pixel 3 went on fairly regular steep discounts, but now with the Pixel3a it's a good bargain.@Synthlonetica Productions: I can't speak for the shittiness or even quality of Alkatel phones as far as accessibility, but generally speaking, a not-very-talked-about brand is probably a bad phone all around. Even an LG would've been *marginally* better. That being said, the only good judgement of Android you can make is that of pure AOSP, not some custom skinned version. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435384/#p435384 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @113, I doubt implementing braille translation tables between computer character codes and braille dots and vice-versa is easy by any stretch, so I can understand why Google hasn't -- they may not know how. Or they just don't want to use liblouis. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435382/#p435382 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android?
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I like Android quite a lot. I've never had a problem with TalkBack personally. The web issues were fixed years ago and it works well for the most part. The only issue I have is the poor Braille support. There's no excuse for it. Braille should be built into TalkBack, and you should be able to disable speech and sounds when you want to use it.I'm going to agree with Jack when it comes to Google branded phones. I think purchasing them takes a lot of the frustration out of Android. Samsung irritates me with their high prices, bloatware, and customized screen reader. Yes, it might be better, but Samsung has historically been very bad about failing to provide updates and abandoning their devices. You can't find the Voice Assistant screen reader anywhere, so you lose it if you want to upgrade to a newer version of Android via a ROM.Yes, the Google Pixel devices are almost as absurdly expensive as iPhones and Samsung phones, but Google now has their cheaper $400 Pixel 3a. I can understand that price a little more than I can $700 for a Samsung, regular Pixel, or even the absurd $1000 for current iPhones. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435378/#p435378 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android?
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I like Android quite a lot. I've never had a problem with TalkBack personally. The web issues were fixed years ago and it works well for the most part. The only issue I have is the poor Braille support. There's no excuse for it. Braille should be built into TalkBack, and you should be able to disable speech and sounds when you want to use it.I'm going to agree with Jack when it comes to Google branded phones. I think purchasing them takes a lot of the frustration out of Android. Samsung irritates me with their high prices, bloatware, and customized screen reader. Yes, it might be better, but Samsung has historically been very bad about abandoning their devices. You can't find the VOice Assistant screen reader anywhere, so you lose it if you want to upgrade to a newer version of Android via a ROM.Yes, the Google Pixel devices are almost as absurdly expensive as iPhone and Samsung phones, but Google now has their cheaper $400 PIxel 3a. I can understand that price a little more than I can $700 for a Samsung, regular Pixel, or even the absurd $1000 for current iPhones. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435378/#p435378 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @111, dude, get used to people doing that. People will judge you on this thing called a 'first impression'. And they won't ever forget that judgement. It'll always be there, niggling at the back of your mind. You can improve that judgement, but people will always judge you; there is absolutely nothing you can do about that. People judging other people has been going on since the beginning of time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435377/#p435377 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android?
2019-05-21
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @109 Okay, While you might be right about the whole raging about stuff that is out of date thing and doing my homework about the latest stuff, the reason I say I'm not "Apple biased" or "Android biased" is because I don't want people thinking that I'm a fan of one O S or the other.And yes, while I know that that might seem immature, caring what other people think about me, I just don't want people to be quick to judge me, which some people (my parents included) are all too happy to do. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435375/#p435375 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android?
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? a slight correctionSynthlonetica Productions wrote:@nidza07 I will also never forget the first time I used an iPhone (yes, it was my mother's iPhone 4, but it still counts).oh, Apple bias! alert, alertYes, I may be letting the opinions of people I've been talking to on Skype color my judgement, but I have no doubt that these people on Skype speak from experience.it should have been, speak from (having a terribly bad) experience.what was it about bias again... when your judgement might, just have been colored?I had posted some interesting articles on the matter, and here is another one about how awful android could be and how dicky apple has become. Those are people who are experts in their field and who can speak articulately well and more objectively about what their experiences are. Fun fact: they actually attend the big events those companies have, year after year. I am more inclined to believe them and make decisions for myself and then bring something new to the more productive, insightful discussion we were having a few posts back URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435372/#p435372 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android?
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? a slight correctionSynthlonetica Productions wrote:@nidza07 I will also never forget the first time I used an iPhone (yes, it was my mother's iPhone 4, but it still counts).oh, Apple bias! alert, alertYes, I may be letting the opinions of people I've been talking to on Skype color my judgement, but I have no doubt that these people on Skype speak from experience.it should have been, speak from (having a terribly bad) experience.what was it about bias again... when your judgement might, just have been colored?I had posted some interesting articles on the matter, and here is another one about how awful android could be and how dicky apple has become. Those are people who are experts in their field and who can speak articulately well and more objectively about what their experiences are. Fun fact: they actually attend the big events those companies have, year after year. I am more inclined to believe them and make decisions for myself and then bring something new to the more productive, insightful discussion we were having a few posts back URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435372/#p435372 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android?
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? a slight correctionSynthlonetica Productions wrote:@nidza07 I will also never forget the first time I used an iPhone (yes, it was my mother's iPhone 4, but it still counts).oh, Apple bias! alert, alertYes, I may be letting the opinions of people I've been talking to on Skype color my judgement, but I have no doubt that these people on Skype speak from experience.it should have been, speak from (having a terribly bad) experience.what was it about bias again... when your judgement might, just have been colored?I had posted some interesting articles on the matter, and here is another one about how awful android could be and how dicky apple has become. Those are people who are experts in their field and who can speak articulately well and more objectively about what their experiences are. Fun fact: they actually attend the big events those companies have, year after year. I am more inclined to believe them and make decisions for myself and then bring something new to the more productive, insightful discussion we were having a few posts back URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435372/#p435372 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @108, your not "Apple Biased" or "Android Biased" by any means? Your prior posts completely negate that claim, you know. Post 97 practically yelled for all the world to here "I hate Android! Fuck Android!" And, OK, your using an older phone. You still should've, you know... done your homework about the latest stuff instead of raging about things that are out of date. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435370/#p435370 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @108, your not "Apple Biased" or "Android Biased" by any means? Your prior posts completely egate that claim, you know. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435370/#p435370 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android?
2019-05-21
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @107 Okay, first of all, I am using a Alcatel smartphone that my dad used to use but he got fed up with it and gave it to me, so I am currently using a fucking hand-me-down device.While I do think that Android must have made important accessibility fixes, I'm still open to iOS.And another thing, while I do think that it's great that Android gives it users the level of customizability that it does, when it gets to the point that (if you know the right preferences; you can make the OS more tedious and annoying to use) I think that's when you have to realize that that's the point when Google added a little bit too much customizability.This doesn't mean I'm Apple biased or Android biased by any means. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435367/#p435367 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @106, I... disagree. Entirely. I really, really do not think those people were 'talking from up-to-date experience'. The only thing post 97 did was make you look like an idiot. The only thing I saw out of 97 were the words "rage rage rage". If your experiences had been modern and up to date with the latest Android trends, it wouldn't have ended up so bad for you. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435360/#p435360 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2019-05-21
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @nidza07 I will also never forget the first time I used an iPhone (yes, it was my mother's iPhone 4, but it still counts).Yes, I may be letting the opinions of people I've been talking to on Skype color my judgement, but I have no doubt that these people on Skype speak from experience. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435346/#p435346 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I will always remember how amazing and stable experience I had when I was on iOS 8. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435335/#p435335 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @97, just Rofl. That has to be the funniest BS I've ever read! You do know that Android owns 74.85 percent of the mobile OS market share worldwide as of April of this year, followed by Apple at an insignificant 22.94 percent? OMG that made my day. Keep up the A -- I mean entertainment, not the A part. Woops! Its just the entertainment! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435310/#p435310 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Synthlonetica Productions wrote:To be quite honest, I hate to even entertain the idea of even calling Android a stable O S.well this was for sure, very entertaining and made my dayAndroid is nowhere near stable, and it's very clear that the company behind it (namely Google) couldn't give less of a fuck about what baby customers want.neither does or did nintendo, or sony with their flunking xperias, or nowadays huawey or however you spell hat with its superb security expertise and so on and so on, so, moot point!While yes, I do agree that VoiceOver not having a tutorial like TalkBack does certainly puts it at a disadvantage, I am in no way saying that that is to it's detrement.A bit contradictory there , which serves as a detriment to your postAt least Apple has been consistent with updates and bug fixes (whereas I'm pretty sure that Google; or Microsoft; are just having a jolly good time screwing over their customers and stroking their thick throbbing cocks with all of the money their insignificant baby customers are feeding them)disgusting and sexually explicit remarks aside which made my day, I still have no idea why you had pointed out that you were legally blind in all of this. One thing I could definitely yell at google for not doing is improving their accessibility of their other stuff, like the whole google cloud architecture, including docs and drive. Its usable at best. But Apple has not been doing very well in their personal computing side of things either. SO, another moot point.and if I did ever use Android again, it would only be as a tablet.I am really excited to start using an iPhone again, if you can't already tell.thanks for this, it was actually the hardest part of the post to even try to infer, so it was very kind of you to point it out, despite not understanding even why would you want to use a tablet, and worse, one with android in the first place. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435284/#p435284 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @97 now that, is some fanboyistic bullshit right there. While I've seen Android get unstable, I could always attribute it to something. Like, I'd just got done fucking with shit, and now all the sudden its bootlooping or softbooting at weird intervals, OK my fault. Or, everything dies all at once, OK, old device, probably time for a new one. Yes, I'd say in general, apps tend to crash a bit more than they would on iOS, but it isn't that much more as to be note worthy. I do prefer my iPhone for just being able to pick it up and immediately get into what I wanted to. This thing about baby customers makes no sense and just seems to be coming from some point of contention between you and Google or whatever. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435256/#p435256 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Gotta disagree with the part about Google devices providing the best experience, and because one, that is objective and two, pretty sure my galaxy s10 is just as snappy as a pixal, though having said that I haven't actually tried a google branded phone. Just no money to afford one right now.. but I'm pretty sure that other companies such as one plus, Nokia, and Moto ofer comparable experiences if you go with a decent model from their lines. But again, that comes back to the stock versus skin debate which is, again, completely subjective... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435248/#p435248 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Whoa, @Synthlonetica Productions, tone it down a little there.If Android has baby customers then why is it the mobile system that is most open to developers? And what device were you even using? If you're going to criticize android, you really should do us all a favor and tell us which device (s) you used. Android on my pixel2, for example, is a very stable operating system, yet if you grabbed an HTC, or a 5 year old pre-owned device from the flee-market, then it's no wonder you're having a bad experience. Also, Voiceover may be consistent for you IOS people, which is all well and good, but for the mac I'd say it's consistently stagnating. Seriously, what do we not have?1. No built-in OCR. Need I say more? We're stuck with bloody Tesseract, and having to pay $35 for keyboard maestro to use it no less!2. Electron support. Seriously. Skype 8 is a hit or miss with Voiceover and there'll be times when i can't even see the webview without restarting voiceover several times.3. scriptability. Voiceover being the only option in OSX yet having no scripting support has always been a turnoff for me, but now the worst of that problem is coming to light.For the record, I'm running High Sierra, but the Mojave beta (hated it) doesn't have any substantial voiceover improvements, so when I replaced the hard drive in my mac I was able to reinstall/downgrade.Back to Android. Freedom of choice is great, but you really need to get Google-branded devices if you want the best experience. Which i don't have a problem with, as their hardware is well thought out and long-lasting. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435243/#p435243 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Hello. Youtube links will be posted. Turns out I should have the phone today (Tuesday the 21( Hoping to have videos up by next week. I need the rest of this week to re-familiarize myself with android and learn the phone a bit before I feel comfortable getting on videos to talk about it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435191/#p435191 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Lol. Unstable OS? That is the funniest thing I've heard in a long time! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435157/#p435157 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Not necessarily. Samsung's sell for a lot, at least in Canada and the US. And frankly, I don't think anyone who gets Samsung wants a slice of that particular cake. You'll find most people who are advanced users won't go to Samsung for those particular reasons, at least not the smart ones who know about the two problems you mentioned and actally care. My galaxy s8 got me 400 bucks off when I traded it in two years after I bought it, which isn't half bad at all going towards an upgrade. But now that we're on the subject, other than installing whatever android skin you like, what use, really, is there in rooting in 2019? I've seen so many top 10's for rooting and for your average joe, most of the things like having system access and controlling the kernel isn't anything that they would care about. And even many of the customizations are available now without rooting the device. I'm honestly curious, maybe because I haven't experienced a rooted device yet... if I did, perhaps it would change my view. Who knows... right now I don't even have a rootable phone, so would be fun to play with one... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435126/#p435126 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android?
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Not necessarily. Samsung's sell for a lot, at least in Canada and the US. And frankly, I don't think anyone who gets Samsung wants a slice of that particular cake. You'll find most people who are advanced users won't go to Samsung for those particular reasons, at least not the smart ones who know about the two problems you mentioned and actally care. My galaxy s8 got me 400 bucks off when I traded it in two years after I bought it, which isn't half bad at all going towards an upgrade. But now that we're on the subject, other than installing whatever android skin you like, what use, realy, is there in rooting in 2019? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435126/#p435126 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @AssaultFreak: Of course, you bring up a good point when mentioning it's all about choice. But that's been one of Android's strongsuits for the longest time. Problem with Samsung and choice is you can't have your cake and eat it too, i.e if you love your Samsung device but are fed up with no getting the latest updates or not being able too root, your once good phone has significantly dropped in market value more than it otherwise would have should you choose to sell it and use the money towards an upgrade. Course, that's why multiple different devices exist.As for Android Q accessibility, I'm not seeing any major talkback changes yet, but I'm also running beta 2 so who knows what's in store. As for Lookout, that's not a Pixel exclusive. It'll be making its way onto Samsung and LG devices apparently. I'd imagine it should be available outside the states sooner or later. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435125/#p435125 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @AssaultFreak: Of course, you bring up a good point when mentioning it's all about choice. But that's been one of Android's strongsuits for the longest time. Problem with Samsung and choice is you can't have your cake and eat it too, i.e if you love your Samsung device but are fed up with no getting the latest updates or not being able too root, your once good phone has significantly dropped in market value more than it otherwise would have should you choose to sell it and use the money towards an upgrade. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435125/#p435125 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @88 Your practical post says just about all I meant to say in my rambling one, thanks so much! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435108/#p435108 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @austingrace can you post the youtube link here when you start? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435060/#p435060 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I also find it funny that many of the people complaining about slow updates or a complete lack of it are talking about it from devices at least 3 or 4 years behind. No, not every company will continue to maintain their devices for a long time... that's part of what it means to be a tech giant in 2019. lol And when you're a company like Samsung, you can afford to ditch old hardware as the new one comes out because of differing hardware changes and the fact that loyalists will buy whatever they produce. Again, I'm no fanboy, just speaking objectively... and because right now, for my needs, Samsung does the job best. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435056/#p435056 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? well said, assault_freakI also had a surprisingly fast update to android pie. That from the older marsmallow android 6.0 which never got updated (thanks blackberry and empty promises) I was using changed things a lot in terms of accessibility but nowadays its so hard to know from people what they exactly are wanting from a phone and what defines accessibility. Right now I just changed the launcher in my phone because I was really accustomed to the blackberry one, which tells you where exactly you can release an icon that you drag to either uninstall the app directly or remove it from your favorite shortcuts... creating and switching screens or tabs for additional apps and so on as well as folders to bundle many apps into a single category is very intuitive in that one. Its just about the only hugely difficult, laborious 10 hour long and nerdy tweak I have done to the entire system, since February.Sarcasm aside regarding this tweak, I have discovered other things that serve me well. Tasker has a profile that switches my wireless connection off when its been disconnected from any network for more than a minute, or whatever time I want to tell it to do so so my battery does not drain. There are other already made useful profiles that are very easy to download and use from their wiki too, so tweaking that will take you at most, as computer or tech limited as you might consider yourself, 10 difficult minutes out of your very precious, hectic and busy life.Lets see, what other interesting stuff i have managed to do without even rooting or frying the thing and without spending an entire weekend setting up.. that Ios might simply not have:The launcher has a whatsapp widget which you can insert into a new page, and is a list that you can scroll using talkback no problem whatsoever, and it will show the messages that you have received. Double tapping on any of these will put you straight on the chat you wish to reply. SO be diplomatic and never leave someone with the double check, and answer at your own convenience. Takes about 2 minutes to figure out and set up.On that end of ignoring someone but not wanting to reveal that, thanks to total commander, I have set up a shortcut directly to the whatsapp voice notes folder, ordered by last modified. This means that if someone sends me an audio that I want to hear but want to reply to it later, I can go into that folder and hear the audio file without ever opening the whatsapp conversation and go totally unnoticed.I had previously mentioned you can buy a bunch of sticky nfc tags, paste them anywhere, then use your phone to record small voice clips describing what you pasted those things on (like red t-shirt, rewind button ETC) and then whenever you scan them they will be played back. No additional app or tedious setup other than recording your own voice is necessary for this. IN the mean time, others will have to wait for apple to start opening up the nfc chips for other use cases .. which do not involve a keynote entrance or an apple pay bank.and so on. Those are convenience things, never tweaks to have functional basic things working like answering calls or the like.Fun fact: I am living outside the U.s., and updates are coming in constantly (about two months each at most) and regularly. You'd think those people affiliated into a carrier plan in the U.s. would get them fast or those using pure stock android...Fun fact 2: My sighted brother had used an IPhone and ditched it for a Samsung. What really irks me about android is that phones are becoming obsolete fastter than what I have liked them to do so, but then Apple has not been playing nice with this either and that goes for every one of their products.Samsung might be too proprietary and all, but for now I have not had any problems. yes, blind friends with IPhone can use just a few other apps I cannot, but those are easily replaced and are actually not a major inconvenience (sighted friends are just nice to have in every situation anyway) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435047/#p435047 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2019-05-20
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? it is not for all samsung only s6 and s plus or something. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435035/#p435035 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I don't think any samsung users, myself included, are saying that it's a one sie fits ll situation. Samsung is not the only OEM who gives slow updates or has devices that don't allow for the latest versions of Android to run on them. And Pie and Qs accessibility fixes have not been all that grand. Or at least, not from everyone I've heard running it on their stock devices.. I am running Samsung's version of Pie and while there have been fixes, they aren't ground-beaking. Most of the stuff fixed by google was never an issue in Samsung's Android skin. I simply don't understand why people choose to bash Samsung when Android is all about choice and what you want for yourself. I don't think anyone is forcing Samsung down anyone's throats the way Apple users tend to do with IOS... those of us who use it simply like what we get. Buton mapper has done wonders with my bixbybutton, and the fact that I get diferent music according to the weather report along with Bixby reading said report is a nice extra. Not to mention the ability to answer and end calls with my power and volume buttons. Did I mention smart alerts where the phone vibrates if you pick it up to notify you of missed calls and unread texts? Samsung definitely isn't for everyone... especially the phone nerds who like to tear their OS apart and add things to their own liking. While I'm a phone nerd, I'm not quite there yet... and Samsung has everything I want while still giving me plenty of room to customize my experience. Not to mention, with 128 GB of base memory, the default apps are no longer a memory hog the way people complain about just as the article posted above from ultra leet J says. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435032/#p435032 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Ehh, from everything I've read since my last post it seems to me that the playing field is still pretty much the same. Accessibility is such a relative term that means a ton of stuff to different people, so for the time being, I'll stick to iOS. Call me lazy; you would probably be right on that front. I refuse to be seen as some stupid lousy ignoramus, however, just because I'm not willing to brush up on the technological side to be on par with Android wizzes, and if that really is how the community of the average Android user would look at me, I'd say I'd be less willing to make any switches in the forseeable future.Honestly, this was a lot of the beaf I had with iOS users back in 2009-2010, acting as if touchscreens had no learning curb and blindy blinktarded whatevers just had to deal with it and get on the boat yesterday. It seems that the shift now, at least to some degree, is this position that if you aren't willing to find fancy ways to use a device your oppinion is not worth considering.For the record, I'm not saying iOS doesn't have its eccentric elitist camp; I'm pointing to those of you who bash Android just because it isn't Apple, those who throw around that wonderful little punchline of "it just works" and think it sounds cute and catchy, those who seem to think that Apple can do no wrong on the accessibility front and so on. The coolest innovation I've seen recently, and I"d say it's really not all that recent, is 3d touch. That we can use it has more to do with Apple being master of its environment rather than because screen reading developers invented something super cool.What does screen reader innovation actually look like? I'm sure people will all have their own personal opinions, but if you want to consider just one, I suggest looking at what both GWMicro and FreedomScientific were doing between the years 2000 and 2010, because I strongly feel that much of what happened during that time is taken for granted now. As it became obvious that the internet was the new road to communication and information much time was spent on how we should navigate webpages and other web documents and applications. To my knowledge, most of the what's new stuff today seems to revolve around fixing things that have already been there for awhile which may or may not need improvement. JFW 2019 improved on notifications in spelling errors in word, the ability to mimic the way VO speaks characters phonetically after a brief pause rather than having to go find out for yourself, a one stop link that'll hold your hand so you don't have to figure out what system you're running and what version of JAWS you need for it, audioducking for windows 10, the tab key no longer echoing, an announcement for multi line edit fields, and improvements to grade 1 braille support for other languages. NVDA is of course, still playing catch up on everything JFW pioneered, coming in with chart interaction support in MS word and powerpoint, adding new languages and more braille display support.I hardly feel that qualifies as innovating or even exciting on either front, and the only reason I can give NVDA something of a pass on this is that, as I said above, JFW has had roughly 3 decades to NVDA's 13 years of development. If there's any takeaway from post 69, I would say it's that it showcases where we are right now in terms of equallity. In short, while accessibility may mean something different to all of us based on our expertise, the amount of time we have on our hands and the level of patience and tenacity we're willing to invest into a system, the fact still stands that, between Android and iOS, blind users can, for the most part, still use iOS almost as quickly and efficiently as sighted users without having to resort to tons of tweaks. I can't pick up my mom's galaxy and start using it willy nilly; I can grab my sister's iPhone and do pretty much whatever I want with it. I'm willing to accept things can drastically change in a matter of minutes because tech is always evolving, but at present, I see no greater convenience for Android than I have for iOS. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435030/#p435030 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Ehh, from everything I've read since my last post it seems to me that the playing field is still pretty much the same. Accessibility is such a relative term that means a ton of stuff to different people, so for the time being, I'll stick to iOS. Call me lazy; you would probably be right on that front. I refuse to be seen as some stupid lousy ignoramus, however, just because I'm not willing to brush up on the technological side to be on par with Android wizzes, and if that really is how the community of the average Android user would look at me, I'd say I'd be less willing to make any switches in the forseeable future.Honestly, this was a lot of the beaf I had with iOS users back in 2009-2010, acting as if touchscreens had no learning curb and blindy blinktarded whatevers just had to deal with it and get on the boat yesterday. It seems that the shift now, at least to some degreee, is this position that if you aren't willing to find fancy ways to use a device your oppinion is not worth considering.For the record, I'm not saying iOS doesn't have its eccentric elitist camp; I'm pointing to those of you who bash Android just because it isn't Apple, those who say that wonderful little punchlin of "it just works" and think it sounds cute and catchy, those who seem to think that Apple can do no wrong on the accessibility front and so on. The coolest innovation I've seen recently, and I"d say it's really not all that recent, is 3d touch. That we can use it has more to do with Apple being master of its environment rather than because screen reading developers invented something super cool.What does screen reader innovation actually look like? I'm sure people will all have their own personal opinions, but if you want to consider just one, I suggest looking at what both GWMicro and FreedomScientific were doing between the years 2000 and 2010, because I strongly feel that much of what happened during that time is taken for granted now. As it became obvious that the internet was the new road to communication and information much time was spent on how we should navigate webpages and other web documents and applications. To my knowledge, most of the what's new stuff today seems to revolve around fixing things that have already been there for awhile which may or may not need improvement. JFW 2019 improved on notifications in spelling errors in word, the ability to mimic the way VO speaks characters phonetically after a brief pause rather than having to go find out for yourself, a one stop link that'll hold your hand so you don't have to figure out what system you're running and what version of JAWS you need for it, audioducking for windows 10, the tab key no longer echoing, an announcement for multi line edit fields, and improvements to grade 1 braille support for other languages. NVDA is of course, still playing catch up on everything JFW pioneered, coming in with chart interaction support in MS word and powerpoint, adding new languages and more braille display support.I hardly feel that qualifies as innovating or even exciting on either front, and the only reason I can give NVDA something of a pass on this is that, as I said above, JFW has had roughly 3 decades to NVDA's 13 years of development. If there's any takeaway from post 69, I would say it's that it showcases where we are right now in terms of equallity. In short, while accessibility may mean something different to all of us based on our expertise, the amount of time we have on our hands and the level of patience and tenacity we're willing to invest into a system, the fact still stands that, between Android and iOS, blind users can, for the most part, still use iOS almost as quickly and efficiently as sighted users without having to resort to tons of tweaks. I can't pick up my mom's galaxy and start using it willy nilly; I can grab my sister's iPhone and do pretty much whatever I want with it. I'm willing to accept things can drastically change in a matter of minutes because tech is always evolving, but at present, I see no greater convenience for Android than I have for iOS. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435030/#p435030 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? And this is exactly the problem that keeps many blind folks away from Android. Samsung is not a one-size-fits-all, and the latest versions of Android have very important accessibility fixes. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/435022/#p435022 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android?
2019-05-20
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : giorgi elbaqidze via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? damn can not install android 9.0 ofitially in samsung galaxy s6 edge, and i need root for it but no thanks. Will use 7.0 URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434993/#p434993 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Some of you may find this interesting to read. Well guys, for the goodness of everyone, I have bought a pixel 3A XL and will be sharing my experience on youtube. Can it replace my iPhone 8 plus? I can't answer that question. Now before the android or iPhone bashers come out, I have used iphones and androids since 2010. 2010 was my first iPhone 4. 2013 was my first time with android with an LG mach and a galaxy s4. After that, it was a nexus 5 in 2014, then a pixel 6p in 2016 then a galaxy s8 last year and now a pixel 3a. I have used iPhone as daily driver since 2010 and I'm so sick of how restrictive it is. I heard that a lot of google's accessibility has come a long way in 9.0 so I want to see what's up for myself. Plus I wanted an android device to mess with but not an S9 or S10 quality. so I held out and the pixel 3a XL sounds like such an amazing phone for the money. Keep in mind, I do not play games on the phone so I prob won't tax it much. But the journey starts whenever the phone gets dropped off. But I will still have my 8 plus and I will be Thoroughly beta testing ios 13. Really hoping to help make google make progress in braille support. I personally will not buy another Samsung device because their updates. I prefer to have the latest version of an OS and I don't want the phone company (carrier( or the OEM who makes my phone telling me when I can get my updates. I know the 3A XL is not the most powerful phone but I really think I will end up liking it a lot. I honestly loved my S8 until I saw how slow samsung's updates were. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434989/#p434989 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Some of you may find this interesting to read. Well guys, for the goodness of everyone, I have bought a pixel 3A XL and will be sharing my experience on youtube. Can it replace my iPhone 8 plus? I can't answer that question. Now before the android or iPhone bashers come out, I have used iphones and androids since 2010. 2010 was my first iPhone 4. 2013 was my first time with android with an LG mach and a galaxy s4. After that, it was a nexus 5 in 2014, then a pixel 6p in 2016 then a galaxy s8 last year and now a pixel 3a. I have used iPhone as daily driver since 2010 and I'm so sick of how restrictive it is. I heard that a lot of google's accessibility has come a long way in 9.0 so I want to see what's up for myself. Plus I wanted an android device to mess with but not an S9 or S10 quality. so I held out and the pixel 3a XL sounds like such an amazing phone for the money. Keep in mind, I do not play games on the phone so I prob won't tax it much. But the journey starts whenever the phone gets dropped off. But I will still have my 8 plus and I will be Thoroughly beta testing ios 13. Really hoping to help make google make progress in braille support. I personally will not buy another Samsung device because their updates. I prefer to have the latest version of an OS and I don't want the phone company (carrier( or the OEM who makes my phone telling me when I can get my updates. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434989/#p434989 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Josh wrote:If that's the case then wow, talk about a dick move... ... since the option to root is a requirement for me.I see rooting as being less and less necessary nowadays. Especially because of this eye brow raising perspective with which I happen to agree.I actually went out there and searched many of the great, astounding, incredible use cases for rooting in 2019 and nothing really surprised me, and I remember using a rooted device for two years in 2013. SO that's that, advancements in everything I guess. And no, most phones will not brick on purpose simply because you will root them. Its just a way to make sure your warranty is truly void if that chip gets blown, nothing else, and Samsung is apparently not the only one doing this URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434871/#p434871 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Having companies dictate what we can do with the devices we pay for just rubs me the wrong way. If the accessibility of Android was on par with iOS, I would have probably switched a long time ago since I'm not a fan of Apple's walled garden approach. It sounds as if accessibility is becoming less and less of an issue, so I may switch in the future. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434869/#p434869 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? No fear there.. plenty of options to choose from! Multifinger gestures and a magic tap were both big things for me which is why I went with samsung. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434868/#p434868 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? If that's the case then wow, talk about a dick move. I've given some thought to possibly switching from iOS when the time comes to upgrade my phone. If the rumors end up being true, I sure as hell won't be going with Samsung since the option to root is a requirement for me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434867/#p434867 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @78, not sure when, but the roomer I've heard is that when you try and root a Samsung device, it blows some kind of eFuse(I don't know how...) and bricks your device. I don't know how it does it but it does it. Supposedly. Oh, and its not "impossible to root," it just doesn't work with known rooting technology. There are still bugs, though, that could make it possible. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434864/#p434864 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @78, not sure when, but the roomer I've heard is that when you try and root a Samsung device, it blows some kind of eFuse(I don't know how...) and bricks your device. I don't know how it does it but it does it. Supposedly. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434864/#p434864 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @74, I'm impatiently waiting for Lookout to come to Canada. And @76, Samsung is almost an equivalent, but they are not... because you still aren't locked into one ecosystem. But when you're a tech giant, competition is all you see... but having said that, I am probably one of the few people who will say that between the version of stock android I experienced on a moto g5 and 1UI on my galaxy s10, there's no contest. And the big winner for me? Yes, shameless... multifinger gestures. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434850/#p434850 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Samsung devices are impossible to root? Since when and why? This makes my likelyhood of buying a Samsung device go down to 0%. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434841/#p434841 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Everyone keeps saying apple patented the idea of multitouch gestures. Samsung also has this.. so Apple can't have exclusive rights to it unless Samsung bought the permission from them... Talkback's refusal to implement multifinger gestures doesn't make any sense to me because Samsung proves it can be done. And for people saying Android's accessibility API doesn't allow for them... Google owns both pieces of software. Can't tell me there's no way for them to come together. lol URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434840/#p434840 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Samsung has proprietary stuff left and right, they're almost as bad as Apple in that regard. They're the company that tried to call a bs patent infringement on Apple (before they even had an accessibility solution) that would essentially force Apple to scrap Voiceover. It's no wonder they're the ones that are so cut-throat with Apple while everyone else is fine with healthy competition that ends up producing more well thought out hardware. And that mentioned API for multitouch gestures will never be exposed as Samsung devices are now physically impossible to root. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434820/#p434820 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Hi. Regarding multy touch gestures, at present, it is simply impossible for commentary to do it. Before you say but voice assistant does it, don't forget that Samsung does not only make voice assistant, but an entirely customized version of Android, thus their screen reader works only on their devices. Even then, it's not an open API or something other developers can use, they just built it for their own screen reader. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434788/#p434788 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? 1. Budget Pixel3A: Do you mean $670 in Canadian? It's $400 over here.The difference is likely in system specs, inability to receive updates when everyone else does (unless Nokia is faster with updates) not as much of a chance of the fingerprint sensor supporting talkback gestures, and no Google Lookout.That's not to say Lookout is still a Pixel-exclusive, because it did just make its way onto some more non-Google devices just recently, and they are continuing to expand. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434781/#p434781 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? 1. Budget Pixel3A: Do you mean $670 in Canadian? It's $400 over here.The difference is likely in system specs, inability to receive updates when everyone else does (unless Nokia is faster with updates) not as much of a chance of the fingerprint sensor supporting talkback gestures, and no Google Lookout. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434781/#p434781 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? 1. Budget Pixel3A: Do you mean $670 in Canadian? It's $400 over here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434781/#p434781 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Jack you keep suggesting the Pixel, and it does seem great, but even the mid range one is 670 bucks. Is there really that much of a difference between that one and say, the Nokia 7.1? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434776/#p434776 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @Jack thanks that's gonna be a tough learning curve for me but I think I'll still try it. I'm getting tired of Apple and I think I'd get more out of my Google Home with Droid. Is there any site for Android that suggests accessable apps akin to Applevis? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434768/#p434768 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @Jack h that's gonna be a tough learning curve for me but I think I'll still try it. I'm getting tired of Apple and I think I'd get more out of my Google Home with Droid. Thanks URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434768/#p434768 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @Jeffb:Android does only use one or two finger gestures. Which does mean less gestures to remember/use. That being said there's no magic-tap equivalent to stop and start music playback, but there's Button Mapper for that.@Devin: That's only because, if I'm correct here, Apple patented the advanced multitouch gesture support that Voiceover takes advantage of.Also, you're forgetting that Android makes for a pretty good desktop OS on the Pixelbook, and Chrome OS and Android is actually a pretty good blend, and with Chromevox included in the linux support, the Pixelbook makes for a great 4in1.Regarding Amazing MP# Recorder, that app was a scam waiting to happen, so good riddance. High-Q Mp3 Recorder, while it is a paid app, has a trial with all codecs available (wave, mp3, even flac) where the only restriction is a 10 minute limit on recordings. I bought it and it's been the only recording app I've ever used for years now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434766/#p434766 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I'm really considering getting the Google Pixel 4 when it comes out. I've been interested in switching to Droid for a while now and have a few questions. I listened to Nick Adamson's Blindly Switching podcast and it sounds like you have to do all the jesters with just 1 finger. Is this true? Is there any way to change them to using 2 or more similar to IOS? The thought of having to draw everything with 1 finger is kind of a put off to me. Also is there a gesture to stop and play audio like the 2 finger double tap in IOS? That's all I have for now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434755/#p434755 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I'm really considering getting the Google Pixel 4 when it comes out. I've been interested in switching to Droid for a while now and have a few questions. I listened to Nick Aamson's Blindly Switching podcast and it sounds like you have to do all the jesters with just 1 finger. Is this true? Is there any way to change them to using 2 or more similar to IOS? The thought of having to draw everything with 1 finger is kind of a putt off to me. Also is there a gesture to stop and play audio like the 2 finger double tap in IOS? That's all I have for now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434755/#p434755 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Okay, here are my thoughts on all this.Google has a culture based on creating new things. I've read in some places that Google employees get pats on the back and maybe even promotions based on working on new things. That's probably why a new messaging app comes out every few years, and they're even making a new operating system, fuchsia. This means that working on TalkBack, BrailleBack, and older accessibility functions of Android isn't profitable for the accessibility team, so what do they do? They work on some live captioning stuff for deaf people, which of course is great, but my gosh isn't it easier to give blind people access to the virtual world than to give deaf people access to the infinitely more variant real world? Don't misunderstand me, it's great that they're considering people with other disabilities, but they should consider us all equally, not just one at the expense of another. So that's one reason why I will not use Android, theirs is a culture of "new," not of making what is there even better. Also, their treatment of developers is awful, just ask stereomatch, the developer of Amazing MP3 Recorder. Google has begun banning not just the one developer for any infractions, but banning others by association. Also, in a later version of Android, Q probably, developers won't be able to access the whole file system of storage. What was that about Android being free as in freedom again? Google has been steadily limiting developers' power, because of course Google Drive is the answer to everything... right? right? Isn't it?Another thing, braille. Google obviously doesn't care that much about braille. Who even owns one of those braille adapter writer digital things anyway? Who would rather read with their fingers rather than listen to the sexy rigid tones of Google TTS stripped down to its 7 Megabyte nakedness? Oh and Eloquence, we have Eloquence on Android! *drool*. In all seriousness though, what happened to accessibility for everyone? Why is it that braille can't be a first-class citizen (this really applies to any operating system, as none of them do it exceptionally well) on Android? Why is it that one cannot turn off speech when using BrailleBack? Furthermore, why is it that BrailleBack isn't included in Android Accessibility Suite, and Select To Speak was? Why are the commands on a braille display so different than on any other system?Now, on to the third party offerings. Why can't Commentary use multi-finger gestures? Samsung's Voice Assistant can. I don't need hundreds of audio themes, I need a screen reader on which I can be productive in all that I do: reading email, browsing the web, reading books, writing and editing documents with only the touch screen (which I can do on the iPhone fairly well), and playing games. I feel like Commentary is trying to tackle so much, but is still based on the sorry excuse that is TalkBack.And Android users may say "Well, Android doesn't need to be a PC-like operating system." Why not? Modern smart phones *are* computers! Yes they use touch screens instead of mice and keyboards, but that's input. There is absolutely no reason why a "mobile" screen reader can't be as powerful, or even more so, than a "computer" screen reader. There is no reason why a "mobile" screen reader can't make one as efficient in productivity as a "computer" screen reader. That's another reason why I will not use Android, users don't use it to its potential, so developers feel that they can keep TalkBack as a toy screen reader. Even Victor Tsaran, developer of TalkBack, uses a Mac and iPhone, seemingly most of the time. Why? Probably because he can be productive on those platforms, and just answer calls on the Android, do texting on messages.android.com or whatever the site is where people can text using their Android phone, basically using the phone as just a conduit for his other devices, not as a device itself, and I'm willing to bet that that's what most blind people do; see Jack telnetting into his phone for texting. This isn't to say that this practice is inharrently bad, it can work out, but gosh its such a waste of a perfectly good opportunity to use a phone as sighted people do. Do you see sighted people having an actual need for a computer for most things? No. Why? Because they're perfectly productive on phones and iPads. They don't need to wear a keyboard to be quick typists, they don't need to do something as technical as telnet into their phone to type. They don't even need to download a third-party email program because Gmail just isn't all that great for us. Then again, many of them that I know use iPhones, but are happily productive with them, too.So, why iPhones? First, Apple has limited developers from the beginning, so most of them know what to expect. Actually, iOS has been opened up more and more over the years. Developers can create keyboard
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @nocturnus:Android accessibility is close in line with IOS, if you are using a less bloated system. In the mainstream world that usually means Google-Pixel devices.Apple Music: There's an app for that on the Play Store, and it's reasonably accessible.iTunes music: Android has no problem with m4a's, particularly when you're not confined to one media player (Winamp does exist on for Android, but is rather disappointingly inaccessible. Of course, Google Music also lets you import your library from iTunes into Google Music, uploading the songs to the cloud in the process.Audiobooks: That's the only thing standing in the way, i.e you will no doubt need a drm stripper to get rid of audiobook drm so you can listen to them on your Android. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434606/#p434606 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @ethin: I believe there is sourcecode available as well, so that's always a nice bonus. IN either case the Agenda app and Database app, which mimic the psion applications, are obviously lightweight and meant for productivity. So for once, a custom skin that isn't bloatware! The Android itself is aosp based, but with a windows CE-style system bar and task manager. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434479/#p434479 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @64Yeah. Not to bash voice dictation or anything, it's just ultimately not my thing. Those are good suggestions though, I'll have to check them out. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434274/#p434274 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? ross wrote:@47Not being able to text without using dictation or a keyboard is honestly a dealbreaker for me TBH. My job requires me to constantly be traveling and communicating with others.I think typing has been extensively discussedI have never typed in an iPhone, so have absolutely no idea what the process is like. But i doubt it is faster than voice dictation (which I have learned to use discreetly by the way)it is very accurate most of the time, responds well to background noise, you can use it with a close mic to you such as a headset one, and it is really up to you if you want to not give away context so you can keep your messages private. Of course, I never text on the phone for anything too serious anyway, and when something is really meant to be private I just use a headphone and the onScreen keyboard, its predictions are also very good and it does help when speeding up entry. The switch is really not bad, but for me it had a very strong psychological implication--in other words I simply dreaded not having a physical keyboard. But slowly and at last, mostly due to pressure from needing a replacement phone fast and not living in the U.s., I moved away from buying some of the few current phones with physical keyboards like the blackberry key2, which is meant for, and targets the productivity sector, so you might wish to dive into that. Samsung also sells some keyboard covers which you can make part of your phone so no need to carry around anything extra. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434254/#p434254 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @61, I may check the Cosmo Communicator out and see if I can back it. Hell, I might get the PDA that's available ATM and see how accessible their software is. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434221/#p434221 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Because it has a history of not being half accessible and jumping around the universe. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434199/#p434199 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @nocturnus: Completely agree that Android does require more customization. However, you bought an HTC, and HTC is probably one of the worst brands in the history of accessibility, because their interfaces are god-awful.@Ross: read about the cosmo communicatorThe Gemini PDA is immediately available and has a similarly impressive feature set without the fingerprint sensor and camera, but the Cosmo Communicator is the successor to that. Now this is a real productivity device, and glad to see the pda finally make a comeback. In the days of windows mobile and Symbian, mobile phone/smartphone meant productivity. Nowadays, smartphone=dicking around with a few productivity bits here and there. And all because of what was missing, the built-in keyboard. Of course, I have a wearable keyboard but not everyone wishes to use that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434155/#p434155 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I think people are sort of sneering at iOS users as if they are simply too stupid to figure out Android. This is an assumption, and when you apply it to a whole group of people, it becomes a stereotype. I've figured out Android. I've used ADB, fastboot, flashed ROMs, fucked up my device, unfucked it, installed a different kernel, used Xposed Framework to customize it, tried new ROMs, and so forth. I've been through the whole process, but I go back to my iPhone, why? Simply because I can do what I want faster, and more efficiently than I can on Android. The speech doesn't lag, it keeps up with everything I'm doing as I do it, etc. Now, if android people want to look at that and continue to sneer and jibe, well, nothing I can do about it, but I don't say the same to you all. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434127/#p434127 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Android accessibility, if in fact it is catching up, is doing so at a time when I'm getting too old for the ball park. When windows 98 came out, I experimented without restraint. When XP showed up, I did the same thing. When Vista was being pushed at us, I was there. When 7 entered the market, I was a little less eager but gave it a shot and was thankful to have been informed about Godmode.When people told me such and such was not really accessible on any of these platforms I gave it a shot anyway. When I discovered a bit of software required a ton of tweaking to be useful, I put in the effort-foobar and Miranda IM are the two notable programs that come to mind as being my favorites, which weren't exactly wonderful right out of the box. I didn't stick to conventional; I always leaped at the chance to try a little something else.So it would almost make sense based on all of the above if I were an Android fan, right? I like hacking the bits out of my system I don't like? Well, no... Not really. Fact is, it's my fault for having waited too long. Something happened between o3 and o6 that made me wait to jump in, which is that MS started promising a mobile system to rival everything we knew at the time, and Freedom Scientific, who had just released the pacmate and showed off how it could sync up with one's PC was promising they were going to stay on top of these developments. Because I was a college student at the time, this syncing stuff between computers and mobile devices was an absolutely thrilling and important factor for me. People kept talking about this and that mobile device with talking menus and caller ID's and such and such... I thought I was being wise in waiting for full windows integration across everything!In 2007, Apple took the market by storm with the release of the iPhone, the first mobile device who's interface was, with a few exceptions, touch screen based. Since then, touch screens have become the norm; physical buttons and accessories have slowly been phased out, a continuing process which has recently included removal of the 3.5mm standard analog headphone jack. When I saw floppy drives disappear, I wasn't entirely surprised. When CF cards didn't become as poppular as USB sticks and USB powered external harddrives, I went along with it. I was waiting, waiting for news about a great windows mobile environment that would rival Apple and Android, my hope based on the fact that MS had managed to keep the OS market for the most part over Apple, even amongst blind users. So what if even CD's became obsolete! So what if screens got smaller or larger! So what if even the way we were inputting into our machines had to change! It was going to be alright! Thank you, MS! Thank you Bill Gates!Fast forward to the end of 2012; I'm now 24 years old. No MS mobile system worth writing home about, FS is falling behind on screen reader innovation, NVDA is becoming more and more popular and the only thing I have to my name where mobile is concerned is a crappy Samsung Haven, a phone so sluggish that my now 80something year old grandma could probably walk twice around the whole of my neighborhood before I send a text message. I hear buzzing about Cortana, MS changing its whole windows mobile kernel to mimic that of NT for the better, but by now I've given up hope that this will really mean anything. I had a choice to make; either I stuck with this clunker or trade it in for something I might regret later. Android didn't look anywhere near as popular as iOS... IT certainly didn't have as great a following amongst those people I spoke to most often ,and I didn't see a website or other resource dedicated to all of its functionality.I went for the iPhone 4s. I didn't like touch screens. I found out later just how much of an acquired taste they really were. When I showed up at the store the only charged, unboxed iPhone I could actually use belonged to the service rep and wasn't even a 4s, but he assured me that if I liked it at all I'd like the 4s even better. An hour later I had already learned enough to navigate the thing nicely, thus I purchased the 4s and didn't look back.Jump to 2015; I'm switching carriers and I need to make a choice on phones... Again. Nothing going on with MS still, save that win10 is soon to be the hype of the MS fanboys and everyone who's still using a 7 machine is stupid; shame on you even more if you're using XP! It's a bad word! No good windows mobile, and I don't see anything immensely cool happening with iOS or voiceover. I grab up an HTC 1m8, which was probably the greatest mistake I ever paid money for, as I used it for a whole year and must have made no more than 30 calls on the thing... I never dared to try and send a text message, let alone do anything else worth mentioning in this post. I found getting to the homescreen an absolute pain, trying to use google assistant virtually impossible
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? So,There are a few "Free" OCR apps which ya may wish to give a looksy at. These include Speak!The vOICeLookOut OCRIf your country does not have any of the apps listed above, use the Toolbox for Google Play Store™ Chrome extension, from Android Police URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434102/#p434102 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @50How do you type on your phone?@51Could you describe what that is?@56I completely agree. There's no way I'm going to carry around a keyboard just to send texts lol, that's ridiculous. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434092/#p434092 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Hi.Generally, doesn't matter if it's android or iOS, but I despise carrying a keyboard around with me, doesn't matter if it's a braille keyboard or a bluetooth keyboard.When I am doing notes on the way or have to write down some quick info, I use the direct touch typing on the iPhone, it's faster than the double tap or the lift finger to type method, direct touch is basically normal typing as if you were sighted, but with VO announcing the letters, symbols and numbers you type in, works very fast and easy.I tried using the braille screen input on the iPhone, but pritty much let go of it, far to slow for my taste.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434088/#p434088 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? i've used android? for over 4 years now, it's very nice and i never bashed it, but snese i bought my new iphone i begin to get away from it , apple prodect are simply and easy to use, that's what i've saw in the iphone it self URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434083/#p434083 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? BSI has revolutionized the speed at which I type, the only limitation being my general unease with braille. When I type on android devices, it is so slow, no, forget that. I have also tried several braille keyboards with Android, all of which do not suit me well at all. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434068/#p434068 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @Cmerry: If it's locked to that specific carrier, then you are probably going to want to root if you don't get Android Q when everyone else does. You're lucky you have a Pixel, as Samsung devices (at least the U.S. variants) at least galaxy s9 and above, actually make the hardware physically impossible to root. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434067/#p434067 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I use TalkBack and I type just fine. and yes agreeing with post 40 about prices. I also feel like android give you a little more fexibility whee apps are concerned. If you can't you can usually find one that's accessible with a little trial and error. Or barring that, the crfeators are usualy pretty good about updating them and making them more accessible. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434064/#p434064 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @ross, If you need to communicate for the job then you may even want to consider something like the Planet Computers Gemini or Cosmo Communicator Android-based pda's. You're really gonna want that built-in keyboard, and what better way than with a pocket-sized good old modernized psion-like PDA. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434066/#p434066 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? @47Not being able to text without using dictation or a keyboard is honestly a dealbreaker for me TBH. My job requires me to constantly be traveling and communicating with others. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434062/#p434062 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? The responsiveness of talkback issue could also be more of a tts problem. Google tts, as well as some others like vocalizer and accapella, aren't exactly well known for there responsiveness when doing general things. Typing has never really been a problem for me, at least not since I got google keyboard, a little slow maybe, but i'm someone who never really liked braille screen input and never actually found the time to check out flick type anyway. That aside though, dictation on android is actually way better than I thought. I've been able to dictate some pretty long messages without trouble before.Question. As someone who got my phone through car phone warehouse, do you think that'll have any impact on how fast I get updates / when I stop getting them? I'm on a pixel, btw, for those of you who didn't see my topic. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434057/#p434057 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? The responsiveness of talkback issue could also be more of a tts problem. Google tts, as well as some others like vocalizer and accapella, aren't exactly well known for there responsiveness when doing general things. Typing has never really been a problem for me, at least not since I got google keyboard, a little slow maybe, but i'm someone who never really liked braille screen input and never actually found the time to check out flick type anyway. That aside though, dictation on android is actually way better than I thought. I've been able to dictate some pretty long messages without trouble before. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434057/#p434057 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Yeah you get screwed over if you go through a carrier because they give you late updates, then stop giving you updates altogether. So, unless you want to root and then flash the updated ROM yourself, you're not getting it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434056/#p434056 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Ross,Ross wrote:1. As far as I know, Talkback does not have something similar to Voiceover's touch passthrough, the thing that allows me to type on Flicktype. Every person I know that uses Talkback uses dictation. I mean, if you're fine with other people hearing your messages and having your texts riddled with a bunch of mistranslated words, that's fine. True enough. I use either a tap wearable keyboard ($150) or type to my phone through my Telnet if I'm concerned about accuracy and it's a long message.Ross wrote:2. Talkback isn't nearly as responsive as Voiceover. I mean this in the sense that there's always a slight delay in using gestures.This may be more common on older devices. I have a pixel2 and it's barely noticeable.Ross wrote:3. Lack of updates for Android. I'm actually curious for Android users to respond to this, because this is a big reason why I don't use Android.This is one more reason why you really should purchase a Google-branded device. You'll be first in line for updates. If you are that person that still buys their phones from the carrier, Google's budget Pixel3a is going to be sold by nearly all carriers now. Although, i really don't get why one would do that when you can buy the phone unlocked on a payment plan straight from the google store.ross wrote:4. This is actually a rather small reason, and maybe I just never figured out the command. I like being able to pause my audio with a two finger double tap. On a similar note, being able to mute Voiceover. As far as I know, and please correct me if I'm wrong, Talkback doesn't have either of those.Muting Talkback is indirectly accomplished through its accessibility volume control. While there isn't a magic tap gesture, there's button-mapper pro for android that lets you map volume key commands to those gestures.All this is from someone who, after a profoundly disappointing Samsung experience, has stuck with the Nexus/Pixel lineup through and through for years now and has never been disappointed by any of them. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434042/#p434042 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Ross,Ross wrote:1. As far as I know, Talkback does not have something similar to Voiceover's touch passthrough, the thing that allows me to type on Flicktype. Every person I know that uses Talkback uses dictation. I mean, if you're fine with other people hearing your messages and having your texts riddled with a bunch of mistranslated words, that's fine. True enough. I use either a tap wearable keyboard ($150) or type to my phone through my Telnet if I'm concerned about accuracy and it's a long message.Ross wrote:2. Talkback isn't nearly as responsive as Voiceover. I mean this in the sense that there's always a slight delay in using gestures.This may be more common on older devices. I have a pixel2 and it's barely noticeable.Ross wrote:3. Lack of updates for Android. I'm actually curious for Android users to respond to this, because this is a big reason why I don't use Android.This is one more reason why you really should purchase a Google-branded device. You'll be first in line for updates. If you are that person that still buys their phones from the carrier, Google's budget Pixel3a is going to be sold by nearly all carriers now. Although, i really don't get why one would do that when you can buy the phone unlocked on a payment plan straight from the google store.ross wrote:4. This is actually a rather small reason, and maybe I just never figured out the command. I like being able to pause my audio with a two finger double tap. On a similar note, being able to mute Voiceover. As far as I know, and please correct me if I'm wrong, Talkback doesn't have either of those.Muting Talkback is indirectly accomplished through its accessibility volume control. While there isn't a magic tap gesture, there's button-mapper pro for android that lets you map volume key commands to those gestures. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434042/#p434042 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? You think apple doesn’t lack in updates? Hahahahaha URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434033/#p434033 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? The reason I use IOS over Android, and more specifically Voiceover over Talkback is for the following reasons:1. As far as I know, Talkback does not have something similar to Voiceover's touch passthrough, the thing that allows me to type on Flicktype. Every person I know that uses Talkback uses dictation. I mean, if you're fine with other people hearing your messages and having your texts riddled with a bunch of mistranslated words, that's fine.2. Talkback isn't nearly as responsive as Voiceover. I mean this in the sense that there's always a slight delay in using gestures.3. Lack of updates for Android. I'm actually curious for Android users to respond to this, because this is a big reason why I don't use Android.4. This is actually a rather small reason, and maybe I just never figured out the command. I like being able to pause my audio with a two finger double tap. On a similar note, being able to mute Voiceover. As far as I know, and please correct me if I'm wrong, Talkback doesn't have either of those. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434011/#p434011 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? If I remember correctly, nearby explorer online, the free application does work internationally, not just in north America thankfully. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/434007/#p434007 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I have really tried hard, very hard to use a mac. I also have tried very hard to use and Ipad. And I simply could just never get the hang of it... let alone the very basics. Everything was just too.. confusing? done in just one way, sort of terribly planned.I Started using android as back as 2010! when accessibility was just usable, for calling and that was it. Granted, I had switched from a nokia phone with talks so things were just about the same in terms of accessibility. The reasons why i never got an IPhone were firstly high prices and secondly that I needed to change the way the sim card was just so I could use a newer phone, and back in the day providers here were not that caught up with the trend.So, android it was. The web experience was disappointing, too many apps everyone had I could not use, but slowly and surely that changed and now accessibility is about the same in both platforms.I have had four android phones, three of them with physical keyboards. You never got that with an IPhone for example.The current one now is the Samsung galaxy a9, famous for its social media presense with 4 rear cameras on board and no physical keyboard--I am a musician so the cameras and stuff serves me well--also audio quality is pretty good too.As for good navigation apps, in the spanish speaking world we do ahve lazarillo app, in other places I think the notnav gps or "eye D" with its travel mode are decent enough. People praise nearby explorer a lot though it costs a small price and it only works well in U.s. and Canada.I really appreciate multi language voice dictation, as well as prediction. And curiously, I have been running with samgsung just recently, and its been done rather pretty well, they do have certain accessibility enhancements for a few key areas of the system, one example being that you can buy a bunch of cheap NFC sticky tags and record small voice clips on them and you just got a cheap pen friend labeller, so you can mark whatever you want and use the phone to identify stuff, all free of charge and as part of the system with no additional app needed.Power goes pretty decent in this phone, a charge lasts me three days in average.Not sure what else to compare, if anything? everyone's phone usage is different so its better if you tell us what are your favorite or most frequently done things in the IPhone world and we could probably review (or trash) an app for those. lol.By the way talkback and explore by touch are no longer two separate apps, they had merged years ago, so there is also bashing due to lots of misinformation. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433983/#p433983 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I have really tried hard, very hard to use a mac. I also have tried very hard to use and Ipad. And I simply could just never get the hang of it... let alone the very basics. Everything was just too.. confusing? done in just one way, sort of terribly planned.I Started using android as back as 2010! when accessibility was just usable, for calling and that was it. Granted, I had switched from a nokia phone with talks so things were just about the same in terms of accessibility. The reasons why i never got an IPhone were firstly high prices and secondly that I needed to change the way the sim card was just so I could use a newer phone, and back in the day providers here were not that caught up with the trend.So, android it was. The web experience was disappointing, too many apps everyone had I could not use, but slowly and surely that changed and now accessibility is about the same in both platforms.I have had four android phones, three of them with physical keyboards. You never got that with an IPhone for example.The current one now is the Samsung galaxy a9, famous for its social media presense with 4 rear cameras on board--I am a musician and that serves me well--also audio quality is pretty good too.As for good navigation apps, in the spanish speaking world we do ahve lazarillo app, in other places I think the notnav gps or "eye D" with its travel mode are decent enough. People praise nearby explorer a lot though it costs a small price and it only works well in U.s. and Canada.I really appreciate multi language voice dictation, as well as prediction. And curiously, I have been running with samgsung just recently, and its been done rather pretty well, they do have certain accessibility enhancements for a few key areas of the system, one example being that you can buy a bunch of cheap NFC sticky tags and record small voice clips on them and you just got a cheap pen friend labeller, so you can mark whatever you want and use the phone to identify stuff, all free of charge and as part of the system with no additional app needed.Power goes pretty decent in this phone, a charge lasts me three days in average.Not sure what else to compare, if anything? everyone's phone usage is different so its better if you tell us what are your favorite or most frequently done things in the IPhone world and we could probably review (or trash) an app for those. lol.By the way talkback and explore by touch are no longer two separate apps, they had merged years ago, so there is also bashing due to lots of misinformation. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433983/#p433983 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I have really tried hard, very hard to use a mac. I also have tried very hard to use and Ipad. And I simply could just never get the hang of it... let alone the very basics. Everything was just too.. confusing? done in just one way, sort of terribly planned.I Started using android as back as 2010! when accessibility was just usable, for calling and that was it. Granted, I had switched from a nokia phone with talks so things were just about the same in terms of accessibility. The reasons why i never got an IPhone were firstly high prices and secondly that I needed to change the way the sim card was just so I could use a newer phone, and back in the day providers here were not that caught up with the trend.So, android it was. The web experience was disappointing, too many apps everyone had I could not use, but slowly and surely that changed and now accessibility is about the same in both platforms.I have had four android phones, three of them with physical keyboards. You never got that with an IPhone for example.The current one now is the Samsung galaxy a9, famous for its social media presense with 4 rear cameras on board--I am a musician and that serves me well--also audio quality is pretty good too.As for good navigation apps, in the spanish speaking world we do ahve lazarillo app, in other places I think the notnav gps or eye D pro with its travel mode are decent enough. People praise nearby explorer a lot though it costs a small price and it only works well in U.s. and Canada.I really appreciate multi language voice dictation, as well as prediction. And curiously, I have been running with samgsung just recently, and its been done rather pretty well, they do have certain accessibility enhancements for a few key areas of the system, one example being that you can buy a bunch of cheap NFC sticky tags and record small voice clips on them and you just got a cheap pen friend labeller, so you can mark whatever you want and use the phone to identify stuff, all free of charge and as part of the system with no additional app needed.Power goes pretty decent in this phone, a charge lasts me three days in average.Not sure what else to compare, if anything? everyone's phone usage is different so its better if you tell us what are your favorite or most frequently done things in the IPhone world and we could probably review (or trash) an app for those. lol.By the way talkback and explore by touch are no longer two separate apps, they had merged years ago, so there is also bashing due to lots of misinformation. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433983/#p433983 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? Thumbs up at post 40! Exactly my view on this subject. Too bad there are all too many people who are blind to that fact that stick up for either camp without opening their eyes a litle. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433982/#p433982 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Why do so many blindies bash android? I guess, it comes always down to what kind of person you are. If you want something, that works out of the box, that is simple and easy to use, you should go for an Iphone. I did that, when I bought my first smart phone many years ago. It was an Iphone 5, and it worked very well. Today, I am using both, Android and IOS. At some point, when my current Iphone stops working, I plan to switch to Android completely. Mostly, because I don't want to pay Apple's rediculously high prices anymore. As for what is better than the other, well, I don't think, neither is really "better". Both systems have their advantages and their disadvantages. With IOS for example, you can always rely upon having updates on a regular basis for at least three years. While with Android that is kind of a different story. I have a moto G5. Motorola released an update to Android 8.1 Oreo last year. My phone hasn't gotten this update until now. So, a few weeks ago, I sat down, and updated it manually. It worked well, but it also required a lot of research and time. I understand, if not anyone wants to deal with things like that. On the other hand, with Android I can dictate text messages in different languages without having to change the keyboard. That's a feature, that I find very handy, and that I would like to see on IOS as well.But also, you won't have Seeing AI, Blindsquare or Microsoft Soundscape on Android. Surely, you could use Envision AI. But that App is not yet, where Seeing AI is. And I still haven't figured out, what would be a good navigation software for blind people on Android.Bottom line, both systems are usable. It just depends on how much time and efford you want to put in, to learn to use them. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/433981/#p433981 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
