Re: [Aus-soaring] ADS-B ??
Mark Fisher wrote: Can anyone point to me RAA and GFAs opinions on ADS-B ? Also interested in CASAs stance and when and if they will be trying to implement ADS-B ? Of course, personal opinions are welcome too! As far as I am aware, the GFA per se has not made an individual submission on ADS-B but was part of a paper put forward by ASAC (Australian Sport Aviation Association - the umbrella group covering RAA, GFA, HGFA, etc etc). This paper put forward the position that for many of the aircraft covered by ASAC member organisations, the current ADS-B power requirements made it impossible to operate (bi-directional) ADS-B and requiring ADS-B would be impossible (gliders would have difficulty carrying sufficient battery power to guarantee ADS-B operation towards the end of a long flight for example). I am tring to find the ASAC paper, but it's not on the ASAC web site. Unfortunately, I cannot find my copy that was circulated. I'll see if I can get the document posted on the GFA web site. -- Robert Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] +61 (0)438 385 533 http://www.hart.wattle.id.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] ADS-B ??
On 18/08/2008, at 5:03 PM, Robert Hart wrote: Mark Fisher wrote: Can anyone point to me RAA and GFA’s opinions on ADS-B ? Also interested in CASA’s stance and when and if they will be trying to implement ADS-B ? Of course, personal opinions are welcome too! As far as I am aware, the GFA per se has not made an individual submission on ADS-B but was part of a paper put forward by ASAC (Australian Sport Aviation Association - the umbrella group covering RAA, GFA, HGFA, etc etc). This paper put forward the position that for many of the aircraft covered by ASAC member organisations, the current ADS-B power requirements made it impossible to operate (bi-directional) ADS-B and requiring ADS-B would be impossible (gliders would have difficulty carrying sufficient battery power to guarantee ADS-B operation towards the end of a long flight for example). I am tring to find the ASAC paper, but it's not on the ASAC web site. Unfortunately, I cannot find my copy that was circulated. I'll see if I can get the document posted on the GFA web site. My understanding, along with the power requirements, is that it won't even be made mandatory on light aircraft, but rather it would be advised that they carry receivers. This means no one can see them, but that they can avoid commercial craft. It is therefore an unlikely instrument to be added to gliders, hand gliders, paragliders or balloons, and it seems unlikely to be added to RAA or even light aircraft. Scott___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] World Comps
Hi all I just learned that Graham Parker and David Jansen have returned their two ASG 29 to Schleicher for container loading later this week. John Buchanan has also returned the borrowed ASG 29 factory demonstrator and is now on his way back to Australia. Congratulation to the entire Aussie Team and crew for a splendid effort at Luesse. I'm especially happy for my mate Michael Sommer who has successfully defended this title in open class after landing 1 km short of the finish line on day one. In open class the first 4 places went to ASW 22 pilots. In 18m class 1st and 3rd place went to pilots flying ASG 29 and the story would have been similar in 15 m class if the pilots had not made a major tactical error on the last day. Graham Parker managed to win two days and managed to come 11th after outlanding one day. I understand David Jansen is close behind. John Buchanan managed to come 4th on two days but also had an exceptionally bad where he scored even less than 100 points. All in all a very good result for our pilots. I can't wait to hear the stories first hand. Bernard Eckey FUTURE AVIATION PTY. LTD. 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph/Fax +61 8 8449 2871 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] ADS-B ??
You can find RA-Aus', ASAC's and AOPA's responses here http://www.recreationalflying.com.au/forum/showthread.php?p=52932#post52932 Chris On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Mark Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone point to me RAA and GFA's opinions on ADS-B ? Also interested in CASA's stance and when and if they will be trying to implement ADS-B ? Of course, personal opinions are welcome too! Cheers Mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] World Comps
Bernard, I am sorry to correct you but, I have just checked the final results on the competition website http://www.wgc2008.de/TASKS-RESULTS.369.0.html and in fact David Janssen finished in 9th place, ahead of his team mate, Graham Parker, who did win 2 days (outstanding Graham), and finished in 17th place. And despite achieving a 2nd, 4th, and 3rd place during the competition, Butch finished 32nd in a field of 50. Congratulations to the entire Aussie team at Luesse! ROSS _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Sent: Monday, 18 August 2008 5:43 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] World Comps Hi all I just learned that Graham Parker and David Jansen have returned their two ASG 29 to Schleicher for container loading later this week. John Buchanan has also returned the borrowed ASG 29 factory demonstrator and is now on his way back to Australia. Congratulation to the entire Aussie Team and crew for a splendid effort at Luesse. I'm especially happy for my mate Michael Sommer who has successfully defended this title in open class after landing 1 km short of the finish line on day one. In open class the first 4 places went to ASW 22 pilots. In 18m class 1st and 3rd place went to pilots flying ASG 29 and the story would have been similar in 15 m class if the pilots had not made a major tactical error on the last day. Graham Parker managed to win two days and managed to come 11th after outlanding one day. I understand David Jansen is close behind. John Buchanan managed to come 4th on two days but also had an exceptionally bad where he scored even less than 100 points. All in all a very good result for our pilots. I can't wait to hear the stories first hand. Bernard Eckey FUTURE AVIATION PTY. LTD. 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph/Fax +61 8 8449 2871 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] World Comps
and Michael Sommer did not land out on day 1, or any other day. But that doesn't detract from his excellent performance. How can we convince him to become an Aussie? I don't think anyone has ever won a world comps for two different countries before - maybe that is an angle? Terry - Original Message - From: Ross McLean To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] World Comps Bernard, I am sorry to correct you but, I have just checked the final results on the competition website http://www.wgc2008.de/TASKS-RESULTS.369.0.html and in fact David Janssen finished in 9th place, ahead of his team mate, Graham Parker, who did win 2 days (outstanding Graham), and finished in 17th place. And despite achieving a 2nd, 4th, and 3rd place during the competition, Butch finished 32nd in a field of 50. Congratulations to the entire Aussie team at Luesse! ROSS -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Sent: Monday, 18 August 2008 5:43 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] World Comps Hi all I just learned that Graham Parker and David Jansen have returned their two ASG 29 to Schleicher for container loading later this week. John Buchanan has also returned the borrowed ASG 29 factory demonstrator and is now on his way back to Australia. Congratulation to the entire Aussie Team and crew for a splendid effort at Luesse. I'm especially happy for my mate Michael Sommer who has successfully defended this title in open class after landing 1 km short of the finish line on day one. In open class the first 4 places went to ASW 22 pilots. In 18m class 1st and 3rd place went to pilots flying ASG 29 and the story would have been similar in 15 m class if the pilots had not made a major tactical error on the last day. Graham Parker managed to win two days and managed to come 11th after outlanding one day. I understand David Jansen is close behind. John Buchanan managed to come 4th on two days but also had an exceptionally bad where he scored even less than 100 points. All in all a very good result for our pilots. I can't wait to hear the stories first hand. Bernard Eckey FUTURE AVIATION PTY. LTD. 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph/Fax +61 8 8449 2871 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Hijack Micheal
Quite right Terry. We should hijack Micheal to be one of our own. As the Olympics show atheletes are mobile in terms of national representation. And after all, as Ingo explained in an interview in the German flying magazine AeroKurier about 15 years ago, he was Deutsche stammige, wahl Australier (as best I remember it) which I understand as meaning of German origin, by choice Australian. So how do we get Micheal to choose Australia? An offer would appear to have to start with the odd spare ASW22BLE or two or three. He would need one for himself and one for his team compatriot (plus a spare for the odd breakage?) Then there would be team Micheal travel expenses to cover, and team Micheal cars (Terry surely you could get Holden to just chuck these in for nothing), and Hmm Getting a bit expensive Terry. Roger Druce ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] -Flarm update
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Re: [Aus-soaring] World Comps
Looks like the new VentusCxa didn't do too bad, first major title and came second - Nig _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Sent: Monday, 18 August 2008 5:43 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] World Comps Hi all I just learned that Graham Parker and David Jansen have returned their two ASG 29 to Schleicher for container loading later this week. John Buchanan has also returned the borrowed ASG 29 factory demonstrator and is now on his way back to Australia. Congratulation to the entire Aussie Team and crew for a splendid effort at Luesse. I'm especially happy for my mate Michael Sommer who has successfully defended this title in open class after landing 1 km short of the finish line on day one. In open class the first 4 places went to ASW 22 pilots. In 18m class 1st and 3rd place went to pilots flying ASG 29 and the story would have been similar in 15 m class if the pilots had not made a major tactical error on the last day. Graham Parker managed to win two days and managed to come 11th after outlanding one day. I understand David Jansen is close behind. John Buchanan managed to come 4th on two days but also had an exceptionally bad where he scored even less than 100 points. All in all a very good result for our pilots. I can't wait to hear the stories first hand. Bernard Eckey FUTURE AVIATION PTY. LTD. 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph/Fax +61 8 8449 2871 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] World Comps
Sorry, Ross, my posting was based on information received during a telephone conversation with a Schleicher employee. Thanks for the link to the official competition website. Bernard Eckey FUTURE AVIATION PTY. LTD. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Monday, 18 August 2008 7:50 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] World Comps Bernard, I am sorry to correct you but, I have just checked the final results on the competition website http://www.wgc2008.de/TASKS-RESULTS.369.0.html and in fact David Janssen finished in 9th place, ahead of his team mate, Graham Parker, who did win 2 days (outstanding Graham), and finished in 17th place. And despite achieving a 2nd, 4th, and 3rd place during the competition, Butch finished 32nd in a field of 50. Congratulations to the entire Aussie team at Luesse! ROSS _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Sent: Monday, 18 August 2008 5:43 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] World Comps Hi all I just learned that Graham Parker and David Jansen have returned their two ASG 29 to Schleicher for container loading later this week. John Buchanan has also returned the borrowed ASG 29 factory demonstrator and is now on his way back to Australia. Congratulation to the entire Aussie Team and crew for a splendid effort at Luesse. I'm especially happy for my mate Michael Sommer who has successfully defended this title in open class after landing 1 km short of the finish line on day one. In open class the first 4 places went to ASW 22 pilots. In 18m class 1st and 3rd place went to pilots flying ASG 29 and the story would have been similar in 15 m class if the pilots had not made a major tactical error on the last day. Graham Parker managed to win two days and managed to come 11th after outlanding one day. I understand David Jansen is close behind. John Buchanan managed to come 4th on two days but also had an exceptionally bad where he scored even less than 100 points. All in all a very good result for our pilots. I can't wait to hear the stories first hand. Bernard Eckey FUTURE AVIATION PTY. LTD. 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph/Fax +61 8 8449 2871 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Fwd: Re: Unmanned Gliders To Seek Their Own Lift
Oops we will not be allowed to fly in case a few of these things needs our thermal. Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:39:43 +0930 To: Patrick Pulis [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Robert Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Unmanned Gliders To Seek Their Own Lift An Interesting concept soon we will be all out of the Air while these things find thermals etc At 10:57 AM 19/08/2008, you wrote: FYI Automated on-board energy aware planning is being developed by the U.K.'s Roke Manor Research to allow autonomous gliders to find naturally occurring lift and sustain unpowered or prolong powered flight, according to a report in ElectronicsWeekly.com. Ultimately, aircraft equipped with software and hardware that actively processes video feeds of cloud conditions and surface type (cool grass, or hot pavement) data would be processed along with other elements (models assessing weather and predicting vertical air movement due to thermal and orographic lift) to identify thermals and share that information with similar aircraft nearby. With that information, a virtual and real-time lift map could help produce waypoint sequences for use by integrated flight management systems aboard the aircraft as they hopscotch from lift-point to lift-point along a route. The aircraft would literally be led to their required destination via a route that applies all acquired information to avoid areas of sink and exploit the best areas of lift between the departure point and destination point. Current proposed applications for the developing technology include extending the flight range of unmanned aerial vehicles. Regards Rob Moore 08 82588026 home 0412 055 888 mobile Regards Rob Moore 08 82588026 home 0412 055 888 mobile ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] World Comps
As Bernard and many others have said, heartiest of congratulations on all the Aussie Teams this season: Jnr, Rieti and GER! You seriously have done us all proud, and has only spured me on to get through my command training coming up very soon (10th sept) and get back into some very serious competitive soaring again! I WANT THE PODIUM BAD!!! Sorry Bernard, but couldn't help myself on the below... STD CLASS RESULTS 1st - Discus 2a 2nd - Discus 2ax 3rd - Discus 2 4th - Discus 2a 5th - Discus 2a 6th - Discus 2a7th - LS8 8th - LS8 9th - LS8 10th - LS8 11th - LS8 15M CLASS RESULTS 1st - Ventus 2a 2nd - Diana 2 3rd - Ventus 2a 4th - ASG29 (15m) - after wanting to see AUS Win, I REALLY wanted to see Leigh Wells clean up! Even though he was flying a schleicher [he has converted from a V2ax for this worlds :( ] CLUB CLASS RESULTS 1st - damn hornet spoilt my fun! 2nd - Cirrus 3rd - Cirrus 4th - Cirrus 18M Class and OPEN Class - as Bernard has already pointed out Although, I do agree that the ASW22 is in a class of its own, especially @ 850kg! However, I think that 18m class all comes down to preference and your flying style. Both V2cxaJThfnsfhs and the ASG29 are awesome jigga's! WPP From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:18:48 +0930Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] World Comps Sorry, Ross, my posting was based on information received during a telephone conversation with a Schleicher employee. Thanks for the link to the official competition website. Bernard Eckey FUTURE AVIATION PTY. LTD. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross McLeanSent: Monday, 18 August 2008 7:50 PMTo: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] World Comps Bernard, I am sorry to correct you but, I have just checked the final results on the competition website http://www.wgc2008.de/TASKS-RESULTS.369.0.html and in fact David Janssen finished in 9th place, ahead of his team mate, Graham Parker, who did win 2 days (outstanding Graham), and finished in 17th place. And despite achieving a 2nd, 4th, and 3rd place during the competition, Butch finished 32nd in a field of 50. Congratulations to the entire Aussie team at Luesse! ROSS From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Future AviationSent: Monday, 18 August 2008 5:43 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [Aus-soaring] World Comps Hi all I just learned that Graham Parker and David Jansen have returned their two ASG 29 to Schleicher for container loading later this week. John Buchanan has also returned the borrowed ASG 29 factory demonstrator and is now on his way back to Australia. Congratulation to the entire Aussie Team and crew for a splendid effort at Luesse. I’m especially happy for my mate Michael Sommer who has successfully defended this title in open class after landing 1 km short of the finish line on day one. In open class the first 4 places went to ASW 22 pilots. In 18m class 1st and 3rd place went to pilots flying ASG 29 and the story would have been similar in 15 m class if the pilots had not made a major tactical error on the last day. Graham Parker managed to win two days and managed to come 11th after outlanding one day. I understand David Jansen is close behind. John Buchanan managed to come 4th on two days but also had an exceptionally bad where he scored even less than 100 points. All in all a very good result for our pilots. I can’t wait to hear the stories first hand. Bernard Eckey FUTURE AVIATION PTY. LTD. 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph/Fax +61 8 8449 2871 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Win a Nokia E51 with mobile Hotmail SMS alerts http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/compIntro.aspx?compId=4589___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Re: Unmanned Gliders To Seek Their Own Lift
At 12:13 PM 19/08/2008, you wrote: Oops we will not be allowed to fly in case a few of these things needs our thermal. Its on www.avweb.com You can read more at the site of the people doing it.The problem isn't sharing thermals it is that you could put this thing in one of our sailplanes to advise the pilot as to suggested best courses of action. It will be interesting how good it is and of course it could gather data while a human pilot flys and learn. That way you could have an AI (artificial intelligence) in every cockpit with the skills and experience of world champion soaring pilots. Next questions is : Is this desirable? Then again AI's are also known as artificial stupids Looking at ground temperatures should already be possible. I have a neat infra red non contact thermometer than reads ground temps nicely. Might need a narrower field of view to work well but down low it might tell you which of the nearby paddocks is the warmest. We could end up with a little IR scanner in the nose able to point in various directions kind of like the radar in a fighter. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Unmanned Gliders To Seek Their Own Lift
Sounds a bit like April's fool. I am sceptical that it would work, not with the current technology. But I am not a tech head, so what would I know...! I would've thought that the weight of the computing hardware plus batteries would be quite a lot. Anyway, isn't 1.5kg wetware with a ~80kg support system cheaper to run, uses known technology, and is more fun ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Unmanned Gliders To Seek Their Own Lift
Various parts of autonomous soaring UAVs have been flown successfully, some test flights have proven the autonomous thermalling algorithms, some have conducted cross-country flights. The BAe group look to be pretty advanced with their cloud scraping technology that uses video processing to monitor clouds to determine likely lift sources. There are several research groups around the world working on this, including a group I am in at DSTO here in Australia. We are working towards test-flights early next year in New Zealand. The algorithms required to do basic soaring are very lightweight, taking very little processing power. On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 12:00 +0800, Texler, Michael wrote: Sounds a bit like April's fool. I am sceptical that it would work, not with the current technology. But I am not a tech head, so what would I know...! I would've thought that the weight of the computing hardware plus batteries would be quite a lot. Anyway, isn't 1.5kg wetware with a ~80kg support system cheaper to run, uses known technology, and is more fun ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
