Re: [Aus-soaring] Why flutter is bad
Yes, very alarming. I have had one flutter incident in my ASW-20. Immediately fixed by rapidly raising the nose. It was a hot day , flying close to VNE. Perhaps not enough allowance for difference between IAS and TAS. Repaired top rudder hinge which had slight wear, and then could not reproduce the event at VNE. Roger Browne -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of James Dutschke Sent: Wednesday, 4 May 2011 10:00 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Why flutter is bad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D7YCCLGu5Yfeature=youtube_gdata_player This kinda stuff keeps happening. Has anyone ever experienced flutter before in a sailplane? Other than In condor (damn ridge tasks). I should imagine it would be rather alarming. James. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Re NZ ASH on youtube.
Hi Derrek I agree, the comment that the glider can be loaded with water ballast to 1.2 tons appears to be a mistake on the part of the air show commentator. After fliying with Terry Delore in this particular ASH 25 I can confirm that it was not modified to carry more water ballast. But more than anything else this episode highlights the dangerous practice of jumping to conclusions (and mistaking a deliberately incuced wing flex for flutter) after just a very superficial observation. Terry would never continue with an aerobatic display after experiencing flutter. He is a very responsible pilot and didn't set some 20 or so world records without knowing what he is doing! Kind regards to all! Bernard - Original Message - From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. @lists.internode.on.net To:Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc: Sent:Thu, 5 May 2011 11:05:50 +1000 Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] Re NZ ASH on youtube. At 1:53: Maximum weight of this glider when fully loaded on a World record with 2 pilots and water ballast is 1.2 tons I bet that's a test condition that the designer didn't envisage... Is the glider modified, or was that comment hyperbole or ignorance? -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [1] [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [2]] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 4 May 2011 6:47 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Re NZ ASH on youtube. At 05:50 PM 4/05/2011, you wrote: Well Aerodynamicists, is it really fluttering after the anhederal? Peter Heath - It looks like he had landing flap deployed then went to negative. In the Schleicher gliders the landing flap transfers the lift to the inner part of the wing and the tips then hang down or at higher speeds could even lift downwards, hence the anhedral. Sure looks like flutter to me, initiated by the impulse of moving the lift outboard suddenly. This probably isn't a test condition that the designer envisaged. Fortunately the flutter was damped and ceased after a few oscillations. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com [3] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com [4] ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net [5] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring [6] - No virus found in this message Checked by AVG - www.avg.com [7] Version: 10.0.1325 / Virus Database: 1500/3616 - Release Date: 05/04/11 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list aus-soar...@listsinternode.on.net [8] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring [9] @lists.internode.on.net Links: -- [1] mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [2] mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [3] mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com [4] http://www.borgeltinstruments.com [5] mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net [6] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring [7] http://www.avg.com [8] mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net [9] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Bonus Jet
..for those interested in non dinosaur fuel technology. http://www.solarimpulse.com On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 08:40, rolf a. buelter rbuel...@hotmail.com wrote: For those intersted in Jet self launch: http://www.google.com/url?sa=Dq=http://watch.discoverychannel.ca/daily-planet/april-2011/daily-planet---april-26-2011/%23clip459664 Rgds - Rolf ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Bonus Jet
At 08:39 PM 5/05/2011, you wrote: ..for those interested in non dinosaur fuel technology. http://www.solarimpulse.comhttp://www.solarimpulse.com Depends whether you are a fan of the dead dinosaur theory of oil formation. Problem is the vast amounts of hydrocarbons on the surface and and the atmosphere of Titan, largest moon of Saturn. I've heard no serious suggestions that it was once populated by dinosaurs. So we have an existence proof that vast amounts of higher chain hydrocarbons can be formed independent of life. Bit of a problem, that. Solarimpulse is the sort of useless project done in stultified, degenerate cultures like that of Europe to entertain the masses and relive a minute part of the faded glory of Europe's age of exploration and discovery. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Why flutter is bad
At 06:13 PM 5/05/2011, you wrote: Yes, very alarming. I have had one flutter incident in my ASW-20. Immediately fixed by rapidly raising the nose. It was a hot day , flying close to VNE. Perhaps not enough allowance for difference between IAS and TAS. Repaired top rudder hinge which had slight wear, and then could not reproduce the event at VNE. Roger Browne Which bit fluttered Roger? ASW20s had a bad aileron/flap flutter problem early in their life after they had been in service for a while. IIRC it was caused by the pushrod guides in the wings opening up. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Bonus Jet
...some say oxygen is produced and carbon is sinked by trees. Little do they know that most of that cycle is done by our oceans and the little critters within. Thus most of our fossil fuels originate from our oceans. Let's blame continental drift for it ending up under our land masses. Feasible theory. Same for Titan. But how about the inefficiency of using a turbo-jet engine compared to turbo-fan and turbo-prop engines at low speeds? Let alone extracting and refining vast amounts of higher chain hydrocarbons. Why not use solar light? The nit-ti grit-ties of accumulating electron differentials are being improved as we type. Political monkey dance aside: the Prius is now in the third generation (Cameron Diaz even likes it...) and the panels on the roofs of those that installed them seem to work as well. The steam engine, micro processor and electric vario were once labelled useless projects as well. But they did help us along the way. Admit it, Mike, you are spending more time flying electric pushers and impeller types than flying jet powered models. I just witnessed one of these oh so dangerous LiPo's being crunched to mush induced by an aerobatic standing 9 figure. It didn't explode nor ignite (very disappointing...) Voyager was another one of those useless projects. But it did fly around the world in a single flight. What if Solar-impulse can do the same? Why didn't you listen to those that were of the opinion that electric varios are never going to be useful? Where is your spirit gone? Fossilised, waiting to be refined and burned? Erich On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 21:01, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.comwrote: At 08:39 PM 5/05/2011, you wrote: ..for those interested in non dinosaur fuel technology. http://www.solarimpulse.comhttp://www.solarimpulse.com Depends whether you are a fan of the dead dinosaur theory of oil formation. Problem is the vast amounts of hydrocarbons on the surface and and the atmosphere of Titan, largest moon of Saturn. I've heard no serious suggestions that it was once populated by dinosaurs. So we have an existence proof that vast amounts of higher chain hydrocarbons can be formed independent of life. Bit of a problem, that. Solarimpulse is the sort of useless project done in stultified, degenerate cultures like that of Europe to entertain the masses and relive a minute part of the faded glory of Europe's age of exploration and discovery. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Bonus Jet
On 5 May 2011 22:15, erich wittstock deepb...@gmail.com wrote: ...some say oxygen is produced and carbon is sinked by trees. Little do they know that most of that cycle is done by our oceans and the little critters within. Thus most of our fossil fuels originate from our oceans. Let's blame continental drift for it ending up under our land masses. Feasible theory. Same for Titan. But how about the inefficiency of using a turbo-jet engine compared to turbo-fan and turbo-prop engines at low speeds? Let alone extracting and refining vast amounts of higher chain hydrocarbons. Why not use solar light? The nit-ti grit-ties of accumulating electron differentials are being improved as we type. Political monkey dance aside: the Prius is now in the third generation (Cameron Diaz even likes it...) Perhaps it allies her conscience given the copious energy she is likely using jetting around the globe. and the panels on the roofs of those that installed them seem to work as well. Well they work, when the sun shines and not so well when it does not. I guess the good part is that Ergon has agreed to pay me 50 cents per kWh at a time when they actually do not need it. That is somewhere between 2.5 and 3 times the cost of the dearest power I buy. License to exploit the poor and unit dwellers. Will it save the Earth? Not likely. The steam engine, micro processor and electric vario were once labelled useless projects as well. But they did help us along the way. Admit it, Mike, you are spending more time flying electric pushers and impeller types than flying jet powered models. I just witnessed one of these oh so dangerous LiPo's being crunched to mush induced by an aerobatic standing 9 figure. It didn't explode nor ignite (very disappointing...) Voyager was another one of those useless projects. But it did fly around the world in a single flight. What if Solar-impulse can do the same? Why didn't you listen to those that were of the opinion that electric varios are never going to be useful? Where is your spirit gone? Fossilised, waiting to be refined and burned? Erich Paul ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Darling Downs Weather for the weekend of 7 - 8 May 2011 - updated
Hi folks It would seem the winter weather pattern is starting to establish itself, with the highs moving a bit further north as the sweep in from the west. The updated weekend weather forecast is available at http://the-white-knight-speaks.blogspot.com It appears this weekend is likely to see a fair amount of high cloud which could adversely affect the soaring conditions - see the forecast for more details. -- Robert Hart ha...@interweft.com.au +61 (0)438 385 533 http://www.hart.wattle.id.au ___ Chat mailing list c...@ddsc.org.au http://ddsc.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat_ddsc.org.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Good morning
Good morning DDD. Freezing here 6 degrees DDD oxo___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Fw: Good morning
Gotta move my daughter's address. Damn. - Original Message - From: Christopher Mc Donnell To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 7:57 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Good morning Good morning DDD. Freezing here 6 degrees DDD oxo ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Bonus Jet
Some hard facts. Once a forest, savanah or any form of original vegetation reaches a mature state due to the limit of the amount of vegetation sustainable by available water and nutrients resulting from the degradation of non organic minerals, the carbon cycle is such that there is no net gain by way of a reduction in atmospheric carbon dioxide levels. The exception is the carboniferous materials which are carried out to sea and eventually converted to gasses or oils which we seek to extract millions of years later or laid down on land as coal or shale oil deposits. Interestingly, to the chagrin of our dedicated environmentalists, when a forest is harvested, the carboniferous materials such as timber are then locked away for perhaps a century or more and the regrowing forest then positively contributes to carbon dioxide abatement. The climate change enthusiasts who have spawned a self serving industry intent on rubbishing anyone with a contrary view, have also got something else very much wrong. The warming of the oceans, which is undisbuted, will result in the evaporation of greatly increased amounts of water which will fall as rain somewhere. The drought breaking rains of the last 12 months are the result of slightly increased ocean temperatures, to the North West of Australia it is the Indian Ocean Dipole and to the East it is the Il Nina effect. None of this increased rainfall was predicted by the CSIRO or the various meteorological organisations in Australia yet for some improbable reason, the cutbacks in Murray Darling water allocations were based on a 10% reduction in river flows. The consistent drought in South Western WA is because that area derives its winter rainfall from the Antartic Circumpolar Current. This as yet, has not icreased in temperature as its heat source is the great ocean currents which transfer heat from the tropics to the Arctic and Antarctic waters. Without these currents the polar regions would be incredibly cold as the heat radiated to space is many times greater than the solar input. As an example of what will happen with increased rainfall, the Simpson desert is green for the first time in Aboriginal memory. The Australia wide increase in vegetation will result in the fixing of huge amounts of carbon, concievably far more than all our puny abatement measures. The down side is that gliding may not be quite as interesting, Harry Medlicott. - Original Message - From: erich wittstock To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Bonus Jet ...some say oxygen is produced and carbon is sinked by trees. Little do they know that most of that cycle is done by our oceans and the little critters within. Thus most of our fossil fuels originate from our oceans. Let's blame continental drift for it ending up under our land masses. Feasible theory. Same for Titan. But how about the inefficiency of using a turbo-jet engine compared to turbo-fan and turbo-prop engines at low speeds? Let alone extracting and refining vast amounts of higher chain hydrocarbons. Why not use solar light? The nit-ti grit-ties of accumulating electron differentials are being improved as we type. Political monkey dance aside: the Prius is now in the third generation (Cameron Diaz even likes it...) and the panels on the roofs of those that installed them seem to work as well. The steam engine, micro processor and electric vario were once labelled useless projects as well. But they did help us along the way. Admit it, Mike, you are spending more time flying electric pushers and impeller types than flying jet powered models. I just witnessed one of these oh so dangerous LiPo's being crunched to mush induced by an aerobatic standing 9 figure. It didn't explode nor ignite (very disappointing...) Voyager was another one of those useless projects. But it did fly around the world in a single flight. What if Solar-impulse can do the same? Why didn't you listen to those that were of the opinion that electric varios are never going to be useful? Where is your spirit gone? Fossilised, waiting to be refined and burned? Erich On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 21:01, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: At 08:39 PM 5/05/2011, you wrote: ..for those interested in non dinosaur fuel technology. http://www.solarimpulse.comhttp://www.solarimpulse.com Depends whether you are a fan of the dead dinosaur theory of oil formation. Problem is the vast amounts of hydrocarbons on the surface and and the atmosphere of Titan, largest moon of Saturn. I've heard no serious suggestions that it was once populated by dinosaurs. So we have an existence proof that vast amounts of higher chain hydrocarbons can be formed independent of life. Bit of a problem, that. Solarimpulse is the sort of useless project done in
[Aus-soaring] SAGA Winter Lectures
Hi All This month sees the start of the SAGA Winter Lecture Series This year we are running three streams: Basic/Advanced and Speciallist. Please find the details of the first activities in each series. All welcome. Please forward these details to others in your clubs. Venue will be the Adelaide University Chemical Engineer Seminar Room unless otherwise advised. All events start at 7:30pm. Basic -- 16 May 2011 Basic Aerodynamics – Anthony Smith (Aeronautical Engineer) Advanced - 11 May 2011 Lookout – Limitations of the Human Eye (Mandy Temple) Specialist Radio Operators Course John Hudson Includes test for issue of rating 17 May 2011 Radio Operators Course Part 1 24 May 2011 Radio Operators Course Part 2/Test 31 May 2011 Proposed Visit to ATC Adelaide Airport For future planning A CASA BAK Course suitable for Touring Motorglider pilots will be held on Tuesday nights 21 June, 28 June, 5 July, then break for school holidays, 26 July, 2 August, 9 August and 16 August (CASA exam). Nominations are now open for this course. Cost is expected to be $100. Minimum numbers required to make it happen so register early Thanks Cath RTO/S SA/NT PastedGraphic-1.pdf Description: PastedGraphic-1.pdf ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fw: Good morning
Another dumpling moment! Brilliant sunny day here in Perth! From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher Mc Donnell Sent: Friday, 6 May 2011 06:35 To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fw: Good morning Gotta move my daughter's address. Damn. - Original Message - From: Christopher Mc Donnell mailto:wommamuku...@bigpond.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 7:57 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Good morning Good morning DDD. Freezing here 6 degrees DDD oxo ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Good morning
Chris, that's not freezing! Canberra managed a low of MINUS 4.0 this morning. Is this a changing climate back to more normal figures, or just the fact that the pollies are not in town this week? Wombat At 08:27 6/05/2011, you wrote: Good morning DDD. Freezing here 6 degrees DDD oxo ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fw: Good morning
Egg on face too. I will have to wait until after coffee before I say good morning to my daughter. - Original Message - From: Texler, Michael To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fw: Good morning Another dumpling moment! Brilliant sunny day here in Perth! -- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher Mc Donnell Sent: Friday, 6 May 2011 06:35 To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fw: Good morning Gotta move my daughter's address. Damn. - Original Message - From: Christopher Mc Donnell To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 7:57 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Good morning Good morning DDD. Freezing here 6 degrees DDD oxo -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Good morning
No more cold for us Mike. We have sold our property and are migrating to Queensland where our children are. GQG will be able to enjoy some G reat Q ueensland G liding :-) - Original Message - From: Mike Cleaver wom...@netspeed.com.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Good morning Chris, that's not freezing! Canberra managed a low of MINUS 4.0 this morning. Is this a changing climate back to more normal figures, or just the fact that the pollies are not in town this week? Wombat At 08:27 6/05/2011, you wrote: Good morning DDD. Freezing here 6 degrees DDD oxo ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Good morning
Hi Chris, That's great news although I was thinking of going somewhere dryer a week or two ago. Nice weather now though. Allegedly there's a new 95.4 out. I haven't looked yet. Regards Mike At 03:16 PM 6/05/2011, you wrote: No more cold for us Mike. We have sold our property and are migrating to Queensland where our children are. GQG will be able to enjoy some G reat Q ueensland G liding :-) - Original Message - From: Mike Cleaver wom...@netspeed.com.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Good morning Chris, that's not freezing! Canberra managed a low of MINUS 4.0 this morning. Is this a changing climate back to more normal figures, or just the fact that the pollies are not in town this week? Wombat At 08:27 6/05/2011, you wrote: Good morning DDD. Freezing here 6 degrees DDD oxo ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
