Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Australia!
On 07/07/2011, at 10:05 AM, Mike Borgelt wrote: It is 2011. Faced with a redo of the official magazine an organisation in 2011 decides to keep doing it the way it has been done since the 1950s and we have a bunch of glider pilots exhibiting the same failure of imagination and unwillingness to try anything new or different. What is being done right now in gliding clearly isn't working and worldwide the sport is circling the drain. I'm not terribly surprised but I find it sad. Amongst the current ways to do things, the UK has 'aviation sport tv' on-line I suspect we have enough Oz talent to supply material for a local version? (Nice Peter Temple interview there) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Classifieds
This isn't a newsgroup, it's a mailing list. It isn't on Google, it's hosted by Simon Hackett at Internode. If you're selling or buying something, there's no reason why you can't post about it. The moderator of this mailing list likes to believe that its participants are adults, who are generally amenable to quiet offline prodding about behavioural modification, rather than half-arsed censorship. I stand thoroughly and publicly corrected on all points and will do what I can to make amends in the future. The word adult is interesting in connection with some posts I have read on this list. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Australia
Neither have we - with the usual spread of opinions here I'd love to see for myself. With four payed up GFA members at the same address shouldn't we get priority treatment...? Ulrich On Thu 07/07/11 12:54 , DMcD slutsw...@gmail.com sent: I personnaly like the hard copy mag (havent seen the new one yet as in outback WA) H. I'm 30 km from Sydney GPO and have not seen it either! D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring [1] Links: -- [1] http://webmail-old.internode.on.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Flists.internode.on.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Faus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Australia
Many thanks to those who posted today to make my point we have a bunch of glider pilots exhibiting the same failure of imagination and unwillingness to try anything new or different. Glad to help out, not the least bit offended. God i love this group, so entertaining. Maybe we can make joining Aus Soaring compulsory and get 100% participation from members. Does anyone know what % of GFA membership actually follow this group?? Only see comments from usual suspects, so would be interested to know. cheerslaurie From: aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 94, Issue 17 To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 19:21:11 +0930 Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net You can reach the person managing the list at aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Gliding Australia (DMcD) 2. Re: Classifieds (DMcD) 3. Re: Classifieds (Mike Borgelt) 4. Re: Classifieds (DMcD) 5. Re: Classifieds (Mark Newton) 6. Re: Gliding Australia! (emilis prelgauskas) 7. Re: Gliding Australia! (Mike Borgelt) 8. Re: Gliding Australia! (Grant Davies) 9. Re: Classifieds (DMcD) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 13:24:59 +1000 From: DMcD slutsw...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Australia To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: cad0mmpw8zw21wvbksy23fqsvr7f3dv7xfozp2x2nc1zp2us...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I personnaly like the hard copy mag (havent seen the new one yet as in outback WA) H. I'm 30 km from Sydney GPO and have not seen it either! D -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 13:28:29 +1000 From: DMcD slutsw...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Classifieds To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: cad0mmpzum4eepq5ow+026jtmkncsosbf4yagwdkdvnwrgmv...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I understand that it uses commercial software which I expect could be adapted for gliding use If you use Joomla or other free CMS software, you can get add-ons for things like classifieds and chat groups (like this one) for nix. The only real costs is the hosting. If this newsgroup was moved off google and onto some other server then you could have news, classifieds, download the mag and all. Also, the moderator of the forum could censor difficult people and postings. D -- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 13:43:13 +1000 From: Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Classifieds To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: 91e3e3$b0u...@ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed At 01:28 PM 7/07/2011, you wrote: Also, the moderator of the forum could censor difficult people and postings. D ___ Or even anonymous ones. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com -- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 15:10:36 +1000 From: DMcD slutsw...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Classifieds To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: cad0mmpwsnhjvbaash0d5owvvvhzwne8s85h1avk_g5mm+fk...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 You are only saying this because you know in advance that your postings would attract the most censoring? anon or not! Anyway, I'm not anonymous. Dermot McD -- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 14:51:18 +0930 From: Mark Newton new...@atdot.dotat.org Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Classifieds To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: c5ac8b95-533b-45d4-91f5-7c9f60137...@atdot.dotat.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 07/07/2011, at 12:58 PM, DMcD wrote: If this newsgroup was moved off google and
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Australia!
On 07/07/2011, Grant Davies gr...@davies.id.au wrote: Being only new to Gliding and seeing and hearing about membership issues my two bobs worth is the if Gliding isn't in people's faces how do we expect it to flourish. I look at magazines on flying while in the newsagency and think if I saw one about Gliding I might have joined Gliding earlier. I thought that the numbers showed the GFA didn't have a recruiting problem, it had a retention problem. Cheers, Al ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Australia
I got mine Ulrich, and I did notice the pigeon heading your way, but with the head winds and everything it could still be a day or two. JR___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Australia
My guess is about 1/2% and getting smaller. Tom From: Laurie Simpkins lahi...@hotmail.com To: Aus Soaring aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2011 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Australia Many thanks to those who posted today to make my point we have a bunch of glider pilots exhibiting the same failure of imagination and unwillingness to try anything new or different. Glad to help out, not the least bit offended. God i love this group, so entertaining. Maybe we can make joining Aus Soaring compulsory and get 100% participation from members. Does anyone know what % of GFA membership actually follow this group?? Only see comments from usual suspects, so would be interested to know. cheers laurie From: aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 94, Issue 17 To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 19:21:11 +0930 Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net You can reach the person managing the list at aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Gliding Australia (DMcD) 2. Re: Classifieds (DMcD) 3. Re: Classifieds (Mike Borgelt) 4. Re: Classifieds (DMcD) 5. Re: Classifieds (Mark Newton) 6. Re: Gliding Australia! (emilis prelgauskas) 7. Re: Gliding Australia! (Mike Borgelt) 8. Re: Gliding Australia! (Grant Davies) 9. Re: Classifieds (DMcD) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 13:24:59 +1000 From: DMcD slutsw...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Australia To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: cad0mmpw8zw21wvbksy23fqsvr7f3dv7xfozp2x2nc1zp2us...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I personnaly like the hard copy mag (havent seen the new one yet as in outback WA) H. I'm 30 km from Sydney GPO and have not seen it either! D -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 13:28:29 +1000 From: DMcD slutsw...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Classifieds To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: cad0mmpzum4eepq5ow+026jtmkncsosbf4yagwdkdvnwrgmv...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I understand that it uses commercial software which I expect could be adapted for gliding use If you use Joomla or other free CMS software, you can get add-ons for things like classifieds and chat groups (like this one) for nix. The only real costs is the hosting. If this newsgroup was moved off google and onto some other server then you could have news, classifieds, download the mag and all. Also, the moderator of the forum could censor difficult people and postings. D -- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 13:43:13 +1000 From: Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Classifieds To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: 91e3e3$b0u...@ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed At 01:28 PM 7/07/2011, you wrote: Also, the moderator of the forum could censor difficult people and postings. D ___ Or even anonymous ones. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com -- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 15:10:36 +1000 From: DMcD slutsw...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Classifieds To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: cad0mmpwsnhjvbaash0d5owvvvhzwne8s85h1avk_g5mm+fk...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 You are only saying this because you know in advance that your postings would attract the most censoring? anon or not! Anyway, I'm not anonymous. Dermot McD -- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 14:51:18 +0930 From: Mark Newton new...@atdot.dotat.org Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Classifieds To: Discussion of issues relating to
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Australia!
At 09:35 PM 7/07/2011, you wrote: On 07/07/2011, Grant Davies gr...@davies.id.au wrote: Being only new to Gliding and seeing and hearing about membership issues my two bobs worth is the if Gliding isn't in people's faces how do we expect it to flourish. I look at magazines on flying while in the newsagency and think if I saw one about Gliding I might have joined Gliding earlier. I thought that the numbers showed the GFA didn't have a recruiting problem, it had a retention problem. Cheers, Al ___ As it ever has been Al. Meanwhile in other parts of sport aviation the RAAus membership is headed for 10,000 but you can get a pilot certificate in as little as 20 hours, buy your own aircraft (and maintain it!) and operate independently. I don't think 20 hours is enough but that is what is happening and it seems to be working. 200 hours is nothing short of ridiculous. There are people making a living from teaching both gliding and RAAus who think this is ridiculous too. So instead of buying a motor glider these people buy ultralights instead. Those of you figuring on selling your expensive new or near new glider when you get too decrepit to fly it (sooner rather than later based on the age profile of glider pilots) may be severely disappointed when you do. The comments about classified ads being in or out of the magazine are irrelevant (one at least seemed to be that they should be in the magazine for the entertainment of tyre kickers). The best way to sell anything is to have more keen buyers which simply isn't going to happen. Sad really. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Mixing with people you don't like..
The point about people being your friends is a good one.. They have to mix with people they don't like. LOL, metaphor for life really! Much like going to the footy... You might not like the people, but it's the activity that gives you a jolly! Sorry, back to normal back-biting... ;-) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Aus-Soaring Discussion Activity
Tim, thanks for that info. From discussions with others, many of whom are enthusiastic glider pilots and owner syndicate members, ie committed members, I have heard good feedback about Gliding Australia. Many of these same people are, like me, lurkers or observers on Aus-Soaring who choose not to post here online. Why is that? Some of us do not have much to say. Some believe that certain others have too much to say. Some of us are just eternally weary of GFA-bashing, drum-beating, flame wars, derogatory attacks on individuals and rancid witterings. The climate of negativity here is palpable and most people do not want to wallow in pity parties! Self-fulfilling prophecies are bred by pity parties and incessant negativity. The opposite of leadership, in fact. If the tone and content of dialogue on this forum was more positive, if there were less fear of having your opinions shredded by snide wars, then more people might want to play here. If we had more positive stories, advice, anecdotes, useful info exchange with less ego thumping, the tone might gradually change. Real friends might contribute. Fearnought flameproof suit back on... gliderdrew email sent from my iPad On 08/07/2011, at 9:39 AM, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: Some years ago I produced monthly statistics for the interest of the group. At that time there were around 300 people on the list, but of course I had no way of knowing their names or GFA membership status. In those days some 60-70 (about a quarter) made at least one contribution monthly, but usually over half the contributions were made by only 5 or 6 of us, and over 75% by 10 or 12. The idea that this list reaches a large percentage of GFA members or that the views expressed represent a majority opinion is not supported by these statistics. The list is not limited to GFA members, and appears to have quite a number of people who simply read it, for personal or professional interest. Professional interest could range widely of course, from aviation professionals to glider or instrument manufacturers to regulators of various kinds - the readers may largely be your friends, but this should not be assumed. What is said here is on the public record and those who may be moved to intemperate or insulting language could find it coming back to bite them. This is not the gliding club bar. If 50% of this list are GFA members, it represents about 6%. If 50% of contributors are GFA members, it represents a bit over 1%. Perhaps it is best suited to those of us who like the sound of our own voice. Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-Soaring Discussion Activity
Ditto. - Original Message - From: Drew McKinnie To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc: tshir...@internode.on.net Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 11:49 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Aus-Soaring Discussion Activity Tim, thanks for that info. From discussions with others, many of whom are enthusiastic glider pilots and owner syndicate members, ie committed members, I have heard good feedback about Gliding Australia. Many of these same people are, like me, lurkers or observers on Aus-Soaring who choose not to post here online. Why is that? Some of us do not have much to say. Some believe that certain others have too much to say. Some of us are just eternally weary of GFA-bashing, drum-beating, flame wars, derogatory attacks on individuals and rancid witterings. The climate of negativity here is palpable and most people do not want to wallow in pity parties! Self-fulfilling prophecies are bred by pity parties and incessant negativity. The opposite of leadership, in fact. If the tone and content of dialogue on this forum was more positive, if there were less fear of having your opinions shredded by snide wars, then more people might want to play here. If we had more positive stories, advice, anecdotes, useful info exchange with less ego thumping, the tone might gradually change. Real friends might contribute. Fearnought flameproof suit back on... gliderdrew email sent from my iPad On 08/07/2011, at 9:39 AM, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: Some years ago I produced monthly statistics for the interest of the group. At that time there were around 300 people on the list, but of course I had no way of knowing their names or GFA membership status. In those days some 60-70 (about a quarter) made at least one contribution monthly, but usually over half the contributions were made by only 5 or 6 of us, and over 75% by 10 or 12. The idea that this list reaches a large percentage of GFA members or that the views expressed represent a majority opinion is not supported by these statistics. The list is not limited to GFA members, and appears to have quite a number of people who simply read it, for personal or professional interest. Professional interest could range widely of course, from aviation professionals to glider or instrument manufacturers to regulators of various kinds - the readers may largely be your friends, but this should not be assumed. What is said here is on the public record and those who may be moved to intemperate or insulting language could find it coming back to bite them. This is not the gliding club bar. If 50% of this list are GFA members, it represents about 6%. If 50% of contributors are GFA members, it represents a bit over 1%. Perhaps it is best suited to those of us who like the sound of our own voice. Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-Soaring Discussion Activity
At 11:49 AM 8/07/2011, you wrote: Tim, thanks for that info. From discussions with others, many of whom are enthusiastic glider pilots and owner syndicate members, ie committed members, I have heard good feedback about Gliding Australia. Many of these same people are, like me, lurkers or observers on Aus-Soaring who choose not to post here online. Why is that? Some of us do not have much to say. Some believe that certain others have too much to say. Some of us are just eternally weary of GFA-bashing, drum-beating, flame wars, derogatory attacks on individuals and rancid witterings. The climate of negativity here is palpable and most people do not want to wallow in pity parties! The climate of negativity is mostly in your own mind. If the gliding activity was growing and thriving there would be a good case for keeping doing things the same way. There have been lots of positive and different suggestions for improving the way things are done because gliding is circling the drain. Since 1984-85 the population of Australia has grown by around 30% and they aren't all boat people with no money. In the same time gliding has fallen in half. I doubt that the CEO of Coca Cola or BHP would get to keep his job if he did that to a company. Simply doing the same things but with more effort isn't going to work. Part of the problem is the rise of ultralight aviation which got on a firm footing on 1983. They haven't looked back and are currently heading for 10,000 members and 3000 aircraft. They must be doing something right. Some of this is innate in their activity in that it is just easier and can be carried out with much less fuss and bother on the ground and doesn't require the same dedication of time and personal energy. Soaring as currently structured requires a fanatical level of commitment and I think this is where the retention problem comes in. Many will realise this and simply leave. Others discover they just want to be in the air, not necessarily soar and RAAus is a much more convenient way of doing this. I realise those who are happy with the way their own soaring operation is carried out might not like to hear the above but the numbers don't lie. A little less I'm all right, stuff everybody else i.e. a slightly longer view might alienate fewer people. The GFA was formed so that Australian glider pilots would be spared from excessive and inappropriate regulation. They now have rules that are far more restrictive than those that apply to members of RAAus and even Private Pilots with the exception of the PPL medical requirement which by now could have been removed for recreational pilots except for the efforts of the RAAus and GFA. By any reasonable standard the GFA has failed and lost its reason to exist. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Australia!
I would suggest your major problem is the Blanik, the glider equivalent to the 1961 VW beetle. The weather you cannot control. Tom From: Grant Davies gr...@davies.id.au To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, 8 July 2011 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Australia! On 07/07/2011, Grant Davies gr...@davies.id.au wrote: Being only new to Gliding and seeing and hearing about membership issues my two bobs worth is the if Gliding isn't in people's faces how do we expect it to flourish. I look at magazines on flying while in the newsagency and think if I saw one about Gliding I might have joined Gliding earlier. I thought that the numbers showed the GFA didn't have a recruiting problem, it had a retention problem. Cheers, Al Hh wish someone would tell the punters in our region that. We ran an open day last year and that did net a few new members, then we had our trainer grounded (Blanik) and then it rained and rained and we got bogged (see attached, line up of bogged vehicles, rather hilarious) and a lot of those new members dropped off. So yes retention was an issue but it was more due to weather and lack of an aircraft to keep up momentum. Attracting more members is always on our agenda and our success seems to be commensurate with the amount of exposure we get out there by advertising or turning up to events etc. We have a grant application in for a new aircraft and will get our Blanik back in the air . soon we hope. Kindest Regards Grant Davies ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3749 - Release Date: 07/07/11 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] [Aus-Soaring] What about Gliding gives you a buzz?
In Where Do Good Ideas Come From? - the natural history of innovation Steven Johnson looks at how patterns of creativity and innovation occur. He describes leaps in ideas in terms of the environments that cultivate connections, that coalesce thoughts into movements - it's a good, entertaining, thought-provoking read. Those creative environments include the liquid networks and coffee shops where people can exchange ideas across disciplines and applications, make new connections with people and their thoughts and stories, use solutions in lateral ways, or chill out in ways that re-energise the mind and soul that then bring breakthrough moments in professional life. I love gliding! I was hooked when I started in 1970. It has enriched my life in many ways. Some of my best personal and professional decisions and insights have come about after the recharge and reflection that gliding brings - and many gliding experiences, metaphors, challenges and insights have helped. George Moffat's Winning on the wind has helped me in my cross country flying, my enjoyment of going outside gliding range of home, and also, for example, in my professional negotiation and influencing activities in the context of winning by winning AND by not losing!. There have been hundreds of crossover benefits and insights from gliding. I am a better trainer for being a gliding instructor, a better engineer, mariner, communicator, family man, life partner... That awareness gives me a buzz. I get a huge buzz from training gliding instructors too. The satisfaction that comes from building the right developmental relationship, the skills and knowledge, the right safety awareness and thresholds of intervention, the insights into the psychology or learning and training, a solid approach to instilling airmanship - well that's a buzz. Plus playing Ding Duck or Uncle Drew, the challenging student or passenger. Wave flying is a huge buzz, when you can get into it, on the right day, well prepared, with the right glider and equipment. The feeling we get when flying that lovely laminar lift, a smooth surging airmass with a slight lemonade fizz, like flying upon a fountain, that is sheer magic! To be honest, one of the best buzzes in gliding is just fanging along in a single seater, in company with another, along the face of a seabreeze front or convergence cloud, late in the day, with the afternoon sun casting brilliant circular rainbows aound your shadow on the clouds below. This is the quotation I use on my posts in the club forum: Our souls are connected by the joyous, timeless experience of soaring flight, the contentment of communing with nature at its most majestic and powerful, and the insight that comes from seeing ourselves as a privileged visitor to a magnificent aerial world. What gives you a buzz? gliderdrew email sent from my iPad ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Australia!
At 12:43 PM 8/07/2011, you wrote: I would suggest your major problem is the Blanik, the glider equivalent to the 1961 VW beetle. The weather you cannot control. Tom They are in Bundaberg, home of the Jabiru. There's a RAAus flying school at the airport that uses Jabs. How about a little lateral thinking and having people do some basic training there and then glider conversions? If they stay flying Jabs they weren't going to stay flying gliders anyway. The presence of people learning to fly Jabs with the flying school in order to fly gliders as their goal may even get you some more glider pilots in the slightly longer run. If people think that paying for the power lessons is too expensive they need to rethink as to whether they can afford gliding. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Australia!
***I would suggest your major problem is the Blanik, the glider equivalent to the 1961 VW beetle.* I dont think thats very fair. 1961 beetle is a classic! much more sought after than a blanik. Tom (ok, i'll admit to it. i own a 57 beetle. a kombi, beach buggy and a 67 beetle. no glider though). On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:43 PM, tom claffey to...@yahoo.com wrote: I would suggest your major problem is the Blanik, the glider equivalent to the 1961 VW beetle. The weather you cannot control. Tom -- *From:* Grant Davies gr...@davies.id.au *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Sent:* Friday, 8 July 2011 9:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Australia! On 07/07/2011, Grant Davies gr...@davies.id.au wrote: Being only new to Gliding and seeing and hearing about membership issues my two bobs worth is the if Gliding isn't in people's faces how do we expect it to flourish. I look at magazines on flying while in the newsagency and think if I saw one about Gliding I might have joined Gliding earlier. I thought that the numbers showed the GFA didn't have a recruiting problem, it had a retention problem. Cheers, Al Hh wish someone would tell the punters in our region that. We ran an open day last year and that did net a few new members, then we had our trainer grounded (Blanik) and then it rained and rained and we got bogged (see attached, line up of bogged vehicles, rather hilarious) and a lot of those new members dropped off. So yes retention was an issue but it was more due to weather and lack of an aircraft to keep up momentum. Attracting more members is always on our agenda and our success seems to be commensurate with the amount of exposure we get out there by advertising or turning up to events etc. We have a grant application in for a new aircraft and will get our Blanik back in the air . soon we hope. Kindest Regards Grant Davies ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3749 - Release Date: 07/07/11 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Exposure - T o o w o o m b a Chronicle
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