Re: [Aus-soaring] Oxygen systems
Hello Pam, Give Al Sim (of GoSoaring), a JoeyGlide sponsor a call on: 07 5499 4636 He knows the MH O2 system very well, plus a local to us in SEQ for refilling with ease. Best Regards, WPP On 2012-07-09 05:19:30 + Pam Kurstjens p...@kurstjens.com wrote: I want to put an oxygen cylinder in my ASH31mi with a Mountain High pulse delivery system. What cylinders are most suitable for glider use? What fittings give easiest access to re-filling services in Australia? What sort of good or bad experiences are there in getting Oxygen cylinders refilled commercially? Pam ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Oxygen systems
Hi Pam, Most US bottles will not fit in Schleicher holder. Either a smaller bottle with packing or get a German steel bottle [which will fit, and gives max capacity] and use German DIN44 fittings. An alternative, which both our gliders have is the German bottle with a DIN44 to American std CGA[64?] adapter to use the std US regulator from MH. The adapters are on the MH website, you can then use this adapter for filling. The extra money for the reg with gauge is worth it as the MH bottles have gauge on bottle side of tap but German bottle does not. The US is the aviation standard here. With a refilling kit you can hire a big bottle and refill your own bottles. Talk to Maddog as`well. Regards, Tom From: Pam Kurstjens p...@kurstjens.com To: DDSC c...@ddsc.org.au; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 3:15 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Oxygen systems I want to put an oxygen cylinder in my ASH31mi with a Mountain High pulse delivery system. What cylinders are most suitable for glider use? What fittings give easiest access to re-filling services in Australia? What sort of good or bad experiences are there in getting Oxygen cylinders refilled commercially? Pam ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Oxygen systems
Thanks Tom, that’s helpful. Who supplies the German bottles? We are in Europe for a month, can we carry one on a flight? I expect it would have to be empty if we did? Pam From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 4:41 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Oxygen systems Hi Pam, Most US bottles will not fit in Schleicher holder. Either a smaller bottle with packing or get a German steel bottle [which will fit, and gives max capacity] and use German DIN44 fittings. An alternative, which both our gliders have is the German bottle with a DIN44 to American std CGA[64?] adapter to use the std US regulator from MH. The adapters are on the MH website, you can then use this adapter for filling. The extra money for the reg with gauge is worth it as the MH bottles have gauge on bottle side of tap but German bottle does not. The US is the aviation standard here. With a refilling kit you can hire a big bottle and refill your own bottles. Talk to Maddog as`well. Regards, Tom _ From: Pam Kurstjens p...@kurstjens.com To: DDSC c...@ddsc.org.au; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 3:15 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Oxygen systems I want to put an oxygen cylinder in my ASH31mi with a Mountain High pulse delivery system. What cylinders are most suitable for glider use? What fittings give easiest access to re-filling services in Australia? What sort of good or bad experiences are there in getting Oxygen cylinders refilled commercially? Pam ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Oxygen systems
+1 for Al Sim He helped me with a good system for the Nimbus. -Cath On 09/07/2012, at 3:31 PM, Adam Woolley wrote: Hello Pam, Give Al Sim (of GoSoaring), a JoeyGlide sponsor a call on: 07 5499 4636 He knows the MH O2 system very well, plus a local to us in SEQ for refilling with ease. Best Regards, WPP On 2012-07-09 05:19:30 + Pam Kurstjens p...@kurstjens.com wrote: I want to put an oxygen cylinder in my ASH31mi with a Mountain High pulse delivery system. What cylinders are most suitable for glider use? What fittings give easiest access to re-filling services in Australia? What sort of good or bad experiences are there in getting Oxygen cylinders refilled commercially? Pam ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Oxygen systems
FYI there is a chamber in NZ run by the RNZAF. They welcome glider pilots to use it (helps pay for upkeep!). I went on a hypoxia course organised for Gliding NZ last year, well worth it. Perhaps a bunch of GFA members could get together and pop on over the ditch. Let me know if you need contact details. Cheers JR ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Oxygen systems
Hi Pam Please allow me to clarify the matter. Depending on customer requirements Schleicher installs bottles holders to suit either European or US made oxygen bottles. European oxy bottles are 100 mm whereby US bottles are usually 108 mm in diameter. If your fittings are for European bottles you will not be able to fit the larger diameter US bottles. If you let me know which size bottle you require I will ask Schleicher to submit a quote directly to you. On request the bottle can soon be shipped to Melbourne in a container with two gliders for Victorian customers. This can reduce the shipping costs for you. Please note that the ex-works delivery date of these gliders is the second half of August. Please let me have your thoughts on the matter. Kind regards Bernard - Original Message - From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. @lists.internode.on.net To:tom claffey , Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc: Sent:Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:17:36 +1000 Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] Oxygen systems Thanks Tom, that’s helpful. Who supplies the German bottles? We are in Europe for a month, can we carry one on a flight? I expect it would have to be empty if we did? Pam FROM: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] ON BEHALF OF tom claffey SENT: Monday, 9 July 2012 4:41 PM TO: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. SUBJECT: Re: [Aus-soaring] Oxygen systems Hi Pam, Most US bottles will not fit in Schleicher holder. Either a smaller bottle with packing or get a German steel bottle [which will fit, and gives max capacity] and use German DIN44 fittings. An alternative, which both our gliders have is the German bottle with a DIN44 to American std CGA[64?] adapter to use the std US regulator from MH. The adapters are on the MH website, you can then use this adapter for filling. The extra money for the reg with gauge is worth it as the MH bottles have gauge on bottle side of tap but German bottle does not. The US is the aviation standard here. With a refilling kit you can hire a big bottle and refill your own bottles. Talk to Maddog as`well. Regards, Tom FROM: Pam Kurstjens TO: DDSC ; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. SENT: Monday, 9 July 2012 3:15 PM SUBJECT: [Aus-soaring] Oxygen systems I want to put an oxygen cylinder in my ASH31mi with a Mountain High pulse delivery system. What cylinders are most suitable for glider use? What fittings give easiest access to re-filling services in Australia? What sort of good or bad experiences are there in getting Oxygen cylinders refilled commercially? Pam ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net [4] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring [5] @lists.internode.on.net@yahoo.com Links: -- [1] mailto:p...@kurstjens.com [2] mailto:c...@ddsc.org.au [3] mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net [4] mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net [5] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] CADO versus Hypobaric hypoxia
One paper (see below) concludes that Combined Altitude Depleted Oxygen (CADO) is just as effective a tool for hypoxia awareness training as hypobaric hypoxia. It could be said that an explosive decompression is not a usual scenario for glider pilots at altitude (unless you are in a pressurised cockpit for extreme altitude flights), hence a gradual 'physiological ascent' by turning down the oxygen ratio will simulate the insidious nature of hypoxia during an ascent more realistically. Decompression chambers have been associated with occurrences of the bends, I know of one person who had the bends following a chamber run. Any comment from AvMed types? http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/asma/asem/2010/0081/0009/a rt6 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] CADO versus Hypobaric hypoxia
But then again, there is this presentation that say there are differences between normobaric hypoxia (i.e breathing oxygen poor mixtures at sea level pressure), CADO (in a chamber at 10,000' altitude breathing an oxygen poor mixture) and hypobaric hypoxia ( HH i.e full chamber to 25,000'). It depends whether you want to know what you hypoxia symptoms (in normobaric and CADO) are versus the rapidity of onset in HH (to reinforce the urgency of the situation). Thinking back to my previous post, one cause for sudden hypoxia for glider pilots would be a sudden malfunction of the oxygen supply system or running out of O2! http://www.amma.asn.au/amma2011/downloads/Smith%20-%20Hypoxia.pdf ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Oxygen systems
Check to see which cylinder you can get hydro tested locally. I have thrown away a German cylinder because nobody nearby would test it. Jim From: Pam Kurstjens p...@kurstjens.com To: DDSC c...@ddsc.org.au; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2012 10:15 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Oxygen systems I want to put an oxygen cylinder in my ASH31mi with a Mountain High pulse delivery system. What cylinders are most suitable for glider use? What fittings give easiest access to re-filling services in Australia? What sort of good or bad experiences are there in getting Oxygen cylinders refilled commercially? Pam ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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