Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness
When this was first thrashed through in the 1950s, (in those days the litmus event was a heart attack) and BGA did the review of general aviation in England: accident rate by in-flight event by type of prior medical and the consensus was there was no safety change achieved by aviation medical vs 'drivers license' level medical. That is why the self declaration form came into being and was accepted within the sport, by granny nanny, and under exemption by the regulator. The CASA license requirement, as said before here, aligns procedures to ICAO, and achieves what Australian pilots flying o/s want - a license, so enjoy. My original post was to remind ourselves that it is not helpful to have a single blanket rule for everyone/everything in a sport with such diverse forms (local flying LSA through to international Open Class racer). A rule for the top end kills off the potential at other layers, and the sport as a whole declines. On 18/05/2012, at 6:09 PM, Texler, Michael wrote: Emilis alluded to data to support the converse showing that there was no difference to the accident rate between self reported and medically endorsed pilots. It would be interesting to see that report. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness
I agree that there are different aims between pilots. For flying O/S an ICAO approved licence is great. In Australia at your home club; no certificate and self declared fitness is fine and I don't think will change. Happy Flying, Tom From: emilis prelgauskas emi...@emilis.sa.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Saturday, 19 May 2012 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness When this was first thrashed through in the 1950s, (in those days the litmus event was a heart attack) and BGA did the review of general aviation in England: accident rate by in-flight event by type of prior medical and the consensus was there was no safety change achieved by aviation medical vs 'drivers license' level medical. That is why the self declaration form came into being and was accepted within the sport, by granny nanny, and under exemption by the regulator. The CASA license requirement, as said before here, aligns procedures to ICAO, and achieves what Australian pilots flying o/s want - a license, so enjoy. My original post was to remind ourselves that it is not helpful to have a single blanket rule for everyone/everything in a sport with such diverse forms (local flying LSA through to international Open Class racer). A rule for the top end kills off the potential at other layers, and the sport as a whole declines. On 18/05/2012, at 6:09 PM, Texler, Michael wrote: Emilis alluded to data to support the converse showing that there was no difference to the accident rate between self reported and medically endorsed pilots. It would be interesting to see that report. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] self declared fitness
On 18/05/2012, at 11:56 AM, Texler, Michael wrote: How comfortable people feel about glider pilots flying with self declared fitness to fly can be another topic for discussion! Sometimes, in the rush toward having a rule to satisfy every situation, we sometimes tend to forget that for many (a majority?) of the 2000 sailplaners across Australia are just flying for fun for themselves. They risk themselves (having had that conversation no doubt with loved ones) often in a sailplane they own and so the question has to be asked what is achieved by grandma nanny having a rule for every situation when in the end each glider pilot chooses to fly and takes the consequences of that choice on themselves. (A quite different topic is hiring a glider to someone else, flying more than one in the cockpit, etc.) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness
Any moving vehicle carries with it the responsibility to remain in control - your medical condition puts others potentially at risk if it means your no-longer-piloted glider crashes into someone else or their property. Hardly a nanny-state rule, just common sense surely! Richard McLean From: emilis prelgauskas emi...@emilis.sa.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 2:59 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness On 18/05/2012, at 11:56 AM, Texler, Michael wrote: How comfortable people feel about glider pilots flying with self declared fitness to fly can be another topic for discussion! Sometimes, in the rush toward having a rule to satisfy every situation, we sometimes tend to forget that for many (a majority?) of the 2000 sailplaners across Australia are just flying for fun for themselves. They risk themselves (having had that conversation no doubt with loved ones) often in a sailplane they own and so the question has to be asked what is achieved by grandma nanny having a rule for every situation when in the end each glider pilot chooses to fly and takes the consequences of that choice on themselves. (A quite different topic is hiring a glider to someone else, flying more than one in the cockpit, etc.) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 12:10:58AM -0700, McLean Richard wrote: Any moving vehicle carries with it the responsibility to remain in control - your medical condition puts others potentially at risk if it means your no-longer-piloted glider crashes into someone else or their property. Hardly a nanny-state rule, just common sense surely! So you're saying it's no different from driving, then? - mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness
I believe that a higher vision standard is warranted for a pilot, as opposed to a car driver. My point was really that arguing for a lower medical standard because you choose to fly a single seat glider is not totally logical. From: McLean Richard richardmcl...@yahoo.com.au To: aussoaring aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness I suppose so Mark. The risks are infinitely less I suppose, but they still exist. I'd be pretty pissed off if my loved ones were killed by a glider with an incapacitated or semi-blind pilot. No doubt forums would then be full of people whinging that they had allowed such a thing to happen! From: Mark Newton new...@atdot.dotat.org To: McLean Richard richardmcl...@yahoo.com.au; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 12:10:58AM -0700, McLean Richard wrote: Any moving vehicle carries with it the responsibility to remain in control - your medical condition puts others potentially at risk if it means your no-longer-piloted glider crashes into someone else or their property. Hardly a nanny-state rule, just common sense surely! So you're saying it's no different from driving, then? - mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness, some observations
Some observations. of the 2000 sailplaners across Australia are just flying for fun for themselves. They risk themselves (having had that conversation no doubt with loved ones) often in a sailplane they own Fair enough if the activity doesn't hurt anyone else. I guess to paraphrase, If a tree falls in a forest, does anybody hear it? We using someone else's glider, or carrying other non-pilots, flying over a township etc. it would seem prudent (as it is a legal requirement) to be fit to fly So you're saying it's no different from driving, then? That's if one is prepared to accept the risk of a healthy driver suddenly becoming incapacitated by a de-novo (new onset) medical event and causing the death/injury of another road user. This argument is used by people to counter regular health checks for drivers (i.e. there will be always someone who slips through the net so why bother). Nevertheless health checks can hopefully identify and treat those with health problems to lessen the risk of them becoming incapacitated. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness
One of the nice things about an Australia wide discussion forum (admittedly with a small percentage of sailplaners on it) is that we get to gauge the spread of views (inevitably filling the spectrum). Where Richard I differ is probably in that I've been around a long time and have seen this conversation before - - in the 1950s when Philip Wills headed the view as a result of the accident rates between self declared and medical declared pilots being shown to be the same - in the 1970s when there was the 'we're all gonna die' in the ultralights (now LSA) conversation The 'rules for everyone' approach has the unfortunate consequence of limiting people (and airframes) out of the recreational flying field. hint - GFA member numbers and numbers of 'one off', 'experimental' and 'homebuilt' airframes today vs 10, 20, 30 years past. After 60 years of having such airframes and independent pilots, I think we have enough of a data set to eliminate that worry about 'it'll fall on my head' . On 18/05/2012, at 5:00 PM, McLean Richard wrote: I suppose so Mark. The risks are infinitely less I suppose, but they still exist. I'd be pretty pissed off if my loved ones were killed by a glider with an incapacitated or semi-blind pilot. No doubt forums would then be full of people whinging that they had allowed such a thing to happen! From: Mark Newton new...@atdot.dotat.org To: McLean Richard richardmcl...@yahoo.com.au; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness So you're saying it's no different from driving, then? On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 12:10:58AM -0700, McLean Richard wrote: Any moving vehicle carries with it the responsibility to remain in control - your medical condition puts others potentially at risk if it means your no-longer-piloted glider crashes into someone else or their property. Hardly a nanny-state rule, just common sense surely! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness
I wonder what statistical evidence there is for the added safety value of the Class 2 Medical. Let's also not forget that glider pilots are aging (like their aircraft), so statistically your chance of developing a medical health issue is increased just by virtue of being around longer. Diabetes, high blood pressure can be silently doing you damage. Many chronic medical problems can be better managed when they are diagnosed early, so aviation medicals aside, everyone should have a family GP and visit them once a year for a health check (even the young folk). Pee in a jar, get your blood pressure checked, have your blood glucose and lipids checked. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness
Sorry, that does not answer the question. Where is the evidence that pilots with a Class 2 medical are safer? Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 18/05/2012 18:16, Texler, Michael wrote: I wonder what statistical evidence there is for the added safety value of the Class 2 Medical. Let's also not forget that glider pilots are aging (like their aircraft), so statistically your chance of developing a medical health issue is increased just by virtue of being around longer. Diabetes, high blood pressure can be silently doing you damage. Many chronic medical problems can be better managed when they are diagnosed early, so aviation medicals aside, everyone should have a family GP and visit them once a year for a health check (even the young folk). Pee in a jar, get your blood pressure checked, have your blood glucose and lipids checked. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness
Tim, I don't know about safer but I can name some pilots who I don't think would pass a medical. I have instructed Kerrie to sue and require testing of these pilots should I be killed in a mid-air with them. Tom From: Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness Sorry, that does not answer the question. Where is the evidence that pilots with a Class 2 medical are safer? Untitled Document Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare On 18/05/2012 18:16, Texler, Michael wrote: I wonder what statistical evidence there is for the added safety value of the Class 2 Medical. Let's also not forget that glider pilots are aging (like their aircraft), so statistically your chance of developing a medical health issue is increased just by virtue of being around longer. Diabetes, high blood pressure can be silently doing you damage. Many chronic medical problems can be better managed when they are diagnosed early, so aviation medicals aside, everyone should have a family GP and visit them once a year for a health check (even the young folk). Pee in a jar, get your blood pressure checked, have your blood glucose and lipids checked. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness
Untitled DocumentThe regs self declaration form uses the words to the best of my knowledge. What about the blokes who are known never to go to the Doctor and what about the blokes who do, if they thought they would be stopped flying, would just lie. - Original Message - From: Tim Shirley To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness Sorry, that does not answer the question. Where is the evidence that pilots with a Class 2 medical are safer? Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare On 18/05/2012 18:16, Texler, Michael wrote: I wonder what statistical evidence there is for the added safety value of the Class 2 Medical. Let's also not forget that glider pilots are aging (like their aircraft), so statistically your chance of developing a medical health issue is increased just by virtue of being around longer. Diabetes, high blood pressure can be silently doing you damage. Many chronic medical problems can be better managed when they are diagnosed early, so aviation medicals aside, everyone should have a family GP and visit them once a year for a health check (even the young folk). Pee in a jar, get your blood pressure checked, have your blood glucose and lipids checked. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness
Covers it nicely It's possible to have a medical condition that should preclude you from driving and pass a Class 2 medical - you have to answer NO to a few questions you shouldn't, but you will never be caught unless you have an accident where this was a factor. Passing this medical is like passing the driving test - you don't need to know how to drive, just how to pass. Meanwhile, you are seeing a GP and specialist to manage that condition. Matt On 18/05/2012, at 18:28 , tom claffey wrote: Tim, I don't know about safer but I can name some pilots who I don't think would pass a medical. I have instructed Kerrie to sue and require testing of these pilots should I be killed in a mid-air with them. Tom From: Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness Sorry, that does not answer the question. Where is the evidence that pilots with a Class 2 medical are safer? Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare On 18/05/2012 18:16, Texler, Michael wrote: I wonder what statistical evidence there is for the added safety value of the Class 2 Medical. Let's also not forget that glider pilots are aging (like their aircraft), so statistically your chance of developing a medical health issue is increased just by virtue of being around longer. Diabetes, high blood pressure can be silently doing you damage. Many chronic medical problems can be better managed when they are diagnosed early, so aviation medicals aside, everyone should have a family GP and visit them once a year for a health check (even the young folk). Pee in a jar, get your blood pressure checked, have your blood glucose and lipids checked. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness
No - the medical is only a snapshot of your health taken by a doctor every 12 Months; every other day we go flying we make a self declaration of our personal fitness to fly. Stuart FERGUSON Phone - 0419 797508 On 18/05/2012, at 18:39, Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au wrote: Sorry, that does not answer the question. Where is the evidence that pilots with a Class 2 medical are safer? Fair enough. Emilis alluded to data to support the converse showing that there was no difference to the accident rate between self reported and medically endorsed pilots. It would be interesting to see that report. As a start (anecdotally). From my own experience having worked in AE departments and mortuaries (even allowing for differences in sizes of the participating populations) I have seen much more injury and death from medical incapacity in motor vehicles than in aircraft pilots. In the meantime I will review the literature. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness
Some years ago on the RAAus chat group (before it was shut down by the executive for discussing issues embarrassing to them) this issue was raised. Somebody came up with some official numbers from the USA. Around 1% of accidents in powered aviation where the pilots had an official medical had a medical possible cause. Amongst balloon and glider pilots with self declared medicals that number was around 0.5%. Now I suspect that many glider pilots in the US actually have a power licence also and a possible reason is that glider and balloon pilots have at least twice the accident rate of power due to dumb pilot tricks so the raw numbers don't mean much. In any case medical causes aren't a very large part of aviation accidents for whatever reason. I do agree about having regular medical checks though for your own health and longevity... so you can die of dementia in a geriatric ward. Great. Maybe we should take Rumpole's advice there are no pleasures in life worth foregoing for another 5 years in the geriatric ward. The medical issue is really likely historical from an earlier era when people actually thought governments knew what they were doing (WW1 and WW2 - what were they thinking?). Private pilots were looked upon by governments as a reserve of people with militarily useful skills (Like rifle clubs). They could form an instructor cadre if nothing else. Up until at least the mid 1950s in Australia the government would subsidise a PPL for this reason. Hence the medical, somewhat akin to a military medical. When I started gliding in 1966 it was almost the end but clubs would get a subsidy for glider pilot certificates achieved. Money would go from GFA TO clubs, not the other way. This is no longer a valid consideration but the bureaucratic requirements grind on. CASA is right now seriously considering removing the medical requirements for the PPL (other than an unlimited driver's licence) for day VFR in aircraft up to 1500Kg with only one other occupant than the pilot. This brings it into line with the current RAAus requirement (they've got about as many members as there are PPLs in this country). The CEO is a proponent. This was addressed back in 2002 in the original rec licence proposal that was sabotaged by the GFA and RAAus. The medical issue was addressed in detail in that proposal including the recognition that it was worthless for accident prevention. Maybe these people should declare to their passengers that they don't hold an aviation medical - like the EXPERIMENTAL sign and the Fly in this aircraft at your own risk sign in homebuilts. As a society we try to avoid unnecessary risk to innocent 3rd parties. If you get in car you are risking the person coming at you being suddenly incapacitated and hitting you head on. If you or your loved one rides in car they are taking the same risk that the driver collapses and hits the on coming semi. Given the relative amount of driving vs flying the risks would seem to be small and society accepts these risks. The risk of doing damage to anyone else while flying seems to be much lower. It seems hardly a week goes by without a car or truck hitting a house though. Note in Queensland they no longer test vision for drivers! My optometrist is appalled. He's had people drive in and test legally blind. So maybe a driver's licence and a statement from your optometrist should be enough for flying just to protect the other airspace users although ATSB are doing their best to convince everybody that see and be seen doesn't work. Keep it up fellas and nobody will even bother looking. Bit like you have x seconds to live after entering cloud. Counter productive. Mike . At 06:16 PM 18/05/2012, you wrote: I wonder what statistical evidence there is for the added safety value of the Class 2 Medical. Let's also not forget that glider pilots are aging (like their aircraft), so statistically your chance of developing a medical health issue is increased just by virtue of being around longer. Diabetes, high blood pressure can be silently doing you damage. Many chronic medical problems can be better managed when they are diagnosed early, so aviation medicals aside, everyone should have a family GP and visit them once a year for a health check (even the young folk). Pee in a jar, get your blood pressure checked, have your blood glucose and lipids checked. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness
At 07:06 PM 18/05/2012, you wrote: No - the medical is only a snapshot of your health taken by a doctor every 12 Months; every other day we go flying we make a self declaration of our personal fitness to fly. Stuart FERGUSON Phone - 0419 797508 Correct. Except that it is 24 months for most people and 5 years for those under 40 isn't it? Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness
Mike, I hold a Class One. Regardless of the period between medicals hopefully we will all do a self assessment medical tomorrow morning, pass and go flying ;) SDF Stuart FERGUSON Phone - 0419 797508 On 18/05/2012, at 20:10, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: At 07:06 PM 18/05/2012, you wrote: No - the medical is only a snapshot of your health taken by a doctor every 12 Months; every other day we go flying we make a self declaration of our personal fitness to fly. Stuart FERGUSON Phone - 0419 797508 Correct. Except that it is 24 months for most people and 5 years for those under 40 isn't it? Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness
Excellent point, Stuart. Same situation as a Form 2 or pilot Flight Review. Many medically-induced aviation accidents have happened to pilots holding current medical certificates, just as there have been failures of aircraft systems after a major inspection. More points of reference from another land. The FAA are considering using the drivers licence instead of a medical for private pilots. Exercising private privileges in powered aircraft in the USA currently requires a class 3 medical, valid for 24 months. If your last medical was failed, you cannot legally make the medical statement for LSA or Glider. Similar to the 3rd class medical, pilot reviews are done every two years. A BFR in glider serves as a BFR in Single Engine, or vice versa. Jim From: Stuart Kerri FERGUSON s...@bigpond.net.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 2:06 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness No - the medical is only a snapshot of your health taken by a doctor every 12 Months; every other day we go flying we make a self declaration of our personal fitness to fly. Stuart FERGUSON Phone - 0419 797508___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness
Excellent point, Stuart. Same situation as a Form 2 or pilot Flight Review. Maybe we need a second signature to tell us if we are healthy enough to fly?!? Kindest Regards Grant Davies From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jim Staniforth Sent: Saturday, 19 May 2012 2:19 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness Many medically-induced aviation accidents have happened to pilots holding current medical certificates, just as there have been failures of aircraft systems after a major inspection. More points of reference from another land. The FAA are considering using the drivers licence instead of a medical for private pilots. Exercising private privileges in powered aircraft in the USA currently requires a class 3 medical, valid for 24 months. If your last medical was failed, you cannot legally make the medical statement for LSA or Glider. Similar to the 3rd class medical, pilot reviews are done every two years. A BFR in glider serves as a BFR in Single Engine, or vice versa. Jim _ From: Stuart Kerri FERGUSON s...@bigpond.net.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 2:06 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness No - the medical is only a snapshot of your health taken by a doctor every 12 Months; every other day we go flying we make a self declaration of our personal fitness to fly. Stuart FERGUSON Phone - 0419 797508 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
