[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRICK WALL...

2009-08-28 Thread Carlos Bertemes
Oh Thank you, this is what we call an End of Line that has the same explanation
Thank you very much

   
Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil
Pesquisando: 
Santa Catarina, Alemanha, Franca, Holanda, Belgica, Espanha
Portugal, Italia, Luxemburgo
Reinert, Jungklaus, Van der Gocht, Ottekier, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Bertemes, 
Schilling, Fiorenzano, Feijo, Martins, Costa, Dutra, Dias, Silveira, Gato, 
Sodre,
Andre, Arruda, Aguiar, Lemos, Machado, Mattos, Silveira, Mello, Miranda, Leal
Quadrado, Rebello, Marques, Brasil, Teixeira, Baptista, Jorge, Van der Burggerie

--- Em qui, 27/8/09, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com escreveu:


De: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRICK WALL...
Para: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Quinta-feira, 27 de Agosto de 2009, 23:07



Brick wall is a term that genealogists use to explain an ancestor
that they cannot get past.  They are stuck there.  They keep trying to
research and research, but it feels like they have run into a brick
wall.

The dictionary says this:
an immovable block or obstruction the plan ran into a brick wall

Cheri




  

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRICK WALL...

2009-08-28 Thread Thomas da/de Costa Vasconcelos Rodrigues Gouveia Oliveira Cabral

I am starting to get tempted to participate in this DNA thing. With
the help of this group, my paternal line back has been traced back a
few hundred years in Sao Miguel, along the highway from Moisteros to
Ferreria, centering on Bretanha(da Costa Vasconcellos Camelo Rodrigues
Oliveira etc)

Where can I find out more on this DNA stuff?

On Aug 28, 9:17 am, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:
 Carlos,

 Not quite.

 End of line is when you run out of the records.  You take the line back
 probably to about the Middle Ages (1400s or 1500s, unless you hit a royal
 line).

 Brick wall seems like an end of line, but the person is probably stuck in
 the 1800s still.  For the Portuguese researcher, it may be because it's the
 immigrant and the researcher doesn't know where to look next, or has looked
 and hasn't found the freguesia written on that document.  They get the
 records that state Azores or Western Islands.  They haven't given up,
 they just haven't found the right document.

 In American research, ancestors get labeled brick walls because there are
 many courthouses that burned during the American Civil War (I don't know how
 many burned courthouses are in Canada).  We don't think of these as end of
 line, but as a brick wall, because we think there has to be a better way
 around these records.  I had one American ancestor, born 1814 in a burned
 out county.  That means that there was a fire at one time that destroyed
 all or most of the records that are kept in the American courthouse back
 then.  I thought I knew who his parents were, but since the county burned, I
 couldn't look up the will that his father wrote.  I knew he wasn't the end
 of the line, but I was blocked (brick wall) from doing any further
 research.  I eventually used DNA to figure out that line and was able to
 take it to the 1600s.

 In my Portuguese research, I have Manuel Furtado  Marianna da Trindade.
 Both from Vila Franca (he's Sao Miguel Arcanjo and she's Sao Pedro).  They
 should have married in the 1770s.  We've searched about 5 freguesias west
 and 5 freguesias east and can't find their marriage.  The Sao Pedro church
 has about 5 missing pages in the 1770s.  We think that is where their
 marriage is. We don't think this is the end of the line because sooner or
 later we'll either find them as godparents or witnesses to something or I'll
 have to use DNA to figure it out.

 Does that explain the little bit of difference between the two?

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
 Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: AZEVEDO PEREIRA BRICK WALL

2009-08-28 Thread Mary Bordi


On Aug 27, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Guida Leicester wrote:

  Perhaps there's a connection between us, because there are Pereiras  
 and Teixeiras back in my line, too.

I am finding this interesting, too. My ancestors came from Sao Jorge  
and lived in Marin County for a while in the late 1870 to mid 1880s  
before moving south to San Mateo County.

I, too, have Pereiras and Teixeiras in my line. Both from Norte Grande  
and Rosais. I think the names were pretty common there!

Mary Bordi

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: AZEVEDO PEREIRA BRICK WALL

2009-08-28 Thread Marek Delacroix
To let you know...I also have Pereiras and Teixeiras, Sao Jorge, in my line.





From: Mary Bordi geneal...@hununu.org
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:09:23 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: AZEVEDO PEREIRA BRICK WALL



On Aug 27, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Guida Leicester wrote:

  Perhaps there's a connection between us, because there are Pereiras  
 and Teixeiras back in my line, too.

I am finding this interesting, too. My ancestors came from Sao Jorge  
and lived in Marin County for a while in the late 1870 to mid 1880s  
before moving south to San Mateo County.

I, too, have Pereiras and Teixeiras in my line. Both from Norte Grande  
and Rosais. I think the names were pretty common there!

Mary Bordi



  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Brick wall

2009-08-28 Thread George Pacheco

Talking about brick walls i have 2 here is

The Child Evangelina Pacheco born 1884 in S. Pedro Ponta Delgada,
father i Manuel Pacheco from  S. Miguel Vila Franca mother Albina Rosa
from Matriz de Ponta Delgada, maternal grandparents Francisco Nunes
and Margarida Candida I searched for Albin's Birth and Parents
marriage , in Matriz, S. Jose, . Pedro Ponta Delgada, also search S.
pedro Vila franca, S, miguel vila franca, found no marriage and no
birth .
George Pacheco, i need to send for marriage of manuel and Alvbin ain
Mqatriz  2884 not available on film to get more clues

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http://www.geocities.com/bretanha1954/

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Thank you for NEHGS birth/marriage - success - question first name Efigena

2009-08-28 Thread bellemarco
I want to thank all of you who looked up the birth record for John Silva on  
NEHGS. I am not sure if the birth record found is him but through that  
effort someone found the marriage record his parents that I have been  
looking for a long time, Maria Victor Pedro. Unfortunately, the NEHGS index  
lists her as Pedras and well as the marriage certificate I received from  
NB. But I paid extra and asked for the Notice of Intention of marriage (the  
form they themselves filled out to obtain the license) and her name is  
Maria Victor Pedro. I believe she shares the same father as my Isabel (my  
BRICK WALL) but a different mother. I am now in contact with one of her  
family members. Hurrah!!

Her husband was born in Lisbon. His mother's name is Efigena Souza. Has  
anyone ever heard of this first name?

E

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with a search

2009-08-28 Thread sarabelm

Hi Group,

 I was hoping someone who has access to Ancestry or city directories or 
some other databases could help me. I have so little info. 

 I'm looking for the parents of?? Jeffrey A. Andrade?? who was born in San 
Jose, CA about 1944. He grew up on No. 3rd Street in San Jose but I think the 
family had been at that location before his birth.

 I'd like to find his parents names. A child of Jeffrey is looking for 
family info and says she thinks her grandparents came from the Azores. Her mom 
was?separated from? Jeffrey ?when this child was a baby and her mom doesn't 
remember who his parents were and doesn't have any paperwork because she wasn't 
married. 

 I know it's a slim chance.?

Arline Silveira in Grover Beach, CA

 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRICK WALL...BRIO

2009-08-28 Thread Marek Delacroix
Thank you Edgar...I have that info and can not get any thing more than that 
thus far.  Yes, I have done the county thing...thats how I know when he 
arrived, when he became a citizen etc..Thanks again





From: eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:44:45 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRICK WALL...BRIO



Marek, 

I see him on the 1880 in Hawkinsville, and on the 1870 in Yreka as Joseph 
Francis with wife Amelia, daughter Mary and son Joseph.Says he was born in the 
Western Islands in 1832.



Have you shook out all the local history sources for Siskyiou county yet?

Eric Edgar

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Marek Delacroix marekdelacr...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

Brick Wall Family Member:
   My great great grandfather was Joseph Francis Brio,  more likely, Jose 
Francisco, last name could be spelled Brejo. I have also seen his last name as 
Braio.  He was born on Flores, Azore Islands 1835.  Came to America in 1854, 
was granted citizenship papers in Boston, Mass on April 24, 1854.  He married 
a woman named Amelia, nothing else known about her.  I have heard her maiden 
name could have been Brio, and Joseph's surname could have been Francis. They 
ended-up in Yreka, Siskiyou County CA. Both are buried at St. Joseph Catholic 
Cemetery in Yreka, CA.  Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
   Also...I was reading the census from Yreka, Siskiyou county, CA.  And it 
states someone was born in Ireland...help appreciated!!





  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] More info on DNA

2009-08-28 Thread Cheri Mello
(Reposting so it doesn't get lost in the other thread):
Thomas said:
I am starting to get tempted to participate in this DNA thing. With
the help of this group, my paternal line back has been traced back a
few hundred years in Sao Miguel, along the highway from Moisteros to
Ferreria, centering on Bretanha(da Costa Vasconcellos Camelo Rodrigues
Oliveira etc)

Where can I find out more on this DNA stuff?

Depends on what kind of stuff...

Ordering page with a little bit of info:
http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=AzoresIslands

Main page at Family Tree DNA:
www.familytreedna.com
(lots of general links explaining DNA there)

Summary of the book Trace Your Roots with DNA on the Azores Genweb:
http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/dna.html

Y-DNA results for the Azores project so far (120 men):
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Azores/default.aspx?section=yresults

mtDNA results for the Azores project (70 people)
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Azores/default.aspx?section=mtresults

Or just ask a question or email me or Rick Pimentel.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Need help reading NY manifest on either Ellisrecords or Ancestry - Antonio de Souza e Silva

2009-08-28 Thread bellemarco
I found Antonio de Souza e Silva's manifest on both Ancestry and Ellis  
Island records. He is on the ship Campania departing from Liverpool and  
arriving in NY July 2, 1910. He is listed as (first name-Antonio de Sonja)  
(last name-Silva). SONJA is the spelling they used. I would like to know  
where he was born in Lisbon...something like Fregueiro dos Vinhos. Also, he  
is going to his brother Horacio Souza de Silva, Hope St., Fall River.  
Anyone have any knowledge of him? So far, I cannot find Horacio on 1910  
census in Fall River. How would Horacio be Americanized besides Horace or  
Horatio?

Thank you.
Elaine

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with a search

2009-08-28 Thread Patti Perna
Hi Arline,

For info on old telephone directories, go to the Library of Congress at:
http://www.loc.gov/rr/genealogy/bib_guid/telephon.html

Patti





From: sarab...@aol.com sarab...@aol.com
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:50:51 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with a search


Hi Group,
 I was hoping someone who has access to Ancestry or city directories or 
some other databases could help me. I have so little info. 
 I'm looking for the parents of   Jeffrey A. Andrade   who was born in San 
Jose, CA about 1944. He grew up on No. 3rd Street in San Jose but I think the 
family had been at that location before his birth.
 I'd like to find his parents names. A child of Jeffrey is looking for 
family info and says she thinks her grandparents came from the Azores. Her mom 
was separated from  Jeffrey  when this child was a baby and her mom doesn't 
remember who his parents were and doesn't have any paperwork because she wasn't 
married. 
 I know it's a slim chance. 
Arline Silveira in Grover Beach, CA
 


  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with a search

2009-08-28 Thread Rosemarie Capodicci
Arline 

Vital Search shows: 

Jeffrey Lynn born 27 Jan 1944, mother Botts, Santa Clara County, CA
Jeoffrey Alan born 24 Jun 1944, Mother Startk born Los Angeles Cnty, CA. 

Rosemarie 
  - Original Message - 
  From: sarab...@aol.com 
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  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:50 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with a search


  Hi Group,
   I was hoping someone who has access to Ancestry or city directories or 
some other databases could help me. I have so little info. 
   I'm looking for the parents of   Jeffrey A. Andrade   who was born in 
San Jose, CA about 1944. He grew up on No. 3rd Street in San Jose but I think 
the family had been at that location before his birth.
   I'd like to find his parents names. A child of Jeffrey is looking for 
family info and says she thinks her grandparents came from the Azores. Her mom 
was separated from  Jeffrey  when this child was a baby and her mom doesn't 
remember who his parents were and doesn't have any paperwork because she wasn't 
married. 
   I know it's a slim chance. 
  Arline Silveira in Grover Beach, CA
   

  

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Brick Walls (some of them)

2009-08-28 Thread Eliseu Manuel Pacheco da Silva
My brick walls (some of them)

(Mostly Porto Formoso, S. Miguel, Açores)

 

Amaro da Silva married to Maria Francisca

They had:

José da Silva, died around 1800, married to Rita dos Anjos, born around
1745, Porto Formoso (my direct line).

Sebastião de Araújo, married to Maria de Melo.

Manuel de Araújo, married to Maria de Medeiros.

 

 

João de Aguiar married to Teresa de Paiva from Porto Formoso

They had:

Manuel de Aguiar married to Antónia de Araújo

Tiveram:

António de Paiva Cabral married to Joana de Araújo (both born around 1750)

 

 

Francisco Pacheco Marques born around 1834 at Porto Formoso married to Maria
da Conceição in Porto Formoso

They had:

Manuel Pacheco Marques (born in USA about 1856 ???)  married to Agostinha
Tavares at the Sandwich Islands (?). Agostinha or Augustinha, or Augustina,
was born at Santana, Vale das Furnas, S. Miguel, Açores

 

 

João de Sousa Adão (João de Sousa Adam) born in Valle das Furnas (emigrated
to Hawaii?) married to Maria Tavares from Vale das Furnas, S. Miguel,
Açores.

They had:

Agostinha or Augustinha, or Augustina, was born at Santana, Vale das Furnas,
S. Miguel, Açores, or was born in Hawaii ???

 

 

These are my 7th great grandparents:

Manuel de Arruda married to Ana Francisca (around 1750)

Manuel da Silva married to ? da Conceição (around 1750)

José da Costa married to Maria dos Anjos (around 1750)

Francisco Raposo married to Genoveva de Medeiros (around 1750)

 

 

…enough for today!

 


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Anyone know this Souza Silva family Fall River MA

2009-08-28 Thread bellemarco
Horacio de Souza e Silva was b. abt. 1886 in Estremadura, Figueiro dos  
Vinhos, Portugal. He married Rita Correia Silva, b. abt. 1883, Fayal, dau.  
of Francisco Correia da Silva. I believe their children are Clothilde and  
Zulmira b. abt. 1912, probably Fall River MA. Horacio went back and forth  
to Portugal several times.

Anyone related, know of this family? Funny thing is I cannot find them on  
US census records.

E

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with a search

2009-08-28 Thread sarabelm

Dear Judi,

 Thanx for the info. I had not found this one. I don't think it's him 
because I'm pretty sure he was born in San Jose.

However, I will print out the info and put it in my folder. Who knows? It might 
be a relative.

Thanks for your kindness,

Arline




Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2009 1:25 pm
Subject: : Help with a search



I found a Jeoffrey Alan Andrade born 24 Jun 1944 in Los Angeles, mother's 
maiden name is Stark.? His first name is spelled differently, so this may be a 
hint.??If this is him, I can look further tomorrow.? Off to read microfilm 
shortly.
Judi
?


Hi Group,

 I was hoping someone who has access to Ancestry or city directories or 
some other databases could help me. I have so little info. 

 I'm looking for the parents of?? Jeffrey A. Andrade?? who was born in San 
Jose, CA about 1944. He grew up on No. 3rd Street in San Jose but I think the 
family had been at that location before his birth.

 I'd like to find his parents names. A child of Jeffrey is looking for 
family info and says she thinks her grandparents came from the Azores. Her mom 
was?separated from? Jeffrey ?when this child was a baby and her mom doesn't 
remember who his parents were and doesn't have any paperwork because she wasn't 
married. 

 I know it's a slim chance.?

Arline Silveira in Grover Beach, CA

 





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Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] Costa Family

2009-08-28 Thread Joao S. Lopes
Tomas was born at 6-apr-1716- source: NEPS  
http://www.neps.ics.uminho.pt/hortaconceicao.html







De: Carlos Bertemes bremen...@yahoo.com.br
Para: azo...@googlegroups Azores@googlegroups.com
Cc: Gene_Portugal_Brasil gene_portugal_bra...@yahoogrupos.com.br; 
portugal-...@yahoogroups.com
Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 27 de Agosto de 2009 19:23:13
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Costa Family


Dear Friends, 
I am looking for Costa from Faial Island.
My 6th ggrfather Thomaz Francisco da Costa born around 1723 in Nossa Senhora da 
Conceicao, Horta, Faial. He died in Desterro, Santa Catarina, Brasil in 
14/jun/1796, married in Desterro in 29/apr/1750 to Mariana Jacinta da Vitoria 
de Faria. 
He is the son of Miguel Vieira de Mello and Helena Eliza Barbara de Aguiar.
His Paternal grandparents are Miguel Vieira and Isabel de Mello and maternal 
are Domingo Guerreiro de Aguiar and Maria da Conceicao.

My 6th ggrmother Mariana Jacinta da Vitoria de Faria was born around 1729 in 
Espirito
Santo, Feteira, Faial, the daughter of  Francisco Dutra de Faria and Maria de 
Faria.
 
Could anyone of you give me further informations on these families so I could 
continue
to work on this side of my family? 
 
Thank you very much

   
Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil
Pesquisando: 
Santa Catarina, Alemanha, Franca, Holanda, Belgica, Espanha
Portugal, Italia, Luxemburgo
Reinert, Jungklaus, Van der Gocht, Ottekier, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Bertemes, 
Schilling, Fiorenzano, Feijo, Martins, Costa, Dutra, Dias, Silveira, Gato, 
Sodre,
Andre, Arruda, Aguiar, Lemos, Machado, Mattos, Silveira, Mello, Miranda, Leal
Quadrado, Rebello, Marques, Brasil, Teixeira, Baptista, Jorge, Van der 
Burggerie 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with a search

2009-08-28 Thread sarabelm

Dear Rosemarie,

 Thanx for the info. I tried looking into Vital Search and it says there is 
free info but when I try to look, it says I have to pay 39.95 to become a 
member. That's why I don't belong to anything. For the once a year or so that I 
need info, it isn't worth it. 

 Anyway, muita obrigada,

sua prima,

Arline




Arline 

?Vital Search shows: 

?

Jeffrey Lynn born 27 Jan 1944, mother Botts, Santa Clara County, CA

Jeoffrey Alan born 24 Jun 1944, Mother Startk born Los Angeles Cnty, CA. 

?Rosemarie 




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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with a search

2009-08-28 Thread Cheri Mello
Hi Arline,

Ancestry censuses only go to 1930.  There are a lot of Andrades in the city
directory.  I'll send it to you privately.

Since Jeffery is living, I'll send you some other birth info I found out
about him in another database.

Cheri

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