[AZORES-Genealogy] Registo Civil in Terceira

[joyce house]

I'm hoping someone would know how much it costs to request a Baptismo, 
Casamento or Obit from a Registo Civil on the island of Terceira.

Joyce House

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.  Click in the blue area on the right 
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.

[AZORES-Genealogy] Happy PASSOVER , Feliz Pascoa

[Karlushko]

Happy PASSOVER to everyone 
Happy EASTER tooo
 
Feliz Passover
Feliz Pascoa a todos


Karlushko - Itajai/SC - New York/USA
Pesquisando: 
Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha
Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, 
Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias,  Dutra,  Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, 
Gaspar, Gato, 
Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, Marques, Martins, 
Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, Nunes, Oliveira, 
Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, Silveira, 
Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, Ottekier, 
Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse,
Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus.

--- Em qua, 31/3/10, Karlushko  escreveu:


De: Karlushko 
Assunto: Re: [sc-gen] Re: Enc: [Imigração Alemã] Famílias de Tijucas - Marc 
Rich Dumont
Para: sc_...@yahoogrupos.com.br
Data: Quarta-feira, 31 de Março de 2010, 22:16

















Pois e, eu nao tinha visto sua mensagem a scgen ate depois de eu te-la reenviado

Valeu a intencao, nao tens nada que agradecer, tambem preciso de muita ajuda
heheheheh
 
Feliz Pascoa para voce

Karlushko - Itajai/SC - New York/USA
Pesquisando: 
Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha
Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, 
Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias,  Dutra,  Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, 
Gaspar, Gato, 
Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, Marques, Martins, 
Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, Nunes, Oliveira, 
Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, Silveira, 
Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, Ottekier, 
Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse,
Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus.

--- Em qua, 31/3/10, Cristina  escreveu:


De: Cristina 
Assunto: [sc-gen] Re: Enc: [Imigração Alemã] Famílias de Tijucas - Marc Rich 
Dumont
Para: sc_...@yahoogrupos.com.br
Data: Quarta-feira, 31 de Março de 2010, 22:14


Muito obrigada Karlushko pela ajuda. 
Também já tinha enviado aqui para o SC_gen...
Vamos aguardar.
Um abraço
Cristina

--- Em sc_...@yahoogrupos.com.br, Karlushko  escreveu
>
> Reenviando, talvez voces possam dar uma luz ao assunto
>  
> Obrigado galera
> 
> 
> Karlushko - Itajai/SC - New York/USA
> --- Em qua, 31/3/10, Cristina  escreveu:
> 
> 
> De: Cristina 
> Assunto: [Imigração Alemã] Famílias de Tijucas - Marc Rich Dumont
> Para: imigracaoal...@yahoogrupos.com.br
> Data: Quarta-feira, 31 de Março de 2010, 17:50
> 
> 
> Olá colegas!
> Gostaria de saber se alguém que pesquisa a região de Tijucas, São JOão 
> Batista,
> teria conhecimento de um tal de Marc Rich Dumont, um francês que vivia na 
> região
> e tinha terras no século XIX?
> Estou pesquisando essa família a qual descobri dias atrás que é de um dos meus
> antepassados...
> Obrigada
> Cristina Iuskow
> 
> Pesquisando: Bade, Bode, Marc Rich Dumont, Subtil de Oliveira
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *** Para mais informações sobre IMIGRAÇÃO ALEMÃ NO BRASIL acesse: 
> www.tonijochem.com.br
> *** Para enviar mensagem para o FÓRUM: 
> imigracaoal...@yahoogrupos.com.br
> *** Para assinar o FÓRUM: 
> imigracaoalema-subscr...@yahoogrupos.com.br
> *** Para cancelar assinatura: 
> imigracaoalema-unsubscr...@yahoogrupos.com.br
> Para visitar o site do FÓRUM acesse:
> http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/imigracaoalema/Links do Yahoo! Grupos
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       
>
> Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados
> http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com
>






Links do Yahoo! Grupos

<*> Para visitar o site do seu grupo na web, acesse:
    http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/sc_gen/

<*> Para sair deste grupo, envie um e-mail para:
    sc_gen-unsubscr...@yahoogrupos.com.br

<*> O uso que você faz do Yahoo! Grupos está sujeito aos:
    http://br.yahoo.com/info/utos.html





Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! + Buscados: Top 10 - 
Celebridades - Música - Esportes 


__._,_.___ 


Suas configurações de e-mail: E-mail individual |Tradicional 
Alterar configurações via web (Requer Yahoo! ID) 
Alterar configurações via e-mail: Alterar recebimento para lista diária de 
mensagens | Alterar para completo 
Visite seu grupo | Termos de Uso do Yahoo! Grupos | Descadastrado 


__,_._,___


  

Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados
http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Googl

[AZORES-Genealogy] Requesting vital records

[joyce house]

I hope that someone can tell me how much it costs to request a baptism, 
marriage or obituary record from a Registo Civil office on the island of 
Terceira today.

Joyce House

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.  Click in the blue area on the right 
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records

[Jacki G]

I agree Rick. It could have been that. It also could be that the "story" has
gotten skewed so-to-speak in the telling. 
 
So far, I haven't found her birth record. I will eventually though, I hope.
Right now my focus is on my ancestors from Sao Miguel. She was from Faial.
Hopefully, by the time I switch focus, Faial will have more records on line.
 
Jacki
Pittsburg, California, USA
Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Pereira, Azevedo,
Furtado, Rapoza
Islands: Faial & Sao Miguel
  _  

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:15 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records



That seems kind of strange. I would suspect that the priest knew who the
parents of your 3d great grandparents were and it was more of a matter of a
close relation ship and they could not get a dispensation. 

 

If you could find her birth record it would be interesting. 

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, New Hampshire, USA

Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores  

for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha 

 

-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jacki G.
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:25 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records

 

I have never actually seen a record like that but it doesn't surprise me
that they would identify if it that way. My 3rd great grandmother according
to family history was never allowed to actually marry my 3rd great
grandfather because she was the result of a rape. Her mother ended up in the
Azores due to a shipwreck and she was raped by one of the sailors.  The
catholic church labeled her (the baby) as "unclean" and would not allow the
marriage. So they just lived together for 60 years and had 9 children. 

 

I've wondered how they would label her birth. 

 

 

Jacki

Pittsburg, California, USA

Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Pereira, Azevedo,
Furtado, Rapoza

Islands: Faial & Sao Miguel

 

 

  _  

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9.35 AM
To: azores group
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records

Greetings,
 
I've been reading all of the baptisms for Topo for 1860...I've seen
2 unusual records that I've never seen before and wonder if anyone else has
seen similar records. One of them says the birth is to a solteria and in
parentheses it says (vulgar assault), the other says the woman was married
but the child was due to adultery. I had often wondered if some of those
"roda" babies were due to assault by pirates but the records never indicated
it so since this one did I guess they do put it on the records. Has anyone
ever seen other records in Sao Jorge such as these?
 
Regards,
Nancy Jean

  _  

The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
Get started.
  

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." 

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.  Click in the blue area on the right 
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores live chat

[Karlushko]

Its very interesting, thank you, but when I try to chat its closed
We all could use it together at the same time to chat about genealogy


Karlushko - Itajai/SC - New York/USA
Pesquisando: 
Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha
Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, 
Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias,  Dutra,  Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, 
Gaspar, Gato, 
Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, Marques, Martins, 
Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, Nunes, Oliveira, 
Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, Silveira, 
Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, Ottekier, 
Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse,
Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus.

--- Em qua, 31/3/10, Marek Delacroix  escreveu:


De: Marek Delacroix 
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores live chat
Para: Azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Quarta-feira, 31 de Março de 2010, 22:40






Thought this site may be of interest to some of us http://www.azoreslive.com/

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that 
says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."


  

Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados
http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.  Click in the blue area on the right 
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records

[Jacki G]

Nancy,
 
Well, now that I am at home and looking at my tree, she is my great great
grandmother, not my 3rd.  I should never rely on my memory, I swear...
 
She was born about 1860 but according to past family members, she was born
on Faial. I haven't found any proof of that yet though. 
 
Jacki
Pittsburg, California, USA
Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Pereira, Azevedo,
Furtado, Rapoza
Islands: Faial & Sao Miguel

  _  

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:05 PM
To: azores group
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records


Hi Jackie,
 
   That's an interesting story..sad, but interesting so 3rd
grandmother.about what year was she born? I'm just curious because it
seems odd to me that I've never seen these kinds of records before and I've
read so many Sao Jorge records.the only other one that ever alluded to
such was from 1872 in Rosais that said the child was from the "crime" of
incest. Other than that they are all so similar regarding the births to
single mothers.
 
Regards,
Nancy
 

  _  

From: ja...@cdmmarketing.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:24:56 -0700


I have never actually seen a record like that but it doesn't surprise me
that they would identify if it that way. My 3rd great grandmother according
to family history was never allowed to actually marry my 3rd great
grandfather because she was the result of a rape. Her mother ended up in the
Azores due to a shipwreck and she was raped by one of the sailors.  The
catholic church labeled her (the baby) as "unclean" and would not allow the
marriage. So they just lived together for 60 years and had 9 children. 
 
I've wondered how they would label her birth. 
 
 
Jacki
Pittsburg, California, USA
Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Pereira, Azevedo,
Furtado, Rapoza
Islands: Faial & Sao Miguel
 

  _  

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9.35 AM
To: azores group
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records


Greetings,
 
I've been reading all of the baptisms for Topo for 1860...I've seen
2 unusual records that I've never seen before and wonder if anyone else has
seen similar records. One of them says the birth is to a solteria and in
parentheses it says (vulgar assault), the other says the woman was married
but the child was due to adultery. I had often wondered if some of those
"roda" babies were due to assault by pirates but the records never indicated
it so since this one did I guess they do put it on the records. Has anyone
ever seen other records in Sao Jorge such as these?
 
Regards,
Nancy Jean


  _  

The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
Get
 started. 
-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." 
-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." 

  _  

Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
Learn More.
  

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.  Click in the blue area on the right 
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

To unsubscribe, reply usin

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Diniz family in Hayward, CA

[eric edgar]

Celeste,

I'll bet the marriage is recorded in the Alameda County records. The films
are at the Recorders office at 12th and Madison.

Eric

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 6:23 PM, celeste perry  wrote:

>   Thank you, again, Eric.  This leads me to believe this couple married
> here and not in the Azores and gives me another idea to look for the
> marriage, in the churches in the Fremont area that existed before 1899.
> Celeste, Hayward, CA
>
>
> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>
> --- On *Wed, 3/31/10, eric edgar * wrote:
>
>
> From: eric edgar 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Diniz family in Hayward, CA
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 10:56 AM
>
>
>  Celeste,
>
> Here is the information from the 1900 census:
>
> Alameda County, Washington Township, Supervisors district 1,  ED 401.
>
> Diniz, John M,  Head,   white,  Male,  born-June 1866,  33 years old,
> married for 3 years, born in Portugal, both parents also, immigrated to US
> in 1888, 12 years in the US, alien.
>
> farm laborer. Cannot read or write, can speak English. Owns his home, has a
> mortgage.
>
> Diniz, Maria, wife, white, female, Aug 1879, 20 years old, married 3 years,
> 1 child born , 1 child living
>
> born Portugal, both parents also, immigrated 1893, 7 years in the US, no
> occupation listed, can read, write and speak English.
>
> Diniz, Arthur, son, white , male, born Oct 1899, California
>
> Eric
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:20 PM, celeste perry 
> http://us.mc506.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ccgran...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
>>   Hi Eric,
>>Is there any chance you could type out the information on the
>> attachment you sent?  I can't make it large enough to read.  Thanks, again.
>> Celeste, Hayward, CA
>>
>>
>> Celeste Perry 
>> ccgran...@yahoo.com
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 3/30/10, eric edgar 
>> http://us.mc506.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=noblankt...@gmail.com>
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: eric edgar 
>> http://us.mc506.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=noblankt...@gmail.com>
>> >
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Diniz family in Hayward, CA
>> To: 
>> azores@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 11:33 AM
>>
>>   Celeste,
>>
>> The shiplist here of Jan 1908 shows brothers Jose and Jacinto Avila Areias
>>  traveling to Hayward California to join friend Joao M Diniz.  They are from
>> Villa Nova, Terceira. It's in the Concelho of Praia da Vitoria. Good chance
>> that's where Joao is from.
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:30 AM, celeste perry 
>> http://us.mc506.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ccgran...@yahoo.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Arthur,
>>>I live in Hayward, CA and have been trying to help a friend whose
>>> grandmother was named Mary Deniz.  My friend's mother was known as Mamie
>>> Deniz and, as you probably know, many women were named Maria and used Mary,
>>> Mamie, and Mae as their first name here in the USA.  Also, I have seen Diniz
>>> spelled, Deniz, Dinis, Denis and Dennis.
>>>In any case, the Mary Deniz that is my friend's grandmother was
>>> married to John (Joao) M. Deniz Machado.  This Mary used the name Mary
>>> Machado Deniz.
>>>In 1914, in the Mt. St. Joseph Cemetery records, Mr. John M. Deniz
>>> Machado purchased 4 graves and in one of them he buried his 10 month old
>>> son, Alexander (Alex) Deniz Machado.
>>>In the same records, Mae (Mammie Dolores) Rose was buried in 1929.
>>>In 1934, Mary Machado Deniz (wife of John M. Deniz Machado) was
>>> buried.
>>>In 1941, Frank Lewis (Rebello) was buried.  The funeral home from
>>> which he was buried lists his wife as Mamie Lewis and his parents as
>>> Francisco Lewis Rebello and Filomena Augusta Medeiros both from the Azores.
>>>In the 1920 census, Mary was listed as divorced and had a son, Arthur
>>> L. who was 20 years old; a son, John who was 18 years old and a daughter,
>>> Mamie M. who was 16 years old.  The father of these children was listed as
>>> being born in the Azores.
>>>I am trying to find the birth place of John & Mary.  I have Azores on
>>> the 1920 census; however, I need, at least the island to begin searching for
>>> their birth.
>>>   Does any of this information match the Mary Diniz you visited in
>>> Hayward?
>>> Celeste, Hayward, CA
>>>
>>> Celeste Perry 
>>> ccgran...@yahoo.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
>>> azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive.
>>> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail
>>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the
>>> right that says "

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Angel Island, Calif

[Cheri Mello]

Marek,

Looks like there is an immigration port there.

Check the LDS catalog to see what was filmed.  The bigger ports for Azoreans
were on the east coast (Providence, Boston, New Bedford, New York) and then
to HI and I think somewhat to San Francisco.  But I've heard of a couple of
stories where they did come in through a lesser known port.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.  Click in the blue area on the right 
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Nancy,

Hmm, that's a tough one.  The scan is fantastic (thanks Joao!)  Once you get
used to the writing, it's not too terrible, but why did he have to scrawl
there?

More eyes are needed!  For those wanting to take a look (use IE or Safari,
not Firefox):
http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/biblioteca_digital/SJCTB1860-1869/SJCTB1860-1869_item1/P82.html
Or use this TinyURL if that one doesn't work:
http://tinyurl.com/yexhcsv

On the second page, the 3rd & 4th lines from the bottom:
... son natural (first of the name) of Anna Victorina Reis? (can't quite
make that out)
and of Joao Silvania? (? ?) natives and living in this ... etc etc.

Cheri

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.  Click in the blue area on the right 
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.

[AZORES-Genealogy] Azores live chat

[Marek Delacroix]

Thought this site may be of interest to some of us http://www.azoreslive.com/


  

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.  Click in the blue area on the right 
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.

[AZORES-Genealogy] folar doce de Páscoa - Easter br ead

[bellemarco]

HAPPY EASTER EVERYONE!! A gift for you to read and maybe weep:

http://scw.tearn.com/2010/03/portuguese-bakery-keeps-old-world.html

"E"

--
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into 
your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.  Click in the 
blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my 
membership."

To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.

[AZORES-Genealogy] Angel Island, Calif

[Marek Delacroix]

Did Azoreans come into Angel Island, CA at all?


  

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.  Click in the blue area on the right 
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Diniz family in Hayward, CA

[celeste perry]

Thank you, again, Eric.  This leads me to believe this couple married here and 
not in the Azores and gives me another idea to look for the marriage, in the 
churches in the Fremont area that existed before 1899.  Celeste, Hayward, CA

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com

--- On Wed, 3/31/10, eric edgar  wrote:


From: eric edgar 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Diniz family in Hayward, CA
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 10:56 AM



Celeste, 
 
Here is the information from the 1900 census:

Alameda County, Washington Township, Supervisors district 1,  ED 401.
 
Diniz, John M,  Head,   white,  Male,  born-June 1866,  33 years old, married 
for 3 years, born in Portugal, both parents also, immigrated to US in 1888, 12 
years in the US, alien. 
 
farm laborer. Cannot read or write, can speak English. Owns his home, has a 
mortgage.
 
Diniz, Maria, wife, white, female, Aug 1879, 20 years old, married 3 years, 1 
child born , 1 child living
 
born Portugal, both parents also, immigrated 1893, 7 years in the US, no 
occupation listed, can read, write and speak English.
 
Diniz, Arthur, son, white , male, born Oct 1899, California
 
Eric
 
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:20 PM, celeste perry  wrote:






Hi Eric,
   Is there any chance you could type out the information on the attachment you 
sent?  I can't make it large enough to read.  Thanks, again.  Celeste, Hayward, 
CA 


Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


--- On Tue, 3/30/10, eric edgar  wrote:



From: eric edgar 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Diniz family in Hayward, CA
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 11:33 AM






Celeste, 
 
The shiplist here of Jan 1908 shows brothers Jose and Jacinto Avila Areias  
traveling to Hayward California to join friend Joao M Diniz.  They are from 
Villa Nova, Terceira. It's in the Concelho of Praia da Vitoria. Good chance 
that's where Joao is from.
 
Eric Edgar
 
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:30 AM, celeste perry  wrote:







Hi Arthur,
   I live in Hayward, CA and have been trying to help a friend whose 
grandmother was named Mary Deniz.  My friend's mother was known as Mamie Deniz 
and, as you probably know, many women were named Maria and used Mary, Mamie, 
and Mae as their first name here in the USA.  Also, I have seen Diniz spelled, 
Deniz, Dinis, Denis and Dennis.  
   In any case, the Mary Deniz that is my friend's grandmother was married to 
John (Joao) M. Deniz Machado.  This Mary used the name Mary Machado Deniz.  
   In 1914, in the Mt. St. Joseph Cemetery records, Mr. John M. Deniz Machado 
purchased 4 graves and in one of them he buried his 10 month old son, Alexander 
(Alex) Deniz Machado.
   In the same records, Mae (Mammie Dolores) Rose was buried in 1929.
   In 1934, Mary Machado Deniz (wife of John M. Deniz Machado) was buried.
   In 1941, Frank Lewis (Rebello) was buried.  The funeral home from which he 
was buried lists his wife as Mamie Lewis and his parents as Francisco Lewis 
Rebello and Filomena Augusta Medeiros both from the Azores.
   In the 1920 census, Mary was listed as divorced and had a son, Arthur L. who 
was 20 years old; a son, John who was 18 years old and a daughter, Mamie M. who 
was 16 years old.  The father of these children was listed as being born in the 
Azores.
   I am trying to find the birth place of John & Mary.  I have Azores on the 
1920 census; however, I need, at least the island to begin searching for their 
birth.
  Does any of this information match the Mary Diniz you visited in Hayward?
Celeste, Hayward, CA

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that 
says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words 
"REMOVE ME" as the subject.


-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that 
says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words 
"REMOVE ME" as the subject.





-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vac

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records

[Marralha]

In a message dated 3/31/2010 5:49:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
gfsche...@gmail.com writes: 
> Thanks for shedding some light on that!  I knew that many people in the 
> village probably knew who the father was, but it never dawned on me that the 
> priest heard it in confession.  Thanks for sharing.
Boy, if only they had not been bound by the seal of the confessional...so 
many genealogical dead ends would have been solved! Happy Easter!

John

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.  Click in the blue area on the right 
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records

[Cheri Mello]

Hi John,

Thanks for shedding some light on that!  I knew that many people in the
village probably knew who the father was, but it never dawned on me that the
priest heard it in confession.  Thanks for sharing.

Cheri

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.  Click in the blue area on the right 
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.

[AZORES-Genealogy] marriage license - Velas

[mikeg]

Looking for marriage license of Jose Miguel Pires and Anica Janela
(may be Maciel) sometime around 1910-1920 in Velas. Both were from
Beira. Very interested in any listed parents/grandparents, especially
Anica Janela. Checked CCA but couldn't any records for that period.
Any suggestions?

Obrigado,

Mike

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.  Click in the blue area on the right 
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records

[Marralha]

In a message dated 3/31/2010 3:46:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
gfsche...@gmail.com writes: 
> Perhaps the priest.  Most don't give a lot of detail (the supply of paper 
> and ink could be one factor).  I remember sitting once with George Pacheco 
> in N.Dartmouth and I found a baptism that didn't follow the norm.  George 
> took a look and in the baptism the priest documented that he asked the 
> mother 3 times who the father was and she stated every time she didn't know, 
> but that the priest felt that she did indeed know who the father of her baby 
> was.  And he wrote something to that effect in the document.  Another time, 
> on a marriage, there was a line that didn't follow the norm (or it was the 
> first time that I had ancestors get married around Easter).  It said that 
> they had fulfilled their Lenten duties or something like that.
In this particular case I would venture to guess that the priest had heard 
the annual obligatory Easter Duty confession of the "father" and the priest 
may very well have known who the father was. But, because he was bound by 
the seal of confession, he could never confront the child's mother and tell 
her that "so and so" had told him in confession that he had fathered a child 
with... Those small villages had one (maybe 2) priests. They knew everybody 
personally, and since Easter Duty was obligatory, they heard everybody's 
confession every year. They knew who was having illicit sex with whom. They 
knew 
who had abandoned their baby. Those priests must have suppressed smiles 
when they recorded "pai não sabido". Happy Easter!

John

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.  Click in the blue area on the right 
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records

[nancy jean baptiste]

Ooops..sorry about the url! It's the Antonio.
 


From: gfsche...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:46:09 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Nancy, 
The URL or something is needed to navigate to that particular record, because 
the # 2 that I found was a Maria, filha legitimata.  Nothing unusual there.

Perhaps the priest.  Most don't give a lot of detail (the supply of paper and 
ink could be one factor).  I remember sitting once with George Pacheco in 
N.Dartmouth and I found a baptism that didn't follow the norm.  George took a 
look and in the baptism the priest documented that he asked the mother 3 times 
who the father was and she stated every time she didn't know, but that the 
priest felt that she did indeed know who the father of her baby was.  And he 
wrote something to that effect in the document.  Another time, on a marriage, 
there was a line that didn't follow the norm (or it was the first time that I 
had ancestors get married around Easter).  It said that they had fulfilled 
their Lenten duties or something like that.

I think those are more of a rare find though.  I think most priests and scribes 
just did what they were told and followed the form for writing a baptism.  They 
had no idea that people would be looking at them hundreds of years later for 
clues!

Cheri





-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that 
says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
   
_
Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_1

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.  Click in the blue area on the right 
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records

[Cheri Mello]

Nancy,
The URL or something is needed to navigate to that particular record,
because the # 2 that I found was a Maria, filha legitimata.  Nothing unusual
there.

Perhaps the priest.  Most don't give a lot of detail (the supply of paper
and ink could be one factor).  I remember sitting once with George Pacheco
in N.Dartmouth and I found a baptism that didn't follow the norm.  George
took a look and in the baptism the priest documented that he asked the
mother 3 times who the father was and she stated every time she didn't know,
but that the priest felt that she did indeed know who the father of her baby
was.  And he wrote something to that effect in the document.  Another time,
on a marriage, there was a line that didn't follow the norm (or it was the
first time that I had ancestors get married around Easter).  It said that
they had fulfilled their Lenten duties or something like that.

I think those are more of a rare find though.  I think most priests and
scribes just did what they were told and followed the form for writing a
baptism.  They had no idea that people would be looking at them hundreds of
years later for clues!

Cheri

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.  Click in the blue area on the right 
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records

[rfrancispimentel]

That seems kind of strange. I would suspect that the priest knew who the
parents of your 3d great grandparents were and it was more of a matter
of a close relation ship and they could not get a dispensation. 

 

If you could find her birth record it would be interesting. 

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, New Hampshire, USA

Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and
Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores  

for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha 

 

-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jacki G.
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:25 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records

 

I have never actually seen a record like that but it doesn't surprise me
that they would identify if it that way. My 3rd great grandmother
according to family history was never allowed to actually marry my 3rd
great grandfather because she was the result of a rape. Her mother ended
up in the Azores due to a shipwreck and she was raped by one of the
sailors.  The catholic church labeled her (the baby) as "unclean" and
would not allow the marriage. So they just lived together for 60 years
and had 9 children. 

 

I've wondered how they would label her birth. 

 

 

Jacki

Pittsburg, California, USA

Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Pereira, Azevedo,
Furtado, Rapoza

Islands: Faial & Sao Miguel

 

 

  _  

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9.35 AM
To: azores group
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records

Greetings,
 
I've been reading all of the baptisms for Topo for 1860...I've
seen 2 unusual records that I've never seen before and wonder if anyone
else has seen similar records. One of them says the birth is to a
solteria and in parentheses it says (vulgar assault), the other says the
woman was married but the child was due to adultery. I had often
wondered if some of those "roda" babies were due to assault by pirates
but the records never indicated it so since this one did I guess they do
put it on the records. Has anyone ever seen other records in Sao Jorge
such as these?
 
Regards,
Nancy Jean

  _  

The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your
inbox. Get started.
  

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions
when they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the
right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my
membership."

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions
when they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the
right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my
membership."

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.  Click in the blue area on the right 
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Jackie,

 

   That's an interesting story..sad, but interesting so 3rd 
grandmother.about what year was she born? I'm just curious because it seems 
odd to me that I've never seen these kinds of records before and I've read so 
many Sao Jorge records.the only other one that ever alluded to such was 
from 1872 in Rosais that said the child was from the "crime" of incest. Other 
than that they are all so similar regarding the births to single mothers.

 

Regards,

Nancy
 


From: ja...@cdmmarketing.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:24:56 -0700




I have never actually seen a record like that but it doesn't surprise me that 
they would identify if it that way. My 3rd great grandmother according to 
family history was never allowed to actually marry my 3rd great grandfather 
because she was the result of a rape. Her mother ended up in the Azores due to 
a shipwreck and she was raped by one of the sailors.  The catholic church 
labeled her (the baby) as "unclean" and would not allow the marriage. So they 
just lived together for 60 years and had 9 children. 
 
I've wondered how they would label her birth. 
 


 
Jacki
Pittsburg, California, USA
Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Pereira, Azevedo, Furtado, 
Rapoza
Islands: Faial & Sao Miguel
 



From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9.35 AM
To: azores group
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records


Greetings,
 
I've been reading all of the baptisms for Topo for 1860...I've seen 2 
unusual records that I've never seen before and wonder if anyone else has seen 
similar records. One of them says the birth is to a solteria and in parentheses 
it says (vulgar assault), the other says the woman was married but the child 
was due to adultery. I had often wondered if some of those "roda" babies were 
due to assault by pirates but the records never indicated it so since this one 
did I guess they do put it on the records. Has anyone ever seen other records 
in Sao Jorge such as these?
 
Regards,
Nancy Jean



The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get 
started. 

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that 
says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." 

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that 
says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
   
_
Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_1

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.  Click in the blue area on the right 
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Cheri,

 

Perhaps it's just this particular priest with the need to give full 
informationI just saw another record which is similarfirst word vulgar 
but I can't tell what the second word is.not assault like the first 
oneperhaps you could look at it...Topo baptisms...1863.record # 2I 
just find these odd because after reading several thousand records and never 
seeing this now I've seen 3 odd ones by the same priest.

 

Thanks for the insights,

Nancy
 


From: gfsche...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:22:39 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Nancy,

I would guess that "vulgar assault" would be a rape by today's standards.  They 
language was just different for it then.  I'm sure a native speaker could shed 
more light on that.  I would guess that rapes or vulgar assaults have been 
around since the beginning of time, but now it is more widely reported and 
receives more press in the news.  I would guess that back in the 1800s (or 
earlier) it was considered something that the woman did to deserve it.  Very 
different perception then.

I've seen a record on Sao Miguel where it says the baby was born to the man, 
single, adulterer and to the woman, married to so-and-so.  By today's standards 
though, the woman was the adulterer, as she was the one who was married.  I 
guess that would make the man a "player?"  Is that the current lingo for men 
who mess around with married women?

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada





-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that 
says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
   
_
Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your 
inbox.
http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.  Click in the blue area on the right 
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records

[Cheri Mello]

Nancy,

I would guess that "vulgar assault" would be a rape by today's standards.
They language was just different for it then.  I'm sure a native speaker
could shed more light on that.  I would guess that rapes or vulgar assaults
have been around since the beginning of time, but now it is more widely
reported and receives more press in the news.  I would guess that back in
the 1800s (or earlier) it was considered something that the woman did to
deserve it.  Very different perception then.

I've seen a record on Sao Miguel where it says the baby was born to the man,
single, adulterer and to the woman, married to so-and-so.  By today's
standards though, the woman was the adulterer, as she was the one who was
married.  I guess that would make the man a "player?"  Is that the current
lingo for men who mess around with married women?

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.  Click in the blue area on the right 
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Diniz family in Hayward, CA

[eric edgar]

Celeste,

Here is the information from the 1900 census:

Alameda County, Washington Township, Supervisors district 1,  ED 401.

Diniz, John M,  Head,   white,  Male,  born-June 1866,  33 years old,
married for 3 years, born in Portugal, both parents also, immigrated to US
in 1888, 12 years in the US, alien.

farm laborer. Cannot read or write, can speak English. Owns his home, has a
mortgage.

Diniz, Maria, wife, white, female, Aug 1879, 20 years old, married 3 years,
1 child born , 1 child living

born Portugal, both parents also, immigrated 1893, 7 years in the US, no
occupation listed, can read, write and speak English.

Diniz, Arthur, son, white , male, born Oct 1899, California

Eric

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:20 PM, celeste perry  wrote:

>   Hi Eric,
>Is there any chance you could type out the information on the attachment
> you sent?  I can't make it large enough to read.  Thanks, again.  Celeste,
> Hayward, CA
>
>
> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>
> --- On *Tue, 3/30/10, eric edgar * wrote:
>
>
> From: eric edgar 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Diniz family in Hayward, CA
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 11:33 AM
>
>   Celeste,
>
> The shiplist here of Jan 1908 shows brothers Jose and Jacinto Avila Areias
>  traveling to Hayward California to join friend Joao M Diniz.  They are from
> Villa Nova, Terceira. It's in the Concelho of Praia da Vitoria. Good chance
> that's where Joao is from.
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:30 AM, celeste perry 
> http://us.mc506.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ccgran...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
>>Hi Arthur,
>>I live in Hayward, CA and have been trying to help a friend whose
>> grandmother was named Mary Deniz.  My friend's mother was known as Mamie
>> Deniz and, as you probably know, many women were named Maria and used Mary,
>> Mamie, and Mae as their first name here in the USA.  Also, I have seen Diniz
>> spelled, Deniz, Dinis, Denis and Dennis.
>>In any case, the Mary Deniz that is my friend's grandmother was married
>> to John (Joao) M. Deniz Machado.  This Mary used the name Mary Machado
>> Deniz.
>>In 1914, in the Mt. St. Joseph Cemetery records, Mr. John M. Deniz
>> Machado purchased 4 graves and in one of them he buried his 10 month old
>> son, Alexander (Alex) Deniz Machado.
>>In the same records, Mae (Mammie Dolores) Rose was buried in 1929.
>>In 1934, Mary Machado Deniz (wife of John M. Deniz Machado) was buried.
>>In 1941, Frank Lewis (Rebello) was buried.  The funeral home from which
>> he was buried lists his wife as Mamie Lewis and his parents as Francisco
>> Lewis Rebello and Filomena Augusta Medeiros both from the Azores.
>>In the 1920 census, Mary was listed as divorced and had a son, Arthur
>> L. who was 20 years old; a son, John who was 18 years old and a daughter,
>> Mamie M. who was 16 years old.  The father of these children was listed as
>> being born in the Azores.
>>I am trying to find the birth place of John & Mary.  I have Azores on
>> the 1920 census; however, I need, at least the island to begin searching for
>> their birth.
>>   Does any of this information match the Mary Diniz you visited in
>> Hayward?
>> Celeste, Hayward, CA
>>
>> Celeste Perry 
>> ccgran...@yahoo.com
>>
>> --
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
>> azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive.
>> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail
>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the
>> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my
>> membership."
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+
>> unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE
>> ME" as the subject.
>>
>
> --
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
> azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive.
> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail
> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right
> that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+
> unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE
> ME" as the subject.
>
>
> --
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
> azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive.
> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail
> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
> http://groups.google.com/group/Azor

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records

[Jacki G.]

I have never actually seen a record like that but it doesn't surprise me
that they would identify if it that way. My 3rd great grandmother according
to family history was never allowed to actually marry my 3rd great
grandfather because she was the result of a rape. Her mother ended up in the
Azores due to a shipwreck and she was raped by one of the sailors.  The
catholic church labeled her (the baby) as "unclean" and would not allow the
marriage. So they just lived together for 60 years and had 9 children. 
 
I've wondered how they would label her birth. 
 
 
Jacki
Pittsburg, California, USA
Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Pereira, Azevedo,
Furtado, Rapoza
Islands: Faial & Sao Miguel
 

  _  

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9.35 AM
To: azores group
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records


Greetings,
 
I've been reading all of the baptisms for Topo for 1860...I've seen
2 unusual records that I've never seen before and wonder if anyone else has
seen similar records. One of them says the birth is to a solteria and in
parentheses it says (vulgar assault), the other says the woman was married
but the child was due to adultery. I had often wondered if some of those
"roda" babies were due to assault by pirates but the records never indicated
it so since this one did I guess they do put it on the records. Has anyone
ever seen other records in Sao Jorge such as these?
 
Regards,
Nancy Jean


  _  

The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
Get started.
  

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.  Click in the blue area on the right 
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.

[AZORES-Genealogy] odd records

[nancy jean baptiste]

Greetings,

 

I've been reading all of the baptisms for Topo for 1860...I've seen 2 
unusual records that I've never seen before and wonder if anyone else has seen 
similar records. One of them says the birth is to a solteria and in parentheses 
it says (vulgar assault), the other says the woman was married but the child 
was due to adultery. I had often wondered if some of those "roda" babies were 
due to assault by pirates but the records never indicated it so since this one 
did I guess they do put it on the records. Has anyone ever seen other records 
in Sao Jorge such as these?

 

Regards,

Nancy Jean
  
_
The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_3

-- 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when 
they arrive.
For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail 
(vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.  Click in the blue area on the right 
that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."

To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.