[AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Genealogy Conference - SLC - Day 1

[Cheri Mello]

We mainly got through the bumps and glitches overall.  So that's good!


We've got a couple of people finding things on the NEPS site.  Tonight we
had people on microfilm learning to "read" the records.  Perseverance is the
key in learning to read some of this stuff.  Afterwards we had a few of us
hanging out in the hotel lobby.  Kathy Cardoza was in the hotel "library"
(right off the lobby) demonstrationg Reunion to some of the Mac users
(thanks, Kathy!).  A couple of others were also in the hotel "library"
showing tricks to using Ancestry.com.

More later.  I'm pretty tired.  I've been going and going since Monday
afternoon.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] do Coracao de JESUS

[Joao S. Lopes]

Coracao de Jesus (= Jesus's Heart) was a devotional name, and women in the 
XVIIIth century specially, have mainly such names, frequently without familiar 
surnames: "do Nascimento", "da Luz", "de Jesus", "de Santo ...", "da Piedade", 
da Trindade. Sometimes, these devotional names got "frozen" and became familiar 
inherited surnames.

JS Lopes





De: Sam Koester 
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 23 de Junho de 2010 18:45:34
Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] do Coracao de JESUS

 
Others with more knowledge will
no doubt answer you but; my thoughts are, “no” Antonia is part of her “given”
name.  Whether you call it part of her first name, her middle name or one of
the names she was know by; it’s pretty much all the same.  I, personally, would
not call Coracao de Jesus part of her first name.  It is devotional, in my
opinion, not what we would consider a “given” name.
 
Again, just my two cents worth.
Sam in CA
 
From:azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Michelle
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:21 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] do Coracao de JESUS
 
My
cousin recently found some of our family at the NEPS site (Sao Roque, Pico) and
my ggrandmother's name is shown as:
Maria Antonia do Coracao de JESUS
She
was listed under Rosa but her husband was Anacleto Francisco daRosa, so if "do 
Caracao
de Jesus" is part of her first name then would Antonia be her surname?
 
Thank
you,
Michelle
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society

[Arlene Marcoux]

I am glad your mom found a note to confirm what I sent you.  Glad I could 
help.
I see that many answered your question about names.  I also have Ursula in 
my ancestors.
There was no law that you had to give your child any last name other than 
the one they gave at baptism.  I believe it was in 1944 they changed the law 
to add father's last name.  In Brazil as well as the Azores.  There 
religious names were probably given to them at the time of their 
Confirmation in the Church.


Arlene



- Original Message - 
From: "Cindy D" 

To: "Azores Genealogy" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:01 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society


Arlene...

Thought you'd want to know that the information you provided IS my
family.  My mom dug out a note with info from her aunt that never
really made sense before, but with your information, we understand now
that the note says Margarida had 2 sisters, Ana and Mary and one
brother, Frank which is on the money with your information.  I cannot
thank you enough for this.  I'd have looked for a thousand years
before I'd have figured it out on my own.  Thank you, thank  you,
thank you!

I started entering it my tree program yesterday, but I'm puzzled about
the names.  Maria Ursula do Coacao de Jesus, her parents are Antonio
Caetano Martins and Maria Usula.her father has a different last
name?  Is there something here that would tell me Maria's mother's
maiden name?

I've had great difficulty with the namingis there someplace I can
go to learn about how they get their names??

Thank you again,
Cindy D
Kansas



On Jun 14, 1:48 pm, "Arlene Marcoux"  wrote:

Cindy,
I found this in the book, "Familias da Ilha dasFlores":

José António Pimentel, Parents.. António José Pimentel and Maria Claudina,
married Maria Ursula do Coração de Jesus from S. Caetano, her parents
António Caetano Martins and Maria Usula. From the Morros.
Children were: Maria b.8/6/1876; Francisco b.8/12/1877; Margarida
b.6/17/1879; Ana b.2/27/1882.

I am sorry but it does not list any other families that is connected to
them.

Arlene M.



- Original Message -
From: "Cindy D" 
To: "Azores Genealogy" 
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 8:07 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re:FloresGenealogy and Drinking Society

I dug out myFloresfamily. I don't have much to share, just scant
information. I keep hoping to be connected to someone.

Here's myFloresfamily:

Margarida Ursela Pimentel, b June 1879 inFlores, immigrated alone at
age 15 to New Bedford
(married Jose da Silva, of San Miguel, 1897, in New Bedford who
later became Joseph S Sylvia)

Margarida (Maggie) parents: Jose Antonia (could be Antonio) 
Pimentel -Flores

Maria Ursela Pimentel -Flores

I believe Margarida had a brother "Frank" who married Annie Martin.

That's it. That's all I know. I only got that from the New Bedfored
marriage records. I don't even know if Maggie's parents came here.
Don't know Maggie's death date yet either but my mom thinks she was
buried at St. John's in New Bedford, so I don't have a death
certificate that might have had additional information. Maggie's
parents were both Pimentels? Or did Maggie not know her mother's
maiden name? I'm dead in the water on anything further.

Cindy D
On the Kansas Plains

On Jun 6, 11:32 pm, John Vasconcelos  wrote:
> I've become envious of the "Ponta Garca Gang" and the "Cabral Travassos
> Country Club" and their good fortune in finding cousins. So I hereby
> establish the "FloresGenealogy and Drinking Society". WeFlorespeople
> are
> not so fortunate as our more easterly "cousins".Floreswas subject to the
> plunderings of Pirates and Privateers which took a toll on our ancestors
> and
> their institutions. According to historical accounts,Floreswas attacked
> by
> Privateers in the mid 1600's who burned every church on the Island. As a
> result most records before the late 1600's were lost. Even the records 
> on

> neighboring Corvo go back earlier, to the early 1600's, as I recall.

> The earliest documented marriage that I have discovered among my 
> ancestors

> was that of Manoel Pimentel to Isabel de Freitas, Nov 26, 1692, Santa
> Cruz,
>Floreswho were my 4G Grandparents (He had been married previously, in the
> 1680's as I recall). His parents were Domingos Nunes and Marianna Fraga,
> date and place of birth unknown although it was probably Santa Cruz,
>Flores.
> I would venture a guess that Marianna was related to Diogo das Chagas,
> whose
> mother was also a Fraga. Her parents were Domingos Fernandez and 
> Catarina

> de
> Freitas.

> How about it, any cousins out there with these same ancestors?
> John Vasconcelos

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cabral/Travassos

[Linda Norton]

I didn't realize beyond Luzia Lenor that I was related to de Couto. So I'm
in the Country Club, too? How exciting!
 
Thanks for all that information I couldn't have done it without you, John
Raposo, JR, Rick, and Hermano. I wish I could have done the research myself,
but I don't have the time to get to all the resources as you all have done.
Maybe when I retire I can really concentrate on putting everything in order.
 
Thanks again,
 
Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton

  _  

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
mances
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 9:38 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cabral/Travassos


Hi Linda,
 
Here is an attachment with a simplified version of your genealogical chart
that leads you, through your maternal side, back to Diogo Gonçalves de
Travassos and D. Violante Velho Cabral.
 
Manoel Cesar Furtado
Brasil
 

- Original Message - 
From: Linda   Norton 
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 11:25 PM
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cabral/Travessos

I'm still trying to figure out if I'm related as well. Waiting to hear from
JR. I'm related to Manoel Cesar and Hermano Pires.  I'm related to Rick
Pimental, too, but he is saying not on that side.
 
Linda (Borges) Furtado Norton

 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] CCA - Instructions

[Gayle Machado]

Cheri,

Do you have any instructions on how to use the CCA database ? My cousin came 
for a visit today and it came up in our conversation. Unfortunately, since I 
haven't used the website, I couldn't explain it to her. Can you help ?

Thanks, 
Gayle


-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com on behalf of Cheri Mello
Sent: Tue 6/22/2010 4:57 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Access to CCA - Agua do Pau
 
I heard back from the CCA.

<>

I'll let you know if I hear more.
Leaving on a plane for SLC,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] do Coracao de JESUS

[Gayle Machado]

Michelle,

Maria is an extremely common given name. There may be 2 or 3 sisters within the 
same family all named Maria, so they need an additional name to distinguish one 
from the other, e.g. Maria Clara, Maria Josefa, Maria Teresa, etc. You can 
think of them as a first and middle name or as two first names, its totally up 
to you how you want to record them. The upper classes often added more names 
for baptism and confirmation. Now, that can get confusing. 

I also found "do Coracao de Jesus" in Candelaria and Sao Mateus on Pico. Many 
women used religious names rather than familial surnames. It just makes our 
searching all the more fun. 

Gayle


-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com on behalf of Michelle
Sent: Wed 6/23/2010 1:20 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] do Coracao de JESUS
 
My cousin recently found some of our family at the NEPS site (Sao Roque, Pico) 
and my ggrandmother's name is shown as:
  Maria Antonia do Coracao de JESUS
She was listed under Rosa but her husband was Anacleto Francisco da Rosa, so if 
"do Caracao de Jesus" is part of her first name then would Antonia be her 
surname?

Thank you,
Michelle

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names

[celeste perry]

Cindy,
   The best way I have found to think of Portuguese names, first, middle, last, 
is that there is no convention for names.  If you remember this, you will do 
fine with what you find.
   Several male siblings (same mother & father) can have different surnames.  I 
have found that (depending on the time period) males (usually) had first, 
middle & last names (many times not the surname I expected.
   Again, depending on the time period, women had first and middle (usually 
christian) names.  THEY did not have surnames in ANY of the records I have seen 
for certain time periods.  When they were baptized, only their first name was 
used in the record.  When they married, their first & middle names were usually 
used (unless they were the widow of ... (his name was written in full).  When 
they died, again, their first & middle name and if their husband died before 
them, they were listed as the widow of... (deceased husband's full name was 
listed.
   The lack of naming convention can drive you crazy and, still, we do find the 
information we seek with a lot of tenacity and help from others.
   Celeste, Hayward, CA

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com

--- On Wed, 6/23/10, Cindy D  wrote:


From: Cindy D 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society
To: "Azores Genealogy" 
Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 5:01 AM


Arlene...

Thought you'd want to know that the information you provided IS my
family.  My mom dug out a note with info from her aunt that never
really made sense before, but with your information, we understand now
that the note says Margarida had 2 sisters, Ana and Mary and one
brother, Frank which is on the money with your information.  I cannot
thank you enough for this.  I'd have looked for a thousand years
before I'd have figured it out on my own.  Thank you, thank  you,
thank you!

I started entering it my tree program yesterday, but I'm puzzled about
the names.  Maria Ursula do Coacao de Jesus, her parents are Antonio
Caetano Martins and Maria Usula.her father has a different last
name?  Is there something here that would tell me Maria's mother's
maiden name?

I've had great difficulty with the namingis there someplace I can
go to learn about how they get their names??

Thank you again,
Cindy D
Kansas



On Jun 14, 1:48 pm, "Arlene Marcoux"  wrote:
> Cindy,
> I found this in the book, "Familias da Ilha dasFlores":
>
> José António Pimentel, Parents.. António José Pimentel and Maria Claudina,
> married Maria Ursula do Coração de Jesus from S. Caetano, her parents
> António Caetano Martins and Maria Usula.  From the Morros.
> Children were:  Maria b.8/6/1876;  Francisco b.8/12/1877;  Margarida
> b.6/17/1879;  Ana b.2/27/1882.
>
> I am sorry but it does not list any other families that is connected to
> them.
>
> Arlene M.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Cindy D" 
> To: "Azores Genealogy" 
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 8:07 AM
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re:FloresGenealogy and Drinking Society
>
> I dug out myFloresfamily.  I don't have much to share, just scant
> information.  I keep hoping to be connected to someone.
>
> Here's myFloresfamily:
>
> Margarida Ursela Pimentel, b June 1879 inFlores, immigrated alone at
> age 15 to New Bedford
>    (married Jose da Silva, of San Miguel, 1897, in New Bedford who
> later became Joseph S Sylvia)
>
> Margarida (Maggie) parents: Jose Antonia (could be Antonio) Pimentel -Flores
>                                           Maria Ursela Pimentel -Flores
>
> I believe Margarida had a brother "Frank" who married Annie Martin.
>
> That's it.  That's all I know.  I only got that from the New Bedfored
> marriage records.  I don't even know if Maggie's parents came here.
> Don't know Maggie's death date yet either but my mom thinks she was
> buried at St. John's in New Bedford, so I don't have a death
> certificate that might have had additional information.  Maggie's
> parents were both Pimentels?   Or did Maggie not know her mother's
> maiden name?  I'm dead in the water on anything further.
>
> Cindy D
> On the Kansas Plains
>
> On Jun 6, 11:32 pm, John Vasconcelos  wrote:
> > I've become envious of the "Ponta Garca Gang" and the "Cabral Travassos
> > Country Club" and their good fortune in finding cousins. So I hereby
> > establish the "FloresGenealogy and Drinking Society". WeFlorespeople
> > are
> > not so fortunate as our more easterly "cousins".Floreswas subject to the
> > plunderings of Pirates and Privateers which took a toll on our ancestors
> > and
> > their institutions. According to historical accounts,Floreswas attacked
> > by
> > Privateers in the mid 1600's who burned every church on the Island. As a
> > result most records before the late 1600's were lost. Even the records on
> > neighboring Corvo go back earlier, to the early 1600's, as I recall.
>
> > The earliest documented marriage that I have discovered among my ancestors
> > was that of Manoel Pimentel to Isabel de Freitas, Nov 26, 1692

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] do Coracao de JESUS

[Sam Koester]

Others with more knowledge will no doubt answer you but; my thoughts are,
"no" Antonia is part of her "given" name.  Whether you call it part of her
first name, her middle name or one of the names she was know by; it's pretty
much all the same.  I, personally, would not call Coracao de Jesus part of
her first name.  It is devotional, in my opinion, not what we would consider
a "given" name.

 

Again, just my two cents worth. Sam in CA

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Michelle
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:21 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] do Coracao de JESUS

 

My cousin recently found some of our family at the NEPS site (Sao Roque,
Pico) and my ggrandmother's name is shown as: 

  Maria Antonia
do Coracao de JESUS

She was listed under Rosa but her husband was
 Anacleto Francisco da
 Rosa, so if "do Caracao de Jesus" is part of her first name then would
Antonia be her surname?

 

Thank you,

Michelle

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[AZORES-Genealogy] do Coracao de JESUS & NEPS site

[Michelle]

I'm sorry to resend this message but I meant to include this question...

Where does the information provided on the NEPS site come from? Is it from 
families that have worked on their genealogy or from some organization like CCA?

Thank you,
Michelle

- Original Message - 
From: Michelle 
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:20 PM
Subject: do Coracao de JESUS


My cousin recently found some of our family at the NEPS site (Sao Roque, Pico) 
and my ggrandmother's name is shown as: 
  Maria Antonia do Coracao de JESUS
She was listed under Rosa but her husband was Anacleto Francisco da Rosa, so if 
"do Caracao de Jesus" is part of her first name then would Antonia be her 
surname?

Thank you,
Michelle

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[AZORES-Genealogy] do Coracao de JESUS

[Michelle]

My cousin recently found some of our family at the NEPS site (Sao Roque, Pico) 
and my ggrandmother's name is shown as:
  Maria Antonia do Coracao de JESUS
She was listed under Rosa but her husband was Anacleto Francisco da Rosa, so if 
"do Caracao de Jesus" is part of her first name then would Antonia be her 
surname?

Thank you,
Michelle

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society

[John Vasconcelos]

Cindy,
Adding to what Sam said, very often male children would be given their
mother's surname (when she had one). This would often happen when the mother
had no male siblings to pass on the the grandfather's surname. It would
sometimes happen when the mother was from a more prominant family.  Both of
these cases occur in my family tree.
I hope that doesn't totally confuse you now.

There is another interesting situation in my mother's family. Her father was
Jose Joaquin de Freitas.  Her mother was Anna Jose Corvello. I had always
known her as Ana Freitas Vasconcelos (ie logic would say that her maiden
name was Ana Freitas.) *WRONG.* On one of my trips to Flores I checked at
the civil registry and found my parents marriage certificate. I was amazed
to learn that her maiden name was Ana de Freitas Corvelo (same for her other
sisters). Her brothers carried Freitas as their surname: ie Francisco
Freitas and Jose [Joaquim] Freitas. That is another common custom in the
Azores: male children take the father's surname and females take their
mothers, surname.
Regards,
John Vasconcelos

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Sam Koester  wrote:

> Cindy;  I am certainly no expert but; from what I have learned, women in
> the
> Azores in this time period did not routinely use a surname.  Again, this
> largely depends on the time frame.  Children could have a surname of their
> mother, father, grandparent on either side, distant relative, etc.  If you
> had 6 children in a family, they could have 6 different surnames.  The use
> of surnames was in part a way to honor ancestors so, they covered as many
> bases as possible. (Now, that was a bit of a generalization but; just to
> give you the idea.)
>
> Also, very often you will have several Marias that are siblings.  These
> Marias would also have a second name and that is the name they would be
> called by. (Maria, of course, would be honoring the Virgin Mary.)
>
> Next you have the issue of 2nd, 3rd, etc. of the same name because the
> previous one, two, etc. had passed on early in their lives and the parents
> gave the next child of the same sex the same name
>
> No one said this genealogy thing would be easy..  :-) Sam in CA
>
>
>
> Thanks for the name help infoif Coracao de Jesus is a religious
> term, then it's not her maiden name?  The naming customs have my head
> spinning.
>
> Cindy D
> Kansas
>
>
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society

[Sam Koester]

Cindy;  I am certainly no expert but; from what I have learned, women in the
Azores in this time period did not routinely use a surname.  Again, this
largely depends on the time frame.  Children could have a surname of their
mother, father, grandparent on either side, distant relative, etc.  If you
had 6 children in a family, they could have 6 different surnames.  The use
of surnames was in part a way to honor ancestors so, they covered as many
bases as possible. (Now, that was a bit of a generalization but; just to
give you the idea.)

Also, very often you will have several Marias that are siblings.  These
Marias would also have a second name and that is the name they would be
called by. (Maria, of course, would be honoring the Virgin Mary.)

Next you have the issue of 2nd, 3rd, etc. of the same name because the
previous one, two, etc. had passed on early in their lives and the parents
gave the next child of the same sex the same name

No one said this genealogy thing would be easy..  :-) Sam in CA



Thanks for the name help infoif Coracao de Jesus is a religious
term, then it's not her maiden name?  The naming customs have my head
spinning.

Cindy D
Kansas



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unfamiliar Surname

[Jacki G]

Eugenia,

Thank you very much. That's great information to have.

Jacki 

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Eugenia
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:40 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unfamiliar Surname

Jacki,

I found the following in my Portuguese Names and Their Meanings for the name
HOMEM.

I hope this helps in your research.

Eugenia

=

Homem -

There is Armorial for the name.

  Homem, Home -
Before 1474, two noblemen, Joao Vaz Corte Real and Alvaro Martins Homem,
reached Greenland or Newfoundland which they called Codfish Land (Terra dos
Baclhaus).  Others had followed by the 1480s.  One of them was Fernao Dulm,
tried to find the Island of the Seven Cities.
  Information is from the book:
A.H. De Oliveira Marques, HISTORY OF PORTUGAL, Columbia University Press,
1972, page 221.

  In Portuguese and Holmes in American as surnames
  Information is from:
Doug da Rocha Holmes, "NAMING TRADITIONS, SURNAME TYPES",  OProgresso, Dece.
1995, Vol. 14, No. 4, page 10.

  Homem, means "Man".
  Information is from the Newsletter:
Joe Souza, O PROGRESSO, Vol. 15, No. 1, March 1996,  NAMING TRADITIONS (PART
III), by Doug Da Rocha Holmes, page 9

  Homem - change to Forjaz.
  Homem - Derive from Pereira.
  Information is from the book:
James H. Guill, A HISTORY OF THE AZORES ISLANDS, Golden Shield
International, Vol. 5, 1993, page 203, 209.

  Homem - This is a and surname commonly used in Portuguese and Brazilian
Portuguese.
  Information is from:
BASIC PORTUGUESE PALEOGRAPHY, The Genealogical Department of the Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Series II, No., 20, 1978, page 27.

  Homem - is a family name of a early Portuguese immigrant in California.
  Information is from:
Carlos Almeida, PORTUGUESE IMMIGRANTS, Published by: The Supreme Council of
U.P.E.C., San Leandro, CA,1978, page 269.

  Holmes - Anglicized (English).  Homem - Portuguese family name.
  Homen - Anglicized (English).  Homem - Portuguese family name.
  Information is from:
Carlos Almeida, PORTUGUESE IMMIGRANTS, Published by: The Supreme Council of
U.P.E.C., San Leandro, CA,1978, page 272.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cabral/Travassos

[mances]

Hi Linda,

Here is an attachment with a simplified version of your genealogical chart that 
leads you, through your maternal side, back to Diogo Gonçalves de Travassos and 
D. Violante Velho Cabral.

Manoel Cesar Furtado
Brasil

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  To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 11:25 PM
  Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cabral/Travessos


  I'm still trying to figure out if I'm related as well. Waiting to hear from 
JR. I'm related to Manoel Cesar and Hermano Pires.  I'm related to Rick 
Pimental, too, but he is saying not on that side.

  Linda (Borges) Furtado Norton


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society

[danandmaria]

Maria do Coracao de Jesus is her first name. 




- Original Message - 
From: "Cindy D"  
To: "Azores Genealogy"  
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 7:11:02 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society 

Thanks for the name help infoif Coracao de Jesus is a religious 
term, then it's not her maiden name?  The naming customs have my head 
spinning. 

Cindy D 
Kansas 

On Jun 17, 4:48 pm, "Sam Koester"  wrote: 
> Cindy;  Just jumping in here because I have a grandmother who also was 
> Coracao de Jesus in her name.  It means "heart of Jesus" and is a religious 
> term, not "really" a name. 
> 
> Just my two cents, Sam in CA 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Cindy D 
> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 11:32 AM 
> To: Azores Genealogy 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re:FloresGenealogy and Drinking Society 
> 
> I don't understand the naming process as Maria Ursula de Jesus has "do 
> Coracao" in the middle.  Is that a name or a place?  Also, what does, 
> "From the Morros" mean?- Hide quoted text - 
> 
> - Show quoted text - 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society

[Cindy D]

I found information on the internet apparently a Flemish nobleman/
pioneer Willam Van der Haegen, (later adopted Silviera as his name)
was one of the early settlers.  Perhaps Ursula came from there.

I was also surprised to find so much information at the John Carter
Brown Library in Providence RI, on the Portuguese renaissance of their
intellectuals and scholars. There is currently an online exhibition of
their books.  Very interesting!

Cindy D
Kansas

On Jun 17, 5:42 pm, John Vasconcelos  wrote:
> *Cindy, *
> *Sam is on the right track. Her full name was more than likely "Maria Ursula
> do Coracao de Jesus" or "Maria Ursula of the (Sacred) Heart of Jesus" if you
> translate it literally. "Morros" is a section of Lages Flores (ie a location
> name).*
> **
> *As an aside, there seem to be a lot of "Ursulas" on Flores, some of them
> being ancestors of mine (case in point, my 3G grandmother Ursula Pimentel.)
> I've always thought of Ursula as a Scandanavian or at least Northern
> European woman's first name (remember the actress Ursula Andres). How did it
> ever get to Flores?*
> *John Vasconcelos*
> **
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Cindy D  wrote:
> > Arlene!
> > This is terrific info!  Margarida's birth date in this record is
> > almost on the money, June 1879.  I never had a birth day date...never
> > found their deaths either.  Anyway, family history notes that Maggie
> > had a brother Frank.  I'm guessing, but couldn't Francisco be
> > Americanized to "Frank"??  This further indicates this is probably the
> > right family.  It gives me plenty to work with.
>
> > I don't understand the naming process as Maria Ursula de Jesus has "do
> > Coracao" in the middle.  Is that a name or a place?  Also, what does,
> > "From the Morros" mean?
>
> > Thanks again Arlene, this is just so wonderful as i've never been able
> > to find anything on my Azorean past.  I owe you coffee and a
> > malasada.
>
> > This gives me hope that I will be able to find more on the Pimentels.
> > I know you'll think this is crazy but when I was a kid in the 50's my
> > grandfather told us that his uncle Manuel Pimentel was hung for being
> > a pirate, I don't know where or when or how as I didn't care back
> > then, so I was really hoping to find out what that was all about some
> > day.  As a kid we blew off that story and laughed, but now I'm
> > learning to pay attention to the family lore as eventually, I find
> > there's usually a grain of truth in there.  I find it oddly exciting
> > to think I have a pirate ancestor!  Arrr!
>
> > Cindy D
>
> > On Jun 14, 1:48 pm, "Arlene Marcoux"  wrote:
> > > Cindy,
> > > I found this in the book, "Familias da Ilha das Flores":
>
> > > Jos Ant nio Pimentel, Parents.. Ant nio Jos Pimentel and Maria
> > Claudina,
> > > married Maria Ursula do Cora o de Jesus from S. Caetano, her parents
> > > Ant nio Caetano Martins and Maria Usula. From the Morros.
> > > Children were: Maria b.8/6/1876; Francisco b.8/12/1877; Margarida
> > > b.6/17/1879; Ana b.2/27/1882.
>
> > > I am sorry but it does not list any other families that is connected to
> > > them.
>
> > > Arlene M.
>
> > > - Original Message -
> >  > From: "Cindy D" 
> > > To: "Azores Genealogy" 
> > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 8:07 AM
> > > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy andDrinkingSociety
>
> > > I dug out my Flores family. I don't have much to share, just scant
> > > information. I keep hoping to be connected to someone.
>
> > > Here's my Flores family:
>
> > > Margarida Ursela Pimentel, b June 1879 in Flores, immigrated alone at
> > > age 15 to New Bedford
> > > (married Jose da Silva, of San Miguel, 1897, in New Bedford who
> > > later became Joseph S Sylvia)
>
> > > Margarida (Maggie) parents: Jose Antonia (could be Antonio) Pimentel -
> > > Flores
> > > Maria Ursela Pimentel -
> > > Flores
>
> > > I believe Margarida had a brother "Frank" who married Annie Martin.
>
> > > That's it. That's all I know. I only got that from the New Bedfored
> > > marriage records. I don't even know if Maggie's parents came here.
> > > Don't know Maggie's death date yet either but my mom thinks she was
> > > buried at St. John's in New Bedford, so I don't have a death
> > > certificate that might have had additional information. Maggie's
> > > parents were both Pimentels? Or did Maggie not know her mother's
> > > maiden name? I'm dead in the water on anything further.
>
> > > Cindy D
> > > On the Kansas Plains
>
> > > On Jun 6, 11:32 pm, John Vasconcelos  wrote:
> > > > I've become envious of the "Ponta Garca Gang" and the "Cabral Travassos
> > > > Country Club" and their good fortune in finding cousins. So I hereby
> > > > establish the "Flores Genealogy andDrinkingSociety". We Flores people
> >  > > are
> > > > not so fortunate as our more easterly "cousins". Flores was subject to
> > the
> > > > plunderings of Pirates and Privateers which took a toll on our
> > ancestors
> > > > and
> > > > their institutions. Accordi

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society

[Cindy D]

Thanks for the name help infoif Coracao de Jesus is a religious
term, then it's not her maiden name?  The naming customs have my head
spinning.

Cindy D
Kansas

On Jun 17, 4:48 pm, "Sam Koester"  wrote:
> Cindy;  Just jumping in here because I have a grandmother who also was 
> Coracao de Jesus in her name.  It means "heart of Jesus" and is a religious 
> term, not "really" a name.
>
> Just my two cents, Sam in CA
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Cindy D
> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 11:32 AM
> To: Azores Genealogy
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re:FloresGenealogy and Drinking Society
>
> I don't understand the naming process as Maria Ursula de Jesus has "do
> Coracao" in the middle.  Is that a name or a place?  Also, what does,
> "From the Morros" mean?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society

[Cindy D]

Arlene...

Thought you'd want to know that the information you provided IS my
family.  My mom dug out a note with info from her aunt that never
really made sense before, but with your information, we understand now
that the note says Margarida had 2 sisters, Ana and Mary and one
brother, Frank which is on the money with your information.  I cannot
thank you enough for this.  I'd have looked for a thousand years
before I'd have figured it out on my own.  Thank you, thank  you,
thank you!

I started entering it my tree program yesterday, but I'm puzzled about
the names.  Maria Ursula do Coacao de Jesus, her parents are Antonio
Caetano Martins and Maria Usula.her father has a different last
name?  Is there something here that would tell me Maria's mother's
maiden name?

I've had great difficulty with the namingis there someplace I can
go to learn about how they get their names??

Thank you again,
Cindy D
Kansas



On Jun 14, 1:48 pm, "Arlene Marcoux"  wrote:
> Cindy,
> I found this in the book, "Familias da Ilha dasFlores":
>
> José António Pimentel, Parents.. António José Pimentel and Maria Claudina,
> married Maria Ursula do Coração de Jesus from S. Caetano, her parents
> António Caetano Martins and Maria Usula.  From the Morros.
> Children were:  Maria b.8/6/1876;  Francisco b.8/12/1877;  Margarida
> b.6/17/1879;  Ana b.2/27/1882.
>
> I am sorry but it does not list any other families that is connected to
> them.
>
> Arlene M.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Cindy D" 
> To: "Azores Genealogy" 
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 8:07 AM
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re:FloresGenealogy and Drinking Society
>
> I dug out myFloresfamily.  I don't have much to share, just scant
> information.  I keep hoping to be connected to someone.
>
> Here's myFloresfamily:
>
> Margarida Ursela Pimentel, b June 1879 inFlores, immigrated alone at
> age 15 to New Bedford
>    (married Jose da Silva, of San Miguel, 1897, in New Bedford who
> later became Joseph S Sylvia)
>
> Margarida (Maggie) parents: Jose Antonia (could be Antonio) Pimentel -Flores
>                                           Maria Ursela Pimentel -Flores
>
> I believe Margarida had a brother "Frank" who married Annie Martin.
>
> That's it.  That's all I know.  I only got that from the New Bedfored
> marriage records.  I don't even know if Maggie's parents came here.
> Don't know Maggie's death date yet either but my mom thinks she was
> buried at St. John's in New Bedford, so I don't have a death
> certificate that might have had additional information.  Maggie's
> parents were both Pimentels?   Or did Maggie not know her mother's
> maiden name?  I'm dead in the water on anything further.
>
> Cindy D
> On the Kansas Plains
>
> On Jun 6, 11:32 pm, John Vasconcelos  wrote:
> > I've become envious of the "Ponta Garca Gang" and the "Cabral Travassos
> > Country Club" and their good fortune in finding cousins. So I hereby
> > establish the "FloresGenealogy and Drinking Society". WeFlorespeople
> > are
> > not so fortunate as our more easterly "cousins".Floreswas subject to the
> > plunderings of Pirates and Privateers which took a toll on our ancestors
> > and
> > their institutions. According to historical accounts,Floreswas attacked
> > by
> > Privateers in the mid 1600's who burned every church on the Island. As a
> > result most records before the late 1600's were lost. Even the records on
> > neighboring Corvo go back earlier, to the early 1600's, as I recall.
>
> > The earliest documented marriage that I have discovered among my ancestors
> > was that of Manoel Pimentel to Isabel de Freitas, Nov 26, 1692, Santa
> > Cruz,
> >Floreswho were my 4G Grandparents (He had been married previously, in the
> > 1680's as I recall). His parents were Domingos Nunes and Marianna Fraga,
> > date and place of birth unknown although it was probably Santa Cruz,
> >Flores.
> > I would venture a guess that Marianna was related to Diogo das Chagas,
> > whose
> > mother was also a Fraga. Her parents were Domingos Fernandez and Catarina
> > de
> > Freitas.
>
> > How about it, any cousins out there with these same ancestors?
> > John Vasconcelos
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