Cindy, The best way I have found to think of Portuguese names, first, middle, last, is that there is no convention for names. If you remember this, you will do fine with what you find. Several male siblings (same mother & father) can have different surnames. I have found that (depending on the time period) males (usually) had first, middle & last names (many times not the surname I expected. Again, depending on the time period, women had first and middle (usually christian) names. THEY did not have surnames in ANY of the records I have seen for certain time periods. When they were baptized, only their first name was used in the record. When they married, their first & middle names were usually used (unless they were the widow of ... (his name was written in full). When they died, again, their first & middle name and if their husband died before them, they were listed as the widow of... (deceased husband's full name was listed. The lack of naming convention can drive you crazy and, still, we do find the information we seek with a lot of tenacity and help from others. Celeste, Hayward, CA
Celeste Perry [email protected] --- On Wed, 6/23/10, Cindy D <[email protected]> wrote: From: Cindy D <[email protected]> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society To: "Azores Genealogy" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 5:01 AM Arlene... Thought you'd want to know that the information you provided IS my family. My mom dug out a note with info from her aunt that never really made sense before, but with your information, we understand now that the note says Margarida had 2 sisters, Ana and Mary and one brother, Frank which is on the money with your information. I cannot thank you enough for this. I'd have looked for a thousand years before I'd have figured it out on my own. Thank you, thank you, thank you! I started entering it my tree program yesterday, but I'm puzzled about the names. Maria Ursula do Coacao de Jesus, her parents are Antonio Caetano Martins and Maria Usula.....her father has a different last name? Is there something here that would tell me Maria's mother's maiden name? I've had great difficulty with the naming....is there someplace I can go to learn about how they get their names?? Thank you again, Cindy D Kansas On Jun 14, 1:48 pm, "Arlene Marcoux" <[email protected]> wrote: > Cindy, > I found this in the book, "Familias da Ilha dasFlores": > > José António Pimentel, Parents.. António José Pimentel and Maria Claudina, > married Maria Ursula do Coração de Jesus from S. Caetano, her parents > António Caetano Martins and Maria Usula. From the Morros. > Children were: Maria b.8/6/1876; Francisco b.8/12/1877; Margarida > b.6/17/1879; Ana b.2/27/1882. > > I am sorry but it does not list any other families that is connected to > them. > > Arlene M. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cindy D" <[email protected]> > To: "Azores Genealogy" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 8:07 AM > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re:FloresGenealogy and Drinking Society > > I dug out myFloresfamily. I don't have much to share, just scant > information. I keep hoping to be connected to someone. > > Here's myFloresfamily: > > Margarida Ursela Pimentel, b June 1879 inFlores, immigrated alone at > age 15 to New Bedford > (married Jose da Silva, of San Miguel, 1897, in New Bedford who > later became Joseph S Sylvia) > > Margarida (Maggie) parents: Jose Antonia (could be Antonio) Pimentel -Flores > Maria Ursela Pimentel -Flores > > I believe Margarida had a brother "Frank" who married Annie Martin. > > That's it. That's all I know. I only got that from the New Bedfored > marriage records. I don't even know if Maggie's parents came here. > Don't know Maggie's death date yet either but my mom thinks she was > buried at St. John's in New Bedford, so I don't have a death > certificate that might have had additional information. Maggie's > parents were both Pimentels? Or did Maggie not know her mother's > maiden name? I'm dead in the water on anything further. > > Cindy D > On the Kansas Plains > > On Jun 6, 11:32 pm, John Vasconcelos <[email protected]> wrote: > > I've become envious of the "Ponta Garca Gang" and the "Cabral Travassos > > Country Club" and their good fortune in finding cousins. So I hereby > > establish the "FloresGenealogy and Drinking Society". WeFlorespeople > > are > > not so fortunate as our more easterly "cousins".Floreswas subject to the > > plunderings of Pirates and Privateers which took a toll on our ancestors > > and > > their institutions. According to historical accounts,Floreswas attacked > > by > > Privateers in the mid 1600's who burned every church on the Island. As a > > result most records before the late 1600's were lost. Even the records on > > neighboring Corvo go back earlier, to the early 1600's, as I recall. > > > The earliest documented marriage that I have discovered among my ancestors > > was that of Manoel Pimentel to Isabel de Freitas, Nov 26, 1692, Santa > > Cruz, > >Floreswho were my 4G Grandparents (He had been married previously, in the > > 1680's as I recall). His parents were Domingos Nunes and Marianna Fraga, > > date and place of birth unknown although it was probably Santa Cruz, > >Flores. > > I would venture a guess that Marianna was related to Diogo das Chagas, > > whose > > mother was also a Fraga. Her parents were Domingos Fernandez and Catarina > > de > > Freitas. > > > How about it, any cousins out there with these same ancestors? > > John Vasconcelos > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."- > Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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