Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] marriage dispensations
Rosemarie, Yes, it is. Sometimes it took so long that children were born to the couple before they married. Most of them pleeded poor, so they could get a dispensation from the bishop, in Angra, otherwise they would have to apply for it to Rome and it could take up to 4 years. João Ventura Terceira From: rcap...@redshift.com rcap...@redshift.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] marriage dispensations Joao--I'm so excited!! Just a question, the date on the far left, is this the request for the dispensation? The reason I ask is that I have the marriage date for Manuel Pereira de Azevedo Maria de Azevedo (Calheta) as Feb 1784. Did is usually take two years for them to get the dispensation approved??j Thanks, Rosemarie Fellow listers, I have added some marriages dispensations of the island of São Jorge. www.joaoventura.com More will be posted tomorrow. João Ventura Terceira -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Overwhelmed with feedback
Thank you all for the feedback. There are quite a few questions and information on your messages. I apologize, will get back to all your questions soon. Yes, I actually live in Sao Miguel, someone asked that, for 17 years now. I married at Nordeste (Santana) I live in Calhetas, Ribeira Grande. Will get back to you all ASP. THANK you for all the welcoming and feedback. -- Ricardo Chaves www.rchaves.com/blog -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: JOSEPH DUARTS OR DUARTE DOB 1885 AND WIFE MARY DOB 1891
That is the problem I have no real place to stat. My grandmother herself was born in california but her father Joseph Duarte or Duarts was born in Portugal and I dont know where . I do not have any one that can tell me those answers. I want to sao Sao Miguel Just because is sounds familiar. But thats just a gues.. I am going to do the DNA testing would that help with this kind of search? On Jun 8, 4:16 pm, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Hi CD, You've got names and dates (although you might want to repeat that info in your postings). All you need is a place and then you can start finding information on their ancestors. Go out to the Azores GenWeb and look at the Finding Your Portuguese Roots booklet. It is full of ideas of where to look to find your island and freguesia (town).http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/HowTo.html Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] marriage dispensations
Joao, Thanks for the explanation. I didn't realize that it could take up to 4 years! Wow. I should have thought about that though because my 4th graunt, Bernarda Rosa and her husband Domingos Antonio Sousa had two children in 1792 1796 before they actually married in 1798 Norte Grande. That one took 6 years and they were only 2nd grau! Rosemarie Rosemarie, Yes, it is. Sometimes it took so long that children were born to the couple before they married. Most of them pleeded poor, so they could get a dispensation from the bishop, in Angra, otherwise they would have to apply for it to Rome and it could take up to 4 years. João Ventura Terceira From: rcap...@redshift.com rcap...@redshift.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] marriage dispensations Joao--I'm so excited!! Just a question, the date on the far left, is this the request for the dispensation? The reason I ask is that I have the marriage date for Manuel Pereira de Azevedo Maria de Azevedo (Calheta) as Feb 1784. Did is usually take two years for them to get the dispensation approved??j Thanks, Rosemarie Fellow listers, I have added some marriages dispensations of the island of São Jorge. www.joaoventura.com More will be posted tomorrow. João Ventura Terceira -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: JOSEPH DUARTS OR DUARTE DOB 1885 AND WIFE MARY DOB 1891
CD, Maybe I missed something. Please post again what you know about Joseph Duarte. Where did they live in the US? Did your grandmother have any siblings? What are their names/ages? When was Joseph born (a valid guess would do) and when/where was your grandmother born. Do you have any idea of when Joseph came to the US? Please post it in this format to make it easier for us to read: Joseph Duarte, born about (year) , came to US about, lived in Your grandmother's name, born (year) (location), lived in . Her sibling's names, born (year) (location), lived in .. Etc. Myself and several others on this list may be able to help you if we had a little more information. Believe it or not, many of us who have been at this for years, have had great results with little information. E On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 10:08 PM, CD cdsnu...@yahoo.com wrote: That is the problem I have no real place to stat. My grandmother herself was born in california but her father Joseph Duarte or Duarts was born in Portugal and I dont know where . I do not have any one that can tell me those answers. I want to sao Sao Miguel Just because is sounds familiar. But thats just a gues.. I am going to do the DNA testing would that help with this kind of search? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: JOSEPH DUARTS OR DUARTE DOB 1885 AND WIFE MARY DOB...
Cheri, With the DNA test, would that tell if the Duarte family was from Acores or Madera Islands or just from the Portugal area itself? Ally In a message dated 7/25/2011 8:18:22 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, cdsnu...@yahoo.com writes: That is the problem I have no real place to stat. My grandmother herself was born in california but her father Joseph Duarte or Duarts was born in Portugal and I dont know where . I do not have any one that can tell me those answers. I want to sao Sao Miguel Just because is sounds familiar. But thats just a gues.. I am going to do the DNA testing would that help with this kind of search? On Jun 8, 4:16 pm, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Hi CD, You've got names and dates (although you might want to repeat that info in your postings). All you need is a place and then you can start finding information on their ancestors. Go out to the Azores GenWeb and look at the Finding Your Portuguese Roots booklet. It is full of ideas of where to look to find your island and freguesia (town).http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/HowTo.html Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: JOSEPH DUARTS OR DUARTE DOB 1885 AND WIFE MARY DOB 1891
Hi CD, DNA testing is of more importance if you know the geographical area they came from. It would be more helpful if you could find out what Island or village your great grandfather came from. I would start with the 1900 and/or 1010 census to get an idea as to when he immigrated to the US. If he became a US Citizen his petition for citizenship would have more detailed information. With any information I would get as to the date he immigrated I would search the Ellis Island records and the Archive Passport records in the Acores to find him. The Acores records would have the village he came from. Keep in mind that any and all information you can get from records in the US (birth, marriage, Death, etc.) are helpful and may provide you clues and verify that you found the right person in the Acores or wherever you find him. Cheri tells us it took her over 4 years and 25 records before she found where her people came from. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha Ponta Delgada, and Achada Grande, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CD Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 12:09 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: JOSEPH DUARTS OR DUARTE DOB 1885 AND WIFE MARY DOB 1891 That is the problem I have no real place to stat. My grandmother herself was born in california but her father Joseph Duarte or Duarts was born in Portugal and I dont know where . I do not have any one that can tell me those answers. I want to sao Sao Miguel Just because is sounds familiar. But thats just a gues.. I am going to do the DNA testing would that help with this kind of search? On Jun 8, 4:16 pm, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Hi CD, You've got names and dates (although you might want to repeat that info in your postings). All you need is a place and then you can start finding information on their ancestors. Go out to the Azores GenWeb and look at the Finding Your Portuguese Roots booklet. It is full of ideas of where to look to find your island and freguesia (town).http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/HowTo.html Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: JOSEPH DUARTS OR DUARTE DOB 1885 AND WIFE MARY DOB 1891
Ally said: Cheri, With the DNA test, would that tell if the Duarte family was from Acores or Madera Islands or just from the Portugal area itself? Ally DNA tests don't point to countries. They can only point to regions of the world. They can say if you are European, African, Asian, or Middle Eastern. They have a few subdivisions under that, but nothing on a country level. Since countries are a political thing, DNA will probably never pin-point a country. The current reference populations used can be found here (this is part of Family Tree DNA's Family Finder test): http://goo.gl/27qPh Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] De Melo
I would be interested in your de Melo cousins from Ribeira Grande and Achada. Mine come from those neck of the woods. Cheers, Duane De Mello On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 3:32 PM, John M Athayde atha...@gmail.com wrote: Cleaning out old email, I found this. I've got one de Melo as my great great grandfather. José Correia de Melo. His parents, however are a João José Correia and Rosa Joaquina (perhaps her middle, not last name?). Regardless, his son, Manoel Correia took his mother's surname (Adelaide Isabel de Athayde do Conde), and we all ended up Athaydes. Not sure where the de Melo came from or was left out. Still doing research in that area. They were in Graciosca and Manoel was born in 1893 in Guadalupe On Dec 28, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Herb wrote: Iris. I have soem time on my hands as I am on Christmas break I have been reading with great interest the posts on De Melo family from Nordeste. I was born in Nordeste in 1958 and lived there there until age 9. My teacher ( we only had one) was a Melo. I am not sure of her first name, it may be Conceicao Alexandre Melo. She still lives in Nordeste, I saw her in 1995 when I last visited Fazenda. I am a descendant of Antonio Cabral de Mello and Barbara Correia. Their grandson Jose Cabral de Melo married Dona Vitoria de Mendonca of Fazenda Nordeste. Cheri Melo and Denise D'Antona and I are cousins and we have exchanged posts about this several times over the years. The Melos are a well known and prominent family in Nordeste. The man who owned the local grocery store or loje in the town of Fazenda was named Melo. I stopped at his store with my father when we visited Fazenda in 1995. He remebered me. If I am not mistaken his name is Aldino or Evelino de Melo, perhaps related to Aldino de Melo of this group. It is difficult to break down the various Melos, Brandaos, Arrudas and Cabrals of Nordeste. It was not uncommon in Sao Miguel in those days to have 2nd and 3rd cousins marry each other, and on occasion even 1st cousins. In fact this practice was encouraged throughout Europe as late as the late 19th century, as this was seen as a way to preserve family ties and land possesions, continuation of family names etc. Approximately 40% of marriages throughout Europe in the 18th and 19th centuries were between cousins. So you see, it becomes very challenging to sort of break down and analyse these many family ties. I will have to ask my mother what else she can tell me about these families. I also have 2 cousins living in Fazenda and one in Ribeira Grande ( she used to live in Achada) and they may have some helpful information as well. Herb -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. John Athayde atha...@gmail.com www.boboroshi.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: JOSEPH DUARTS OR DUARTE DOB 1885 AND WIFE MARY DOB 1891
The date of birth I have for Joseph Duarte is about 1885 he married a woman named Mary born about 1891. The children I show for them are Florence Duarte 1917-1941 born Alameda CA, Leonard Duarte 1915-1992 born in Alameda as well, Alfred Duarte 1908-1968 born in Alameda as well, Lorraine Duarte born 1926 ukn where assume Alameda, Harry Duarte 1924 born 1924 ukn where and my grandmother Adelaide Duarte (baptista) born 1910-2010 born in Alameda, Ca. She Married Augusta Gus Baptista. He was born in Madrid Spain and I am unable to find proof of their marriage. Any help you can offer is most appreciated as my mother knows nothing of her family history and I am unable to find any other living relatives. On Jul 25, 11:31 am, \E\ Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: CD, Maybe I missed something. Please post again what you know about Joseph Duarte. Where did they live in the US? Did your grandmother have any siblings? What are their names/ages? When was Joseph born (a valid guess would do) and when/where was your grandmother born. Do you have any idea of when Joseph came to the US? Please post it in this format to make it easier for us to read: Joseph Duarte, born about (year) , came to US about, lived in Your grandmother's name, born (year) (location), lived in . Her sibling's names, born (year) (location), lived in .. Etc. Myself and several others on this list may be able to help you if we had a little more information. Believe it or not, many of us who have been at this for years, have had great results with little information. E On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 10:08 PM, CD cdsnu...@yahoo.com wrote: That is the problem I have no real place to stat. My grandmother herself was born in california but her father Joseph Duarte or Duarts was born in Portugal and I dont know where . I do not have any one that can tell me those answers. I want to sao Sao Miguel Just because is sounds familiar. But thats just a gues.. I am going to do the DNA testing would that help with this kind of search?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: JOSEPH DUARTS OR DUARTE DOB 1885 AND WIFE MARY DOB...
Thanks Cheri, For keeping me strait : ) In a message dated 7/25/2011 1:06:09 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, gfsche...@gmail.com writes: Ally said: Cheri, With the DNA test, would that tell if the Duarte family was from Acores or Madera Islands or just from the Portugal area itself? Ally DNA tests don't point to countries. They can only point to regions of the world. They can say if you are European, African, Asian, or Middle Eastern. They have a few subdivisions under that, but nothing on a country level. Since countries are a political thing, DNA will probably never pin-point a country. The current reference populations used can be found here (this is part of Family Tree DNA's Family Finder test): _http://goo.gl/27qPh_ (http://goo.gl/27qPh) Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at _http://groups.google.com/group/Azores_ (http://groups.google.com/group/Azores) . Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] De Melo
John, There are several reasons why sons sometimes take their mother's surname in Portugal. If the mother's family had all the wealth, under some conditions the son must take the mother's surname to receive the inheritance.. Sometimes (but not always) the son may have taken the mother's surname if her family was more pretigious (usually related to wealth). If the mother had no male siblings, the son sometimes took the mother's surname to continue the line. In my family tree, there are several cases where a son took his mother's surname. John Vasconcelos On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:32 PM, John M Athayde atha...@gmail.com wrote: Cleaning out old email, I found this. I've got one de Melo as my great great grandfather. José Correia de Melo. His parents, however are a João José Correia and Rosa Joaquina (perhaps her middle, not last name?). Regardless, his son, Manoel Correia took his mother's surname (Adelaide Isabel de Athayde do Conde), and we all ended up Athaydes. Not sure where the de Melo came from or was left out. Still doing research in that area. They were in Graciosca and Manoel was born in 1893 in Guadalupe On Dec 28, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Herb wrote: Iris. I have soem time on my hands as I am on Christmas break I have been reading with great interest the posts on De Melo family from Nordeste. I was born in Nordeste in 1958 and lived there there until age 9. My teacher ( we only had one) was a Melo. I am not sure of her first name, it may be Conceicao Alexandre Melo. She still lives in Nordeste, I saw her in 1995 when I last visited Fazenda. I am a descendant of Antonio Cabral de Mello and Barbara Correia. Their grandson Jose Cabral de Melo married Dona Vitoria de Mendonca of Fazenda Nordeste. Cheri Melo and Denise D'Antona and I are cousins and we have exchanged posts about this several times over the years. The Melos are a well known and prominent family in Nordeste. The man who owned the local grocery store or loje in the town of Fazenda was named Melo. I stopped at his store with my father when we visited Fazenda in 1995. He remebered me. If I am not mistaken his name is Aldino or Evelino de Melo, perhaps related to Aldino de Melo of this group. It is difficult to break down the various Melos, Brandaos, Arrudas and Cabrals of Nordeste. It was not uncommon in Sao Miguel in those days to have 2nd and 3rd cousins marry each other, and on occasion even 1st cousins. In fact this practice was encouraged throughout Europe as late as the late 19th century, as this was seen as a way to preserve family ties and land possesions, continuation of family names etc. Approximately 40% of marriages throughout Europe in the 18th and 19th centuries were between cousins. So you see, it becomes very challenging to sort of break down and analyse these many family ties. I will have to ask my mother what else she can tell me about these families. I also have 2 cousins living in Fazenda and one in Ribeira Grande ( she used to live in Achada) and they may have some helpful information as well. Herb -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. John Athayde atha...@gmail.com www.boboroshi.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] FLORES: Names in/around Fajã Grande (esp. Ponta), 1913-38
In some old family letters in Portuguese dated 1913-1938 to my great- grandmother in Northern California (a native of Ponta da Fajã Grande das Flores) I've found the following names, which I've listed alphabetically below, along with year(s) of letter(s); some names have different spellings in different letters. All the letters except one are from Ponta, and all but two have dates. Please let me know if you recognize any of these names! Also, has anyone ever heard of a place near Fajã Grande called Grota Seca (= dry cave or grotto)? Obrigada, Katharine. ARMAS, Fernando - 1920 FRAGA, João de Freitas de - undated FURTADO, Isabel [Oakland, CA.] - 1921 FURTADO, Manuel Luiz - 1936, '38 LIZANDRO, José - 1921, '36 LIZANDRO, Manuel - undated REIS, Srs. de - 1923 RODRIGUES, Antonio - 1938 SERPA, Ignácio - undated SILVEIRA, Ana Floripes (Floripe, Fluripas) da - 1917, '20, '21, '26 SILVEIRA, Maria Mateus (Matheus) da - 1913, '15, '23, '25, '26, '38 VALADÃO (Valladão), Antonio - 1913, '26, undated VALADÃO, João - 1921, '23, '26, undated VALADÃO, José - 1921 VALADÃO, José Antonio - undated VALADÃO, Senhor - 1913 Mentioned without surnames (alphabetically by first name here, Portuguese-style): Conceição - 1925 José Caetano - 1926 José Inácio da Levada - undated Jose Ignaçio da Lucenda [?] - 1925, '26 Manoel (or Manuel) Caetano - 1915 Manuel Inácio - 1926 Maria Joaquina (aunt) - 1913 Senhora Pulcena Roza - 1938 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] De Melo
Herb - Did I answer your post back in December. I can't remember. Iris Cabral Bilodeau --- On Mon, 7/25/11, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com wrote: From: John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] De Melo To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, July 25, 2011, 4:58 PM John, There are several reasons why sons sometimes take their mother's surname in Portugal. If the mother's family had all the wealth, under some conditions the son must take the mother's surname to receive the inheritance.. Sometimes (but not always) the son may have taken the mother's surname if her family was more pretigious (usually related to wealth). If the mother had no male siblings, the son sometimes took the mother's surname to continue the line. In my family tree, there are several cases where a son took his mother's surname. John Vasconcelos On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:32 PM, John M Athayde atha...@gmail.com wrote: Cleaning out old email, I found this. I've got one de Melo as my great great grandfather. José Correia de Melo. His parents, however are a João José Correia and Rosa Joaquina (perhaps her middle, not last name?). Regardless, his son, Manoel Correia took his mother's surname (Adelaide Isabel de Athayde do Conde), and we all ended up Athaydes. Not sure where the de Melo came from or was left out. Still doing research in that area. They were in Graciosca and Manoel was born in 1893 in Guadalupe On Dec 28, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Herb wrote: Iris. I have soem time on my hands as I am on Christmas break I have been reading with great interest the posts on De Melo family from Nordeste. I was born in Nordeste in 1958 and lived there there until age 9. My teacher ( we only had one) was a Melo. I am not sure of her first name, it may be Conceicao Alexandre Melo. She still lives in Nordeste, I saw her in 1995 when I last visited Fazenda. I am a descendant of Antonio Cabral de Mello and Barbara Correia. Their grandson Jose Cabral de Melo married Dona Vitoria de Mendonca of Fazenda Nordeste. Cheri Melo and Denise D'Antona and I are cousins and we have exchanged posts about this several times over the years. The Melos are a well known and prominent family in Nordeste. The man who owned the local grocery store or loje in the town of Fazenda was named Melo. I stopped at his store with my father when we visited Fazenda in 1995. He remebered me. If I am not mistaken his name is Aldino or Evelino de Melo, perhaps related to Aldino de Melo of this group. It is difficult to break down the various Melos, Brandaos, Arrudas and Cabrals of Nordeste. It was not uncommon in Sao Miguel in those days to have 2nd and 3rd cousins marry each other, and on occasion even 1st cousins. In fact this practice was encouraged throughout Europe as late as the late 19th century, as this was seen as a way to preserve family ties and land possesions, continuation of family names etc. Approximately 40% of marriages throughout Europe in the 18th and 19th centuries were between cousins. So you see, it becomes very challenging to sort of break down and analyse these many family ties. I will have to ask my mother what else she can tell me about these families. I also have 2 cousins living in Fazenda and one in Ribeira Grande ( she used to live in Achada) and they may have some helpful information as well. Herb -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. John Athayde atha...@gmail.com www.boboroshi.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: JOSEPH DUARTS OR DUARTE DOB 1885 AND WIFE MARY DOB 1891
OK. I believe I have found them in the 1920 lived on Moss Landing Road, Washington, Alameda Co. CA and 1930 lived on Oakland-San Jose Hwy. Washington, Alameda County CA They both say Joseph was born in California and Mary in Massachusetts. Children listed are Alfred, Adeline, Joseph, Leonard, Florence, Harry, Lorraine. Still trying to find them in the 1910 census. According to census they were married ca 1908. Here are some birth records: mmn means mother's maiden name and on all of these it is Mattos b. in Alameda Co. So far haven't found Leonard's birth record. Alfred b. 10//6/1908 Evelyn b. 10/1/1910 (could this be Adeline?) Joe b. 4/19/ 1914 Florence mmn spelled Maltoes b. 10/8/1918 Harold R. b. 1/29/1924 Marie b. 2/8/1927 (Lorraine?) Marie Annjessie b. 5/26/1930 Will keep searching. You might want to order a birth record for Alfred or Evelyn. Others on this list more familiar with Alameda Co. records can help guide you on this. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: JOSEPH DUARTS OR DUARTE DOB 1885 AND WIFE MARY DOB 1891
Have you ever heard of a Mary Jo Duarte from Contra Costa County, CA., probably born 1910-1915? My parents knew her in the mid-1930s, although to my knowledge I never met her. I don't know what her married name was. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: JOSEPH DUARTS OR DUARTE DOB 1885 AND WIFE MARY DOB 1891
CD, Go to this site, I think it is a relative of yours. http://genforum.genealogy.com/baptista/messages/76.html Also, there is a WWI Draft Registration record for a Joseph Duarte Jr. Centerville, Alameda Co., b. 12/21/1882 US with wife Mary L. listed. If this is indeed him, then we know his father's name is also Joseph Duarte. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: JOSEPH DUARTS OR DUARTE DOB 1885 AND WIFE MARYDOB 1891
No that was way before my time. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Katharine katharine.f.ba...@gmail.com Sender: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 19:14:33 To: Azores Genealogyazores@googlegroups.com Reply-To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: JOSEPH DUARTS OR DUARTE DOB 1885 AND WIFE MARY DOB 1891 Have you ever heard of a Mary Jo Duarte from Contra Costa County, CA., probably born 1910-1915? My parents knew her in the mid-1930s, although to my knowledge I never met her. I don't know what her married name was. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
