RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called Rosas do Egipto [Rosas do Egito] or Egyptian Roses?

2011-08-14 Thread Debra Wolgemuth





Katherine,
 
My relatives from Flores always had a FILHOS FEAST on Ash Wednesday.  We'd meet 
at the family ranch, have filhos hot out of the frying pan...drizzled with 
butter, then ate with either jam or a dusting of sugar and a slice of cheddar 
cheese.  It's a tradition that I've continued making for my family, but they 
don't get excited about them like I do.  Actually they call them lead hockey 
pucks...more for me...LOL!  I make a huge batch and freeze the majority of what 
we don't eat.  When I want a filhos for breakfast, I take one out of the 
freezer, microwave it a bit (experiment with your microwave and start at 20 
second intervals so you don't over cook it), then add butter and your favorite 
topping.  They taste greasy and hot, just like Ava and Granny Marie made them 
on Ash Wednesday!
 
Last year I broke my wrist and was unable to make (knead the dough) for my 
annual filhos feast.  Someone recommended the Portuguese Bakery, 2082 El Camino 
Real, Santa Clara, CA  408-984-2234.  I ordered several dozen and they arrived 
the next week.  They went into the freezer and we enjoyed them for several 
weeks.  Their website says that they make daily filhos, but people recommend 
arriving at 9 am to get fresh ones...they tend to sell out quickly.  They also 
sell 9 flavors of biscoitos, sweet bread, lemony rice pudding, and on the last 
Saturday of the month serve sopas (pot roast  cabbage over bread with mint).  
If you live in the Bay Area, check them out!


Debbie Wolgemuth
Researching Azoreans:  Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), 
Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown)
Immigrated to:  Merced, CA 
  Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:44:23 -0700
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called Rosas do Egipto [Rosas do 
 Egito] or Egyptian Roses?
 From: katharine.f.ba...@gmail.com
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 
 Obrigada, Gayle!
 
 It sounds rather like the Portuguese recipe above.  Does your cookbook
 mention anything about oleo (frying in oil)?  To me they sound sort
 of like the pre-Lenten treats called filhós or malassadas,
 dependking on the part of the Azores one's in.  The strange thing is
 that the novel I'm translating mentions them being made for feeding
 folks doing a matança (ritual hog-killing) in Nordeste, São Miguel,
 during Advent (pre-Xmas), not Lent.  Somehow I had the impression that
 traditionally filhós or malassadas weren't made other times of year.
 If anyone knows, I'd appreciate learning more.
 
 Katharine.
 
 = = = = = = = = = =
 Rosas do Egito, by Ana Maria Albuquerque Taveira (who's had recipes
 online for over a decade in various formats -- I first encountered her
 on a Geocities website ca. 2000):
 http://cybercook.terra.com.br/rosas-do-egito-ii-na-comunidade.html?codigo=14468
 
 Ingredientes
 - 500 g de farinha
 - açúcar a gosto
 - raspas de 1 limão
 - leite o suficiente
 
 Modo de Preparo
 Misture bem todos os ingredientes da massa, adicionando
 o leite até o ponto da massa. Numa panela, aqueça o
 óleo até ferver. Depois, coloque a forma de rosa dentro
 para aquecer bem. Em seguida, mergulhe a forma na massa
 e retorne ao óleo, deixando fritar até a massa soltar
 da forma. Coloque numa travessa e polvilhe com canela e
 açúcar.
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 2nd set of eyes needed on this marriage from Holy Rosa...

2011-08-14 Thread netadosAcores
Mary,
 
We had absolutely no luck trying to get copies of records in a Pleasanton,  
CA church.  I wrote ahead of time with our list, made a donation first, and 
 was told that they NO longer give information out on relatives.  Only  
parents can get copies of their children.I was told that the  practice was 
changed by the Pope's order to prevent baptizing of the  dead.I was 
told that they would only make copies if I had my  Bishop write to them.  I 
sent the info to a priest of the diocese.   Still no records have been sent.
 
 
Ally
Vieira Anselmo in Ribeira Seca, Sao Miguel Pinheiro, Nunes,  Silveira in 
Praia do Almoxarife and Pedro Miguel, Faial
Silveira, Rodrigues  in Sao Jorge

 
 
In a message dated 8/13/2011 1:11:01 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
m_k...@comcast.net writes:

Thanks  Karen,  
I'll check back with the Diocese office. I'm only looking for records  
before 1930.  


Mary


On Aug 13, 2011, at 11:57 AM, Karen Hillman wrote:


Mary, 
I had the same thing happen to me  at a Catholic church in Visalia when I 
was doing a survey of Church Records  for a class I was taking.  I was 
allowed to only see my daughters  (1977) record.  However, when I asked the 
person 
helping me about other  records, I was told that anything after 1930 was at 
the parish and  restricted but older records were archived in the Diocese 
office and were  available. You just had to request from them. You might 
check to see if that  works where you are.  I agree with Cheri, making a 
donation can never  hurt. 
Karen  Silva Hillman 
Researching  Luiz, Silveira, Sousa on 
St.  Jorge, Azores,  Portugal



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called Rosas do Egipto [Rosas do Egito] or Egyptian Roses?

2011-08-14 Thread Donna Moody

Hey Katherine,

My VoVo made malassadas every year when my Dad and uncles were  
slaughtering hogs, but she also made it every Sunday morning. She was  
from Sao Miguel.


Donna

Quoting Katharine katharine.f.ba...@gmail.com:


Obrigada, Gayle!

It sounds rather like the Portuguese recipe above.  Does your cookbook
mention anything about oleo (frying in oil)?  To me they sound sort
of like the pre-Lenten treats called filhós or malassadas,
dependking on the part of the Azores one's in.  The strange thing is
that the novel I'm translating mentions them being made for feeding
folks doing a matança (ritual hog-killing) in Nordeste, São Miguel,
during Advent (pre-Xmas), not Lent.  Somehow I had the impression that
traditionally filhós or malassadas weren't made other times of year.
If anyone knows, I'd appreciate learning more.

Katharine.

= = = = = = = = = =
Rosas do Egito, by Ana Maria Albuquerque Taveira (who's had recipes
online for over a decade in various formats -- I first encountered her
on a Geocities website ca. 2000):
http://cybercook.terra.com.br/rosas-do-egito-ii-na-comunidade.html?codigo=14468

Ingredientes
- 500 g de farinha
- açúcar a gosto
- raspas de 1 limão
- leite o suficiente

Modo de Preparo
Misture bem todos os ingredientes da massa, adicionando
o leite até o ponto da massa. Numa panela, aqueça o
óleo até ferver. Depois, coloque a forma de rosa dentro
para aquecer bem. Em seguida, mergulhe a forma na massa
e retorne ao óleo, deixando fritar até a massa soltar
da forma. Coloque numa travessa e polvilhe com canela e
açúcar.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called Rosas do Egipto [Rosas do Egito] or Egyptian Roses?

2011-08-14 Thread Joaquin Mendonca
Portuguese Bakery is still in business in Santa Clara. I was going to 
the bakery at least 30 to 40 years ago. I have not been there in at 
least 15 years. Sopas must be a new item. Last 15 years or so. I enjoy 
all the food from the bakery.

Jack Mendonca

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called Rosas do Egipto [Rosas do Egito] or Egyptian Roses?

2011-08-14 Thread helen kerner


They are called  malassadas in Santa Maria.   




From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, August 13, 2011 10:06:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called Rosas do Egipto [Rosas do 
Egito] or Egyptian Roses?

From going to various halls in California, some of which are more of one 
island 
than another..

Malassadas is more what the people from Sao Miguel and Madeira call them.  
Filhos is what the other 8 Azorean islands call them. Hawaii was settled 
heavily 
by people from Sao Miguel and Madeira, so in Hawaii, they call them malassadas 
too.  I'm a southern California galwe have nicknames or shortened names for 
things, so I call them mallys but that's probably my own invention.  When I 
go 
to the Artesia hall (heavy Terceira), they call them filhos.  But they are 
served at various times.  Not just matanca.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called Rosas do Egipto [Rosas do Egito] or Egyptian Roses?

2011-08-14 Thread Steve Gomes
I have seen the spelling as fillozes not filhos. Although filhos seems to be
a popular spelling

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 14, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Debra Wolgemuth wolgemut...@msn.com wrote:

 Katherine,

My relatives from Flores always had a FILHOS FEAST on Ash Wednesday.  We'd
meet at the family ranch, have filhos hot out of the frying pan...drizzled
with butter, then ate with either jam or a dusting of sugar and a slice of
cheddar cheese.  It's a tradition that I've continued making for my family,
but they don't get excited about them like I do.  Actually they call them
lead hockey pucks...more for me...LOL!  I make a huge batch and freeze the
majority of what we don't eat.  When I want a filhos for breakfast, I take
one out of the freezer, microwave it a bit (experiment with your microwave
and start at 20 second intervals so you don't over cook it), then add butter
and your favorite topping.  They taste greasy and hot, just like Ava and
Granny Marie made them on Ash Wednesday!

Last year I broke my wrist and was unable to make (knead the dough) for my
annual filhos feast.  Someone recommended the Portuguese Bakery, 2082 El
Camino Real, Santa Clara, CA  408-984-2234.  I ordered several dozen and
they arrived the next week.  They went into the freezer and we enjoyed them
for several weeks.  Their website says that they make daily filhos, but
people recommend arriving at 9 am to get fresh ones...they tend to sell out
quickly.  They also sell 9 flavors of biscoitos, sweet bread, lemony rice
pudding, and on the last Saturday of the month serve sopas (pot roast 
cabbage over bread with mint).  If you live in the Bay Area, check them out!


*Debbie Wolgemuth*
Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel),
Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown)
Immigrated to: Merced, CA


 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:44:23 -0700
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called Rosas do Egipto [Rosas
do Egito] or Egyptian Roses?
 From: katharine.f.ba...@gmail.com
 To: azores@googlegroups.com

 Obrigada, Gayle!

 It sounds rather like the Portuguese recipe above. Does your cookbook
 mention anything about oleo (frying in oil)? To me they sound sort
 of like the pre-Lenten treats called filhós or malassadas,
 dependking on the part of the Azores one's in. The strange thing is
 that the novel I'm translating mentions them being made for feeding
 folks doing a matança (ritual hog-killing) in Nordeste, São Miguel,
 during Advent (pre-Xmas), not Lent. Somehow I had the impression that
 traditionally filhós or malassadas weren't made other times of year.
 If anyone knows, I'd appreciate learning more.

 Katharine.

 = = = = = = = = = =
 Rosas do Egito, by Ana Maria Albuquerque Taveira (who's had recipes
 online for over a decade in various formats -- I first encountered her
 on a Geocities website ca. 2000):

http://cybercook.terra.com.br/rosas-do-egito-ii-na-comunidade.html?codigo=14468

 Ingredientes
 - 500 g de farinha
 - açúcar a gosto
 - raspas de 1 limão
 - leite o suficiente

 Modo de Preparo
 Misture bem todos os ingredientes da massa, adicionando
 o leite até o ponto da massa. Numa panela, aqueça o
 óleo até ferver. Depois, coloque a forma de rosa dentro
 para aquecer bem. Em seguida, mergulhe a forma na massa
 e retorne ao óleo, deixando fritar até a massa soltar
 da forma. Coloque numa travessa e polvilhe com canela e
 açúcar.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called Rosas do Egipto [Rosas do Egito] or Egyptian Roses?

2011-08-14 Thread helen kerner
It sounds like you are talking about rosettes which my Mom used to make for 
special events.

You make a thin batter and dip the rosette iron into the batter and then place 
the rosette iron with the batter into the hot oil.  It cooks quickly because it 
is very thin.  It comes out looking very much like a doilie.  When they are 
cold 
you dust them with powdered sugar.  They are very flaky and delicious.

Different islands call the recipes by different names so I can see where it 
would be called rosas de egito.

There are various rose molds (hearts too).  

I have my Mom's rosette iron but have never made them.

helen
santa maria






From: Joaquin Mendonca ftw...@sbcglobal.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, August 14, 2011 9:52:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called Rosas do Egipto [Rosas do 
Egito] or Egyptian Roses?

Portuguese Bakery is still in business in Santa Clara. I was going to the 
bakery 
at least 30 to 40 years ago. I have not been there in at least 15 years. Sopas 
must be a new item. Last 15 years or so. I enjoy all the food from the bakery.
Jack Mendonca

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called Rosas do Egipto [Rosas do Egito] or Egyptian Roses?

2011-08-14 Thread Katharine
Muito obrigada para todos!!!  (Thank you very much, everyone)

The novel I'm translating takes place in Nordeste, São Miguel,
although as someone whose father was ¾ Florentino, I appreciate
Debbie's information as well, from a personal viewpoint -- since I
know so little re my family's hidden Portuguese ancestry (such a huge,
forbidden secret), and this adds another clue to my search for my own
destroyed roots.  Also, I find it interesting how some traditions are
universal throughout the Azorean archipelago, while others can be
unique even within a region of just one island!

The fried-in-oil dough described by Gayle, Margaret, Cheri, Linda and
Donna is surely what the novelist is referring to.

Allegedly, malassadas in the eastern Azorean islands are the same as
what are called filhós in the central and western groups.  Is that
correct?

I also sent an email with this inquiry to an immigrant friend
originally from near Nordeste, and he said his mother loved them, made
them, and used a dough-cutter to give them their characteristic
shape.  I replied a little while ago asking if that was a rosette
shape, since I've yet to find any pictures of Rosas do Egipto
online, but have yet to receive a reply.  Will keep you posted if I
learn more.

I left my native Bay Area for back East long ago (long before I knew
of my Portuguese heritage).  Where we live in the diaspora, I
literally do not know a single Azorean-American -- NOT ONE :-(   If,
like some of you lucky ones, I lived near a Portuguese bakery, I'd be
one of their steadiest customers -- and probably one of their plumpest
ones as well!!!

Katharine.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called Rosas do Egipto [Rosas do Egito] or Egyptian Roses?

2011-08-14 Thread Gail Elizares
 

Aloha Everyone,

 

I’m from Hawaii, and we were raised making malasadas on the Tuesday before
Ash Wednesday, also known as “Fat Tuesday”.  

 

Gail

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Debra Wolgemuth
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 7:57 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called Rosas do Egipto [Rosas
do Egito] or Egyptian Roses?

 

Katherine,
 
My relatives from Flores always had a FILHOS FEAST on Ash Wednesday.  We'd
meet at the family ranch, have filhos hot out of the frying pan...drizzled
with butter, then ate with either jam or a dusting of sugar and a slice of
cheddar cheese.  It's a tradition that I've continued making for my family,
but they don't get excited about them like I do.  Actually they call them
lead hockey pucks...more for me...LOL!  I make a huge batch and freeze the
majority of what we don't eat.  When I want a filhos for breakfast, I take
one out of the freezer, microwave it a bit (experiment with your microwave
and start at 20 second intervals so you don't over cook it), then add butter
and your favorite topping.  They taste greasy and hot, just like Ava and
Granny Marie made them on Ash Wednesday!
 
Last year I broke my wrist and was unable to make (knead the dough) for my
annual filhos feast.  Someone recommended the Portuguese Bakery, 2082 El
Camino Real, Santa Clara, CA  408-984-2234.  I ordered several dozen and
they arrived the next week.  They went into the freezer and we enjoyed them
for several weeks.  Their website says that they make daily filhos, but
people recommend arriving at 9 am to get fresh ones...they tend to sell out
quickly.  They also sell 9 flavors of biscoitos, sweet bread, lemony rice
pudding, and on the last Saturday of the month serve sopas (pot roast 
cabbage over bread with mint).  If you live in the Bay Area, check them out!


Debbie Wolgemuth
Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel),
Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown)
Immigrated to: Merced, CA 


 

 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:44:23 -0700
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called Rosas do Egipto [Rosas
do Egito] or Egyptian Roses?
 From: katharine.f.ba...@gmail.com
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 
 Obrigada, Gayle!
 
 It sounds rather like the Portuguese recipe above. Does your cookbook
 mention anything about oleo (frying in oil)? To me they sound sort
 of like the pre-Lenten treats called filhós or malassadas,
 dependking on the part of the Azores one's in. The strange thing is
 that the novel I'm translating mentions them being made for feeding
 folks doing a matança (ritual hog-killing) in Nordeste, São Miguel,
 during Advent (pre-Xmas), not Lent. Somehow I had the impression that
 traditionally filhós or malassadas weren't made other times of year.
 If anyone knows, I'd appreciate learning more.
 
 Katharine.
 
 = = = = = = = = = =
 Rosas do Egito, by Ana Maria Albuquerque Taveira (who's had recipes
 online for over a decade in various formats -- I first encountered her
 on a Geocities website ca. 2000):

http://cybercook.terra.com.br/rosas-do-egito-ii-na-comunidade.html?codigo=14
468
 
 Ingredientes
 - 500 g de farinha
 - açúcar a gosto
 - raspas de 1 limão
 - leite o suficiente
 
 Modo de Preparo
 Misture bem todos os ingredientes da massa, adicionando
 o leite até o ponto da massa. Numa panela, aqueça o
 óleo até ferver. Depois, coloque a forma de rosa dentro
 para aquecer bem. Em seguida, mergulhe a forma na massa
 e retorne ao óleo, deixando fritar até a massa soltar
 da forma. Coloque numa travessa e polvilhe com canela e
 açúcar.
 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called Rosas do Egipto [Rosas do Egito] or Egyptian Roses?

2011-08-14 Thread Katharine
Thanks, Margaret!  Do you know of a specific dough cutting implement
(perhaps similar to a cookie cutter) that's used to create specific
shape?  Are there a certain number of flower-petals, or is the item
circular, perhaps with a scalloped edge?  If someone can have better
luck finding an image online of either Rosas do Egipto or the
cutting implement, I'd be most grateful, because it's hard for me to
translate something I can't picture !

Katharine.

P.S. (below)  Olá, Helen!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called Rosas do Egipto [Rosas do Egito] or Egyptian Roses?

2011-08-14 Thread helen kerner


Below is a link showing the iron that my Mom used to make the rosettes.  Be 
sure 
to view all the pages for a better view of the process.

http://scandinavianfood.about.com/od/cookingtechniques/ss/rosettesbs.htm





From: Katharine katharine.f.ba...@gmail.com
To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, August 14, 2011 6:24:24 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called Rosas do Egipto [Rosas do 
Egito] or Egyptian Roses?

Thanks, Margaret!  Do you know of a specific dough cutting implement
(perhaps similar to a cookie cutter) that's used to create specific
shape?  Are there a certain number of flower-petals, or is the item
circular, perhaps with a scalloped edge?  If someone can have better
luck finding an image online of either Rosas do Egipto or the
cutting implement, I'd be most grateful, because it's hard for me to
translate something I can't picture !

Katharine.

P.S. (below)  Olá, Helen!

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