Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passports from Sao Jorge
Thanks Fred That bit about crossing the equator and the payment for a burial rings a bell with me now. My Grandmother used to tell me something similar but she also told me lots of things that have turned out to be wrong. I thought there might be something specific to the Azores about boys wearing earrings. Diane Donnon On Saturday, 13 October 2012 11:49:20 UTC+10:30, Fred Souza wrote: Here is a description of the gold earring custom which has been around a very long time. (wixapedia) Earrings became fashionable among courtiers and gentlemen in the 1590s during the English Renaissance. A document published in 1577 by clergyman William Harrison http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Harrison_(clergyman), *Description of England*, states Some lusty courtiers and gentlemen of courage do wear either rings of gold, stones or pearls in their ears.[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earring#cite_note-0 Among sailors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailor, a pierced earlobe was a symbol that the wearer had sailed around the world or had crossed the equator.[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earring#cite_note-1 In addition, it is commonly held[*citation neededhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed *] that a gold earring was worn by sailors in payment for a proper burial in the event that they might drown at sea. Should their bodies have been washed up on shore, it was hoped that the earring would serve as payment for a proper *Christian* burial. Regardless of this expression, the practice predates Christianity and can be traced back as far as ancient Greece http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greece where the gold paid the ferryman, Charon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charon_(mythology), to provide passage across the river Styxhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Styx to Hades http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hades. On Oct 12, 2012, at 8:36 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: Hi Diane D, No, I don't know anything about gold earrings indicating someone was working as a sailor. Sorry, Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. Thank you, Frederick Souza 19 Owen Drive Stonington, CT 06378-1012 860-535-2670 mailto:...@comcast.net javascript: -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores old pics
It is so interesting to see these pictures and the consideration that they are around 40 years old. Much of this is the same, yet different as there has been 40 years of progress and today, particularly in Ponta Delgada, the tourist industry is thriving, cars travel on wonderful roads and the advances have been phenomenal. Those who have been there recently might want to share some of those pictures to present the contrast, and I am only sorry that I didn't take more pictures when there. On Oct 13, 2012, at 6:24 PM, Eliseu Silva wrote: Hi group, Go to this adress and you will find some good old pictures of the Azorean life: http://apache67.blogspot.pt/2005_04_01_apache67_archive.html The good news is that is in English!!! Eliseu Pacheco da Silva Researching S. Miguel and Graciosa: PACHECO, ARRUDA, SILVA, SOUSA, BETTENCOURT Azores Genealogy Group - I am proud of my membership!!! Thanks Cheri!!! -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. Thank you, Frederick Souza 19 Owen Drive Stonington, CT 06378-1012 860-535-2670 mailto:fsouz...@comcast.net -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS TAVARES
olá Moreno 22 Obrigada pela sua atenção e sua ajuda. Eu encontrei uma anotação de data de casamento nos manuscritos de Carlos Machado, Genealogias, página 423 de um ANTONIO MEDEIROS TAVARES com JOANNA [PETRONINA]BORGES com data de 29-07-1884, filho de MANOEL MEDEIROS TAVARES E VITÓRIA DA ENCARNAÇÃO. Não tem localização, mais outros membros desta família são de Capelas e não sei também se é o mesmo ANTONIO que procuro. Não tenho o nome da mãe do meu avô, mais o pai é certo. Aqui no Brasil ele teve mais 5 filhos cuja mãe é MARIA JOSÉ REGO. Imagino que ele teve 2 casamentos. É um quebra cabeça muito doido pois não consigo encaixar MARIA DE JESUS TAVARES. Verdadeiro trabalho de detetive! Requer muita paciência. Se ele o ANTONIO acima se casou em 1884, logo pela lógica o JOSÉ MEDEIROS TAVARES não teria nascido em 1880 mais tudo é possível acontecer. Esperarei liberarem os batismos de Capelas,no site da biblioteca dos Azores, e continuarei minha busca. Obrigada mesmo pela a atenção! Em sábado, 13 de outubro de 2012 15h04min14s UTC-3, Moreno22 escreveu: Olá fiz a pesquisa nas Capelas de Nascimentos, não encontrei nenhum Jose filho Antonio tavares de Medeiros entre Outubro de 1878 a Dezembro de 1881 não foi encontrado. On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Neuza Medeiros medeir...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Olá George! Eu resido no Brasil. Qualquer informação será bem vinda. Agradeço desde já a ajuda. 2012/9/24 George Pacheco bretan...@gmail.com javascript: Olá Neuza de onde você vive? O que posso é ver sexta -feira e confirmar o nascimento e os nomes quando eu for ão centro Histórico de Famila. e lhe mando a resposta. 2012/9/22 Neuza Medeiros medeir...@gmail.com javascript: Olá! Gostaria de saber se posso contar com alguém que possa me dar alguma informação sobre dados de meu avô JOSÉ MEDEIROS TAVARES, nascido em 07 de novembro de 1880, provavelmente em Capelas-Ponta Delgada-Ilha de São Miguel. Meu avô veio para o Brasil com 7 anos de idade, na companhia de seu pai ANTONIO MEDEIROS TAVARES e sua mãe MARIA JOSÉ DO REGO ou MARIA DE JESUS TAVARES (nome que gostaria de confirmar) pois não existe mais documentos do meu avô e mais um irmão MANOEL MEDEIROS TAVARES, data de nascimento desconhecida. Qualquer ajuda será bem vinda. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- www.georgepacheco.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- www.georgepacheco.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I think this is my grandmothers Baptism record. Can someone help with Translation.
Hi Adrian, My name is Jorge Costa Pires Filho. Manoel Borges Pires (was born about 1848 in Ilha da Madeira, Portugal - dead in oct, 3, 1902, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil ) and Maria Jose da Silva (was born about 1852, in Ilha da Madeira, Portugal, - dead in aug, 12 1913, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil ) both are in my Family Tree. They had six children: Manoel Borges Pires (Filho) - was born before 1873 José Borges Pires - was born in 1873 Leopoldina Borges Pires - was born after 1884 Maria Borges Pires - was born after 1873 Raymunda Borges Pires - was born after 1874 Carmem Borges Pires - was born after 1885 My father is Jorge Costa Pires and my grandfather is Oscar Borges Pires. The father of Oscar Borges Pires is José Borges Pires, brother of Manoel Borges Pires (Filho), father of Maria, who is in this document of baptism... Em quinta-feira, 4 de outubro de 2012 13h38min02s UTC-3, Adrian Martins escreveu: Thank you kindly. Adrian. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] clarification of translation - Santa Maria
Shirley and Cheri; Thanks to both of you for helping me with this one. I do have a couple more questions though. Do you have any idea why they have indicated a date after the priest's name? I have not seen this before. Also, at the bottom it says something like: they were joined in marriage on the 3rd of the current month but; at the top it says the 7th. Which date were they actually married? I have usually seen at the bottom something like it was as above on the current day, month and year. I have also asked someone else for his ideas on the above but; thought it wouldn't hurt to see what others had to say so, any help you can give would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Sam in CA (for 2 more days!) From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:12 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] clarification of translation - Santa Maria Sam, The word after 4th degree is 2 words: de consanguinidade. He ran the de into consan which is then continued on the next line. They are 3rd cousins. The date in the middle after the Lord Bishop's name is 63. He misspelled 60 (cesenta instead of sessenta or sesenta (another misspelling or old spelling)). See your date in the top line of the document. I'll think about those occupations after the names of the fathers. I have an idea they are day laborers. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree mechanics and design
Hi E I do not believe the Family search site will charge. I just learned that pretty soon the new.familysearch.org will go public. You will see family trees entered by members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints worldwide. I don't know for sure if it has been released but I've been on it as a family history consultant where I live. Maria Elena On Oct 13, 2012, at 3:37 PM, bellema...@gmail.com wrote: It is my understanding by reading various media that Ancestry.com is for sale and may soon be bought out. There are a couple of companies interested in purchasing it and I do not know if they are American companies or not and, if not, wonder if they will keep main offices in this country. I believe they now have an international office in Ireland. Also, will be interesting what, if any, changes will be made if/when they are bought out. I have enjoyed using Ancestry.com for many years now but this will be my last renewal as I don't use it in my research anymore, mainly to help others on this list and other lists and it is no longer cost effective for me. Now that FHC is putting many of its records on line I use it more and more as a resource, free for now, but wonder if it will remain the same in the future. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree mechanics and design
From what I understand, only those at the FHC (Family History Centers) have been able to access the newer site (probably as beta testers). Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
