Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] (Jews?)

[Shirl Sereque]

There is a Jewish cemetery on Terceira that lists all the Jewish people who are 
buried there.   Some are still Jewish.  My brother's DNA had a match with a man 
in Puerto Rico.  The man said his cousin was sure that they were Jewish at one 
time (he was Christian).  I was able to tell him that way-back-then "we" were 
Jewish.  His cousin was happy to know that his hunch was true, for what it 
matters.
- Shirl -



  

This subject continues to pluck on very sensitive strings. The historical 
documentation does not support a significant number of avowed (openly 
practicing, suspected of practicing, or known) Jews in the settlement or 
subsequent population of the Azores. You can look at all the historical 
research all you want, and you will not find evidence for much of a presence of 
Jews in any significant number  in the Azores. That being said, that does not 
mean that there were not Jews who were cryptic, i.e. secret Jews, who did not 
avow or practice their faith openly. We'll never know how many of those there 
might have been. 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Silveira Cardoso - Lajes do Pico (Jews?)

[pico]

I might have seen a mention of New Christian from the 1500s many years ago, but not sure.But I once knew a researcher on the mainland whose village was in Northern Portugal and the records go back amazingly to about 1530s, if I recall. He told me he found mention of New Christians in those records.So maybe that term began to fade away and by the late 1500s where we can usually find the earliest records these days the term was virtually gone.One thing that never faded away was the term Old Christian. Witnesses had to testify that certain individuals were Old Christians and had no "tainted" blood, whether black, Arab, or anything other than Portuguese. I have an ancestor who faced the Inquisition for what he said:"que deus nosso senhor não era mais que Deos dos ceos e não da terra." Someone kindly translated it for me:"that our lord god was God of the heavens and not of the earth."Another translation is, " that god our lord is nothing more than god in heaven, and not on earth"  This happened in 1593 and he was said to be a "christão velho" (Old Christian) born in Lajes do Pico.I can just imagine jaws dropping when those words fell on other's ears 420 years ago.:-)Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Silveira Cardoso - Lajes do Pico (Jews?)
From: John Raposo 
Date: Mon, April 22, 2013 11:06 am
To: "azores@googlegroups.com" 

This subject continues to pluck on very sensitive strings. The historical documentation does not support a significant number of avowed (openly practicing, suspected of practicing, or known) Jews in the settlement or subsequent population of the Azores. You can look at all the historical research all you want, and you will not find evidence for much of a presence of Jews in any significant number  in the Azores. That being said, that does not mean that there were not Jews who were cryptic, i.e. secret Jews, who did not avow or practice their faith openly. We'll never know how many of those there might have been. I have never found the terms Converso or New Christian used in any vital record in the Azores.And then there is the question of who is a Jew. The Jewish religion says that to be a Jew one's mother must have been a Jew (not your 10th great-grandmother), not your father.So, who is a Jew?  Is it a Christian whose ancestors 500 years ago were Jewish? Not according to Jewish law. Judaism is a religion, not a race. Descendants of Abraham who are Moslems (e.g. the Arab people (who are Semites) who descend from Abraham's other son, Ishmael, or his descendants who are, Hindus, Christians, Budahists, or atheists are not Jews. All that having been said, genetic research does support a much higher proportion of Azoreans of Jewish origin than can be documented by the historical record. I myself can proudly claim one documented Jewish female ancestor in the early 16th century.   However, I am not a Jew.As for Willem van der Hagen of Flanders, perhaps his ancestors were Jews. He himself was not as far as can be ascertained from the existing documentation. A converso totally unrelated to the man could have taken the name Silveira. That does not mean that all Silveiras are the descendants of Jews.This whole subject and this insistence on Jewish roots continues to perplex and fascinate me. We are who we; no amount of wishful thinking can make it otherwise.Thank you, Doug, for the additional information.John Miranda Raposo    From: "p...@dholmes.com"  To: azores@googlegroups.com  Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Silveira Cardoso - Lajes do Pico (Jews?)   This is such a reckless comment and should be viewed with contempt.There is no mention of the specific family of Silveira Cardoso in Lajes do Pico being of Jewish origin.All they say is that Silveira and Cardoso are names that were used by Jews when forced to convert.Sure. They picked every name available, but it has no bearing on whether the specific family of Silveira Cardoso in Lajes just happened to be these same Jews. It's highly unlikely.But put it to the test. Get some direct male descendant tested for Y-DNA and then you can put this to rest.Now, let's look a little closer. Silveira in most of the Azores has it's origins in Willem van der Hagen of Flanders. Nobody ever hinted that he was a Jew. He was a nobleman and that almost by itself tells us he was not.OK, so maybe someone forced to convert assumed this Silveira name. Well, that could happen, just as with any other surname. Same for Cardoso.I have at this moment 24 males who used Silveira Cardoso and were married in Lajes do Pico.Most have fathers with other names - not Silveira Cardoso. So to be clear, one must pick one of these and I don't know which ones they might pick.Let's narrow it down to those born in the 1700s.Two have a father using Silveira Machado.Two

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1854 baptismal record from Flores, plus Flores/Corvo a...

[David]

Joanne, if I may, I'd like to offer a "friendly amendment" to your comment 
below...  Santo Christo is the mother church of all the Portuguese churches 
in the *City* of Fall River, not in the Diocese.  The first Portuguese 
Roman Catholic parish in not just that diocese but in all of North America 
was St. John the Baptist in New Bedford.  Santo Christo was formed 
precisely because St. John's was too far for the Fall River Portuguese to 
travel to conveniently.  

By the way, tragically, the Diocese closed St. John's last year, although 
the parishioners are appealing to the Vatican to reverse the decision.  If 
anyone else here is, as am I, a descendant of families who belonged to St. 
John's, you may be interested to know that I spoke some months ago with 
Msgr. John Oliveira -- who has been pastoring both St. John's and another 
historic New Bedford Portuguese church, Our Lady of Mount Carmel -- to 
inquire about what would happen to the parish records.  (I was afraid they 
would be sent to the diocesan archives and become de facto inaccessible 
there.)  He informed me that all of the St. John's records were being 
transferred to Mount Carmel and inquiries could be directed there, but that 
it would take some time in the transition and consolidation of the parishes 
before they could field genealogical research inquiries (although they 
would fulfill immediately any inquiry needed for religious purposes).

David da Silva Cornell
Miami, FL

Researching the following surnames:
 
Faial - Terra (unknown freguesia(s))
 
Flores - Freitas, Lourenço, Coelho (unknown freguesia(s))
 
Pico - Silveira Cardoso, Macedo, Machado, Pereira Madruga, Ferreira,
Cardoso, Cardoso Machado, Vieira, Bettencourt, Dutra, Castanho, Homem,
Goulart, Quaresma, Moniz, Barreto, Silveira, Mancebo, Pereira, Álvares (all
Lajes do Pico)
 
S. Jorge - Silva, Botelho, Azevedo, Cardoso (Urzelina); Silva, Azevedo,
Cardoso (Santo António in Norte Grande)



On Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:35:25 PM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:
>
> Al,
> I would try contacting Santo Christo Church in Fall River, MA.  They are 
> the mother church of all the Portuguese churches in the Diocese of Fall 
> River and if you ask nicely, they might look up the info for you.  Worth a 
> try but you might want to contact them sooner than later.  Rumors have it 
> that they may be merging with another parish in the near future and those 
> books will be moved to a new home.  
> *
> *
> *Joanne*
> *
> *
> *Joanne Medeiros Grota Mercier*
> Researching Bretanha (Medeiros Grota, Benevides, deSouza), Lagoa (Luiz, 
> d'Oliveira Homem) and Rabo de Peixe (Martins Gouveia)
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Translation of Death Record for Miguel de Souza Ataide - Graciosa

[Kawika322]

Hi Eliseu, 
 
I just noticed that I did not have or see your email address to send you 
the jpeg of the death record. If you could provide the email I will send it 
along. 
 
Thanks, 
 
  David

On Monday, April 22, 2013 2:42:17 AM UTC-7, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote:

> Hi,
> I habe some sousa ataíde ancestors from Graciosa. Can you send me the 
> original jpeg of the record you are attaching here? This way is very 
> difficult to read it.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
>
>
> No dia 22/04/2013, às 06:51, Kawika322 > 
> escreveu:
>
> I was wondering if someone could help translate a death record of one of 
> my ancestors Miguel de Souza Ataide. I was able to get a moderate amount 
> from the record, but I know I am missing some of the other detailed info.
> I do not have any info on the parents of Miguel de Souza Ataide and was 
> hoping something in the record may give more info on him. 
>  
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. Attached is the death record from 2 
> Mar 1764 in Luz, Graciosa.
>  
>   Thanks, 
>  
>  David
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Jorge marriage records

[Mary Bordi]

I have found them to be online except for a few missing years where I have 
researched. I research two villages in the concelho of Velas, plus I have 
looked at a few years in the city itself.

Mary




On Apr 22, 2013, at 3:25 PM, Gerri Martin  wrote:

> Are the marriage records from Sao Jorge online at CCA? I was told by an 
> elderly family member that my husbands great grandparents, Joseph Marshall 
> Nunes and Mary Carolina Morais were from Velas. I have searched for their 
> marriage record to no avail. (Looked at all of the Sao Jorge records online 
> from 1892 - 1895.) Any suggestions?
>  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Jorge marriage records

[Cheri Mello]

Gerri M,

To see which islands and freguesias are online at the CCA site, go to the
CCA site and click on the white button (the finger tip has to point at the
white button or it won't load):
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/

I'm not a Sao Jorge researcher, but I think they have that island fully
uploaded.  Those who research Sao Jorge will confirm.

Joseph Marshall Nunes would probably appear as Jose Machado Nunes and Mary
Carolina Morais would probably appear as Maria Carolina Morias.  Now, when
you were told that these ancestors were from Velas, did that mean Velas the
city or somewhere within the council of Velas?  You may have to check all 6
freguesias in Velas or broaden your search to 1890-1899.  Or question the
relative to be SURE that they married in Velas and not America.  Just
because they were from Velas doesn't mean they married there.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1854 baptismal record from Flores, plus Flores/Corvo a...

[David]

Al, thanks so much for that information -- although I wish it gave me a 
little more hope.  I had been hoping that the RC records would be more 
detailed than the civil ones are.  I'll start my search with St. Joseph's 
-- but will pray it was actually at a different church with a more 
detail-oriented pastor, lol...  Thanks again.

David da Silva Cornell
Miami, FL

Researching the following surnames:
 
Faial - Terra (unknown freguesia(s))
 
Flores - Freitas, Lourenço, Coelho (unknown freguesia(s))
 
Pico - Silveira Cardoso, Macedo, Machado, Pereira Madruga, Ferreira,
Cardoso, Cardoso Machado, Vieira, Bettencourt, Dutra, Castanho, Homem,
Goulart, Quaresma, Moniz, Barreto, Silveira, Mancebo, Pereira, Álvares (all
Lajes do Pico)
 
S. Jorge - Silva, Botelho, Azevedo, Cardoso (Urzelina); Silva, Azevedo,
Cardoso (Santo António in Norte Grande)


On Sunday, April 21, 2013 2:40:50 PM UTC-4, alro...@aol.com wrote:
>
>  David,
> I ran into a similar problem tracing marriage records for that time 
> period in Providence. Let me tell you what I found.
> The only RC church in the Portuguese community area of India/Fox point 
> was an Irish church ... St Joseph's at 90 Hope St, Providence.
> I wish you luck ... the Irish did not record anything but witnesses. I 
> actually learned more from the civil record because at least that gave the 
> anglicized names of their parents. Hope you make out with better luck.
>  
> In my case it was my great grandmother who came to Providence from Flores 
> and married my great grandfather at St Joseph's in 1876. He was from Sao 
> Jorge.
>  
> Interestingly, none of their children were baptized at St Joseph's ... 
> most likely they were done by a visiting priest from Fall River. They were 
> tasked to meet the needs of the Portuguese community in Providence for 
> decades. Until 1895 when Holy Rosary church opened (actually a bit earlier 
> because the parish was temporarily established in a civilian meeting hall 
> for some number of years while Holy Rosary was built).
>  
> I'd love to one day locate the files of those baptisms in Fall River.
>  
> FYI ... here is a link to info on my great grandmother: Anna Emelia 
> Silveira (who I thought was maiden name SILVA because that is what every US 
> record gave as her maiden name. I only discovered it was SILVEIRA with the 
> help of DNA.
>  
> http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=butchrose&id=I335
>  
> Al Rose
>  
>  
>  In a message dated 4/21/2013 12:12:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> dsdsc...@gmail.com  writes:
>
> Thanks much, Eric.  I know the 1870 federal census lists my 
> g'g'grandmother as 18, and her Providence marriage record, but the family 
> bible kept by her daughter, my g'grandmother, lists the 1854 date I have 
> been searching, and has so far been accurate as to all other dates.  
> Moreover, her death certificate in Jan. 1905 lists an age of 50, which 
> would be consistent with a birth year of 1854 (as in the family bible), 
> while other censuses and records suggest still other years:  the 1880 
> federal census, about 1853, and the 1900 federal census, about 1855.  Our 
> family assumed she upped her given age from 16 to 18 at the time of her 
> marriage, and then later in life started subtracting years, but that the 
> family bible and death certificate were the most accurate sources.
>
> However, as I just noted in a separate reply to Cheri Mello, I downloaded 
> the Casais das Flores book and have gone through it and -- while you're 
> right that there appears to be no marriage record for Bernardo Jozé Louren
> ço -- I found three children of his and Anna Emilia's getting married in 
> the parish of Fajãs.  Unfortunately for me, one of these marriages, of an 
> Ana Bernarda, appears to be of the same person whose baptismal record I was 
> deciphering, so presumably that Anna is indeed not my Anna after all.
>
> In order to make the leap back to the CCA records and the Casais book, it 
> looks like I'm going to have to pursue next something I've tried to obtain 
> but not had luck with so far -- Anna's Roman Catholic marriage record, as 
> opposed to her Providence marriage record, which of course doesn't give a 
> freguesia, and only gives her parents' anglicized first names and no 
> surnames.  The Providence marriage record doesn't list the church where 
> Anna married Antonio/Antone/Antoine/Anthony Hurd/Hard/Heard (all of these 
> variants of his anglicized name appear in various records), but does list 
> the priest who married them:  William Halligan.  I've tried to locate via 
> Google the parish he was serving in at the time of the marriage in 1870, 
> but have only found parishes where he served in later years.  (Apparently, 
> Halligan helped start or grow a number of RI parishes.)  
>
> Unfortunately, the marriage occurred in an odd period for the records of 
> RI RC churches, right before the Diocese of Hartford (which was based not 
> in Hartford but in Providen

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1854 baptismal record from Flores, plus Flores/Corvo and Faial questions

[David]

Hi Ralph -- All of my known Silveira Cardoso and Silveira ancestors are 
from Pico, not Faial; it's my Freitas line that traces to Flores.  In other 
words, while we may be related somewhere back there (as are many/most 
Azorean Silveira descendants) it's probably not close, given the difference 
in islands.

Re DNA, I haven't yet had a test done, but my Silveira Cardosos and 
Silveiras aren't in a direct matrilineal or patrilineal line to me, so at 
least as I understand it we wouldn't be able to be sure about any specific 
lines intersecting.

David da Silva Cornell
Miami, FL

Researching the following surnames:
 
Faial - Terra (unknown freguesia(s))
 
Flores - Freitas, Lourenço, Coelho (unknown freguesia(s))
 
Pico - Silveira Cardoso, Macedo, Machado, Pereira Madruga, Ferreira,
Cardoso, Cardoso Machado, Vieira, Bettencourt, Dutra, Castanho, Homem,
Goulart, Quaresma, Moniz, Barreto, Silveira, Mancebo, Pereira, Álvares (all
Lajes do Pico)
 
S. Jorge - Silva, Botelho, Azevedo, Cardoso (Urzelina); Silva, Azevedo,
Cardoso (Santo António in Norte Grande)


On Sunday, April 21, 2013 5:35:10 PM UTC-4, Ralph Sellars wrote:
>
> Hello David:
>  
> I have been reading your post with interest.   I am a novice at Azores 
> genealogy so I don't know how to address issues but post to ask a 
> question.   Have you discovered any of your Silveira's may have come 
> from  Cedros, Flores  which is on the  north east shore ?  
>  
> I have a great grandfather known in the states as Manuel Lewis !  He was a 
> mariner/fisherman who resided in Provincetown Massachusetts.  His USA 
> papers show him born in Flores in 1834.  I have recently learned the 
> following: 
>  
> Translation:
> Manuel, son of José Joaquim da Silveira and his wife Catarina Luísa, 
> paternal grandson of captain Agostinho José da Silveira and Rita Ináciaand 
> maternal of Manuel 
> Inácio da Silveira and Ana Joaquina, both native of Cedros, Flores 
> Island, was born on 10 July 1834 and was baptized on the 11th, in Cedros. 
> Witnesses were João José and Manuel Francisco."  This was the  only 
> Manuel found born in 1834 to a father named Jose and mother named Catarina 
> in a search of seven Flores freguesias. 
>  
> I don't have any sense of how mobile families were on the Island, 
> community to community, but having many of the same names, Silveira, 
> Jose, Ana/Anna, Inacia, etc. I am wondering if we may be distantly 
> related?
>  
> Manuel is my mothers grandfather.  I am wondering if I might have a DNA 
> test made.  I don't know if it would tell us anything compared to your test 
> or which test would be necessary.  What test did you have made. 
>   
> *Ralph E. Sellars, Jr. *
> *E-Mail resj...@yahoo.com *
> ** 
>
>   *From:* David >
> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com  
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 21, 2013 2:27 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1854 baptismal record from Flores, plus 
> Flores/Corvo and Faial questions
>
> Yes, I had already seen the passport application, and this is indeed my 
> Antonio and Anna Hurd.  The date of birth differs, though, from some 
> other records, all of which however are 1844-45.
>
> The Ribeirinha record is interesting -- where did you get it, the UMinhosite? 
> -- but, aside from the 7 day difference in birth date, it also 
> conflicts with the information listed on his 1870 Providence marriage 
> certificate, where his parents are listed (anglicized) as Manuel and Rose 
> and so presumably the correct names are Manuel and Rosa.  While the 
> Ribeirinha Maria Rosa may be my Rosa, it seems less likely that the 
> Ribeirinha Francisco Inácio da Terra is my Manuel.
>
> Can't wait for CCA to finish loading all of Faial, so looks like it's 
> time for microfiche at the LDS FHC...
>
> Thanks again,
>
> David da Silva Cornell
>
> On Friday, April 19, 2013 3:29:42 PM UTC-4, luiznoia wrote: 
>
>
>
> Here's a better choice for Antonio Hurd. The attached Passport from 1903 
> is clearly Antonio and Anna Hurd He shows he was born at Faial on 6 Sep1844
>
>  António 
> Nascido(a) a 13 de Junho de 1844 - Ribeirinha
> Falecido(a)
>
> Pais
>
> Francisco Inácio da Terra 1814-1880
> Maria Rosa 1809-1844
>
> He states he is returning to New Bedford where he runs a boarding house. 
>
> The difference  of 7 days may be between birth and baptism
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:12 AM, eric edgar  wrote:
>
> Flores marriage book doesn't show anything record for  Bernardo Joze 
> Lourenco.  
>
> The 1870 census shows Anna is eighteen, as does her marriage record of the 
> same year. That puts her birth at 1851-1852.
>
> Obit for their son from Diario de Noticias attached .
>
> I've searched my Flores databases for Anna with out success. I have many 
> Coelho, Lourenco and Freitas families related to mine. 
>
> I think this is the origin of your Terra family in Faial  :
>
>  *António Inácio da Terra*
> *
> *
> * *
> *Nascido a 25 de Abril de 1800 - Pedro Miguel*
> *
> *
> *Casado a 29 de Maio de 1841 com Rosa Perpétua d

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Silveira Cardoso - Lajes do Pico (Jews?)

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Well said John, I have noticed some researchers working hard to prove they
have Jewish roots and for what reason? Several years ago I was at an annual
meeting of the now defunct APGHS and they had a speaker on this subject. It
was so long ago I can’t remember the details. I will have to check my
journals as I think they may have published part of his speech. 

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Silveira Cardoso - Lajes do Pico (Jews?)

 

This subject continues to pluck on very sensitive strings. The historical
documentation does not support a significant number of avowed (openly
practicing, suspected of practicing, or known) Jews in the settlement or
subsequent population of the Azores. You can look at all the historical
research all you want, and you will not find evidence for much of a presence
of Jews in any significant number  in the Azores. That being said, that does
not mean that there were not Jews who were cryptic, i.e. secret Jews, who
did not avow or practice their faith openly. We'll never know how many of
those there might have been. 

I have never found the terms Converso or New Christian used in any vital
record in the Azores.

And then there is the question of who is a Jew. The Jewish religion says
that to be a Jew one's mother must have been a Jew (not your 10th
great-grandmother), not your father.

So, who is a Jew?  Is it a Christian whose ancestors 500 years ago were
Jewish? Not according to Jewish law. Judaism is a religion, not a race.
Descendants of Abraham who are Moslems (e.g. the Arab people (who are
Semites) who descend from Abraham's other son, Ishmael, or his descendants
who are, Hindus, Christians, Budahists, or atheists are not Jews. 

All that having been said, genetic research does support a much higher
proportion of Azoreans of Jewish origin than can be documented by the
historical record. I myself can proudly claim one documented Jewish female
ancestor in the early 16th century.   However, I am not a Jew.

As for Willem van der Hagen of Flanders, perhaps his ancestors were Jews. He
himself was not as far as can be ascertained from the existing
documentation. A converso totally unrelated to the man could have taken the
name Silveira. That does not mean that all Silveiras are the descendants of
Jews.

This whole subject and this insistence on Jewish roots continues to perplex
and fascinate me. We are who we; no amount of wishful thinking can make it
otherwise.

Thank you, Doug, for the additional information.

John Miranda Raposo  

 

 

  _  

From: "p...@dholmes.com" 
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 1:00 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Silveira Cardoso - Lajes do Pico (Jews?)

 

This is such a reckless comment and should be viewed with contempt.

 

There is no mention of the specific family of Silveira Cardoso in Lajes do
Pico being of Jewish origin.

 

All they say is that Silveira and Cardoso are names that were used by Jews
when forced to convert.

Sure. They picked every name available, but it has no bearing on whether the
specific family of Silveira Cardoso in Lajes just happened to be these same
Jews. It's highly unlikely.

 

But put it to the test. Get some direct male descendant tested for Y-DNA and
then you can put this to rest.

 

Now, let's look a little closer. Silveira in most of the Azores has it's
origins in Willem van der Hagen of Flanders. Nobody ever hinted that he was
a Jew. He was a nobleman and that almost by itself tells us he was not.

 

OK, so maybe someone forced to convert assumed this Silveira name. Well,
that could happen, just as with any other surname. Same for Cardoso.

 

I have at this moment 24 males who used Silveira Cardoso and were married in
Lajes do Pico.

 

Most have fathers with other names - not Silveira Cardoso. So to be clear,
one must pick one of these and I don't know which ones they might pick.

 

Let's narrow it down to those born in the 1700s.

Two have a father using Silveira Machado.

Two have a father named Amaro Luis Pereira.

One has a father names Silveira da Silva.

One has an unknown father and was born in Ribeiras next door.

One has Silveira Armao.

One was a Capitao and surely of noble descent whose father was Silveira de
Bettencourt, the Capitao-mor (highest military title available).

One has Pereira Cardoso.

One has Pereira Gigante.

Another is from Ribeiras and traces back to the 1600s with Cardoso da
Silveira.

 

Chances are best that the reason there are many by this particular name
combination is that both Silveira and Cardoso are revered names by reason of
the noble family such as the above Capitao-mor.

 

If anyone wants t

[AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA sale extended to Thursday, April 25, 11:59 pm CDT

[Cheri Mello]

(Cross posted to the following lists: Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes)

Family Tree DNA has extended their DNA sale though April 25th, ending at
11:59 pm CDT.

They also publicly announced that they will have a Y-DNA upgrade sale
around Father's Day.  They did not say if this will be the same as the
Sizzling Summer Sale or not.  Since FTDNA is an American based company,
Father's Day is Sunday, June 16, so they must be aiming for mid-June.

If you have Azorean roots, order here: goo.gl/zVDos
If you have Madeiran roots, order here: goo.gl/peutQ

If you have both, pick one of the above projects.

If you are looking to join your spouse or other relative to a
non-Portuguese project, email Cheri directly at gfscherim at gmail.com and
I'll find a project for you.

(Thanks Edward Rodrigues for calling this to my attention.  You got your
Facts & Genes newsletter about 4 hours before I received mine).

Cheri Mello
Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pat Amaral: Stone Fleet and Conversos

[David]

Thanks so much for the kind responses, Greg, Eric, John, and "E."  I'm 
delighted to know that Pat's materials seem to have wound up at 
UMass-Dartmouth and I'll be contacting the folks suggested to see how the 
materials can be researched.  Thanks again to all.

David da Silva Cornell
Miami, FL

Researching the following surnames:
 
Faial - Terra (unknown freguesia(s))
 
Flores - Freitas, Lourenço, Coelho (unknown freguesia(s))
 
Pico - Silveira Cardoso, Macedo, Machado, Pereira Madruga, Ferreira,
Cardoso, Cardoso Machado, Vieira, Bettencourt, Dutra, Castanho, Homem,
Goulart, Quaresma, Moniz, Barreto, Silveira, Mancebo, Pereira, Álvares (all
Lajes do Pico)
 
S. Jorge - Silva, Botelho, Azevedo, Cardoso (Urzelina); Silva, Azevedo,
Cardoso (Santo António in Norte Grande)


On Sunday, April 21, 2013 5:21:38 PM UTC-4, Greg Dias wrote:
>
>   David,
>  I too, have some of Pat Amarals info, turns out she was my fathers first 
> cousin.
> I never met her, I only just found out a year ago my Portuguese roots were 
> from the Azores (long story)
>  Anyway I did some scouting around and found the APGHS is no longer 
> functioning (I far as I know)
>  But I found that all of her work was originally sent to donated to the 
> Taunton Library. Then sent over to UMASS
>  According to Sonia Pacheco, her contact info below, she told me this:
>  ** 
> *The APGHS collection is comprised primarily of their book collection; 
> the 30,000 number that I saw at one point in this email thread refers to a 
> series of index cards that they put together trying to document all known 
> Portuguese individuals in the United States. There are *many* problems with 
> those records, and I generally do not recommend researchers use them unless 
> they're absolutely stuck on an individual and are grasping at straws for a 
> lead.
>
> We do indeed know the correct name of the collection that was donated to 
> us; note that it was Susanne who got it wrong ;) Again, several reasons 
> were at play as to why the collection was donated to us and not to another 
> public library, the most significant being that we are the only archives in 
> the United States who's mission is to document Portuguese-American history 
> and therefore it made sense that we be the permanent home of the records.
>
> The materials that they have on individual families (a limited number) has 
> been cataloged and is searchable using our library catalog. 
>
> Please let me know if you have any other questions, 
>
> Sonia*
>
> -
> So, I hope this helps, good luck in your search. Sonia also told me that 
> “maybe” one day they would ever digitize the collection? 
>  We are going to the Azores this May 7th, I am very excited since with 
> the help of the group and Pat Amaral’s tenacity I have connected with 
> family there and will visit the home of my Great Grandfather and see the 
> birthplace my grandfather 
>  Greg Dias / Furtado. Ihlas Faial/Pico
>
>  
> Contact info for:
> Sónia Pacheco 
> Librarian Archivist
> Ferreira-Mendes Portuguese American Archives
> Claire T. Carney Library
> University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
> 285 Old Westport Road
> N. Dartmouth, MA 02747
> Tel. 508-999-8695
> Fax 508-999-8424
> Email spac...@umassd.edu 
> Web site: http://www.lib.umassd.edu/archives/Archives.html
>   
>  *From:* David  
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 21, 2013 1:13 AM
> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com  
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Pat Amaral: Stone Fleet and Conversos
>  
> When I started working on the family history as a teen in the '70s, I 
> maintained for a while a lively correspondence with Pat Amaral, one of the 
> leaders in establishing Portuguese-American genealogy.  I understand that 
> she passed away some years ago.
>
> Pat informed me that my g'g'grandfather Antonio Hurd / António da Terra 
> had served the Union during the Civil War, as a sailor in the Stone Fleet 
> (sometimes called the "Great Stone Fleet").  (For those not familiar with 
> this attempt to blockade Confederate harbors, here's an overview:  
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Fleet)
>
> I have combed through Union records (from during the period as well as 
> later records regarding veterans and pensioners) but found no mention of my 
> g'g'grandfather under any conceivable variant of his anglicized name or of 
> his original Portuguese name.  I'm thinking that perhaps the sailors of the 
> Stone Fleet were never formally enlisted in the Union Navy...
>
> I have my side of my correspondence with Pat in storage in a different 
> city, but as I recall she didn't indicate what her source was.  Does anyone 
> else here have an ancestor who (actually or allegedly) sailed with the 
> Stone Fleet, and thus has familiarity with the relevant sources?  And/or 
> does anyone know what Pat did with her source materials collection -- i.e., 
> is it in a library somewhere, or otherwise accessible to 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New Bedford St John's Cemetery Lookup Needed

[pbr4gen]

Cindy,


There is an obit for Jose Silva, whose widow is Margarida Pimentel Silva, on 
page 2 of the Dec. 15, 1942 edition of Diario de Noticias. Children are Mrs. 
Frederick D. Sherman, Mrs. Manuel Marchall, Mrs. Weldon Rhodes, Mrs. Jesse 
Hemman, Mrs. Frederick Johnson, Jose, George and Alfredo.


Patricia

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Jorge marriage records

[Gerri Martin]

Are the marriage records from Sao Jorge online at CCA? I was told by an 
elderly family member that my husbands great grandparents, Joseph Marshall 
Nunes and Mary Carolina Morais were from Velas. I have searched for their 
marriage record to no avail. (Looked at all of the Sao Jorge records online 
from 1892 - 1895.) Any suggestions?
 
Gerri Martin

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Medeiros of Faial and PIco

[pico]

If you do a lot of research in Faial records, you will surely notice many Medeiros families.Many of them undoubtedly also settled in Madalena and other Pico villages.Just now I was looking through the genealogies of the island of Graciosa called:Livro de Genealogias da Ilha Graciosa - Mateus Machado Fagundes d'Azevedo It was there that I found mention of possibly the first person named Medeiros on Faial.Her name was Maria Afonso de Medeiros, wife of Diogo Afonso Picanço.It says they were the original settlers of Faial and lived in Praia do Almoxarife.While I thought there was a great chance the Medeiros of Faial and Pico were originally from São Miguel, the fact that Maria Afonso de Medeiros came from the city of Faro on the mainland leads me to now believe she could be the source of Medeiros for these islands.I don't know if he's on this list, but an old friend of mine in Brasil named Décio de Medeiros, whose Medeiros family came from Faial, might know more about this. Maybe he will chime in here. There could be more early Medeiros people who settled in Faial with other origins.I have an ancestor named Pedro Vieira de Medeiros living in São Roque do Pico. But neither of his parents used Medeiros. I suspect his grandfather might have been one Gonçalo de Medeiros born in the late 1500s and living in Bandeiras, Pico. He could be a grandson of this Maria Afonso de Medeiros - just a guess, though.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New Bedford St John's Cemetery Lookup Needed

[Pam Santos]

That would be great, I have spent enough on death certs that were not him
already lol One relative said he was buried in Oak Grove Cemetery and he is
not according to the cememtery. Not sure where he died possibly Fall River,
New Bedford. He did live in Fairhaven and according to relatives he died
probably in Bristol Co, MA His siblings are in St Patrick Cemetery


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 1:54 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> Pam,
>
> I will try to find your Joseph Silva.
>
> "E"
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 1:53 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>
>> Cindy,
>>
>> You can call or write to the Cemetery and they will give you the death
>> date especially because you have the location he is in at the cemetery and
>> they like this.  If you are real nice to them, they are real nice in
>> return.  They can give it to you right over the phone and also they can
>> tell you if anyone else is buried with them.  You should be able to get a
>> death certificate from New Bedford Vitals.  I think the cost is about $15
>> now.  My niece need her parent's marriage record when her mom passed away
>> and she called Vitals and took the info over the phone plus her credit card
>> number and she got it a few days later.  Here is the Cemetery info:
>> St. John's Cemetery 664 Allen Street. New Bedford MA 02740
>> Ph:   (508) 992-1071
>>
>> NB Vital Records, you can email her at:
>> elizabeth.marq...@newbedford-ma.gov
>> Mail Addy and Phone No. City Clerks Office - 133 William St - Room 118 -
>> New Bedford, MA 02740 - Tel: 508-979-1450 - Fax: 508-991-6225
>>
>> You might also want to get his Obit from NB Public Library and they are
>> online.  If you need any more help, just ask.
>>
>> "E"
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Pam Santos wrote:
>>
>>> If you happen to come across a Joseph Silva born Mar 23.1874 let me
>>> know. I am looking for this last brother's death who died between 1936-1943
>>> in Massachusettes
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Cindy D  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks ElaineI don't think this is my gal.  She may be listed under
 Margaret.  I did see a Margaret T Silvia at find-a-grave and maybe that's
 her.  Except mine is a Margaret U Sylvia nee Pimentel (Flores).   I really
 need her death certificate because I need a court order to release her
 medical information and I have to have a birth and death date.and SS#.
 I don't think she ever held a job as she had some "emotional" issues so I
 don't think I'm going to get a SS#.  I also need a Bristol County lawyer to
 generate the court order.  Everything is hanging on getting a death date.

 Thank you for your Azorean Wisdom!
 CindyD

 On Monday, April 15, 2013 9:46:10 PM UTC-5, E Sharp wrote:

>  There is a Margarida O. Sylvia but she was b. 1891 and died in 1979
> buried in St. Jude Section.
>
> The book is a little difficult to go through as I have to go page by
> page as it is sorted by section and then by surname.
>
> Also, by obtaining the exact date of death for Joseph from the
> cemetery, you can email the New Bedford Public Library and ask for an
> obituary.  I believe they now charge for this but it is minimal if memory
> serves me correctly.  Been a while since I ordered one from them.  In the
> meantime, I will check the Portuguese paper and see if I can find one 
> there.
>
> "E"
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 6:31 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>
>>  There is another Joseph Sylvia buried in St. Anthony Section.  b.
>> 1875 d. 1942.  The previous one I sent was b. 1872 and died 1945 so I 
>> think
>> this one is probably the one you are looking for.  Call the cemetery, be
>> very nice, and ask them to look for his record.  They can give you exact
>> date of his death, etc.  I will try to find his wife's record.  According
>> to this record, there is no other name on the stone.
>>
>> "E"
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 6:24 PM, "E" Sharp wrote:
>>
>>>  St. John's Cemetery records are online at findagrave.com.  It does
>>> list Joseph b. 1875 d. 1942.  I have the SJ cemetery book.  Joseph is
>>> buried in St. Francis Section of St. John's.  He is buried with Virginia
>>> 1879-1951 and Angelina Barboza 1901-1946. Not sure if this is the right 
>>> one
>>> as no Margarida listed on stone.  On Findagrave.com you can request a 
>>> photo
>>> of the stones and most times you will receive one.  Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> "E"
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Mike  wrote:
>>>
 this inccludes all the old Catholic cemeteries


 On Monday, April 15, 2013 9:27:34 PM UTC-4, Cindy D wrote:

>
> Does anyone have the St John's Cemetery Book for a lookup. I'm
> desperate.
>
> Joseph Sylvia/Silvia/daSilva.  Should have died in 1942 according
> to fa

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New Bedford St John's Cemetery Lookup Needed

["E" Sharp]

Pam,

I will try to find your Joseph Silva.

"E"


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 1:53 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> Cindy,
>
> You can call or write to the Cemetery and they will give you the death
> date especially because you have the location he is in at the cemetery and
> they like this.  If you are real nice to them, they are real nice in
> return.  They can give it to you right over the phone and also they can
> tell you if anyone else is buried with them.  You should be able to get a
> death certificate from New Bedford Vitals.  I think the cost is about $15
> now.  My niece need her parent's marriage record when her mom passed away
> and she called Vitals and took the info over the phone plus her credit card
> number and she got it a few days later.  Here is the Cemetery info:
> St. John's Cemetery 664 Allen Street. New Bedford MA 02740
> Ph:   (508) 992-1071
>
> NB Vital Records, you can email her at:
> elizabeth.marq...@newbedford-ma.gov
> Mail Addy and Phone No. City Clerks Office - 133 William St - Room 118 -
> New Bedford, MA 02740 - Tel: 508-979-1450 - Fax: 508-991-6225
>
> You might also want to get his Obit from NB Public Library and they are
> online.  If you need any more help, just ask.
>
> "E"
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Pam Santos wrote:
>
>> If you happen to come across a Joseph Silva born Mar 23.1874 let me know.
>> I am looking for this last brother's death who died between 1936-1943 in
>> Massachusettes
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Cindy D  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks ElaineI don't think this is my gal.  She may be listed under
>>> Margaret.  I did see a Margaret T Silvia at find-a-grave and maybe that's
>>> her.  Except mine is a Margaret U Sylvia nee Pimentel (Flores).   I really
>>> need her death certificate because I need a court order to release her
>>> medical information and I have to have a birth and death date.and SS#.
>>> I don't think she ever held a job as she had some "emotional" issues so I
>>> don't think I'm going to get a SS#.  I also need a Bristol County lawyer to
>>> generate the court order.  Everything is hanging on getting a death date.
>>>
>>> Thank you for your Azorean Wisdom!
>>> CindyD
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 15, 2013 9:46:10 PM UTC-5, E Sharp wrote:
>>>
  There is a Margarida O. Sylvia but she was b. 1891 and died in 1979
 buried in St. Jude Section.

 The book is a little difficult to go through as I have to go page by
 page as it is sorted by section and then by surname.

 Also, by obtaining the exact date of death for Joseph from the
 cemetery, you can email the New Bedford Public Library and ask for an
 obituary.  I believe they now charge for this but it is minimal if memory
 serves me correctly.  Been a while since I ordered one from them.  In the
 meantime, I will check the Portuguese paper and see if I can find one 
 there.

 "E"


 On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 6:31 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

>  There is another Joseph Sylvia buried in St. Anthony Section.  b.
> 1875 d. 1942.  The previous one I sent was b. 1872 and died 1945 so I 
> think
> this one is probably the one you are looking for.  Call the cemetery, be
> very nice, and ask them to look for his record.  They can give you exact
> date of his death, etc.  I will try to find his wife's record.  According
> to this record, there is no other name on the stone.
>
> "E"
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 6:24 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>
>>  St. John's Cemetery records are online at findagrave.com.  It does
>> list Joseph b. 1875 d. 1942.  I have the SJ cemetery book.  Joseph is
>> buried in St. Francis Section of St. John's.  He is buried with Virginia
>> 1879-1951 and Angelina Barboza 1901-1946. Not sure if this is the right 
>> one
>> as no Margarida listed on stone.  On Findagrave.com you can request a 
>> photo
>> of the stones and most times you will receive one.  Hope this helps.
>>
>> "E"
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Mike  wrote:
>>
>>> this inccludes all the old Catholic cemeteries
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 15, 2013 9:27:34 PM UTC-4, Cindy D wrote:
>>>

 Does anyone have the St John's Cemetery Book for a lookup. I'm
 desperate.

 Joseph Sylvia/Silvia/daSilva.  Should have died in 1942 according
 to family, born Dec 1875 in St Miguel.

 His wifeMargarita/Margaret/**Mar**garida Silvia/Sylvia  nee
 Pimentel, died 1939 born in Flores.

 If not, I had an address to someone I could write to at the
 cemetery but have mislaid it, does anyone have that information??

 CindyD
 Sylvia/Pimentel


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New Bedford St John's Cemetery Lookup Needed

["E" Sharp]

Cindy,

You can call or write to the Cemetery and they will give you the death date
especially because you have the location he is in at the cemetery and they
like this.  If you are real nice to them, they are real nice in return.
They can give it to you right over the phone and also they can tell you if
anyone else is buried with them.  You should be able to get a death
certificate from New Bedford Vitals.  I think the cost is about $15 now.
My niece need her parent's marriage record when her mom passed away and she
called Vitals and took the info over the phone plus her credit card number
and she got it a few days later.  Here is the Cemetery info:
St. John's Cemetery 664 Allen Street. New Bedford MA 02740
Ph:   (508) 992-1071

NB Vital Records, you can email her at:  elizabeth.marq...@newbedford-ma.gov
Mail Addy and Phone No. City Clerks Office - 133 William St - Room 118 -
New Bedford, MA 02740 - Tel: 508-979-1450 - Fax: 508-991-6225

You might also want to get his Obit from NB Public Library and they are
online.  If you need any more help, just ask.

"E"


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Pam Santos  wrote:

> If you happen to come across a Joseph Silva born Mar 23.1874 let me know.
> I am looking for this last brother's death who died between 1936-1943 in
> Massachusettes
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Cindy D  wrote:
>
>> Thanks ElaineI don't think this is my gal.  She may be listed under
>> Margaret.  I did see a Margaret T Silvia at find-a-grave and maybe that's
>> her.  Except mine is a Margaret U Sylvia nee Pimentel (Flores).   I really
>> need her death certificate because I need a court order to release her
>> medical information and I have to have a birth and death date.and SS#.
>> I don't think she ever held a job as she had some "emotional" issues so I
>> don't think I'm going to get a SS#.  I also need a Bristol County lawyer to
>> generate the court order.  Everything is hanging on getting a death date.
>>
>> Thank you for your Azorean Wisdom!
>> CindyD
>>
>> On Monday, April 15, 2013 9:46:10 PM UTC-5, E Sharp wrote:
>>
>>>  There is a Margarida O. Sylvia but she was b. 1891 and died in 1979
>>> buried in St. Jude Section.
>>>
>>> The book is a little difficult to go through as I have to go page by
>>> page as it is sorted by section and then by surname.
>>>
>>> Also, by obtaining the exact date of death for Joseph from the cemetery,
>>> you can email the New Bedford Public Library and ask for an obituary.  I
>>> believe they now charge for this but it is minimal if memory serves me
>>> correctly.  Been a while since I ordered one from them.  In the meantime, I
>>> will check the Portuguese paper and see if I can find one there.
>>>
>>> "E"
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 6:31 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>>>
  There is another Joseph Sylvia buried in St. Anthony Section.  b.
 1875 d. 1942.  The previous one I sent was b. 1872 and died 1945 so I think
 this one is probably the one you are looking for.  Call the cemetery, be
 very nice, and ask them to look for his record.  They can give you exact
 date of his death, etc.  I will try to find his wife's record.  According
 to this record, there is no other name on the stone.

 "E"


 On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 6:24 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

>  St. John's Cemetery records are online at findagrave.com.  It does
> list Joseph b. 1875 d. 1942.  I have the SJ cemetery book.  Joseph is
> buried in St. Francis Section of St. John's.  He is buried with Virginia
> 1879-1951 and Angelina Barboza 1901-1946. Not sure if this is the right 
> one
> as no Margarida listed on stone.  On Findagrave.com you can request a 
> photo
> of the stones and most times you will receive one.  Hope this helps.
>
> "E"
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Mike  wrote:
>
>> this inccludes all the old Catholic cemeteries
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 15, 2013 9:27:34 PM UTC-4, Cindy D wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have the St John's Cemetery Book for a lookup. I'm
>>> desperate.
>>>
>>> Joseph Sylvia/Silvia/daSilva.  Should have died in 1942 according to
>>> family, born Dec 1875 in St Miguel.
>>>
>>> His wifeMargarita/Margaret/**Mar**garida Silvia/Sylvia  nee
>>> Pimentel, died 1939 born in Flores.
>>>
>>> If not, I had an address to someone I could write to at the cemetery
>>> but have mislaid it, does anyone have that information??
>>>
>>> CindyD
>>> Sylvia/Pimentel
>>>
>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vacation

[PatGirard]

George, I hope he'll be on the dock and not at the airport because we're 
arriving on a cruise ship! :)
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vacation

[PatGirard]

Celeste, Yes, your husband and I are 4th cousins through Margarida Jacinta 
> de Araujo  and Francisco de Faria as our common ancestors. Looking forward 
> to sharing info with you when I return. Unfortunately, I'll be there for 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Translation of Death Record for Miguel de Souza Ataide - Graciosa

[Kawika322]

If someone would be able to provide a full translation of the record it would 
be greatly appreciated. 

Eliseu, I will send the the jpeg of the original copy from the microfilm, 
however it is still fairly hard to read. 

Thanks, 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New Bedford St John's Cemetery Lookup Needed

[Pam Santos]

If you happen to come across a Joseph Silva born Mar 23.1874 let me know. I
am looking for this last brother's death who died between 1936-1943 in
Massachusettes


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Cindy D  wrote:

> Thanks ElaineI don't think this is my gal.  She may be listed under
> Margaret.  I did see a Margaret T Silvia at find-a-grave and maybe that's
> her.  Except mine is a Margaret U Sylvia nee Pimentel (Flores).   I really
> need her death certificate because I need a court order to release her
> medical information and I have to have a birth and death date.and SS#.
> I don't think she ever held a job as she had some "emotional" issues so I
> don't think I'm going to get a SS#.  I also need a Bristol County lawyer to
> generate the court order.  Everything is hanging on getting a death date.
>
> Thank you for your Azorean Wisdom!
> CindyD
>
> On Monday, April 15, 2013 9:46:10 PM UTC-5, E Sharp wrote:
>
>>  There is a Margarida O. Sylvia but she was b. 1891 and died in 1979
>> buried in St. Jude Section.
>>
>> The book is a little difficult to go through as I have to go page by page
>> as it is sorted by section and then by surname.
>>
>> Also, by obtaining the exact date of death for Joseph from the cemetery,
>> you can email the New Bedford Public Library and ask for an obituary.  I
>> believe they now charge for this but it is minimal if memory serves me
>> correctly.  Been a while since I ordered one from them.  In the meantime, I
>> will check the Portuguese paper and see if I can find one there.
>>
>> "E"
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 6:31 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>>
>>>  There is another Joseph Sylvia buried in St. Anthony Section.  b. 1875
>>> d. 1942.  The previous one I sent was b. 1872 and died 1945 so I think this
>>> one is probably the one you are looking for.  Call the cemetery, be very
>>> nice, and ask them to look for his record.  They can give you exact date of
>>> his death, etc.  I will try to find his wife's record.  According to this
>>> record, there is no other name on the stone.
>>>
>>> "E"
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 6:24 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>>>
  St. John's Cemetery records are online at findagrave.com.  It does
 list Joseph b. 1875 d. 1942.  I have the SJ cemetery book.  Joseph is
 buried in St. Francis Section of St. John's.  He is buried with Virginia
 1879-1951 and Angelina Barboza 1901-1946. Not sure if this is the right one
 as no Margarida listed on stone.  On Findagrave.com you can request a photo
 of the stones and most times you will receive one.  Hope this helps.

 "E"


 On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Mike  wrote:

> this inccludes all the old Catholic cemeteries
>
>
> On Monday, April 15, 2013 9:27:34 PM UTC-4, Cindy D wrote:
>
>>
>> Does anyone have the St John's Cemetery Book for a lookup. I'm
>> desperate.
>>
>> Joseph Sylvia/Silvia/daSilva.  Should have died in 1942 according to
>> family, born Dec 1875 in St Miguel.
>>
>> His wifeMargarita/Margaret/**Mar**garida Silvia/Sylvia  nee
>> Pimentel, died 1939 born in Flores.
>>
>> If not, I had an address to someone I could write to at the cemetery
>> but have mislaid it, does anyone have that information??
>>
>> CindyD
>> Sylvia/Pimentel
>>
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA Sale

[Cindy D]

 
Thanks for the tip.  I'm in.  Forked over for the 
FamilyFinder-MTDNAwe'll see who I'm connected to.  Or not.  I didn't 
associate with any group yet.  I hope I can do that later.  I did my dad 
(German) but did that a couple years ago at Ancestry.com and got nowhere 
with it. I'm glad to find some answers and helpers here.
 
CindyD
 

On Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:45:53 PM UTC-5, Richard Francis Pimentel 
wrote:

>  *Hi All,*
>
> * *
>
> *Family Tree DNA has just announced a sale in recognition of DNA Day 
> which will end on Monday April 22*
>
> * *
>
> *These are the best prices I have seen since I have been a 
> Co-Administrator and a great opportunity for you to get some DNA testing.*
>
> * *
>
> *Full MtDNA Sequence…. $189
> Upgrades to FMS….$129
> Y-DNA37 (new and add-on)…. $119
> Y-DNA67 (new and add-on)…. $199
> Y-DNA37 + Full MtDNA Sequence…. $308
> Y-DNA12 + FF…. $218
> Y-DNA37 + FF…. $288
> Y-DNA67 + FF…. $368
> Family Finder $169
> Family Finder + Full MtDNA Sequence…. $358
> SuperDNA….$388 (Y-67 + FMS) 
> Comprehensive DNA…. $557 (Y-67 + FMS + FF) *
>
> * *
>
> *All these tests can be ordered at Family tree DNA. Use this link to the 
> Azores DNA Project http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Azores/default.aspx If 
> you are already a member of the Azores DNA project then sign in using 
> Your Kit number and password of the test you want to upgrade. If you want a 
> new test for (Auntie Wilma) to take then use the join project button. *
>
> * *
>
> *This is a very short sale so you need to act fast. As far as I know 
> there will still be a summer sale but I do not think there will be as good 
> a pricing.*
>
> * *
>
> *I and the Co-Administrators are unpaid volunteers and receive no 
> compensation for our work with Family Tree DNA. We do this because we have 
> an interest in DNA testing and desire to help our fellow Azoreans with DNA 
> testing.*
>
> * *
>
> *If you have any questions about testing you can direct them to this list 
> of if you desire any of the Co-Administrators below.*
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> * *
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New Bedford St John's Cemetery Lookup Needed

[Cindy D]

Thanks ElaineI don't think this is my gal.  She may be listed under 
Margaret.  I did see a Margaret T Silvia at find-a-grave and maybe that's 
her.  Except mine is a Margaret U Sylvia nee Pimentel (Flores).   I really 
need her death certificate because I need a court order to release her 
medical information and I have to have a birth and death date.and SS#.  
I don't think she ever held a job as she had some "emotional" issues so I 
don't think I'm going to get a SS#.  I also need a Bristol County lawyer to 
generate the court order.  Everything is hanging on getting a death date. 
 
Thank you for your Azorean Wisdom!
CindyD
 
On Monday, April 15, 2013 9:46:10 PM UTC-5, E Sharp wrote:

>  There is a Margarida O. Sylvia but she was b. 1891 and died in 1979 
> buried in St. Jude Section.  
>  
> The book is a little difficult to go through as I have to go page by page 
> as it is sorted by section and then by surname.
>  
> Also, by obtaining the exact date of death for Joseph from the cemetery, 
> you can email the New Bedford Public Library and ask for an obituary.  I 
> believe they now charge for this but it is minimal if memory serves me 
> correctly.  Been a while since I ordered one from them.  In the meantime, I 
> will check the Portuguese paper and see if I can find one there.
>  
> "E"
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 6:31 PM, "E" Sharp 
> > wrote:
>
>>  There is another Joseph Sylvia buried in St. Anthony Section.  b. 1875 
>> d. 1942.  The previous one I sent was b. 1872 and died 1945 so I think this 
>> one is probably the one you are looking for.  Call the cemetery, be very 
>> nice, and ask them to look for his record.  They can give you exact date of 
>> his death, etc.  I will try to find his wife's record.  According to this 
>> record, there is no other name on the stone.
>>  
>> "E"
>>  
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 6:24 PM, "E" Sharp 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>  St. John's Cemetery records are online at findagrave.com.  It does 
>>> list Joseph b. 1875 d. 1942.  I have the SJ cemetery book.  Joseph is 
>>> buried in St. Francis Section of St. John's.  He is buried with Virginia 
>>> 1879-1951 and Angelina Barboza 1901-1946. Not sure if this is the right one 
>>> as no Margarida listed on stone.  On Findagrave.com you can request a photo 
>>> of the stones and most times you will receive one.  Hope this helps.
>>>  
>>> "E"
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Mike 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
 this inccludes all the old Catholic cemeteries 


 On Monday, April 15, 2013 9:27:34 PM UTC-4, Cindy D wrote:
  
>  
> Does anyone have the St John's Cemetery Book for a lookup. I'm 
> desperate.  
>  
> Joseph Sylvia/Silvia/daSilva.  Should have died in 1942 according to 
> family, born Dec 1875 in St Miguel.
>  
> His wifeMargarita/Margaret/**Margarida Silvia/Sylvia  nee 
> Pimentel, died 1939 born in Flores.
>  
> If not, I had an address to someone I could write to at the cemetery 
> but have mislaid it, does anyone have that information??
>  
> CindyD
> Sylvia/Pimentel
>  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New Bedford St John's Cemetery Lookup Needed

[Cindy D]

Thanks Elaine
 
I'm pretty sure this is my g-grandpa.  He is born 1875 for sure, and I 
think this is the only Joseph/Jose Silvia/Silva/Syvlia that showed an 1875 
birth.  So many Joes, so little time.  I have no clue when he died.  I was 
hoping to collect a death certificate but really need a death year to dig 
for that.  Whoever Virginia and Angelina are, I haven't a clue.  Or maybe 
this is a clue to family parts I don't know about.  I don't know much of 
anything about my Portuguese side.  I did see the posting of this on 
find-a-grave awhile back but I'm not SURE.  More than grave photo, I want 
death info.  
 
Can I write to St. John's for death info??  If I get a death date, then I 
can petition for a death certificatecan't I??
 
CindyD
 
 April 15, 2013 9:24:48 PM UTC-5, E Sharp wrote:

>  St. John's Cemetery records are online at findagrave.com.  It does list 
> Joseph b. 1875 d. 1942.  I have the SJ cemetery book.  Joseph is buried in 
> St. Francis Section of St. John's.  He is buried with Virginia 1879-1951 
> and Angelina Barboza 1901-1946. Not sure if this is the right one as no 
> Margarida listed on stone.  On Findagrave.com you can request a photo of 
> the stones and most times you will receive one.  Hope this helps.
>  
> "E"
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Mike  >wrote:
>
>> this inccludes all the old Catholic cemeteries 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 15, 2013 9:27:34 PM UTC-4, Cindy D wrote:
>>  
>>>  
>>> Does anyone have the St John's Cemetery Book for a lookup. I'm 
>>> desperate.  
>>>  
>>> Joseph Sylvia/Silvia/daSilva.  Should have died in 1942 according to 
>>> family, born Dec 1875 in St Miguel.
>>>  
>>> His wifeMargarita/Margaret/**Margarida Silvia/Sylvia  nee Pimentel, 
>>> died 1939 born in Flores.
>>>  
>>> If not, I had an address to someone I could write to at the cemetery but 
>>> have mislaid it, does anyone have that information??
>>>  
>>> CindyD
>>> Sylvia/Pimentel
>>>  
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Silveira Cardoso - Lajes do Pico (Jews?)

[John Raposo]

This subject continues to pluck on very sensitive strings. The historical 
documentation does not support a significant number of avowed (openly 
practicing, suspected of practicing, or known) Jews in the settlement or 
subsequent population of the Azores. You can look at all the historical 
research all you want, and you will not find evidence for much of a presence of 
Jews in any significant number  in the Azores. That being said, that does not 
mean that there were not Jews who were cryptic, i.e. secret Jews, who did not 
avow or practice their faith openly. We'll never know how many of those there 
might have been. 

I have never found the terms Converso or New Christian used in any vital record 
in the Azores.

And then there is the question of who is a Jew. The Jewish religion says that 
to be a Jew one's mother must have been a Jew (not your 10th 
great-grandmother), not your father.

So, who is a Jew?  Is it a Christian whose ancestors 500 years ago were Jewish? 
Not according to Jewish law. Judaism is a religion, not a race. Descendants of 
Abraham who are Moslems (e.g. the Arab people (who are Semites) who descend 
from Abraham's other son, Ishmael, or his descendants who are, Hindus, 
Christians, Budahists, or atheists are not Jews. 

All that having been said, genetic research does support a much higher 
proportion of Azoreans of Jewish origin than can be documented by the 
historical record. I myself can proudly claim one documented Jewish female 
ancestor in the early 16th century.   However, I am not a Jew.

As for Willem van der Hagen of Flanders, perhaps his ancestors were Jews. He 
himself was not as far as can be ascertained from the existing documentation. A 
converso totally unrelated to the man could have taken the name Silveira. That 
does not mean that all Silveiras are the descendants of Jews.

This whole subject and this insistence on Jewish roots continues to perplex and 
fascinate me. We are who we; no amount of wishful thinking can make it 
otherwise.

Thank you, Doug, for the additional information.

John Miranda Raposo  





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Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 1:00 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Silveira Cardoso - Lajes do Pico (Jews?)
 


This is such a reckless comment and should be viewed with contempt.

There is no mention of the specific family of Silveira Cardoso in Lajes do Pico 
being of Jewish origin.

All they say is that Silveira and Cardoso are names that were used by Jews when 
forced to convert.
Sure. They picked every name available, but it has no bearing on whether the 
specific family of Silveira Cardoso in Lajes just happened to be these same 
Jews. It's highly unlikely.

But put it to the test. Get some direct male descendant tested for Y-DNA and 
then you can put this to rest.

Now, let's look a little closer. Silveira in most of the Azores has it's 
origins in Willem van der Hagen of Flanders. Nobody ever hinted that he was a 
Jew. He was a nobleman and that almost by itself tells us he was not.

OK, so maybe someone forced to convert assumed this Silveira name. Well, that 
could happen, just as with any other surname. Same for Cardoso.

I have at this moment 24 males who used Silveira Cardoso and were married in 
Lajes do Pico.

Most have fathers with other names - not Silveira Cardoso. So to be clear, one 
must pick one of these and I don't know which ones they might pick.


Let's narrow it down to those born in the 1700s.
Two have a father using Silveira Machado.
Two have a father named Amaro Luis Pereira.
One has a father names Silveira da Silva.
One has an unknown father and was born in Ribeiras next door.
One has Silveira Armao.
One was a Capitao and surely of noble descent whose father was Silveira de 
Bettencourt, the Capitao-mor (highest military title available).
One has Pereira Cardoso.
One has Pereira Gigante.
Another is from Ribeiras and traces back to the 1600s with Cardoso da Silveira.

Chances are best that the reason there are many by this particular name 
combination is that both Silveira and Cardoso are revered names by reason of 
the noble family such as the above Capitao-mor.

If anyone wants to give me a specif person, I would be willing to look at that 
exact line and give the surnames of the father from the oldest known generation.

So until proven otherwise, the answer is "no" they are not Jews converted by 
force.

Yes, there are others from Pico who were. I mentioned my line from Faria 
tracing to a Vieira in Sao Mateus, Pico in the late 1500s with haplogroup J 
which indicates Middle Eastern DNA and could easily be of Jewish origins.

But I hate the tendency to pick a name rather than a specific person and say 
that name is of Jewish origin, unless you pick one that is ONLY Jewish, like 
Benarus or Cohen, etc.


Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA Sale

[Kathy Lee Dickey]

Thank you very much for the info...Kathy Lee


On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Kathy LD,
>
> Being a female and going after a great-ancestor line, you'd probably want
> the Family Finder test (autosomal DNA).
>
> All DNA tests for genealogy do NOT find living people per se.  They find
> common DNA between two people who descend from the same ancestor.  Most
> people in the Azores database are Americans, I have a few Canadians, a
> couple of people from the Azores, and one from New Zealand.  I don't
> remember the Madeira project having anyone from Madeira participating at
> this time.  However, the matching system will match you with EVERYONE in
> the FTDNA database who has taken the Family Finder test.
>
> In addition to the matches, you'll be able to see exactly on which
> chromosome you are matching someone and you'll also get information on your
> ancestral origins in the broad sense (European, Asian, African, Middle
> Eastern).  This is in Beta and is undergoing revision at this time.
>
> Let me know if you have further questions,
> Cheri Mello
> FTDNA Admin
> Azores (and Madeira) DNA Projects
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Silveira Cardoso - Lajes do Pico (Jews?)

[pico]

This is such a reckless comment and should be viewed with contempt.There is no mention of the specific family of Silveira Cardoso in Lajes do Pico being of Jewish origin.All they say is that Silveira and Cardoso are names that were used by Jews when forced to convert.Sure. They picked every name available, but it has no bearing on whether the specific family of Silveira Cardoso in Lajes just happened to be these same Jews. It's highly unlikely.But put it to the test. Get some direct male descendant tested for Y-DNA and then you can put this to rest.Now, let's look a little closer. Silveira in most of the Azores has it's origins in Willem van der Hagen of Flanders. Nobody ever hinted that he was a Jew. He was a nobleman and that almost by itself tells us he was not.OK, so maybe someone forced to convert assumed this Silveira name. Well, that could happen, just as with any other surname. Same for Cardoso.I have at this moment 24 males who used Silveira Cardoso and were married in Lajes do Pico.Most have fathers with other names - not Silveira Cardoso. So to be clear, one must pick one of these and I don't know which ones they might pick.Let's narrow it down to those born in the 1700s.Two have a father using Silveira Machado.Two have a father named Amaro Luis Pereira.One has a father names Silveira da Silva.One has an unknown father and was born in Ribeiras next door.One has Silveira Armao.One was a Capitao and surely of noble descent whose father was Silveira de Bettencourt, the Capitao-mor (highest military title available).One has Pereira Cardoso.One has Pereira Gigante.Another is from Ribeiras and traces back to the 1600s with Cardoso da Silveira.Chances are best that the reason there are many by this particular name combination is that both Silveira and Cardoso are revered names by reason of the noble family such as the above Capitao-mor.If anyone wants to give me a specif person, I would be willing to look at that exact line and give the surnames of the father from the oldest known generation.So until proven otherwise, the answer is "no" they are not Jews converted by force.Yes, there are others from Pico who were. I mentioned my line from Faria tracing to a Vieira in Sao Mateus, Pico in the late 1500s with haplogroup J which indicates Middle Eastern DNA and could easily be of Jewish origins.But I hate the tendency to pick a name rather than a specific person and say that name is of Jewish origin, unless you pick one that is ONLY Jewish, like Benarus or Cohen, etc.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pat Amaral: Stone Fleet and Conversos
From: eric edgar 
Date: Mon, April 22, 2013 9:07 am
To: Azores Genealogy 

David, This website has a source for the Silveira Cardoso converso backgroundhttp://www.sephardim.com/namelist.shtml?mode=form&from=S&to=S&Search=Search Silbeira y Cardoso- (23) From the book, "Secrecy and Deceit: The Religion of theCrypto-Jews", by David Gitlitz. The names of the Sephardim (and their residences) mentioned were, sometimes, involved with the inquisition. There were other names which are not listed here because the author did not identify those names as Sephardic.(~) Attached is page from that book. It only mentions the name once. On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 12:13 AM, David  wrote: When I started working on the family history as a teen in the '70s, I maintained for a while a lively correspondence with Pat Amaral, one of the leaders in establishing Portuguese-American genealogy.  I understand that she passed away some years ago. Pat informed me that my g'g'grandfather Antonio Hurd / António da Terra had served the Union during the Civil War, as a sailor in the Stone Fleet (sometimes called the "Great Stone Fleet").  (For those not familiar with this attempt to blockade Confederate harbors, here's an overview:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Fleet) I have combed through Union records (from during the period as well as later records regarding veterans and pensioners) but found no mention of my g'g'grandfather under any conceivable variant of his anglicized name or of his original Portuguese name.  I'm thinking that perhaps the sailors of the Stone Fleet were never formally enlisted in the Union Navy... I have my side of my correspondence with Pat in storage in a different city, but as I recall she didn't indicate what her source was.  Does anyone else here have an ancestor who (actually or allegedly) sailed with the Stone Fleet, and thus has familiarity with the relevant sources?  And/or does anyone know what Pat did with her source materials collection -- i.e., is it in a library somewhere, or otherwise accessible to researchers? She also insisted to me (again, iirc, without naming her source(s)) that certain of my families were of known Converso descent, e.g., Silveira Cardoso from Laje

[AZORES-Genealogy] The DNA Process (at Family Tree DNA)

[Cheri Mello]

Here's the details on the whole process of obtaining DNA.

Brand new orders:
When an order is placed for a brand new order (doesn't matter if it's
Y-DNA, mtDNA, or Family Finder), a kit will be mailed out to your home,
either that day or the next day.  Sometimes, though, the sales will add an
extra day to that, especially after a weekend, as no one is at FTDNA to
mail out kits on Saturdays and Sundays. (I just called and the customer
service representative says he doesn't know for sure, but he guesses about
2000 kits were sold at this sale!)

Because the kits are in a envelope about 5 inches x 7 inches (about 13 cm x
18 cm) with vials, swabs, and a padded return envelope, they take a little
longer to go through the postal service.  So they don't get there as fast a
regular envelope.  So depending on where you live, it may take a week to
reach you :(

Once you receive the kit, it's up to you as to when you swab (or have the
relative swab).  Then you mail it back to FTDNA in Houston, Texas.  Once
FTDNA receives your kit, they scan the bar code and an email is sent out to
you as well as the admins saying your kit has been received.

Your vials are batched and wait to be sent to the lab. Batches are
processed on Wednesdays at 5 pm Central Time.

The DNA process:
The DNA is first extracted, then sequenced, then it goes through quality
control where 2 lab techs must read it forwards, then backwards and then
their results are compared to each other.  If they don't agree, then they
must do it again.

Once the results are complete, they are uploaded to your DNA page. An
automated email is sent out at 8pm Central Time, stating that your results
are ready (so if they were uploaded at 12 noon and you log in at 2 pm,
you'll still see your results.  You just beat the automated email, is all).

For those who have already tested some DNA and ordered more markers or a
different type of DNA test:
Your vials are pulled the next business day and batched. Then the process
is the same as above.

Hope this overview gives more insight as to what goes on with your DNA!
Cheri Mello
Family Tree DNA Admin
Azores DNA project

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA Sale ends today at 11:59 CST.

[Kalani N]

Thanks for letting us know, because I ordered mine, I expect it to come in 
if not today, then within the next few days.  Thanks again!

K

On Monday, April 22, 2013 5:28:47 AM UTC-7, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:
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> *Good Morning All,*
>
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> on a regular basis today to answer your questions.*
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1854 baptismal record from Flores, plus Flores/Corvo and Faial questions

[Ralph Sellars]

Eric: 
 
Wow !  What a pleasant surprise !  
 
Thank you !!!  
 
You just moved my former brick wall back another full generation.  
 
Is the Flores history book you reference available in English?
 
I have been avoiding this last family line of mine since I started my family 
search back in 1982 or some 31years ago and all of a sudden with the help and 
encouragement of  the great people on this list I have moved my family line 
back three generations so far this month alone!
 
Thank you All

Ralph E. Sellars, Jr. 
E-Mail resj...@yahoo.com
 



From: eric edgar 
To: Azores Genealogy  
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1854 baptismal record from Flores, plus 
Flores/Corvo and Faial questions



Ralph,  

I have a  database of Cedros, Flores. My gg grandfather was from there. I don't 
have your Agostinho Jose, but I'll take a look around for him and get back to 
you.  


Eric Edgar

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese English dictionary

[Kalani N]

I'm excited for you Lorraine!  I wanted to go there for awhile but never 
made any effort.  Instead, been focusing on going back to brazil which I 
will next year again. :)

Kalani

On Saturday, April 20, 2013 11:34:30 AM UTC-7, Lorraine wrote:
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> Thank you, Tomas, for this excellent and complete answer, so much good 
> information, and to Kalani also for reminding me that though the Azoreans 
> may understand me, will I be able to understand them when they respond?  
> Most surely not!  I think I'll look for a good paper dictionary 
> (Portuguese/English not Brazilian/English) to have on hand to read signs, 
> menus etc.  I also appreciate being reminded that there will be different 
> dialects.  It will all be part of the adventure of the visit next month.
> Lorraine
>
> On Sunday, April 14, 2013 11:09:33 AM UTC-4, Lorraine wrote:
>>
>>  *There are several Portuguese/English dictionaries online.  Can anyone 
>> recommend a good one (easy to use) that will help me before and during my 
>> trip to the Azores in May?  I can speak some Spanish.  Will that help me be 
>> understood in Portuguese?  Thanks again.*
>>
>> *Lorraine*
>>  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA Sale

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, depending on the size of the batches, and the location of the testee's
vials, the "fun" should begin in 3-6 weeks!


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Sale ends today at 11:59 CST.

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Only the Sharp surname project is relevant.  There may be other projects
such as a location project such as Bristol County, MA. 

 

Rick

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Azores DNA Project

 

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fishsongf...@hotmail.com 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
"E" Sharp
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:48 AM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Sale ends today at 11:59 CST.

 

Thanks for the reminder, Rick.  I finally ordered my husband's DNA kit -
SHARP surname.  One question, I ordered the 37 marker for now.  I upgrade as
needed.  Should I have also joined my husband's maternal surname MCNEAL
project or would that not tell me anything since it is the maternal line?

 

"E"

 

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Good Morning All,

 

Just a reminder that the Family Tree DNA sale ends at 11:59 Central Time.
Orders must be placed by that time and paid. Any questions can be directed
to the Azores Project administrators. I will be checking this list on a
regular basis today to answer your questions.

 

Rick

Family Tree DNA Co-Administrator
Azores DNA Project

 

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All unpaid volunteers 

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Nancy Jean Baptista - fishsongf...@hotmail.com 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Sale ends today at 11:59 CST.

["E" Sharp]

Thanks for the reminder, Rick.  I finally ordered my husband's DNA kit -
SHARP surname.  One question, I ordered the 37 marker for now.  I upgrade
as needed.  Should I have also joined my husband's maternal surname MCNEAL
project or would that not tell me anything since it is the maternal line?

"E"


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 5:28 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *Good Morning All,*
>
> * *
>
> *Just a reminder that the Family Tree DNA sale ends at 11:59 Central
> Time. Orders must be placed by that time and paid. Any questions can be
> directed to the Azores Project administrators. I will be checking this list
> on a regular basis today to answer your questions.*
>
> * *
>
> *Rick***
>
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> Azores DNA Project***
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Sale ends today at 11:59 CST.

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Good Morning All,

 

Just a reminder that the Family Tree DNA sale ends at 11:59 Central Time.
Orders must be placed by that time and paid. Any questions can be directed
to the Azores Project administrators. I will be checking this list on a
regular basis today to answer your questions.

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Translation of Death Record for Miguel de Souza Ataide - Graciosa

[Eliseu Pacheco]

Hi,
I habe some sousa ataíde ancestors from Graciosa. Can you send me the original 
jpeg of the record you are attaching here? This way is very difficult to read 
it.

Thank you in advance.

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva


No dia 22/04/2013, às 06:51, Kawika322  escreveu:

> I was wondering if someone could help translate a death record of one of my 
> ancestors Miguel de Souza Ataide. I was able to get a moderate amount from 
> the record, but I know I am missing some of the other detailed info.
> I do not have any info on the parents of Miguel de Souza Ataide and was 
> hoping something in the record may give more info on him.
>  
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. Attached is the death record from 2 
> Mar 1764 in Luz, Graciosa.
>  
>   Thanks,
>  
>  David
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