Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva
Hi Bill, Sorry for posting the link to the Portuguese version. There was a 'You can select another displaying language among the following ones' text with lots of different flags allowing you to change the language at top. But you can also use the following, which will take you straight to the English version: http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=CEDROS;lang=en Regards, João On Sunday, September 1, 2013 10:01:17 PM UTC+2, DiG wrote: Bill, We met at the L-AGS meeting last month. I have a number of ancestors who were born in or lived in Cedros in the 17th and 18th century. Many migrated to Feteira from Cedros in the late 1600’s and early 1700’s. If you have a list of names, I can check to see if any match and send you what I have from the NEPS database. I even have some Fialhos—Bartolomeu Luis, Belchior and Maria, my 9h great grandfather, my 8th great grand uncle and my 11th great grandmother (on two sides of the family). Both of my maternal grandparents were descendants of Maria. Diane George (Silva) *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *fia...@comcast.netjavascript: *Sent:* Sunday, September 01, 2013 10:20 AM *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:; azo...@googlegroups.comjavascript: *Cc:* William Silver; William Silver *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva I live in Livermore near the Alden Lane Nursery, if that helps pinpoint me. I'd be interested to know what you have. Bill Silver -- *From: *Liz Migliori lizm...@gmail.com javascript: *To: *azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Sent: *Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:45:47 AM *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva Where in northern ca do u live. I might have the info u r seeking Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:43 AM, fia...@comcast.net javascript: wrote: I am looking for information about the book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, Parish of Santa Barbara 1628-1891 by Lionel P. Silva. My searches so far have identified one copy in the research library of the Univ of Mass but they don't distribute it as a loaner. I live in northern California and the trip would be a bit much for this old guy. Does anyone know of other copies that I might access? My father's family lived in the Salao/Cedros area during the 18th and 19th centuries, maybe even in the 17th. All suggestions would be much appreciated. Bill Silver (Fialho) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/1c1t3eau0fY/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Esteves/Steves
Just happened to have this on file. Just one way I have found Filho written. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 7:52 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Esteves/Steves Courtney L, Yes, you have to train your eye. The names are capitalized and never written lower case. For the time period you are researching, you will want to get all the siblings as well. It will help build your tree and connect to other researchers and it will help train your eye. If you are searching the 1880s, you will notice all the names about 1/4 or 1/3 of the way through the document. They will be preceded with the words filho legitimo or filha legitima. The thing with filho legitimo or filha legitima, is letter height. f,l,h in filho/a and the l,g,t in legitimo/a all stick up or down below the other letters. Many times they are quite slanted and somewhat flourishy (penmanship style of the period). This is kind of hard to explain in an email. When I get my scanner up, I'll send an image to this list of what I am trying to describe. When you get back to the middle of the 1800s, the names are right on the top. Then you have to wade through for the date. By then, you'll be real good at names. Good luck, Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. attachment: Portuguese_Paleography_F_filho_de_Francisca_de_Machado.jpg
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Esteves/Steves
Just to remember that there is one more resorce left: some native speakers willing to nelp... BUT just remember that they will help gladly and they are not willing to work for you ;) Eliseu Pacheco da Silva No dia 02/09/2013, às 00:43, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com escreveu: All romance languages have the adjective after the noun. The red flower becomes the flower red. The legitimate son becomes the son legitimate. In Spanish, I think it's hijo legítimo. In Portuguese, it's filho legitimo. You just change a couple of words around. There's a whole guide to picking apart the records. My little Google Shortener says I posted them 8 days ago and only 7 or 8 people looked at them. I know that out of the 1100 people on this list, the vast majority are NOT fluent and DON'T read Portuguese. But we learn to bumble our way through the records and read them. And many people learned how to read through this list or through classes taught by me, Rosemarie, Doug, and Joao Ventura, the archivist. Rosemarie, Doug, and I are NOT 100% Portuguese, but we learned. And I can completely blow away the native speakers at my Portuguese hall when I pull up the CCA site and start translating a record for them! Granted, I have a bit of an advantage being a former teacher who got to read a lot of bad penmanship! But with perserverance, it can be done. So for those who missed the links to reading the records, here they are again: goo.gl/dvL63b goo.gl/mBql3U Find your record. Pull what you can out of it. Post what you are reading and what you can't make out. Those people who do this get better responses to their posts than those who just say translate this. After some time, you will get the hang of it and will be helping others. And by-the-way, we have a number of retired people on our list who did not have a language requirement when they were in high school and they can read the records. So keep plugging away! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Esteves/Steves
Courtney,You found some distant cousins named Esteves.I don't think most people would care about such distant cousins enough to trace them, but if you want practice, it will lead to your own Esteves line once you get into the 1600s.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Esteves/Steves From: Courtney L courtneylui...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, September 01, 2013 9:33 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com I found one record that said Esteves here is the link http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1890-1899_item1/P237.htmlIm not positive if it is the right one or not.Thank youCourtney Luis -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Esteves/Steves/handwriting
Eileen, You have certainly come-a-long-way in just 3 years!! You are so right about everything, especially the cutting of words at the end of the line with no (-) to indicate anything! I’ll never forget my first look at a grandma Anna Machado. I THOUGHT it said Anna Machado of the villa (town) of Lobos because of the way the name was split. Come to find out her name was Anna Machado Villalobos!! It doesn’t help that some Priests don’t always capitalize a name, or at least it doesn’t look like it to me! So as you say, read carefully and keep an open mind. Jose especially can be Joze or Joseph and I have a Priest that loves to write Josepha as Jose pha so your wondering if he’s talking about a male or female!! Rosemarie From: Eileen Leite Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 8:31 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Esteves/Steves/handwriting There have been a lot of great tips shared for deciphering the handwriting in the records, thanks! After several years I still struggle every time a priest retires and the handwriting changes. Reading a new batch of records these past few weeks, I had some trouble, and returned to my reading old records roots. These tips may be useful if you are new at this: Before you start researching online, open up a Portuguese Paleography (handwriting) guide (available at Cheri and Rosemary’s wonderful website, and also at the Familysearch Portugal wiki) and a Portuguese numbers list in separate windows to have them available for reference. (You can google ‘Portuguese Paleography’ and ‘Portuguese numbers’.) Also a list of months if you are new. When you find a record online, be sure to save it and then rename it to reflect what it is. You can go back later when your skills have improved and find things you missed the first time. I always include the date as well as the person in the file name: ‘Baptism Jose Bento Daniel’ can be confusing if there end up being 3 Jose Bento Daniels! DO NOT assume the cursive you learned in your youth applies! In too many cases it will not. Letter shapes change though time and from priest to priest. What looks like one letter may be a totally different letter. A clear (to my eye) Capital ‘Y’ was in fact a Capital ‘S’. I was looking for da Silva, and almost missed this record because I thought I saw a “Y”. Plus, Silva was abbreviated to a capital ‘S’ with a superscript ‘a’. See attached if you’re curious. Right side, on top. The one with the Y in the margin, haha. Joze da Silva e Maria do Carmo. But this wonderful priest wrote the date in numbers, not words, so I love him. Re: abbreviations: it was the texting of its time. Shortening words became an art as they saved time, ink and paper. See ‘leg’ superscript ‘o’, after filho, fourth line of the attached record. (Record on top right, it starts immediately to the right of the ‘1848’ in the margin.) It is ‘legitimo’. “Filho legitimo”. Compare letters in unknown words with shapes in recognizable words on the same page. In the attached record, ‘Antonio de Santos’ appears in the middle of the left-hand page, confirming the “Y” shape is actually a capital “S”. Looking at surrounding records can also clarify dates. I first read the year on the attached record as 1843 – except the previous page shows clearly 1847, so I looked at the date again. It is 1848. Words may be arbitrarily split in the middle or run together, in the middle of the line or at the end. See ‘Ju nho’, first line to right of margin ‘1848’, top right record, in the attached. It’s one word, ‘Junho’ (June). In this time period the record starts with the date, so you are looking for a month’s name in the first line. if you have the list of months at your elbow, you can determine it. Spelling is not always what you expect. Jose may be Joze, my husband’s name Leite is sometimes spelled Leyte. Don’t skip past a record because you are looking for Jose Leite and it says Joze Leyte. Be of good cheer and do not be discouraged! Yyour eye adjusts and your ability increases as you do it. After years of effort, I still feel extremely inept at reading the records, but have found so many of my husband’s people. I’m the German/Irish side, his people come from Sao Miguel, Azores, but I have the genealogy ‘bug’ so I do the research. And the ability has come. Part of me feels that these people want to be found, and they want you to find and remember their children. They will help you. Also, be open-minded about names! After a thousand Marias and 300 Rosas, finding a ‘Laura’ or a ‘Michaelha’ can freeze your brain for a second. Haha. Eileen Leite Leite, Rebello, de Brum; Ponta Garca, Povocoao, and Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Esteves/Steves/handwriting
Correction: When Eileen Leite said: (available at Cheri and Rosemary’s wonderful website, and also at the Familysearch Portugal wiki) She meant Kathy Cardoza's Azores GenWeb site: goo.gl/HZoB3h Everything is there, mostly under Research Aids. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records question att. Courtney Luis Margaret Vicente
Hi Marcio, re Laura I didn't search for her record. Where are you looking? Margaret Vicente On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Marcio Borba marcioborba_ge...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi, I did some research and got to the same ancestors. Just one problem. I coudnt find Lauras birth record or any siblings!! Did you find it Margaret? Marcio Borba Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com -- *De:* Courtney L courtneylui...@yahoo.com *Para:* azores@googlegroups.com *Enviadas:* Sábado, 31 de Agosto de 2013 17:34 *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records question I can not thank you enough you don't know how much this means to my family thank you! Courtney Luis -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] How to Read Archive Baptismal Record?
My husband and I are going to Sao Miguel, Ponta Delgada next week to do geneology research on his grandfather Celestino Henrique Amaral who was born in Fernais da Luz March 17, 1880. He emigrated to the US as a teenager and married Mary Mello who is also supposed to be from Fernais de Luz. I have found the baptismal handwritten records for Fernais da Luz for that time period, but I can't read the year for each page. Where do I find the year on those baptismal book pages? Any suggestions? We will be going to the biblioteca municipal to visit the archive office in Ponta Delgada and would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks Bess and Al Amaral -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] In common with on DNA
Cheri- one question. I ran the not in common with filter with my mom's name, but I am pretty positive that some of those matches are from her side and not my dad's. are there other reasons why she and I might not match on some of the same people even if they are ultimately from her side? I know I read a reason for that once but can't quite remember. Elisabeth Sent from my iPhone -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Esteves/Steves
Thank you everyone for the great tips I am going through the records again I got so excited I thought I found it but it was Francisco Machado wait for it Silveira got my hopes up to soon haha but I will continue searching. Thank you Courtney -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Esteves/Steves
I just noticed Freguesia on the bar of words Ilha Concelho FreguesiaSérie Periodo what does that mean is there a certain thing that I should be searching from under there? Just curious so Im not going on a wild goose chase lol. Thank you Courtney Luis -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How to Read Archive Baptismal Record?
Bess A, It's all written out long hand. If you are lucky, the priest maybe wrote 1879 on top of the first record. If not, you will have to learn to read mil oitocentos sesenta e nove. The Word List is on the Azores GenWeb site that I just posted about. Under Research Aids. Here's the direct link: http://goo.gl/EcP2Ca Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Esteves/Steves
Ilha = Island Concelho = Council (like American counties) Freguesia = freguesia. It doesn't translate properly. It's the village. The organization can be found in my How To that I've posted. Here it is again: goo.gl/HXmQPB 30+ pages. You really need to read this. Over and over again, as there is a lot of information in it. If you have your freguesia (village) though, you only need the 2nd or the 3rd part. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva
Very good, Joao. I figured out the language issue and have started searching. By chance, do you a reference to the listing for Salao? My family transitioned from Cedros to Salao in the late 1700s. I have my grandfather's birth certificate but I'm having trouble pinning dow the birth and marriage of his parents. All the best, Bill - Original Message - From: João Ventura j...@venturas.org To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 1:01:08 AM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva Hi Bill, Sorry for posting the link to the Portuguese version. There was a 'You can select another displaying language among the following ones' text with lots of different flags allowing you to change the language at top. But you can also use the following, which will take you straight to the English version: http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=CEDROS;lang=en Regards, João On Sunday, September 1, 2013 10:01:17 PM UTC+2, DiG wrote: Bill, We met at the L-AGS meeting last month. I have a number of ancestors who were born in or lived in Cedros in the 17 th and 18 th century. Many migrated to Feteira from Cedros in the late 1600’s and early 1700’s. If you have a list of names, I can check to see if any match and send you what I have from the NEPS database. I even have some Fialhos—Bartolomeu Luis, Belchior and Maria, my 9 h great grandfather, my 8 th great grand uncle and my 11 th great grandmother (on two sides of the family). Both of my maternal grandparents were descendants of Maria. Diane George (Silva) From: azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto: azo...@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of fia...@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 10:20 AM To: azo...@googlegroups.com ; azo...@googlegroups.com Cc: William Silver; William Silver Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva I live in Livermore near the Alden Lane Nursery, if that helps pinpoint me. I'd be interested to know what you have. Bill Silver From: Liz Migliori lizm...@gmail.com To: azo...@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:45:47 AM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva Where in northern ca do u live. I might have the info u r seeking Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:43 AM, fia...@comcast.net wrote: blockquote I am looking for information about the book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, Parish of Santa Barbara 1628-1891 by Lionel P. Silva. My searches so far have identified one copy in the research library of the Univ of Mass but they don't distribute it as a loaner. I live in northern California and the trip would be a bit much for this old guy. Does anyone know of other copies that I might access? My father's family lived in the Salao/Cedros area during the 18th and 19th centuries, maybe even in the 17th. All suggestions would be much appreciated. Bill Silver (Fialho) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores . Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores . -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores . Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/1c1t3eau0fY/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores . -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores . Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva
Hi I live in Pleasant HIll. Perhaps we could meet somewhere that has wifi and I could help you look up as well as I have Cedros marriage data. On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 10:19 AM, fia...@comcast.net wrote: I live in Livermore near the Alden Lane Nursery, if that helps pinpoint me. I'd be interested to know what you have. Bill Silver -- *From: *Liz Migliori lizmi...@gmail.com *To: *azores@googlegroups.com *Sent: *Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:45:47 AM *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva Where in northern ca do u live. I might have the info u r seeking Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:43 AM, fia...@comcast.net wrote: I am looking for information about the book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, Parish of Santa Barbara 1628-1891 by Lionel P. Silva. My searches so far have identified one copy in the research library of the Univ of Mass but they don't distribute it as a loaner. I live in northern California and the trip would be a bit much for this old guy. Does anyone know of other copies that I might access? My father's family lived in the Salao/Cedros area during the 18th and 19th centuries, maybe even in the 17th. All suggestions would be much appreciated. Bill Silver (Fialho) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/1c1t3eau0fY/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva
Hi Bill, The Salão database (also by Helder Oliveira) is here: http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=SALAO;lang=en And before you start asking for all of the parishes in Faial, here's all the parishes indexed by that research group in Univ. Minho (ex-NEPS): http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias.html The problem is that with those databases and the online records, it (almost) spoils the fun of paging through hundreds of years of records. You'll have to wait a while for the 'Salão' records to be online, though. Regards, João On Monday, September 2, 2013 9:19:29 PM UTC+2, fia...@comcast.net wrote: Very good, Joao. I figured out the language issue and have started searching. By chance, do you a reference to the listing for Salao? My family transitioned from Cedros to Salao in the late 1700s. I have my grandfather's birth certificate but I'm having trouble pinning dow the birth and marriage of his parents. All the best, Bill -- *From: *João Ventura jo...@venturas.org javascript: *To: *azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Sent: *Monday, September 2, 2013 1:01:08 AM *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva Hi Bill, Sorry for posting the link to the Portuguese version. There was a 'You can select another displaying language among the following ones' text with lots of different flags allowing you to change the language at top. But you can also use the following, which will take you straight to the English version: http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=CEDROS;lang=en Regards, João On Sunday, September 1, 2013 10:01:17 PM UTC+2, DiG wrote: Bill, We met at the L-AGS meeting last month. I have a number of ancestors who were born in or lived in Cedros in the 17th and 18th century. Many migrated to Feteira from Cedros in the late 1600’s and early 1700’s. If you have a list of names, I can check to see if any match and send you what I have from the NEPS database. I even have some Fialhos—Bartolomeu Luis, Belchior and Maria, my 9h great grandfather, my 8th great grand uncle and my 11th great grandmother (on two sides of the family). Both of my maternal grandparents were descendants of Maria. Diane George (Silva) *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *fia...@comcast.net *Sent:* Sunday, September 01, 2013 10:20 AM *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com; azo...@googlegroups.com *Cc:* William Silver; William Silver *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva I live in Livermore near the Alden Lane Nursery, if that helps pinpoint me. I'd be interested to know what you have. Bill Silver -- *From: *Liz Migliori lizm...@gmail.com *To: *azo...@googlegroups.com *Sent: *Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:45:47 AM *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, etc. by L.P. Silva Where in northern ca do u live. I might have the info u r seeking Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:43 AM, fia...@comcast.net wrote: I am looking for information about the book Marriages of Cedros, Faial, Acores, Parish of Santa Barbara 1628-1891 by Lionel P. Silva. My searches so far have identified one copy in the research library of the Univ of Mass but they don't distribute it as a loaner. I live in northern California and the trip would be a bit much for this old guy. Does anyone know of other copies that I might access? My father's family lived in the Salao/Cedros area during the 18th and 19th centuries, maybe even in the 17th. All suggestions would be much appreciated. Bill Silver (Fialho) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Esteves/Steves
Courtney, Again, you need to READ this about how to trace your ancestors: goo.gl/HXmQPB You DID NOT find your ancestor's naturalization record. You found an index card. If you read the section on naturalization, you will see you need to order the naturalization packet from the USCIS. You will need to figure out which Francisco is yours coming into America. Since you were on the CCA site, reading the records of a particular freguesia, you should be concentrating on that freguesia. And that Francisco coming to America is yours. On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Courtney L courtneylui...@yahoo.com wrote: Wait that wouldn't make sense for it to be his cousin if they had the same name for their father hmm I don't really know then that is very weird here is the two passenger list if anyone can think of why their might be 2 Francisco Machado Esteves coming to the states both in June 1920. Do you guys think their parents would name them the same thing? Thank you Courtney Luis -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How to Read Archive Baptismal Record?
I live in Fenais da Luz. When you come if you want drop me a line and may be I can help you with the Biblioteca thing. Eliseu Pacheco da Silva No dia 02/09/2013, às 16:15, Bess Amaral bess.ama...@gmail.com escreveu: My husband and I are going to Sao Miguel, Ponta Delgada next week to do geneology research on his grandfather Celestino Henrique Amaral who was born in Fernais da Luz March 17, 1880. He emigrated to the US as a teenager and married Mary Mello who is also supposed to be from Fernais de Luz. I have found the baptismal handwritten records for Fernais da Luz for that time period, but I can't read the year for each page. Where do I find the year on those baptismal book pages? Any suggestions? We will be going to the biblioteca municipal to visit the archive office in Ponta Delgada and would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks Bess and Al Amaral -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder In Common With function
OK I guess I am just very dense. I do not know where to find the In Common
With section on FTDNA. I have confirmed several on the known relationship
page as Distant Cousins, but do not know where to go from there. I did ask
that 2 of them add a GEDCOM. One person, John E Machado, I can see where
the connection is in our families. The other 3 with GEDCOMs do not extend
far enough to make a connection. I will request that they add to their
pedigree.
Please help me understand the In Common With function. I have had a
cousin [not Azores side] test YDNA and I have done the FF.
Would it be any help if I have my mom's first cousin also test? They shared
grandparents on both sides of the paternal line. {1st cousins married]
Marilyn
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Susan,
It may have been Doug da Rocha Holmes who started a thread about In
Common With. But with the latest round of results, it doesn't hurt to
mention it again.
If I don't know the relationship, I assign Distant Cousin and then I can
run the filter for In Common With. They don't have to accept the
relationship in order for me to run the filter. FTDNA is supposed to
change this where we won't have to assign a relationship in order to run
the filter. We will just be able to to it. Don't know when this is coming
though. They told us last November at the conference and it hasn't
happened yet (they keep IT pretty busy).
For people who tested themselves and one parent (because the other is
deceased) can run the filter for Not In Common With to get the other side
of their tree.
Once you get 3 people confirmed from the same ancestor, you have done a
triangulation and you will start to see other matches hitting on the same
people. The puzzle pieces start to fit together and things start to make
sense. But it takes time. This is what will need to happen with you and
Joao C. Ventura.
Because there's more of us Azoreans than either Madeirans or Continentals
doing our genealogy and DNA testing, we are going to have more matches than
either the Madeirans or mainland Portugal. You've got the DNA Admins on
this list with megaphones shouting every time there's a match or sale!
It's not happening as much on the Madeira or Portugal lists. They need
some big mouths over there!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
Tainhas, Achada
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder In Common With function
Marilyn,
To use the function, you go to the family finder page and about a quarter of
the way down you see a section entitled Filter Matches By. In that section,
you can see a Relations section. In that section is a drop down menu that that
you get to by clicking on the down arrow. In that drop down menu, you can
select In Common With Anyone whom you have designated (or has designated you)
as a Known Relationship, will appear in the drop down menu under Member.
You select the member you are interested in and you will see all of the other
members who are In Common With that member. If you are interested in doing
more advanced matching, e.g. seeing who you match both in Mtdna and Family
Finder, go to the Family Finder tab and choose advanced matching. That will
allow you to choose which tests you wish to compare.
Good luck,
Melinda Lopes
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 17:40:11 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder In Common With function
From: mari...@jmtmlt.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
OK I guess I am just very dense. I do not know where to find the In Common
With section on FTDNA. I have confirmed several on the known relationship page
as Distant Cousins, but do not know where to go from there. I did ask that 2 of
them add a GEDCOM. One person, John E Machado, I can see where the connection
is in our families. The other 3 with GEDCOMs do not extend far enough to make a
connection. I will request that they add to their pedigree.
Please help me understand the In Common With function. I have had a cousin
[not Azores side] test YDNA and I have done the FF. Would it be any help if I
have my mom's first cousin also test? They shared grandparents on both sides of
the paternal line. {1st cousins married]
Marilyn
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Susan,
It may have been Doug da Rocha Holmes who started a thread about In Common
With. But with the latest round of results, it doesn't hurt to mention it
again.
If I don't know the relationship, I assign Distant Cousin and then I can run
the filter for In Common With. They don't have to accept the relationship in
order for me to run the filter. FTDNA is supposed to change this where we
won't have to assign a relationship in order to run the filter. We will just
be able to to it. Don't know when this is coming though. They told us last
November at the conference and it hasn't happened yet (they keep IT pretty
busy).
For people who tested themselves and one parent (because the other is deceased)
can run the filter for Not In Common With to get the other side of their tree.
Once you get 3 people confirmed from the same ancestor, you have done a
triangulation and you will start to see other matches hitting on the same
people. The puzzle pieces start to fit together and things start to make
sense. But it takes time. This is what will need to happen with you and Joao
C. Ventura.
Because there's more of us Azoreans than either Madeirans or Continentals doing
our genealogy and DNA testing, we are going to have more matches than either
the Madeirans or mainland Portugal. You've got the DNA Admins on this list
with megaphones shouting every time there's a match or sale! It's not
happening as much on the Madeira or Portugal lists. They need some big mouths
over there!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Trip - Cousins Found
Hello Everyone! I gathered some genealogical clues for my uncle who took a trip to the Azores. This is his story which he gave me permission to share. I thought everyone here on the list would enjoy it! It's inspiring me to plan my own trip!!! Lisa Caetano Harley Southern Cal Researching: Topo, Sao Antao and Ribeira Seca on Sao Jorge Piedade, Lajes do Pico on Pico Lisa, We had a great trip ! 13 days in Terceira visiting with Shirley's 7000 cousins and one day in Sao Jorge looking for any relatives I might find. I was concentrating on relatives of Isabella (on the Caetano side) since she stayed in Sao Jorge and the Descendants list you gave us had her husbands name and the names of her 5 children. We went to the Civil Registry office in Angra de Heroismo in Terceira because all of the records for the central group of Azorean Islands are now kept there and are fully computerized. However, since the data we were interested in was old , we could only get it in the Civil Registry in Calheta in Sao Jorge. They did call Calheta and they sent us some information (not much). Through some of the folks on Terceira who knew somebody who knew somebody in Sao Jorge , we arranged for a taxi driver who was originally from the Topo area and was old enough to possibly know many of the families in that area. We flew to Sao Jorge (Velas) , met our driver, Antonio, and took him for coffee at a small café to discuss what we wanted to do . At first, he didn't seem like a very outgoing guy and we were concerned that he wouldn't be as helpful or as interested as we might like to be able to accomplish our mission. He later proved us wrong ! He said that he knew some people in the Topo area with that name. Our first stop after that was the Civil Registry office in Calheta. There were two people working there and no other customers. It was slow at first when we asked for information but after a little bit (we showed them the 2 old family photos which I figured were from 1894 and 1914) they really got into it and were whipping out old tattered books and and getting pretty excited looking for Goncalves family information. They found information starting from Isabella's children down (4 of the five were deceased (no surprise there) and we ended up with some information about Isabella's grandchildren, and where they might live. At that point, our driver said that he thought he knew one of them. By that time, we had been there about 40 minutes to an hour or so. So we drove to Santo Antao (which looked like the end of the world to me) and our driver stopped at a small store (really small) to ask a guy he knew about the family. The road at the corner was Canada de Castanha mentioned in the death certificate for my great grandmother, Victorina. The man said that the house was still there but uninhabited. He also told us where to find one of Isabella's grandsons. We walked up the road and took a picture of the old, small house . There was a cow in front and I looked in the windows but couldn't see much but Shirley took some pictures. Then we went to the house where he said the grandson lived. In the Azores, they don't seem to have doorbells so you just stand outside and shout and hope somebody comes out so that's what the driver did and a guy looks out the window and comes outside. We explained who we were and we were looking for possible long-lost relatives. He was skeptical at first but then , after showing him some documents and the pictures of our great grandparents, he became interested. We talked to him at length and found out that he was Angelo Goncalves, son of Jose Silveira Goncalves , son of Isabel. He is 72 years old, but he looked young, like in his late 50s, a nice-looking guy, short and was friendly once we established our relationship. His wife had passed away and he lived with his son in a small but modern-looking house. As we were talking, his son came home for lunch – he is a bombeiro (fireman). He's a handsome-looking fellow, tall and dark and quite friendly also. His name is Antonio Goncalves. We took pictures and then Angelo told us where his sister Natalia lived up the road a piece. Went there, our driver Antonio shouted again at the door and Natalia appeared. Introduced ourselves and she too became immediately engaged – friendly and welcoming. She got out tons of family photos. Her husband was present – also very friendly. She told us about her two cousins who lived up the road a piece and we went to meet them also. In the meantime, because Antonio had expressed to her how interested I was to see the Faja de Alem, she phoned her son to arrange for him to take Roger down to the property. The Faja de Alem was where our great-grandfather lived when he died. (Note: There are several Fajas in Sao Jorge – these are small relatively flat areas below cliffs
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Esteves/Steves
Courtney, You didn't state if you found your Francisco's birth record. In case you didn't here is the link http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1890-1899_item1/P212.html Margaret Vicente On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Courtney, Again, you need to READ this about how to trace your ancestors: goo.gl/HXmQPB You DID NOT find your ancestor's naturalization record. You found an index card. If you read the section on naturalization, you will see you need to order the naturalization packet from the USCIS. You will need to figure out which Francisco is yours coming into America. Since you were on the CCA site, reading the records of a particular freguesia, you should be concentrating on that freguesia. And that Francisco coming to America is yours. On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Courtney L courtneylui...@yahoo.comwrote: Wait that wouldn't make sense for it to be his cousin if they had the same name for their father hmm I don't really know then that is very weird here is the two passenger list if anyone can think of why their might be 2 Francisco Machado Esteves coming to the states both in June 1920. Do you guys think their parents would name them the same thing? Thank you Courtney Luis -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Learning to read the records
On Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:04:55 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: In 1992 I took my first trip to Portugal, met my father's first cousin in Angra and he was astonished that I could read the records yet not converse in Portuguese. Natives are NOT likely able to read them, but if they were read aloud to them, I am sure they would get most of it. There are some archaic terms they won't get, but for use who know nothing else, it doesn't matter if they are new or old terms. They are simply the terms we see and must learn. And you will catch on with practice. My Brazilian friends were amazed and when I read some of the documents to 2 Portuguese guys to help me decipher some unreadable terms/words, they were dumbfounded at how much I could read. Reading the church records wasn't that difficult sometimes, but civil records were a pain! Luckily some of the verbage followed the church records to some extent. They couldn't read the document so I had to read it out loud and I told them that when I stop reading, they need to fill in the blanks, sort of speak. And they tried. And similar to Mary, I learned to read Portuguese, or rather learned the language. I hate it when Brazilians or Portuguese or anyone in general ask me WHY did I learn Portuguese. I always answer with, it's just a hobby. They never comprehend that. In reality, i learned it because I thought it would be useful to know when it came to doing my genealogy. That was about 23 years ago and only this past January I finally managed to come across, online of course, the Azorean records which allowed me to trace further, plus I had help from the 1940 census records which had me go back further in the other census records to where I got to the point of looking up records going back to the Azores. Now I even reading info. from not just Hawaiian newspapers in Hawaiian but also the Portuguese newspapers printed during the Hawaiian Kingdom era which are now available online as well. Very usefulto know the language! ;) K -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: To all you young researchers a tip
Good tip! I recently attended some workshops where they talked about boring organizing. But when I listened, I remembered of how I was so unorganized, didn't document all my sources nor with dates and many, many years later, it's bothering me. So the workshop on organizing would've come in handy for me had I known it back then. But i was old school, i spent about a week reading about genealogy and how to go about doing them before I actually started. I learned about how to write names, and dates and then read about the countries where my ancestors were from in order to understand a lot and know what to expect. Eventually I learned Portuguese as well which of course genealogy motivated me. That was about 23 years ago and I'm glad I went through that. Now, I'm very anal with documenting all my sources to where it takes me awhile to enter information for one person. But well worth it! K On Saturday, August 31, 2013 4:36:36 PM UTC-7, Pam Santos wrote: I was young when I first started doing genealogy, now that I am in my late 40's my memory is not what it use to be. So a suggestion is to document everything you find and don't assume you will remember it later!!! I am coming across NOW research that I did, and did not document and can't remember what I found and other researchers or now asking lol -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Esteves/Steves
Sorry Margaret I was going through the records but had to go help harvest so I was busy with that and had to stop and was just going to start going through them again but thank you so much for finding it. Thank you Courtney Luis -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Trip - Cousins Found
Wow, Lisa , what a great story! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: To all you young researchers a tip
One thing I am doing now is typing up all the stories my grandpa, dad, aunt and uncles are telling me because my grandpa told me he regrets not writing down any of the stories his mom or grandma told him. -Courtney -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Teixeira of Agua Retorta
Bill S, Fantastic, you got the transcription correct! I'm not sure of what the word in between (in the margin) is. Someone else will answer! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: To all you young researchers a tip
That is a good idea Courtney On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Courtney L courtneylui...@yahoo.com wrote: One thing I am doing now is typing up all the stories my grandpa, dad, aunt and uncles are telling me because my grandpa told me he regrets not writing down any of the stories his mom or grandma told him. -Courtney -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder Found
Hi All, Just had to share the excitement of finding another cousin on the Family Finder test! I am connected to Kathy Cardoza’s husband, Wayne Cardoza. We are 6th cousins once removed, now I hope to connect with Kathy when her FF comes through! It’s really funny that all of my connections are on my Grandmother’s side and not my Grandfather Souza’s side. I have a much more completed pedigree on the Souza side than my grandma’s side! Rosemarie -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder Found
Well, Rosemarie, I guess Family Finder is going to make you figure out that grandma's side! Fun, fun, fun! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
