RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA site error?

2013-10-20 Thread Hermano C. Pires
Just tried again for the upteenth time and finaly got in :)))
Hermano
 
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:51:17 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA site error?
From: pamsanto...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Yes I think Sao Jose records you can't access, I tried again on Firefox and got 
on for Relva and Ginetes

On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:

I will try that, I was able to access the list drop down yesterday once and 
then nothing after that. I tried my nephews computer too and he can not access 
it either. I deleted my cookies, history, and cache and deleted my IIS logs also



On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Nancy Couto  wrote:


I had not had problems with the site until just now, when I tried to access 
baptismos in Sao Jose, Ponta Delgada.  It appears that all, or most, of the Sao 
Jose records are inaccessible.  




I am able to get into Arrifes and Relva with no problem.  So it looks to me as 
if only some of the records are inaccessible.  I'm hoping this is a temporary 
situation.  And I'm also hoping that they add the remaining Ponta Delgada 
freguesias soon.




Pam, if you can't get into the site at all, you might try unplugging your 
router and modem and plugging them in again after about five minutes.


Nancy





On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:



I am on a PC, using Firefox, and I'm accessing it from California.  I just 
accessed baptisms in S.Miguel, Terceira, and Flores.  No problems, no errors.  
So it's not the CCA site.  Try clearing the cache, cookies, and whatever else.  
Try a different browser (Firefox is working for me).  The site is working.





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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA site error?

2013-10-20 Thread Pam Santos
Yes I think Sao Jose records you can't access, I tried again on Firefox and
got on for Relva and Ginetes


On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:

> I will try that, I was able to access the list drop down yesterday once
> and then nothing after that. I tried my nephews computer too and he can not
> access it either. I deleted my cookies, history, and cache and deleted my
> IIS logs also
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Nancy Couto  wrote:
>
>> I had not had problems with the site until just now, when I tried to
>> access baptismos in Sao Jose, Ponta Delgada.  It appears that all, or most,
>> of the Sao Jose records are inaccessible.
>>
>> I am able to get into Arrifes and Relva with no problem.  So it looks to
>> me as if only some of the records are inaccessible.  I'm hoping this is a
>> temporary situation.  And I'm also hoping that they add the remaining Ponta
>> Delgada freguesias soon.
>>
>> Pam, if you can't get into the site at all, you might try unplugging your
>> router and modem and plugging them in again after about five minutes.
>>
>> Nancy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> I am on a PC, using Firefox, and I'm accessing it from California.  I
>>> just accessed baptisms in S.Miguel, Terceira, and Flores.  No problems, no
>>> errors.  So it's not the CCA site.  Try clearing the cache, cookies, and
>>> whatever else.  Try a different browser (Firefox is working for me).  The
>>> site is working.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
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>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA site error?

2013-10-20 Thread Pam Santos
I will try that, I was able to access the list drop down yesterday once and
then nothing after that. I tried my nephews computer too and he can not
access it either. I deleted my cookies, history, and cache and deleted my
IIS logs also


On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Nancy Couto  wrote:

> I had not had problems with the site until just now, when I tried to
> access baptismos in Sao Jose, Ponta Delgada.  It appears that all, or most,
> of the Sao Jose records are inaccessible.
>
> I am able to get into Arrifes and Relva with no problem.  So it looks to
> me as if only some of the records are inaccessible.  I'm hoping this is a
> temporary situation.  And I'm also hoping that they add the remaining Ponta
> Delgada freguesias soon.
>
> Pam, if you can't get into the site at all, you might try unplugging your
> router and modem and plugging them in again after about five minutes.
>
> Nancy
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> I am on a PC, using Firefox, and I'm accessing it from California.  I
>> just accessed baptisms in S.Miguel, Terceira, and Flores.  No problems, no
>> errors.  So it's not the CCA site.  Try clearing the cache, cookies, and
>> whatever else.  Try a different browser (Firefox is working for me).  The
>> site is working.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA site error?

2013-10-20 Thread Nancy Couto
I had not had problems with the site until just now, when I tried to access
baptismos in Sao Jose, Ponta Delgada.  It appears that all, or most, of the
Sao Jose records are inaccessible.

I am able to get into Arrifes and Relva with no problem.  So it looks to me
as if only some of the records are inaccessible.  I'm hoping this is a
temporary situation.  And I'm also hoping that they add the remaining Ponta
Delgada freguesias soon.

Pam, if you can't get into the site at all, you might try unplugging your
router and modem and plugging them in again after about five minutes.

Nancy




On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I am on a PC, using Firefox, and I'm accessing it from California.  I just
> accessed baptisms in S.Miguel, Terceira, and Flores.  No problems, no
> errors.  So it's not the CCA site.  Try clearing the cache, cookies, and
> whatever else.  Try a different browser (Firefox is working for me).  The
> site is working.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestors from Corvo

2013-10-20 Thread Cheri Mello
Repost for Michael Hallstone, michael.hallstone at gmail.com

I stumbled upon this thread looking for Portuguese butcher shop near
Turlock, California.

My great grandparents  were originally from the small island of Corvo and
came to Central California in the early 1900s or so.  I've been to Corvo,
so trust me, my great grandparents did not immigrate to the US from that
tiny island because they were from the middle or upper classes.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA site error?

2013-10-20 Thread Cheri Mello
I am on a PC, using Firefox, and I'm accessing it from California.  I just
accessed baptisms in S.Miguel, Terceira, and Flores.  No problems, no
errors.  So it's not the CCA site.  Try clearing the cache, cookies, and
whatever else.  Try a different browser (Firefox is working for me).  The
site is working.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade

2013-10-20 Thread Pam Santos
Yeah me too


On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Edward Rodrigues <
edward.s.rodrig...@att.net> wrote:

> Pam
> no luck keep getting the same message 404 - File or directory not found.The
> resource you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed,
> or is temporarily unavailable.
> Edward
>
> On Oct 20, 2013, at 1:59 AM, Pam Santos wrote:
>
> Well if you can access it, I need San Jose, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel
> Obits before 1855. you will have to go into the actual records and send me
> the link then I can view them and thanks!!!
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Edward Rodrigues <
> edward.s.rodrig...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> Pam
>> which records would you like me to send links to
>> Edward
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2013, at 12:21 AM, Pam Santos wrote:
>>
>> I am still getting errors on CCA site, if you send a link to an record I
>> can view it.  But other than I have not been able to view records for 2
>> days now. and yes I am very familar with Culturacores site.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>>> Repost for Edward Rodrigues, edward.s.rodrigues at att.net
>>>
>>> Melinda, Hermano and Pam
>>> 1. do you know how to go on line to
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/default.aspx?serie=0&ilha=2&concelho=15
>>> 2. if you do I can give you instruction on how to go to different
>>> records that I found. they are all in Portuguese but you can still see the
>>> information.
>>> 3. If you want to call me, rather then do this on this site this offer
>>> goes to you Hermano and Pam too. Email me at edward.s.rodrigues at
>>> att.net and I will give you my phone number off list.
>>> 4. I can list the page number also for the records if you know how to
>>> transit the site.
>>> 5. I am still trying to make the connection to the your de Costa line
>>> and my De Costa line.
>>>  Edward
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA site error?

2013-10-20 Thread Pam Santos
I cant even get to the page where it gives you choice to pick other islands


On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 5:39 PM,  wrote:

> I've been on the site most of the day.  Was working fine. I was
> researching Terceira.  Could it be only Sao Miguel that's not working?
> Helen Salvador
> Fremont, CA
>  -Original Message-
> From: hmayer21 
> To: azores 
> Sent: Sat, Oct 19, 2013 8:11 pm
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA site error?
>
>   Hi Kathy, I am also getting the error message. Henrietta
>
>  *From:* Kathy Cardoza 
> *Sent:* Friday, October 18, 2013 12:47 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA site error?
>
>  Yes, I'm getting the error  on Mac's Safari  and Firefox and on
> Internet Explorer on Windows 7.
>  ~~~
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> http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
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> Climb my Family Tree:
> http://www.kathys-place.com/index.html
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>
>
>
>  On Oct 18, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>  and I accessed it with Firefox.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Joe Matias  wrote:
>
>> I just tried it now,with no error.Im using google chrome.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Pam Santos wrote:
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>>> Is anyone else getting an error message when accessing the site?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA site error?

2013-10-20 Thread hisalv

I've been on the site most of the day.  Was working fine. I was researching 
Terceira.  Could it be only Sao Miguel that's not working?
Helen Salvador
Fremont, CA


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA site error?




Hi Kathy, I am also getting the error message. Henrietta

 

From: Kathy Cardoza 
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 12:47 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA site error?

 
Yes, I'm getting the error  on Mac's Safari  and Firefox and on Internet 
Explorer on Windows 7.


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Climb my Family Tree:
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On Oct 18, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:


  
and I accessed it with Firefox.

  


  
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Joe Matias  wrote:
  

I just tried it now,with no error.Im using google chrome.






On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Pam Santos  wrote:

  
Is anyone else getting an error message when accessing the   site?
  
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Machado family ranch or the Markegard Ranch

2013-10-20 Thread rcapodc
Sorry!! I clicked on the wrong email—I’m really spaced today!  Rosemarie 

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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Machado family ranch or the Markegard Ranch

Um, Rosemarie, is this your high school reunion list?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade

2013-10-20 Thread Edward Rodrigues
Pam 
no luck keep getting the same message 
404 - File or directory not found.
The resource you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, 
or is temporarily unavailable.
Edward

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> Well if you can access it, I need San Jose, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel Obits 
> before 1855. you will have to go into the actual records and send me the link 
> then I can view them and thanks!!!
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Edward Rodrigues 
>  wrote:
> Pam 
> which records would you like me to send links to 
> Edward
> 
> On Oct 20, 2013, at 12:21 AM, Pam Santos wrote:
> 
>> I am still getting errors on CCA site, if you send a link to an record I can 
>> view it.  But other than I have not been able to view records for 2 days 
>> now. and yes I am very familar with Culturacores site.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> Repost for Edward Rodrigues, edward.s.rodrigues at att.net
>> 
>> Melinda, Hermano and Pam
>> 1. do you know how to go on line to
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/default.aspx?serie=0&ilha=2&concelho=15
>> 2. if you do I can give you instruction on how to go to different records 
>> that I found. they are all in Portuguese but you can still see the 
>> information.
>> 3. If you want to call me, rather then do this on this site this offer goes 
>> to you Hermano and Pam too. Email me at edward.s.rodrigues at att.net and I 
>> will give you my phone number off list.
>> 4. I can list the page number also for the records if you know how to 
>> transit the site.
>> 5. I am still trying to make the connection to the your de Costa line and my 
>> De Costa line.
>> Edward
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Machado family ranch or the Markegard Ranch

2013-10-20 Thread Cheri Mello
Um, Rosemarie, is this your high school reunion list?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Machado family ranch or the Markegard Ranch

2013-10-20 Thread rcapodc
OK, here are some more to add to the list Marilyn and for the rest of us. If 
you have more send them to “reply all” so that we all can keep an updated list: 

Chuck Woodson  chuckwood...@sunwoodentertainment.com
Joyce James  sherej...@comcas.net
Michele Woods   leau...@cox.net
Nancy Warfield   nklopst...@comcast.net (I had two oo’s in klopstock but I 
think it was a typo!)
Marsha Ninomiya   johnwillsmar...@att.net
Dave Meyer  quailg...@olypen.com
Gwen Taylor song4g...@yahoo.com
Helen Valledor hvalle...@farris.com
Joanne Revoir revo...@sbcglobal.net 

Rosemarie 



From: Cheri Mello 
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 2:21 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Machado family ranch or the Markegard Ranch

Repost for Julie Bettencourt Cliff, jbcliff at gmail.com

Mary and Celeste, 

The Machado family ranch belonged to my great grandparents, Serafin and 
Esperanza Machado, and later, my great-uncle, John Machado.  My grandmother was 
Mary Machado, the only daughter of Serafin and Esperanza.  I have many pictures 
of the old Machado Ranch in an old family album dating from the early 1900s.  
Also, it is possible to go visit the ranch even though it is no longer in the 
family.  It is now the Markegard Ranch.  They have "ranch days" about once a 
month where it is open to the public and you can go visit.  I went several 
months ago and saw the ranch for the first time in 40 years.  It was a very 
emotional experience.  While most of the outbuildings are gone, the house is 
still there and some smaller outbuildings.  Take a look at markegardfamily.com

Julie Bettencourt Cliff

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Machado family ranch or the Markegard Ranch

2013-10-20 Thread Cheri Mello
Repost for Julie Bettencourt Cliff, jbcliff at gmail.com

Mary and Celeste,

The Machado family ranch belonged to my great grandparents, Serafin and
Esperanza Machado, and later, my great-uncle, John Machado.  My grandmother
was Mary Machado, the only daughter of Serafin and Esperanza.  I have many
pictures of the old Machado Ranch in an old family album dating from the
early 1900s.  Also, it is possible to go visit the ranch even though it is
no longer in the family.  It is now the Markegard Ranch.  They have "ranch
days" about once a month where it is open to the public and you can go
visit.  I went several months ago and saw the ranch for the first time in
40 years.  It was a very emotional experience.  While most of the
outbuildings are gone, the house is still there and some smaller
outbuildings.  Take a look at markegardfamily.com

Julie Bettencourt Cliff

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tranlation help please - Antonio Silveira (d/Azevedo)

2013-10-20 Thread Shirley Allegre
This is how I read it:

Antonio and JoseTWINS
sons legitimate of (Francisco Silveira X Victoria Luiza), natives of
Senhora da Luz, place of Flamengos  (Faial)
DOB 22 June 1800
baptised  30th, sub conditions
GODPARENTS:
Jose Pereira Luis with his wife Laurianna Rosa
AND  Antonio Jose Dutra with daughter Rosa Fellicia;  he was married with 
Bernarda Fellicia.
TESTIMONY:
REVEREND THEOSORIO Jose Antonio de Aguiar
and Francisco Manoel da Silveira.

That is the best that I can do. Shirley in CA

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  Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 9:31 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tranlation help please - Antonio Silveira 
(d/Azevedo)


  Could someone please help with the document below? (record at the top left)

  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-B-1781-1804/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-B-1781-1804_item1/P179.html

  This is the baptismal record of Antonio Silveira d'Azevedo and his twin Jose; 
sons of Francisco SIlveira (also known as d'Azevedo per Antonio's marriage 
record)  and Victoria Luiza.

  That much I can decipher...the rest is a toughie for me; I can see what looks 
like Ignacio da Sil? da Luis (paternal grandparent?.and I can't even find 
the date (I know it's about 1802; but I'm not sure about that.

  I can also see several names further down in the record; but can't make out 
if these are the godparents or who?

  Any and all help, greatly appreciated.

  Lee


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with an Obitos - Laurianna Florida

2013-10-20 Thread Lee
Thank you Margaret and Cheri!
 
Cheri, I agree; way too many commas and I was sure it was all about her 
(which I should be) but was confused when they put the Pico information 
after her husband's name.  
 
Again, Thank you!

On Sunday, October 20, 2013 1:04:37 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

> Lee E,
>
> They were a little too comma crazy back then.  I don't know what modern 
> Portuguese is like in these records today, but if I wrote something with 
> that many commas in English, I'd have a lot of red marks on my paper and 
> probably sent to remedial English.  
>
> Laurianna Florinda, of the age of 74 years, worker domestic, widow of 
> Francisco Costa Duarte, native of the freguesia of Sao Matheus of the 
> island of Pico, council of Magdalena, of the same Diocese, daughter 
> legitimate of Francisco de Mattos, and of Joanna Ignacia, ja de functoS, 
> naturaeS of the same freguesia of Sao Matheus, blah blah blah
>
> Too many commas.  And you would think that the reference after the name 
> should refer to the last named person, but not all priests/scribes wrote 
> like that.
>
> I read it a couple of times.
>
> The "s" after Laurianna's parents are referring to both parents.  When 
> both parents are from the same freguesia, the notation is made after the 
> mother's name and has an "s" after it.  Laurianna's parents are from Pico.  
> Laurianna might be from Pico too.  I kinda think that's what the first 
> mention of S.Matheus refers to.  Even though this is one big paragraph with 
> a zillion commas, Laurianna is the subject and I think that the references 
> are all to her, even though they put the S.Matheus after Francisco's name.  
> They should have written (in my opinion) that Laurianna was 74, native of 
> S. Mateus, widow of Francisco, daughter of so and so  Then it would 
> have been crystal clear.
>
> Laurianna's marriage will state where she's from.  Check S.Mateus on Pico 
> and check the village Francisco is from.
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with an Obitos - Laurianna Florida

2013-10-20 Thread Cheri Mello
Lee E,

They were a little too comma crazy back then.  I don't know what modern
Portuguese is like in these records today, but if I wrote something with
that many commas in English, I'd have a lot of red marks on my paper and
probably sent to remedial English.

Laurianna Florinda, of the age of 74 years, worker domestic, widow of
Francisco Costa Duarte, native of the freguesia of Sao Matheus of the
island of Pico, council of Magdalena, of the same Diocese, daughter
legitimate of Francisco de Mattos, and of Joanna Ignacia, ja de functoS,
naturaeS of the same freguesia of Sao Matheus, blah blah blah

Too many commas.  And you would think that the reference after the name
should refer to the last named person, but not all priests/scribes wrote
like that.

I read it a couple of times.

The "s" after Laurianna's parents are referring to both parents.  When both
parents are from the same freguesia, the notation is made after the
mother's name and has an "s" after it.  Laurianna's parents are from Pico.
Laurianna might be from Pico too.  I kinda think that's what the first
mention of S.Matheus refers to.  Even though this is one big paragraph with
a zillion commas, Laurianna is the subject and I think that the references
are all to her, even though they put the S.Matheus after Francisco's name.
They should have written (in my opinion) that Laurianna was 74, native of
S. Mateus, widow of Francisco, daughter of so and so  Then it would
have been crystal clear.

Laurianna's marriage will state where she's from.  Check S.Mateus on Pico
and check the village Francisco is from.
Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Question - Match with different surname

2013-10-20 Thread Cheri Mello
Trevor C's questions/statements with response:

1) Y-DNA goes way back.
Yes. Father to son.

2) The lack of importance the Azoreans gave to surnames is one way the
names can end up being different, at the end of the day.  Also, when these
Y-DNA markers decided to show up, nations weren't, in general, using
surnames.  Thus your extended family could have been ascribed different
names, in different locales.

Well, I don't know if I'd call it lack of importance, but we do jump around
with our surnames.  And yes, Y-DNA was there long before the use of
surnames began somewhere in the Middle Ages, I believe.

3) I have never found a Y-DNA match that matches my surname. Supposedly, my
original surname is Fernandes.  Doesn't help me when my Y-DNA matches are
from1) the US (Weeks) ,2) Canary Islands (Rodriguez), and 3) Georgia,
Europe.  What's most important for me is that if I get a match, one day, I
should be able to trace father after fathers line to them.

Yes, and I KNOW I have male cousins not only with the name of Mello, but
DeMelo, Rose, Silva, Pine, and I can't remember what else.  These men are
all genetically Mello but wound up with different surnames.  And I'm
waiting for 37 or 67 marker matches with someone who is Portuguese.  Since
my dad is R1b, the lower level (12 and 25 marker) matches will be something
like Middle Ages or before.  My genealogy doesn't go back that far.  When
my dad's DNA gets the 37 or 67 marker matches, I should be able to trace
father after father to them.
(By-the-way, I have turned off my dad's 12 marker matches.  Being an R1b,
he has s many of them and since he has the most common R1b, these
matches are anthropological and I'm more interested in the genealogical).

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Question - Match with different surname

2013-10-20 Thread Cheri Mello
35 out of 37 is related.  A genetic distance of 2: http://goo.gl/Xt61e7
But 23 out of 25 is starting to fall apart.  And if you are haplogroup R1b,
then you only want to pay attention to your 37 and 67 marker matches.

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with an Obitos - Laurianna Florida

2013-10-20 Thread Margaret Vicente
Date: 16th day of November, 1868

You got it right re natural of Sao Matheus ilha do Pico, Concelho da
Magdalena etc..




On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Lee  wrote:

> This is the obitos is of Laurianna Florinda, widow of Francisco Garcia
> Duarte (bottom left)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-O-1865-1869/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-O-1865-1869_item1/P50.html
>
> I just need to verify that the I'm reading the date correct November 16,
> 1868?
>
> Also, immediately after her husband name is goes into natural of Sao
> Mattheus Ilhda da Pico, Concelho of Madalenda and the daughter of Manoel
> Ferreira? de Mattos and Joanna Ignacia,
>
> My questions - is the part about Pico referring to her?  (I'm pretty sure
> it is, just want to make sure I'm right); so, I'm now on to a third island
> with one family line.
>
> Thanks for any help, etc.
>
> Greatly appreciated.
>
> Lee
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with an Obitos - Laurianna Florida

2013-10-20 Thread Lee
This is the obitos is of Laurianna Florinda, widow of Francisco Garcia 
Duarte (bottom left)
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-O-1865-1869/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-O-1865-1869_item1/P50.html
 
I just need to verify that the I'm reading the date correct November 16, 
1868?
 
Also, immediately after her husband name is goes into natural of Sao 
Mattheus Ilhda da Pico, Concelho of Madalenda and the daughter of Manoel 
Ferreira? de Mattos and Joanna Ignacia,
 
My questions - is the part about Pico referring to her?  (I'm pretty sure 
it is, just want to make sure I'm right); so, I'm now on to a third island 
with one family line.
 
Thanks for any help, etc.
 
Greatly appreciated.
 
Lee

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tranlation help please - Antonio Silveira (d/Azevedo)

2013-10-20 Thread mances
Yes, the year is 1800.
Godparents: José Pereira Luiz and his wife Lauriana Rosa, and Antonio José 
Dutra and his daughter Rosa Felícia, married with Bernarda Felícia.

Manoel

Em domingo, 20 de outubro de 2013 02h45min59s UTC-2, Pam Santos escreveu:
>
> Born on 22 Jun for sure I think the year is 1800 Baptized on the 30 June. 
> godparents: Jose Pereira Luiz and Laurianna Rose?  and Antonio Jose Dutra 
> the rest not sure. But it does not list grandparetns
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Lee 
> > wrote:
>
>> Could someone please help with the document below? (record at the top 
>> left)
>>  
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-B-1781-1804/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-B-1781-1804_item1/P179.html
>>  
>> This is the baptismal record of Antonio Silveira d'Azevedo and his twin 
>> Jose; sons of Francisco SIlveira (also known as d'Azevedo per Antonio's 
>> marriage record)  and Victoria Luiza.
>>  
>> That much I can decipher...the rest is a toughie for me; I can see what 
>> looks like Ignacio da Sil? da Luis (paternal grandparent?.and I can't 
>> even find the date (I know it's about 1802; but I'm not sure about that.
>>  
>> I can also see several names further down in the record; but can't make 
>> out if these are the godparents or who?
>>  
>> Any and all help, greatly appreciated.
>>  
>> Lee
>>  
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Question - Match with different surname

2013-10-20 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel
Elaine I would not get too excited about this match. The two step match
means that two of the 37 do not match so this is more of an anthropological
match.  In other words the common ancestor could be more than 24 generations
back. The more step difference the further back you go. 

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
"E" Sharp
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 8:35 PM
To: azores
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Question - Match with different surname

 

We have a match, non-Azorean,  at 37 markers at 2 steps with a different
surname.  I believe at 2 steps there is some connection.  I also have 3
matches with the same surname one at 0 steps (both from same Generation),one
at 1 step, 1 at 2 steps (and this is the one I believe we are descended from
so I am still scratching my head).  Maybe because one tested is Generation 8
and the other Generation 9???  Nonetheless, I am also trying to figure out
why this different surname tested at 2 steps??

 

"E"

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade

2013-10-20 Thread Pam Santos
Well if you can access it, I need San Jose, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel Obits
before 1855. you will have to go into the actual records and send me the
link then I can view them and thanks!!!


On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Edward Rodrigues <
edward.s.rodrig...@att.net> wrote:

> Pam
> which records would you like me to send links to
> Edward
>
> On Oct 20, 2013, at 12:21 AM, Pam Santos wrote:
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> I am still getting errors on CCA site, if you send a link to an record I
> can view it.  But other than I have not been able to view records for 2
> days now. and yes I am very familar with Culturacores site.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
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>> Repost for Edward Rodrigues, edward.s.rodrigues at att.net
>>
>> Melinda, Hermano and Pam
>> 1. do you know how to go on line to
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/default.aspx?serie=0&ilha=2&concelho=15
>> 2. if you do I can give you instruction on how to go to different records
>> that I found. they are all in Portuguese but you can still see the
>> information.
>> 3. If you want to call me, rather then do this on this site this offer
>> goes to you Hermano and Pam too. Email me at edward.s.rodrigues at
>> att.net and I will give you my phone number off list.
>> 4. I can list the page number also for the records if you know how to
>> transit the site.
>> 5. I am still trying to make the connection to the your de Costa line and
>> my De Costa line.
>>  Edward
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